From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #283 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: on going to germany to hear music .... [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] THE RANGE ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] PRIMITIVE SHADOWPLAY ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag, Lets Burn the Bush ["Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: on going to germany to hear music .... >Subject: [idealcopy] anyone going to Cologne, Germany soon? > >aufabwegen presents: > >[bunkerbeschallung] >: krev festival : >- - live concerts by - >J O H N D U N C A N [USA] >L E I F E L G G R E N [SWEDEN] >Z B I G N I E W K A R K O W S K I [POLAND] >K E N T T A N K R E D [SWEDEN] >D I T T E R I C H V O N E U L E R - D O N N E R S P E R G [GER] >an international festival of concrete sound manipulation One of the nice things (and there are bad things, of course) about living in Chicago is that we actually get a fairly steady stream of this stuff here. This weekend: David Behrman (not to mention Ornette Coleman). Of course, traffic and parking will be really bad .... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:33:46 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] THE RANGE >SLASH AND BURN!!!! > >INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!! > >TURBULENCE, CHAOS > >Lights are flashing, cars are crashing, getting frequent now... >>>>My my... what neighbourhood are you living in old chap? >>>>Bart THE RANGE Dodging the bullets... Jesus wouldn't like it! Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:34:46 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] PRIMITIVE SHADOWPLAY Intuition; wherever it goes... THE WORD made FLESH? Friday: to the centre of the city in the night waiting for... Sonar Yen, a Sonic Youth fanband who have rrcalled the struggling spirit of Ian Curtis, and might yet keep the feeling. Saturday was a funny ol' day on THE RANGE in INTERZONE. I wandered & wondered, walked round and round but no one nailed me to a tree. However I did locate an emerald Grotto grown by that sweet gardener Kristin Hersh (4AD / ADFO / rad for / pulsating Venus off my sonar). Encountered many lost souls who I amused with stories of killing jokes and new orders. A traveller unable to slip the timelines preventing him from transforming his green to beer asked me to banter a while in a tavern. One of his friends appeared, and I felt compelled to tell him about my new black boots, which I found in the LABYRINTH on Friday afternoon. The only reason I'd entered the LABYRINTH was to locate the ultimate rock single SEEING RED but its summoning had been set back a week (out this week). "I've been listening to a lot of music by one of my favourite bands KILLING JOKE recently," I told the big man in combat GREEN. Turns out he's friends with both Youth and Raven. www.stateofdecay.com "Got these boots yesterday and this morning I noticed the word RAYVEN emblazoned on each of 'em!" (RAVEN being the 2nd (NOW) bassist who replaced (PIG) Youth who went off to rave etc but returned after he'd cut his own path through the LABYRINTH) Four of us sat around a table and told stories that enlightened and empowered. As a rat died a raven took flight! Fly straight with perfection Find me a new direction... The fires burned along the coast of triumphs The ebony embittered souls of children We'll seek another way before too long But will you stop my wind before I'm gone? The northern seas are cold but they're our own We'll sail your southern seas before too long My friend was the Raven 187? Be prepared! A SAVAGE TIME HAS BEGUN! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:36:26 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag, Lets Burn the Bush Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ Resume of George W. Bush, President Past Work Experience I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I produced a Hollywood slasher B movie. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; the company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With my father's help and name, I was elected Governor of Texas. Accomplishments as Governor I changed pollution laws in favor of the power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. I replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history I became U.S. President after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes with the help of major Enron money and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court. Accomplishments as President I attacked and overtook two countries. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. My record for environmental issues is the least of my concerns. I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I set the the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period. After taking-off the entire month of August, I then presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. I am supporting development of a "Tactical Bunker Buster" nuke, a WMD. I am getting our troops killed, under the lie of Sadam's procurement of Yellow Cake Nuke WMD components, then blaming the lie on our British friends. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president. In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in U.S. history. I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. I signed more laws and executive orders effectively amending or ignoring the Constitution than any president in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use national reserves as past presidents have done. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. I've dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I am the first president in U.S. history to have almost all 50 states of the Union simultaneously suffer massive financial crisis. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in history. I am the first president in U.S. history to order a pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community. I created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in history. I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission. I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Elections Monitoring Board. I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history. I rendered the entire United Nations viewpoints irrelevant. I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation) presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most resented country in the world, possibly the largest failure of diplomacy in World history. I am actively working on a policy of "disengagement" creating the most hostile of Israel-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am the first U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I set an all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling their huge personal investments in corporations bidding for U.S. contracts. I failed to fulfill my pledge to capture Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive. I failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the U.S. Capitol Building. Even after 18 months I have no leads and no credible suspects. In the past 18 months following the World Trade Center attack I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. I removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any president in U.S. history. In a little over two years, I created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided since the Civil War. I entered my office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and have turned every single economic category downward -- all in less than two years. Records and References: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine. My Texas driving record has been erased and is not available. I was AWOL from the National Guard. I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. ~ Please consider my experience when voting in 2004. ~ Send this to every voter you know. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:49:32 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] whatever happened to (ping)pong http://www.astercity.net/%7Etobik/pingpong.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:16:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE RANGE >>>>My my... what neighbourhood are you living in old chap? >>>>Bart THE RANGE<< That's as in... What do we get for our trouble and pain ? Just a rented room in Whalley... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:20:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag, Lets Burn the Bush > I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to > use national reserves as past presidents have done. > At least he got one thing right. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:34:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths so..last night, i'm sitting around with a lady friend who wanted to watch the really bad TV show: "Charmed".....(now, i do not mind Alyssa Milano at all..but that's besides the point)....the show comes on and i hear what sounded like The Psychedelic Furs covering "How Soon is Now" by the Smiths.....and it is the theme song of the show apparently.....did mine ears decieve me? was that the Furs that i heard? and why not just use the original?? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag,.......... ....and tell all that to most Americans and they won't believe you......why?because of one man --Rupert-fuckin- Murdoch.....all powerful all nazi mother fucker.may he quickly drop dead.Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:03:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths Haven't seen the show Robert, but it wasn't tAtU by any chance was it? They have covered it and it would suit the demographic. another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: 23 September 2003 19:34 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths so..last night, i'm sitting around with a lady friend who wanted to watch the really bad TV show: "Charmed".....(now, i do not mind Alyssa Milano at all..but that's besides the point)....the show comes on and i hear what sounded like The Psychedelic Furs covering "How Soon is Now" by the Smiths.....and it is the theme song of the show apparently.....did mine ears decieve me? was that the Furs that i heard? and why not just use the original?? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:37:31 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths >> The Psychedelic Furs covering "How Soon is Now" by the >> Smiths.....and it >> is >> the theme song of the show apparently.....did mine ears >> decieve me? was that the Furs that i heard? >> > > Haven't seen the show Robert, but it wasn't tAtU by any chance was it?> They have covered it and it would suit the demographic. > You're close. According to the official website at http://www.thewb.com/Music/Show/0,10944,||156,00.html it's "How Soon Is Now?" by Love Spit Love, from the CD "The Craft: Music From The Motion Picture". Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:33:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths ....did mine ears >> decieve me? was that the Furs that i heard? >> > > Haven't seen the show Robert, but it wasn't tAtU by any chance was it?> They have covered it and it would suit the demographic. > You're close. According to the official website at http://www.thewb.com/Music/Show/0,10944,||156,00.html >it's "How Soon Is Now?" by Love Spit Love, from the CD "The Craft: Music From The Motion Picture". Cheers,PauI< I have 'seventeen' and 'trysome eatone' by LSL,anyone know how many they released under that name before reforming back to Psych Furs?Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:54:26 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths > I have 'seventeen' and 'trysome eatone' by LSL. Anyone know how > many they released under that name before reforming back to Psych > Furs? According to allmusic.com, they had two albums, "Love Spit Love" (with the song 'Seventeen' on it - could you be thinking of this one?) and "Trysome Eatone". Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:17:20 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] happy tree friends free-for-all It's that time again . . . > http://www.happytreefriends.com/watch_episodes/index.html Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:24:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths In a message dated 9/23/03 5:34:29 PM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Cheers,PauI< > I have 'seventeen' and 'trysome eatone' by LSL,anyone know how many they > released under that name before reforming back to Psych Furs?Ari > if i am not mistaken...i believe there was a native St. Louisan in Love Spit Love...he used to be in a HUGE band around here called The Eyes (it was the 80's/early 90's)....i think his name is Rich Fortis... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:46:42 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths > if i am not mistaken...i believe there was a native St. > Louisan in Love Spit > Love...he used to be in a HUGE band around here called The > Eyes (it was the > 80's/early 90's)....i think his name is Rich Fortis... > Again from allmusic.com (sensing a pattern here? (^_-)) Love Spit Love: Group Members Tim Butler Richard Butler Frank Ferrer Richard Fortus Chris Wilson And, under Richard Fortus: Formal Connections: The Psychedelic Furs Love Spit Love Pale Divine Worked With: BT Jesse Malin *NSYNC Esko Merle Chornuk Toby Dammit JC Chasez Ryan Adams Melissa Auf Der Maur Tom Schick Ben Folds Jan Johnston Richard Butler Joe McGinty Paul Garisto Fil Izler Plump DJs J. Moss Wade Robson Member Of: Guns N' Roses Love Spit Love NOTE: This doesn't mean he wasn't in The Eyes. It just means that the band wasn't big enough to be tracked on allmusic.com. There's actually four bands called "The Eyes" or "Eyes", one of which could be the band you're thinking of. If the date is right, they list two singles, but unfortunately no members: 1991 Nobody Said It Was Easy Capitol s 1991 Calling Out Your Name Capitol s Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:54:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths In a message dated 9/23/03 6:47:32 PM Central Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > Again from allmusic.com (sensing a pattern here? (^_-)) > > Love Spit Love: > Group Members Tim Butler Richard Butler Frank Ferrer Richard Fortus > Chris Wilson > > > And, under Richard Fortus: > > Formal Connections: The Psychedelic Furs Love Spit Love Pale Divine > OH!!! you are correct....the Eyes i believe were his first band....then Pale Divine was huge...that's right.... nice one! RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:54:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths In a message dated 9/23/03 6:47:32 PM Central Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > Again from allmusic.com (sensing a pattern here? (^_-)) > > Love Spit Love: > Group Members Tim Butler Richard Butler Frank Ferrer Richard Fortus > Chris Wilson > > > And, under Richard Fortus: > > Formal Connections: The Psychedelic Furs Love Spit Love Pale Divine > OH!!! you are correct....the Eyes i believe were his first band....then Pale Divine was huge...that's right.... nice one! RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: RE: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths Paul Pietromonaco wrote: According to allmusic.com, they had two albums, "Love Spit Love" (with the song 'Seventeen' on it - could you be thinking of this one?) and "Trysome Eatone". Cheers,Paul So the soundtrack to the movie was 'various artists'?(what a great name for a group) Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:44:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Charmed/Psych Furs/Smiths i like the lsl version of how soon is now very much. true to the original, just butlerized :o) richard fortus was indeed in love spit love, then continued (along with frank ferrer) in the reformed psych furs. frank left for a bit but has returned. fortus is no longer with the furs, making john ashton the only guitarist. amanda kramer (formerly of information society) joined recently on keyboards. the new furs songs are great and the band sounds better now than at any time since talk talk talk. unfortunately for most ic-ers, the furs don't tour europe. maybe that'll change with the release of a new album...which according to rb is due out after his solo album next year. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:46:47 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag,.......... In a message dated 9/23/03 2:49:48 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >Rupert-fuckin- Murdoch.....all powerful all nazi mother fucker.may he quickly >drop dead.Ari yeah, fuck the fucking fucker! :o) another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:35:21 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Don't Burn the Flag,.......... On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/03 2:49:48 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com > writes: > >> Rupert-fuckin- Murdoch.....all powerful all nazi mother fucker.may he >> quickly >> drop dead.Ari > > yeah, fuck the fucking fucker! > > :o) another the paul > > www.mp3.com/winteracademy Yeah! What he said, http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~special/mp3/F.mp3 Ed ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #283 *******************************