From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #288 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats ["dan bailey" hatecats [Bart van Damme hatecats ["Keith Astbury" hatecats [Ari Britt hatecats ["Keith Astbury" hatecats [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats [Bart van Damme hatecats [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] ot: 50's sci-fi, was lovecats <-> hatecats [Eardrumbuz@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] ot: 50's sci-fi, was lovecats <-> hatecats [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] bruce gilbert/lewis items on e-bay... [=?iso-8859-1?q?alan=20] Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market [bigmuff 80s Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats heresy! apparently you've somehow confused her with cristina ricci -- whom i also quite like. dan >> i'm not feelin' it Dan....she has too big of a forehead.... >> RL > >... and eyes like Peter Lorre -Bart > >http://www.hothouse.force9.co.uk/img17278.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:46:17 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Robert Palmer + KeithA wrote... >I liked old Robert, even if I didn't like much of his stuff. Thought he was >a bit of a one-off. > >He deserves his place for Johnny & Mary and Looking For Clues though. i agree with Keith that he was a one-off...not a fan at all really, apart from the odd tune that caught my ear...what i DID like about him was the fact that he always tried to do different stuff and probably suffered, sales-wise, as a consequence...his support of fellow Yorkshiremen The Com-Sat Angels also made me think favourably of him... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:41:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > heresy! apparently you've somehow confused her with cristina ricci -- whom i > also quite like. http://personal.iddeo.es/mmoreira/images/braces/cristina_ricci.jpg Again, too young for my taste... (furthermore, those braces can be as mean as a moyel's scalpel) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:19:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > > ... and eyes like Peter Lorre -Bart > > > > http://www.hothouse.force9.co.uk/img17278.jpg > My fave EVER film star! Arsenic & Old Lace is, with the possible exception of Sunset Boulevard, my favourite movie. That's right, I don't much care for this modern shit ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats Keith Astbury wrote: My fave EVER film star! >Arsenic & Old Lace is, with the possible exception of Sunset Boulevard, my favourite movie. That's right, I don't much care for this modern shit ; )< K. Lord of the rings,Dark city,Jacob's ladder,Chocolat,The Hours,Fight club,Being John Malkovitch,Ghandi,Gladiator,The fisher king,the Game,Fargo,Snatch,Gangs of new york,Road to perdition,Pulp fiction,Oh brother,Once upon a time in america......I could go on......."Modern Shit"????????? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:08:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > >Arsenic & Old Lace is, with the possible exception of Sunset Boulevard, my > favourite movie. That's right, I don't much care for this modern shit ; )< > > K. > > Lord of the rings,Dark city,Jacob's ladder,Chocolat,The Hours,Fight club,Being John Malkovitch,Ghandi,Gladiator,The fisher king,the Game,Fargo,Snatch,Gangs of new york,Road to perdition,Pulp fiction,Oh brother,Once upon a time in america......I could go on......."Modern Shit"????????? I exclude certain people's film from that remark - Coen Bros, Woody Allen, Scorceses, Tarantino, even Tim Burton - let alone one-offs. But some of your list are knocking on a bit. Ghandi? It was 20 + years ago! And whilst my blanket statement was obviously tongue-in-cheek, there's a lot of truth in it. I read an article about Tarantino in the Kill Bill build-up, and the writer said that when QT burst onto the scene, he had made movies matter again, and wondered who's gonna do it again. This was a film critic saying this. There's obviously good movies being made, I just don't get to see many of them - About Schmitd was an exception (Jack 'acted'!), 8 Mile was a genuine surprise, and I saw a really interesting film In The Bedroom (Sissy Spacek, Tom Wilkinson) on TV recently. But it's hardly a golden age, it it. The last Matrix movie was, like yer average blockbuster nowadays, bollocks! (this wasn't always the case. I could still watch The Towering Inferno for example!). As for Lord of the Rings.... Sorry Ari, and I know this will sound hypocritical from someone who loves his Tyrannosaurus Rex albums, but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien connections on principle ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:50:28 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats In a message dated 9/28/03 12:57:16 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >Keith Astbury wrote: >My fave EVER film star! > >>Arsenic & Old Lace is, with the possible exception of Sunset Boulevard, >my >favourite movie. That's right, I don't much care for this modern shit ; >)< > >K. > >Lord of the rings,Dark city,Jacob's ladder,Chocolat,The Hours,Fight club,Being >John Malkovitch,Ghandi,Gladiator,The fisher king,the Game,Fargo,Snatch,Gangs >of new york,Road to perdition,Pulp fiction,Oh brother,Once upon a time >in america......I could go on......."Modern Shit"????????? i'm sure our good man keith is just saying that he prefers the classics of the silver screen to modern filmmaking "in general" and doesn't really think all modern films are crap. the 70's alone can probably boast as many or more great films (and directors and stars!) than any decade. i wasn't a film major in college, but friends who were always referred to the 50's as the low point in film history. anyone care to name 10 favorite films of the 50's? i bet there'll be a few directors whose films overwhelm most of our collected choices. it'd be interesting to see what unique favorites may lie among them. from the films of the 50's, what's your desire? - -paul (lorre rocked in mad love and m) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:52:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats In a message dated 9/28/03 11:57:16 AM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Lord of the rings,Dark city,Jacob's ladder,Chocolat,The Hours,Fight > club,Being John Malkovitch,Ghandi,Gladiator,The fisher king,the > Game,Fargo,Snatch,Gangs of new york,Road to perdition,Pulp fiction,Oh brother,Once upon a time in > america......I could go on......."Modern Shit"????????? > i dislike all of these films.....my hatred of all things (modern) hollywood is really starting to make me phase out movie watching alltogether....i can't stomach paying money to go to the cinema and contribute to these self-important actors pocketbooks...and i almost always feel that i have wasted two hours of my life after watching most films.....these days anyway.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:18:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats > Lord of the rings,Dark city,Jacob's ladder,Chocolat,The Hours,Fight club,Being > John Malkovitch,Ghandi,Gladiator,The fisher king,the Game,Fargo,Snatch,Gangs > of new york,Road to perdition,Pulp fiction,Oh brother,Once upon a time in > america......I could go on......."Modern Shit"????????? Have you seen the last LOTR trailer yet Ari? It isn't supposed to be out yet, but I've have my *ahem* asian connection: http://img-nex.theonering.net/movies/rotk_asian_trailer_sept26.mov Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:50:14 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats >>> ... and eyes like Peter Lorre -Bart >>> http://www.hothouse.force9.co.uk/img17278.jpg Keith: > My fave EVER film star! He IS kinda special isn't he? Like the Buster Keaton (speaking of faves) of horror... Paul: > from the films of the 50's, what's your desire? > anyone care to name 10 favorite films of the 50's? Only ten? ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN, 1958 BEAST WITH A MILLION EYES 1955 THE BLOB 1958 THE BRAIN THAT WOULDN'T DIE 1959 CAT-WOMEN OF THE MOON 1953 THE CRAWLING EYE 1958 THE CREEPING UNKNOWN 1955 CURSE OF THE DEMON 1957 THE CYCLOPS 1957 THE DEADLY MANTIS 1957 DESTINATION MOON 1950 DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS 1954 EARTH vs. THE FLYING SAUCERS 1956 FIRE MAIDEN FROM OUTER SPACE 1956 FIRST SPACESHIP TO VENUS 1959 FORBIDDEN PLANET, 1956 THE GIANT GILA MONSTER 1959 GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS, 1956 I MARRIED A MONSTER FROM OUTER SPACE, 1958 INVADERS FROM MARS 1953 INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 1956 THE MAN FROM PLANET X 1951 MONSTER FROM THE OCEAN FLOOR 1954 THE MONSTER THAT CHALLENGED THE WORLD 1957 NIGHT OF THE DEMON 1957 PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE 1958 QUEEN OF OUTER SPACE 1958 RETURN OF THE FLY 1959 REVENGE OF FRANKENSTEIN 1958 ROBOT MONSTER 1953 THE ROCKET MAN 1954 THE SCREAMING SKULL 1958 THE SPACE CHILDREN 1958 TEENAGERS FROM OUTER SPACE 1959 THEM 1954 THE THING 1951 20 MILLION MILES TO EARTH 1957 WAR OF THE WORLDS 1953 You're right, I just pasted some i'net list, but the 50's WERE a wonderfull decade for weird sleazy sci-fi B-movies. I even saw quite a few of these! Bart ;-P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Keith.A wrote..... >but I will not go and watch a filmwith Tolkien connections on principle ; )Keith< Why not ar kid? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:43:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lovecats <-> hatecats In a message dated 9/28/03 2:51:52 PM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Paul: > >from the films of the 50's, what's your desire? > >anyone care to name 10 favorite films of the 50's? > > Only ten? > > ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN, 1958 > BEAST WITH A MILLION EYES 1955 > THE BLOB 1958 > THE BRAIN THAT WOULDN'T DIE 1959 > CAT-WOMEN OF THE MOON 1953 > THE CRAWLING EYE 1958 > THE CREEPING UNKNOWN 1955 > CURSE OF THE DEMON 1957 > THE CYCLOPS 1957 > THE DEADLY MANTIS 1957 > DESTINATION MOON 1950 > DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS 1954 > EARTH vs. THE FLYING SAUCERS 1956 > FIRE MAIDEN FROM OUTER SPACE 1956 > FIRST SPACESHIP TO VENUS 1959 > FORBIDDEN PLANET, 1956 > THE GIANT GILA MONSTER 1959 > GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS, 1956 > I MARRIED A MONSTER FROM OUTER SPACE, 1958 > INVADERS FROM MARS 1953 > INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 1956 > THE MAN FROM PLANET X 1951 > MONSTER FROM THE OCEAN FLOOR 1954 > THE MONSTER THAT CHALLENGED THE WORLD 1957 > NIGHT OF THE DEMON 1957 > PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE 1958 > QUEEN OF OUTER SPACE 1958 > RETURN OF THE FLY 1959 > REVENGE OF FRANKENSTEIN 1958 > ROBOT MONSTER 1953 > THE ROCKET MAN 1954 > THE SCREAMING SKULL 1958 > THE SPACE CHILDREN 1958 > TEENAGERS FROM OUTER SPACE 1959 > THEM 1954 > THE THING 1951 > 20 MILLION MILES TO EARTH 1957 > WAR OF THE WORLDS 1953 > > You're right, I just pasted some i'net list, but the 50's WERE a wonderfull > decade for weird sleazy sci-fi B-movies. I even saw quite a few of these! > > Bart ;-P > ahh Bart..a man after my own heart! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:01:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot: 50's sci-fi, was lovecats <-> hatecats In a message dated 9/28/03 3:51:52 PM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > >ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN, 1958 >BEAST WITH A MILLION EYES 1955 et al... ah, another thing we have in common bart...tall gals and real lookers...ur, i mean b movies. :o) true, they're among my all time faves too, but my filmmaking college friends were referring to "quality" films, or let's just call them "the ones that got the critical acclaim and/or awards" in the 50's. it gets to be slim pickins in the u.s.a. for sure, and they'd say that a large percentage of the "great" films of that time came from a handful of directors. i'm curious how the 50's were viewed across the pond :o) that said, the blob was pretty intense, eh? soon as it went up that stick onto the old guy's hand i knew i was in for a treat. of the sci-fi films, invasion of the body snatchers is sure to hold up against the 'quality' films of the same time period. day the earth stood still can't be ignored either, but my fave (at least it's the one that scared me the most) of that time was it! the terror from beyond space. reviews of alien have referred to "it" being the inspiration for alien. i saw alien the weekend it was released and was instantly reminded of how scared i was seeing "it" as a kid. great flick. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:21:57 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: 50's sci-fi, was lovecats <-> hatecats On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 11:01 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/03 3:51:52 PM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > >> >> ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN, 1958 >> BEAST WITH A MILLION EYES 1955 > > et al... > > ah, another thing we have in common bart...tall gals and real > lookers...ur, i > mean b movies. :o) > > true, they're among my all time faves too, but my filmmaking college > friends > were referring to "quality" films, or let's just call them "the ones > that got > the critical acclaim and/or awards" in the 50's. it gets to be slim > pickins in > the u.s.a. for sure, and they'd say that a large percentage of the > "great" > films of that time came from a handful of directors. i'm curious how > the 50's > were viewed across the pond :o) > > that said, the blob was pretty intense, eh? soon as it went up that > stick > onto the old guy's hand i knew i was in for a treat. of the sci-fi > films, > invasion of the body snatchers is sure to hold up against the > 'quality' films of the > same time period. day the earth stood still can't be ignored either, > but my > fave (at least it's the one that scared me the most) of that time was > it! the > terror from beyond space. reviews of alien have referred to "it" being > the > inspiration for alien. i saw alien the weekend it was released and was > instantly > reminded of how scared i was seeing "it" as a kid. great flick. > > -paul c.d. The other film "borrowed from" for "Alien" was "Planet Of The Vampires" http://members.fortunecity.com/roogulator/sf/planetvampires.htm http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue10/reviews/mariobava/planet.htm I think I have a few thousand Sci-fi films from the 50's. . . . . They've made me what I am today, a fiction of science. - or something . . . Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:55:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Tolkien > >but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien connections on principle ; ) > Why not ar kid? Hippy shit! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:06:14 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tolkien >> >but I will not go and watch a film with Tolkien connections on principle >; ) > >> Why not ar kid? > >Hippy shit! now that you've told us what you think of ari, why not go ahead & answer his question? dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:43:22 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies > true, they're among my all time faves too, but my filmmaking college friends > were referring to "quality" films, or let's just call them "the ones that got > the critical acclaim and/or awards" in the 50's. it gets to be slim pickins in > the u.s.a. for sure, and they'd say that a large percentage of the "great" > films of that time came from a handful of directors. i'm curious how the 50's > were viewed across the pond :o) You're right about that handfull of directors Paul. When I think of 50's films (other than sleaze) I see it "progressing" from cool film-noir to Ben Hur-like blockbusters. Also, it was of course THE decade of Hitchcock, so a bit more than 10 here: - - D.O.A. (1950) (pretty cool lowbudget film!) - - Cinderella (1950) - - High Noon (1952) (presidential fave and it IS an icon) - - Rear Window (1954) (not a fan of Jimmy Stewart, but this is ace) - - On the Waterfront (1954) (wonderfull McCarthyan movie) - - The Night of the Hunter (1955) (my no. 1 - Mitchum at his best) - - Twelve Angry Men (1957) (Sydney Lumet's superb debut) - - Vertigo (1958) (just top Hitch) - - Some Like It Hot (1959) (had to have some comedy here too) - - North By Northwest (1959) (great Bernard Herrmann soundtrack) - - Ben-Hur (1959) (much more layered than the disappointing Gliadiator) - - Compulsion (1959) (almost a great Orson Welles picture) - - Journey To the Center of the Earth (1959) (liked this a lot as a kid) A handy reminder: http://www.rinkworks.com/movies/i/1950s.shtml > that said, the blob was pretty intense, eh? soon as it went up that stick > onto the old guy's hand i knew i was in for a treat. of the sci-fi films, > invasion of the body snatchers is sure to hold up against the 'quality' films > of the > same time period. day the earth stood still can't be ignored either, but my > fave (at least it's the one that scared me the most) of that time was it! the > terror from beyond space. reviews of alien have referred to "it" being the > inspiration for alien. i saw alien the weekend it was released and was > instantly > reminded of how scared i was seeing "it" as a kid. great flick. Agreed on both Blob & Body Snatchers! What amazes me about lots of these B-movies is how it oozes the same feverish zeitgeist as in lotsa rockabilly from that era. It made for cultural icons that are still alive and strong even in these communication-times. Next time non-american 50's films? Can't wait to get my hands on Kurosawa, Fellini, Visconti, Bergman, Bunuel, Truffaut, Godard and many others... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:06:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?alan=20platten?= Subject: [idealcopy] bruce gilbert/lewis items on e-bay... hi there wire folk! thanks to all those who contacted me about my ad offering 'wire related items' a couple of weeks ago... i've put the remaining items on e-bay, starting prices are all at 1.99 UKP... bc gilbert and g lewis - 8 time CD #2561472721 bruce gilbert - insiding - CD #2561473078 bruce gilbert - music for fruit CD #2561473478 bruce gilbert (wire) - ab ovo CD #2561526203 (promise this is my last 'selling' mail to the list!) incidentally, has that cd re-release of 'commercial suicide' come out yet? that's the only newman cd release that i'm missing! many thanks, alan ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anti-swap c.d's now on the market can't you just play one of these cds and record it through a mixer to say minidisc or home stereo cd burner? or at least cassette? Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/24/03 11:19:51 AM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=711&e=9&u=/usatoday/ 20030923/tc_usatoday/11865096 and the cost of developing these litle wonders will, no doubt, be passed along to us consumers...or can the industry still see their way to lower cd prices? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: bigmuff 80s Subject: [idealcopy] Frank Tovey(Fad Gadget) I need to hear samples of the "Civilized" Lp Frank Tovey(Fad Gadget)- Wanted, I need to hear samples of the "Civilized" Lp\ please post up some mp3's of this lp. primarely the electronic songs would be good. i'm also curious to find out what his other teknoish type songs are. The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #288 *******************************