From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #290 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [bigmuff 80s hatecats ["Keith Astbury" hatecats) [MarkBursa@aol] Re: [idealcopy] OT Lord of the hippies [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [Paul Pietromonaco hatecats [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] O.T,please take a moment...... [Ari Britt hatecats [Ari Britt hatecats [Paul Pietromonaco ] RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats [Paul Pietromonaco ] RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [bigmuff 80s ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market well i know that if you have old cassette tapes you can clean them up to where they are almost(or are)digital. i've forgotten all the steps but he basically re-records the sole song. sometimes he has to slow the speed of the tape down as iit may have been a sped up recording. i.e. cassette tape. i know this because some extreme linux freak was telling me how he took like 10 steps to make them better quality than digital. i'm all for that but this guy was just nuts. he talked about linux program this, linux program that, etc etc. if i had him come on the list, you'd get lost on his linux knowledge. he used to remix old 80's electronic acts. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: [idealcopy] Any fans of "I start counting"?(syd barret?) Any fans of "I start counting"? I'm after the "lose him" single but i think i need the remix one. perhaps the 7" version? it has various samples from some strange movie and has some guy saying samples like, "anihilating rhythem". i've got like 2 12" remixes of the song but can't seem to get the right version. i think the choices left are the 7" and the original lp. btw if anyone wants these 12"'s let me know. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:16:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > Rear Window Shit. Forgot that one! > Can't think of a single Brit film which would keep company with these. Even so, I'm a sucker for Ealing comedies and stuff by the Boulting Bros. I should definitely have included The Laykillers in mine. > I didn't expect to be that impressed with the English list before I > started but on this evidence it's a great decade for Hollywood with > Hitchcock at his peak, Kubrick limbering up and some great directors > (Hawks, Ford, Welles) producing keynote work. What about Wilder! >This IS a golden age for animation >- Shrek, Toy Story 1 & 2, Monsters Inc, A Bug's Life and Chicken Run are >genuinely fine movies - masterpieces in the case of the first three. Yep, no argument here. TS 1&2 are particularly good. (And Antz!) >And I've not even seen Finding Nemo yet - or foreign contenders Spirited Away or Belleville Rendezvous. Spirited Away has had amazing reviews. 'Best animated film for year', and all that palaver. Doesn't seem to be getting much of a release though. > The Lord of the Rings trilogy stands as one of the great >achievements of epic cinema in any age. You really are doing yourself a >disservice not seeing this, Keith. I'd cut off my nose to spite my face! Even so, I saw a trailer for the first in the cinema and being a bit thick I didn't realise straight away what it was. And - without a word of a lie - I thought "What's this bollocks?!!" Still, I was quite prepared to go and see it but the rest of my family went without me, because they knew I'd sit there moaning, sighing, tutting, etc like a younger Victor Meldrew! >And outside the US there's all sorts of great stuff going on. Latin >America is in a boom time - anyone here would enjoy City of God, a >neon-burst of a movie I'm absolutely dying to see that. Believe it's out on video now so will rectify this... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:26 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market > Have you tried making an analogue recording from CD on a hifi CD Recorder > (not a computer)? I defy anyone to spot the difference. To be honest, I haven't tested the latest generation of CD Recorders this way. The last test I performed was with my Sony 75-ES DAT deck a few years ago. Its A/D and D/A converters seem to be pretty good - it was really hard to tell with this one. (^_^) Generally, I find the best way to do it is with double-blind listening tests. Just listen to the "air" around the instruments - frequency response differences will be negligible between the two units. Usually, the analog copy will not quite have the same "space". It'll sound good - very good - but not quite as "alive". It's easier to hear when the equipment is high-end - preferably studio quality (or better!) amps and speakers. Also - pick classical music or carefully mic'd jazz - plucked strings are really good for this. It's almost impossible to hear with pop/rock/electronica due to all of the studio processing and compression. Also - make sure your ears aren't tired. Your ability to distinguish the sources will degrade with "listening fatigue". Make sure the volume levels are precisely matched - you'll subconsiously pick the louder one as sounding "better". And, you still may not be able to tell, depending on the quality of the CD Recorder. (^_^) If you don't have this high level of recording gear, and you really want to hear it, copy from CD to CD via the analog jacks a few generations - say 50 times. That will really exaggerate the distortions the A/D and D/A converters are introducing into the audio. (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Just for the record, I was president of the Pacific Northwest Audio Society for a year - we used to do stuff like this for "fun". (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:56:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Brit Cinema (was lovecats <-> hatecats) > >>I agree re the excellence of A Matter of Life and Death, Mark, but isn't > it 1946? That's extending the 50s too far! << Only in as much as it's definitely "post-war" rather than "pre-war". Decades don't really start at the beginning, do they. The '60s didn't begin till 1963, and carried on until 1971. The '80s started in 1979, etc. History will probably judge this decade to have started on Sept 11 2001. > >>My fave Powell / Pressburger is the profoundly odd A Canterbury Tale > which, if people haven't seen it, is a warped retooling of Chaucer, set > in 1944 mostly in a Kent village where the 'glue-man' is pouring glue > into the hair of girls who walk out with US servicemen. But it's mainly > a film about Englishness under pressure and the need for everyone to > have a moment of grace even in difficult times. If I had to choose one > film to show people about England it would be this - the scenes in the > summer fields above Canterbury sum up some idyllic notion of this > country for me. Great moments throughout - a cut from a medieval > kestrel to a Spitfire presaging Kubrick's even more audacious cut in > 2001, the dark of the black-out as the Glue-man does his work, the > natural appearance of a halo around a character's head at just the right > time, the long scene of organ-playing in Canterbury Cathedral. Great > film - one of the few I've bought on DVD.<< Never seen it - I've never even seen it on sale for that matter... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Lord of the hippies > >>Even so, I saw a trailer for the first in the cinema and being a bit > thick I > didn't realise straight away what it was. And - without a word of a lie - I > thought "What's this bollocks?!!"<< > > Have to say I'm with Keith A on this one. Never cared for anything to do > with elves, goblins, wizards and such like, and I'm quite prepared to dismiss > the lot of it as old bollocks, regardles of whatever artistic merit it may > have (not just Tolkien, which I've hated since I read half of the Hobbit at > school before giving up in boredom, but dungeons & dragons type games, > computerised or otherwise and frankly anything else of that ilk). Rather like prog, > there are some things where it's just easier to keep a closed mind! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:10:14 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market Hiya! (^_^) > well i know that if you have old cassette tapes you can clean > them up to where they are almost(or are)digital. i've > forgotten all the steps but he basically re-records the sole > song. sometimes he has to slow the speed of the tape down as > iit may have been a sped up recording. i.e. cassette tape. > Hmm - let's clarify some terms here, okay? Whenever you record a cassette on your computer - that would be a transfer to digital, or what is known as digitization. What you're really saying is that you can digitize old cassette tapes, and process them to near CD quality - or better. However - it's not quite as straightforward as it sounds. You can certainly eliminate tape hiss, and extend frequency response, but you can't make a "silk purse out of a sow's ear", as they say. Tape hiss elimination, for instance, also changes tonal characteristics of instruments. Extending Frequency Response, to make up for tape loss, introduces tape hiss. Careful signal processing can benefit really bad sounding tapes, but good sounding tapes may be better left alone. Once noise has been added into an analog system - say by recording it on cassette tape - it's really, really, really REALLY hard to take it back out without changing the original characteristics of the signal. > i know this because some extreme linux freak was telling me > how he took like 10 steps to make them better quality than > digital. i'm all for that but this guy was just nuts. I agree with the nuts part. (^_-) > > he talked about linux program this, linux program that, etc > etc. if i had him come on the list, you'd get lost on his > linux knowledge. > I doubt it - I run Linux on my PlayStation 2, and managed to port Mozilla: http://playstation2-linux.com/projects/mozilla-ps2 We should probably spare the rest of the list my "Extreme Linux" techniques, though. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market .Have you tried making an analogue recording from CD on a hifi CD Recorder (not a computer). I defy anyone to spot the difference.< Mark My point exactly........so long as the connecting 'leads' are of a high quality I defy anyone to tell the difference..........Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:20:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats In a message dated 9/29/03 6:49:14 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >This IS a golden age for animation > >- Shrek, Toy Story 1 &2, Monsters Inc, A Bug's Life and Chicken Run are > >genuinely fine movies - masterpieces in the case of the first three. > > Bah! the finest in animation are without a doubt; Jan Svankmajer and the Quay Brothers.....Svankmajer's "Alice" and the Quay's "Street of Crocodiles" are wonderous.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T,please take a moment...... The Breast Cancer site is having trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to meet their quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an underprivileged woman. > It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on "donating a mammogram" for free (pink window in the middle). This doesn't cost you a thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily visits to donate mammogram in exchange for advertising. > Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know. > http://www.thebreastcancersite.com >Please tell ten friends to tell ten today! Thanks, The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats and so is Ice Age........ The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:28:08 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > Spirited Away has had amazing reviews. 'Best animated film > for year', and > all that palaver. Doesn't seem to be getting much of a release though. > Well, it's also the number one box office film of all time.... ...in Japan! (^_^) The number 2 film in Japan is Titanic, BTW. The third is another Miyazaki movie - Princess Mononoke. There are some awards here: http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/sen/credits.html Okay - I better stop. I'm a huge anime fanatic: http://www.weasel-bot.com/anime/ and, that's out of date! (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Where do you think the (^_^) comes from, anyway? (^_-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:32:17 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > Spirited Away has had amazing reviews. 'Best animated film > for year', and > all that palaver. Doesn't seem to be getting much of a release though. > Oh yeah - I forgot - I wrote a review: http://www.animefu.com/index.pl?node_id=8458 Cheers, P-anime ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market yes this is exactly what i'm talking about. however if we are to look into the context of a brand-new anti-pirate cd and then transfer to c. tape and then back to the computer, i doubt you'd lose much. the point is, there's really no way they can win in the battle of piracy. Paul Pietromonaco wrote: Hiya! (^_^) > well i know that if you have old cassette tapes you can clean > them up to where they are almost(or are)digital. i've > forgotten all the steps but he basically re-records the sole > song. sometimes he has to slow the speed of the tape down as > iit may have been a sped up recording. i.e. cassette tape. > Hmm - let's clarify some terms here, okay? Whenever you record a cassette on your computer - that would be a transfer to digital, or what is known as digitization. What you're really saying is that you can digitize old cassette tapes, and process them to near CD quality - or better. However - it's not quite as straightforward as it sounds. You can certainly eliminate tape hiss, and extend frequency response, but you can't make a "silk purse out of a sow's ear", as they say. Tape hiss elimination, for instance, also changes tonal characteristics of instruments. Extending Frequency Response, to make up for tape loss, introduces tape hiss. Careful signal processing can benefit really bad sounding tapes, but good sounding tapes may be better left alone. Once noise has been added into an analog system - say by recording it on cassette tape - it's really, really, really REALLY hard to take it back out without changing the original characteristics of the signal. > i know this because some extreme linux freak was telling me > how he took like 10 steps to make them better quality than > digital. i'm all for that but this guy was just nuts. I agree with the nuts part. (^_-) > > he talked about linux program this, linux program that, etc > etc. if i had him come on the list, you'd get lost on his > linux knowledge. > I doubt it - I run Linux on my PlayStation 2, and managed to port Mozilla: http://playstation2-linux.com/projects/mozilla-ps2 We should probably spare the rest of the list my "Extreme Linux" techniques, though. (^_^) Cheers, Paul The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:34:17 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market Hiya! > yes this is exactly what i'm talking about. Yay! > however if we are to look into the context of a > brand-new anti-pirate cd and then transfer to c. > tape and then back to the computer, i doubt you'd lose much. Well, actually, a transfer from CD to cassette back to CD would lose quite a bit. (^_^) What you'd want to do is just play the CD in your stand-alone CD player, and re-digitize it with the analog "Line-In" inputs on your computer. If you have an audio workstation card for your computer - with balanced inputs, say - all the better. I got my Audio Workstation Card for $99.00, and it sounds great. (^_^) > the point is, there's really no way they can win in the > battle of piracy. Especially with such non-functional copy protection. (^_^) I tried the disc in my newer CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drives at home. Unlike the old CD-ROM at work which was completely fooled, my Sony CD-Writer and my Toshiba DVD-ROM drive were able to digitally extract every song but the first song. And, my new Pioneer DVD-Writer was able to digitally extract them all. And, this wasn't even from Linux - I did this from Windows! What's the point of that, except to annoy normal consumers? Cheers, Paul P.S. In case you're wondering, the disc is the latest by Delerium - titled "Chimera". It's the Canadian edition - the U.S. isn't Copy Protected with this system - as far as I know. And, no - I won't distribute copies of this disc. The digital extraction was done completely for educational purposes. P.P.S. The bit-reduced Windows Media versions of the songs on this CD are pretty terrible, BTW. They're 48 kbps, from what I remember. That's not even decent MP3 quality, although they are about the right size for my portable MP3/WMA player. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: RE: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market >Well, actually, a transfer from CD to cassette back to CD would lose quite a bit. (^_^) well personally i don't think it would. i've tried it with a non anti-pirate one and it sounds fine to me. imo it's not that "much" different. although i usually transfer discis via my analog setting on my burner. >this wasn't even from Linux - I did this from Windows! oh yes you can do this on windows or linux, it's just that the person i knew prefered linux >P.S. In case you're wondering, the disc is the latest by Delerium - titled "Chimera". It's the Canadian edition - ugh this is one of the worst cd's i believe i've ever heard. this is rhy's fulber from front line assembly correct? i actually know rhy's quite well but this is one of his worst trance type projects. utter rubbish The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:13:04 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Lord of the hippies In a message dated 30/09/2003 01:07:41 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > regardles of whatever artistic merit it may > >have (not just Tolkien, which I've hated since I read half of the Hobbit at > > >school before giving up in boredom, but dungeons &dragons type games, > >computerised or otherwise and frankly anything else of that ilk). Rather > like prog, > >there are some things where it's just easier to keep a closed mind! > > Mark > Remember all those awful Prog album covers & heavy metal covers.Would those have put you off Tolkien type stuff in a sub conscious way ? That Roger Dean has a lot to answer for.... what with Yes & Greenslade & Budgie (one for Keith A there ) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:27:06 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies > and I've never rated the Italians. You mean like ALL of them?? Not particularly liking Rosselini and De Sica's neo-realism is one thing but Fellini, Visconti and Pasolini made such wonderfull classics. Can't think of a 50's "foreign" top 10 list without at least 4 Italian films myself. I must add though I like their 60's outlets better. Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #290 *******************************