From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #289 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] ot green eyed loco man [Alistair Tear hatecats [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Re: Tolkien [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Akatombo reviewed here ["Bill Hick" ] RE: [idealcopy] Tolkien [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Akatombo reviewed here ["Keith Astbury" hatecats ["Keith Astbur] Re: [idealcopy] Minimal Metal ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [bigmuff 80s hatecats ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats ["Keith Knight" hatecats) [MarkBursa@aol] Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT Brit Cinema (was lovecats <-> hatecats) ["Keith Knight] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:23:19 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] ot green eyed loco man Stand back! something takes shape in the swirling mist...it's.... the first sighting of the new FAll lp www.playlouder.com/news/+hothemightyfall/> ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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The Creature From The Black Lagoon was the ultimate Universal monster film and Julie Adams looked quite good in the white swimsuit. I read a cool interview on the Classic Horror website with Ben Chapman, the actor who wore the creature costume, where he took shots at today's actors and how movies are about the actors nowadays instead of about the stories. He was especially unforgiving towards Britany Spears. Jason Now Playing: Television - Marquee Moon (reissue) _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:16:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies > Well, two off the top of me 'ed > > Night of the Hunter - Charles Laughton 1955 Isn't it weird it was Laughton's first and only movie? I would love to have seen more. Truely great and haunting piece of work. > Touch of Evil - Orson Welles 1958 Come to think of it, this probably is a better choice than "my" Compulsion. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tolkien how can it be 'hippy' shit when it was written in the 40's........and what's wrong with hippies? I was one myself 'till punk woke me up.........Ari Keith Astbury wrote:> >but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien connections on principle ; ) > Why not ar kid? Hippy shit! The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market Not having one on hand it's hard to tell,but I would think that if one recorded the trax to a stand alone Hi-Fi c.d burner from the analogue mode one should be able to make copies,anyway I understand the technology is meant to become active when attempting to 'share' over the net.....?Ari bigmuff 80s wrote:can't you just play one of these cds and record it through a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/24/03 11:19:51 AM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=711&e=9&u=/usatoday/ 20030923/tc_usatoday/11865096 and the cost of developing these litle wonders will, no doubt, be passed along to us consumers...or can the industry still see their way to lower cd prices? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:23:22 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Anarchy in Middle Earth >> Hippy shit! > how can it be 'hippy' shit when it was written in the 40's........and what's > wrong with hippies? I was one myself 'till punk woke me up.........Ari So now and again you want to go back to sleep Ari? ;-) Of course it's hippie-shit, but I loved reading it (3 times) as a teen. Though uncomparible with the books I must say I liked the films. It was kinda weird the hippies embraced LOTR for Tolkien himself was from one of them, in fact he loathed his popularity amongst them. He was an ultra catholic rightwinger and his books are all really sexless (something Seamus Cullen made quite a funny and horny parody on with his Astra & Flondrix). Where James Joyce created contemporary mythology (Dubliners and Finnegan's Wake), Tolkien merely tried to blend and re-create old northern european myths (and did a pretty good job I might add). http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=450636&item=334199 It's like I read online somewhere: "Smack his little Bilbo punk hobbit ass down. Gotta keep these freaks in line". Peace, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:10:50 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Minimal Metal Metal Urbain is being discussed on the Faust list. I thought some of you might be intersetd in this message... Crazy guys, crazy music. By a great friend of mine, I know & have met Eric Debris, the leader-machine-player-singer of Metal Urbain. In a month or two, the entire collection of Metal Urbain (that means, the entire Metal Urbain plus the entire titles from Metal Boys and from Dr Mix and the Remix, 2 bands with quite the same line-up) will be released in France, on 2 or 3 CDs. So, Andy, don't be desperate! Metal Urbain is back now, they'll play in my town, Rennes, in a festival, on the 5th December, along with Minimal Compact. For you guys : I can tell you when the Metal Urbain stuff is getting released in France. I'll be cheaper to have it in France than in Japan, I think. The only guy that remains in Metal Urbain from the beginning is Eric Debris. The two guitarists (they were brothers) retired from music years ago, the other machine player is now a studio engineer. But I think the new band will be a fucking good band. For Andy : the double LP "Les hommes morts sont dangereux" is really very hard to find (I had a crappy K7 copy and lost it, what a shame). I see it from time to time in second hand record shops in France, but much too expensive!! More easy to find, I think, can be the CD "L'bge d'or de Metal Urbain", it was released in 1993, a very good and complete anthology, with live tracks ; I think there was a release on CD of the first Dr Mix too (a real excellent album, with the noisiest covers I've heard from "Brand New Cadillac" and "No Fun"). Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:17:55 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Akatombo reviewed here http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv06i38.html Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:13:29 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Tolkien "My people were fair & had sky in their hair but now they're content to wear stars on their brows" Marc 'hippyshit' Bolan 8-/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] > Sent: 29 September 2003 07:55 > To: Ari Britt; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Tolkien > > > > >but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien > connections on principle > ; ) > > > Why not ar kid? > > Hippy shit! > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:06:49 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market > can't you just play one of these cds and record it through > a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? They're very interesting. I have one from Canada, where they've been used for quite some time now. In one CD drive, the whole disc is incorrectly identified as a data disc, and the tracks are un-rippable. In another CD drive, only track one is a data track, and the rest are completely rippable. You are correct about recording the disc analog, of course - there is no analog copy protection. Still, that would introduce some distortion... (^_^) I'm still examining the disc. It's kinda fun to study it. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:32:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien >how can it be 'hippy' shit when it was written in the 40's........and what's wrong with hippies? I was one myself 'till punk >woke me up.........Ari > "My people were fair > & had sky in their hair > but now they're content > to wear stars on their brows" > > Marc 'hippyshit' Bolan 8-/ Mummy. The nasty hippy dudes are ganging up on me. What happened to all that love & peace shit, fella's ; ) K. np Wire - eardrum buzz ep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:28:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Akatombo reviewed here Subject: [idealcopy] Akatombo reviewed here > http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv06i38.html I rate this album too. One of the tracks you can hear at Brainwashed (Humid) is one of my faves on the LP, but the track I've been playing loads this last week is Overheat. Reminiscent of Seven Songs era 23 Skidoo, and very, very good. Keith. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:01:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: 50's sci-fi, was lovecats <-> hatecats > anyone care to name 10 favorite films of the 50's? Not sure about a definitive list but here's a few off I like... The Asphalt Jungle, The Seven Year Itch, Some Like It Hot, The Killing, The Night of the Hunter, Big Heat, Sweet Smell of Success, DOA, Big Combo, Harvey, Vertigo, East of Eden, On the Waterfront, The Glenn Miller Story, (I know it's corny, but I like it!) Stalag 17, North by Northwest, Beat the Devil, and of course, Sunset Boulevarde. > true, they're among my all time faves too, but my filmmaking college friends > were referring to "quality" films, or let's just call them "the ones that got > the critical acclaim and/or awards" in the 50's. Did a spot of googling last night and came across some list of award winning movies from the 50's. Not my choices by any means, but no worse than Titanic winning all those oscars a few years back! As David Niven said in The Moon's A Balloon (the greatest movie star autobiography EVER?) about his Oscar win... I won because it was my turn. How else can anyone explain why Paul Newman won one for The Colour of Money and not The Hustler, Cool Hand Luke or...well just about any other of his films for that matter. > it gets to be slim pickins in > the u.s.a. for sure, and they'd say that a large percentage of the "great" > films of that time came from a handful of directors. I actually think that's the case now more than ever. Keith PS Who's this other Peter Lorre guy I came acros when googling. Appeared in a 1986 film called Bloody Mary apparently... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:19:31 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Minimal Metal infinite thanks for that, graeme -- truly excellent news. only a few hours ago i was searching musicstack.com in vain to see if the older reissue cds mentioned below were anywhere to be had. i'm lucky enough to have picked up the dr mix lp used back in the early '80s & the metal urbain lp (mine came with a 7" but isn't a double ... was that version perhaps peculiar to france?) about 5 years ago, but the metal boys stuff has persistently eluded me. *highly* recommended. dan >Metal Urbain is being discussed on the Faust list. >I thought some of you might be intersetd in this message... > > >Crazy guys, crazy music. >By a great friend of mine, I know & have met Eric Debris, the >leader-machine-player-singer of Metal Urbain. >In a month or two, the entire collection of Metal Urbain (that means, >the entire Metal Urbain plus the entire titles from Metal Boys and from >Dr Mix and the Remix, 2 bands with quite the same line-up) will be >released in France, on 2 or 3 CDs. So, Andy, don't be desperate! >Metal Urbain is back now, they'll play in my town, Rennes, in a >festival, on the 5th December, along with Minimal Compact. >For you guys : I can tell you when the Metal Urbain stuff is getting >released in France. I'll be cheaper to have it in France than in Japan, >I think. >The only guy that remains in Metal Urbain from the beginning is Eric >Debris. The two guitarists (they were brothers) retired from music years >ago, the other machine player is now a studio engineer. >But I think the new band will be a fucking good band. >For Andy : the double LP "Les hommes morts sont dangereux" is really >very hard to find (I had a crappy K7 copy and lost it, what a shame). I >see it from time to time in second hand record shops in France, but much >too expensive!! More easy to find, I think, can be the CD "L'bge d'or de >Metal >Urbain", it was released in 1993, a very good and complete anthology, >with live tracks ; I think there was a release on CD of the first Dr Mix >too (a real excellent album, with the noisiest covers I've heard from >"Brand New Cadillac" and "No Fun"). > > > > >Scupper the Destroyer! >http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:20:36 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien "dark they were, & golden-eyed" - --ray "groooovy man" bradbury dan >"My people were fair >& had sky in their hair >but now they're content >to wear stars on their brows" > >Marc 'hippyshit' Bolan 8-/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] >> Sent: 29 September 2003 07:55 >> To: Ari Britt; idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: [idealcopy] Tolkien >> >> >> > >but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien >> connections on principle >> ; ) >> >> > Why not ar kid? >> >> Hippy shit! >> >************************************************************************* >The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. 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Ari Britt wrote: Not having one on hand it's hard to tell,but I would think that if one recorded the trax to a stand alone Hi-Fi c.d burner from the analogue mode one should be able to make copies,anyway I understand the technology is meant to become active when attempting to 'share' over the net.....?Ari bigmuff 80s wrote:can't you just play one of these cds and record it through a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/24/03 11:19:51 AM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=711&e=9&u=/usatoday/ 20030923/tc_usatoday/11865096 and the cost of developing these litle wonders will, no doubt, be passed along to us consumers...or can the industry still see their way to lower cd prices? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:45:42 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Minimal Metal > >>infinite thanks for that, graeme -- truly excellent news. only a few > hours > ago i was searching musicstack.com in vain to see if the older reissue cds > mentioned below were anywhere to be had. i'm lucky enough to have picked up > the dr mix lp used back in the early '80s &the metal urbain lp (mine came > with a 7" but isn't a double ... was that version perhaps peculiar to > france?) about 5 years ago, but the metal boys stuff has persistently eluded > me.<< > > Ah. Meant to tell you about this a couple of months ago. Merde. While on holiday in France I happened upon a magazine called (wait for it) Punk Rawk. In > French, of course. Mainly seemed to feature crappy big shorts US punk of > the post-Blink182 variety, but contained a 2-page feature on the Urbain - and a > seemingly new track recorded this year that sounds, well, like Metal > Urbain.. > > Pretty cool dudes actually. Three original members, not one as reported - > Eric Debris (the main man in all three incarnations of the band); Hermann > Schwartz (co-writer of Paris Maquis among others) and Charles "Charlie H" Hurbier > (co-writer of nearly all the Metal Boys stuff but seemingly peripheral to the > Metal Urbain stuff). From what I can gather Debris is "Dr Mix" and DJs under > that name. Missing in action is Pat Luger (co-writer of much of the Urbain stuff) as well as some of the peripheral members. Where are you now, Clode Panik? Zip Zinc? Rikky Darling? And best of all, Miss O.D.? > > The reformation is of all three bands (all with the same line-up of > Debris/Schwartz/Hurbier). All three albums are being reissued as double CDs > (including a modern remix of the Dr Mix & the Remix!). And there will be new albums > for all three bands. > > And here's the link to the label. It's in French, but you all paid attention in class didn't you ;-) http://www.seventeenrecords.com/ Discography & lyrics here http://membres.lycos.fr/fourdu/metalu.html It says they're playing the Transmusicale in Rennes on December 5 "apres un tournee Americaine" So Dan, they may yet make it to Alabama. Fasciste!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market i record my music in "analog" mode on cd all the time and it's still nearly perfect even if i don't mess with the mixer all that much. i could see losing a bit but this may still be a good way to beat these anti-recording fools. unless people are all, oh my god it's not a digital signal! no......!!!! even when you record in analog though, you can go into cleaning up software via linux and make the sound digital again. i had a guy explain this to me. he had been taking old cassete tapes and completely cleaning them up via these linux programs. he'd make the signal better than it was before. that's for the anal though i guess? Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > can't you just play one of these cds and record it through > a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? They're very interesting. I have one from Canada, where they've been used for quite some time now. In one CD drive, the whole disc is incorrectly identified as a data disc, and the tracks are un-rippable. In another CD drive, only track one is a data track, and the rest are completely rippable. You are correct about recording the disc analog, of course - there is no analog copy protection. Still, that would introduce some distortion... (^_^) I'm still examining the disc. It's kinda fun to study it. (^_^) Cheers, Paul The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:49:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market > >>right which is why in analog mode it would defeat the digital signal and > any blocking?<< > You can copy in analogue mode to a hifi burner without any problems. You just have to manually set the record levels and add the track idents or else you get one long piece of music. Exactly the same process as if you are copying from vinyl or tape. The only problem would be if your CD player doesn't recognise the copy protected CD! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:00:55 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats Off the top of my head and in no order: English language Rio Bravo Night of the Hunter The Searchers Singin' in the Rain (Donald O'Connor RIP) Paths of Glory Touch of Evil Vertigo Kiss Me Deadly Rear Window The Killing Can't think of a single Brit film which would keep company with these. Foreign language Seven Samurai Ordet A Bout de Souffle Les Quatre Cents Coups Tokyo Story Ugetsu Monogatari Throne of Blood Sansho Dayu Smiles of a Summer Night Les Enfants du Paradis I didn't expect to be that impressed with the English list before I started but on this evidence it's a great decade for Hollywood with Hitchcock at his peak, Kubrick limbering up and some great directors (Hawks, Ford, Welles) producing keynote work. Foreign cinema isn't as great as I would have thought in advance conversely - Bergman was better in the 60s, it's too early for most New Wave and I've never rated the Italians. As someone born in the 50s this is a much more standard list than equivalents for later decades would be - they'd include stuff which wowed me at the time like Zulu, Mad Max 2, Assault on Precinct 13. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com anyone care to name 10 favorite films of the 50's? i bet there'll be a few directors whose films overwhelm most of our collected choices. it'd be interesting to see what unique favorites may lie among them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market how do you 'examine' a c.d?/there would be harly any distortion if high quality interconnects were used and the volume wasn't too high.........A Paul Pietromonaco wrote:> can't you just play one of these cds and record it through > a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? They're very interesting. I have one from Canada, where they've been used for quite some time now. In one CD drive, the whole disc is incorrectly identified as a data disc, and the tracks are un-rippable. In another CD drive, only track one is a data track, and the rest are completely rippable. You are correct about recording the disc analog, of course - there is no analog copy protection. Still, that would introduce some distortion... (^_^) I'm still examining the disc. It's kinda fun to study it. (^_^) Cheers, Paul The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien Keith Astbury wrote: >how can it be 'hippy' shit when it was written in the 40's........and what's wrong with hippies? I was one myself 'till punk >woke me up.........Ari > "My people were fair > & had sky in their hair > but now they're content > to wear stars on their brows" > > Marc 'hippyshit' Bolan 8-/ Mummy. The nasty hippy dudes are ganging up on me. What happened to all that love & peace shit, fella's ; ) K. (that was a con),when I was a hippy i used to roll the BIGGEST joints and go mug people with them and take their dope,now stop complaining and hand over your money.Ari np Wire - eardrum buzz ep The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:54:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury And whilst my blanket statement was obviously tongue-in-cheek, there's a lot of truth in it. I read an article about Tarantino in the Kill Bill build-up, and the writer said that when QT burst onto the scene, he had made movies matter again, and wondered who's gonna do it again. This was a film critic saying this. There's obviously good movies being made, I just don't get to see many of them - About Schmitd was an exception (Jack 'acted'!), 8 Mile was a genuine surprise, and I saw a really interesting film In The Bedroom (Sissy Spacek, Tom Wilkinson) on TV recently. But it's hardly a golden age, it it. The last Matrix movie was, like yer average blockbuster nowadays, bollocks! (this wasn't always the case. I could still watch The Towering Inferno for example!). As for Lord of the Rings.... Sorry Ari, and I know this will sound hypocritical from someone who loves his Tyrannosaurus Rex albums, but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien connections on principle ; ) Keith - --------------------- I'd agree that it's by no means a golden age for mainstream US fare and that most of what is churned out by the major studios is now avoidable bollocks. But there are exceptions. This IS a golden age for animation - - Shrek, Toy Story 1 & 2, Monsters Inc, A Bug's Life and Chicken Run are genuinely fine movies - masterpieces in the case of the first three. And I've not even seen Finding Nemo yet - or foreign contenders Spirited Away or Belleville Rendezvous. US indie cinema is also still capable of churning out something decent and we do have Tarantino to thank for that in part. And big-budget cinema can still deliver - Pirates of the Caribbean is a film I will enjoy watching for the rest of my life as is X-Men 2, while The Lord of the Rings trilogy stands as one of the great achievements of epic cinema in any age. You really are doing yourself a disservice not seeing this, Keith. And outside the US there's all sorts of great stuff going on. Latin America is in a boom time - anyone here would enjoy City of God, a neon-burst of a movie - Mexican cinema is especially strong at the moment. In the Far East there are any number of fascinating filmmakers - - Wong Kar-wai, Edward Yang, Takeshi Kitano, Takashi Miike... Iran still produces half a dozen great films a year from the likes of Kiarostami, Panahi and the Makhmalbaf family. And Europe still has many great working filmmakers - Rohmer, Godard, Rivette, Loach, Haneke, Medem, von Triers, Vinterberg, Kaurismaki, Winterbottom, Erice, Moretti, the Dardenne Brothers, Denis... Plenty to seek out if you know where to look. It's just that you need Film Four, BBC4, and access to an 'art cinema'. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:05:34 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien (Middle Earth Exposed) > > "My people were fair > > & had sky in their hair > > but now they're content > > to wear stars on their brows" > Mummy. The nasty hippy dudes are ganging up on me. > > What happened to all that love & peace shit, fella's ; ) Yeah, but most of you folks have never been to Bloemfontein either! ;) Bart would forgive the spelling if I said, "soutpiel", but for the benefit of the rest, literally translated, it means: someone who stands with a foot in Europe, the other foot in Africa, and you can figure out the rest... G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:14:30 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cyclic amp (was:Minimal Metal) in a somewhat similar (at least, perhaps, for liverpool) vein, i was delighted just now to take delivery from a liverpudlian seller of my order for cyclic amp's people of the book lp & ugly as power & concrete island 12"s ... ... only to discover since typing the above words that the people sleeve contains a 2nd copy of the ugly 12", with no trace of the actual lp to be found. pray cthulhu they have copies of the actual album in stock, or i'll ... i'll ... i'll be godawfully disappointed. seems like my mention of these guys a year or more ago brought an email from a listmember who worked with a former amp-er, or something like that. i'm wondering, since web searches divulge no such info, whether these 3 records constitute their discography (which certainly deserves release in cd form, in case anyone is taking notes). all i know them by is a cassette that a friend of mine put out on his "entertainment tapes" (i think) label back in '87 or so, called "happy endings." my copy is avoiding me (as are my cassette of the cabs' mix-up, the ramones' animal boy lp, the essential sun rockabilly vol 2 cd, brian lumley's the burrowers beneath, the pet shop boys' bilingual cd, ad probably infinitum), & i cleverly neglected to write the titles on the dub i made some 15 years ago, but from the track listings on the records i suspect the tape contains nothing on them. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:52:45 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market Not that any of you asked for this, but here's my 2 cents! (^_^) > you can go into cleaning up software via linux and make the sound digital again. Um, well, not exactly. (^_^) See, the thing about analog sound is that whenever you record analog, you make changes to the signal. Usually, this is in the form of added noise & distortion. By recording it on your computer, you're re-digitizing the signal - and all of the noise and distortion the analog conversion step added to the sound. In other words, if you examined the bits on the original CD, then the bits you got from the analog outputs of the CD Player re-digitized, they wouldn't match at all. (^_^) You really can't remove analog artifacts once they are added - it's best to try to avoid them in the first place, or add them in a controlled way - say as an artistic effect. An example of this would be a recording studio using an analog multitrack. You would do this for the extra warmth and sound an artist could be looking for. Analog tape demagnetizes over time, though, distorting the sound further, so you're gonna want to transfer to digital to "snapshot" the sound you're hearing. Once it's digital, you can copy it as much as you want, and no added distortions or noise will be added to the signal. As far as digital processing of analog cassettes go, my theory is that you shouldn't add any post processing once you've digitized the cassette. You're much better off trying to calibrate the cassette deck as best you can to get the most from the analog signal recorded on the cassette. This generally involves adjusting the cassette deck's head azimuth to extract as much analog signal as possible. If the cassette was recorded on half-way decent tape, and your Dolby. circuits are half-way calibrated, the results can be stunning. I do the same with vinyl, BTW. IMHO, what's there is there - it doesn't need any digital "goosing". (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Or is that "Goosens"? (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:30:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Brit Cinema (was lovecats <-> hatecats) > Can't think of a single Brit film which would keep company with these. Brit cinema in the 50s was focused heavily on wartine epics and various stiff-upper-lipped tales of derring-do, of which Bridge on the River Kwai is probably the most impressive. Generally they films are based on true stories like the Dam Busters or Reach for the Sky. On top of that you had warm-hearted Ealing Comedies like the Man in the White Suit, and by the end of the decade I'd guess the gritty, realistic stuff like Room at the Top starts to kick in. Really a '60s genre though. If you extend the '50s back into the late '40s (ie post-war Brit Cinema, pre-60s) I'd say A Matter of Life and Death is more than the equal of anything made in Hollywood in the same period. Probably my favourite film of all time. Only Hitchcock can compete with the inventive genius of Powell & Pressburger. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:37:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market > By recording it on your computer, you're re-digitizing the > signal - and all of the noise and distortion the analog conversion step > added to the sound Have you tried making an analogue recording from CD on a hifi CD Recorder (not a computer). I defy anyone to spot the difference. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:32:33 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT Brit Cinema (was lovecats <-> hatecats) I agree re the excellence of A Matter of Life and Death, Mark, but isn't it 1946? That's extending the 50s too far! My fave Powell / Pressburger is the profoundly odd A Canterbury Tale which, if people haven't seen it, is a warped retooling of Chaucer, set in 1944 mostly in a Kent village where the 'glue-man' is pouring glue into the hair of girls who walk out with US servicemen. But it's mainly a film about Englishness under pressure and the need for everyone to have a moment of grace even in difficult times. If I had to choose one film to show people about England it would be this - the scenes in the summer fields above Canterbury sum up some idyllic notion of this country for me. Great moments throughout - a cut from a medieval kestrel to a Spitfire presaging Kubrick's even more audacious cut in 2001, the dark of the black-out as the Glue-man does his work, the natural appearance of a halo around a character's head at just the right time, the long scene of organ-playing in Canterbury Cathedral. Great film - one of the few I've bought on DVD. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 29 September 2003 23:31 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; Eardrumbuz@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Brit Cinema (was lovecats <-> hatecats) Can't think of a single Brit film which would keep company with these. Brit cinema in the 50s was focused heavily on wartine epics and various stiff-upper-lipped tales of derring-do, of which Bridge on the River Kwai is probably the most impressive. Generally they films are based on true stories like the Dam Busters or Reach for the Sky. On top of that you had warm-hearted Ealing Comedies like the Man in the White Suit, and by the end of the decade I'd guess the gritty, realistic stuff like Room at the Top starts to kick in. Really a '60s genre though. If you extend the '50s back into the late '40s (ie post-war Brit Cinema, pre-60s) I'd say A Matter of Life and Death is more than the equal of anything made in Hollywood in the same period. Probably my favourite film of all time. Only Hitchcock can compete with the inventive genius of Powell & Pressburger. Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #289 *******************************