From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #280 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] DEMON STATE INFERNO ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] soulseek [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] soulseek [Bo Krogsgaard ] Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Track i.d. for 80's electronic song. [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] DEMON STATE INFERNO [Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] DEMON STATE INFERNO A bit silly? Re-sent puss demon state time little fresh course: If you are STANDING inside the Pentagon when you invoke the DEMON, then he can HURT you. Shit on your descendents Melanoma Then their brains turned black Cos of the LEECHES in their Bug Muc Small targets drop first >>>As the NME finally gives up SLASH AND BURN!!!! INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>Finally did the once-unthinkable a couple of months ago, and cancelled >>>>my order (bizarrely the newsagents closed down a few weeks later!). SLASH AND BURN!!!! INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>I think ICP Media is in some trouble as they have closed down Muzik magazine as well. You guys talk the talk Now walk the walk Everyone write an article for THE IDEAL COPY A New Alternative Money Money Money must be funny! SLASH AND BURN!!!! INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!! TURBULENCE, CHAOS Lights are flashing, cars are crashing, getting frequent now... And then the song became alive So Victorious! Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:32:44 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] soulseek i was really enjoying this , then since about 3 weeks ago i've not been able to access the server. is it down or is it just my link? any thoughts? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:48:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] soulseek http://slsk.blogspot.com/ b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:56:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP In a message dated 9/20/03 12:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > maybe we could get a show of hands from > copyists actually willing to participate in something?>>>> count me in...i'd like to give it a shot....i have quite a view things i'd like to review > > -paul (i'm seeing shack on wednesday. should i bring a pad & pencil?) c.d.>>> yes..just in case we get something going.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:13:36 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 01:37:39AM -0400, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > and on the topic of "actually printing an ideal copy zine"... maybe > malka would be interested in pursuing something along the lines of a > publication? i wonder if a quarterly is too ambitious. maybe we > could get a show of hands from copyists actually willing to > participate in something? I'd be interested, modulo the fact I'm a PhD student and that's not negotiable. However, it's not really very much of a secret at all that my dream occupation would be journalism, given I've already accepted my manifest lack of talent as a musician. My kind of vision for a magazine is; * uncompromising intelligence is nothing to be ashamed of * if it's not interesting, ignore it; enthusiasm is contagious, as long as it's well-founded. The biggest problem of "The Wire" for me is its po-facedness; I feel there's a happy medium between an intellectual, cerebral approach and the raging pretension it displays. * presentation matters; "The Wire" rather than "NME" - proper typography, cutting-edge graphical design- this is not "mainstream" per se, it's never going to sell 100k copies so there's no point in pitching at the lowest common denominator. You may as well aim for the highest common denominator and trust that people will go with you * don't be afraid to use context, recommend old records, run historical articles; one of the NME's biggest problems is a complete disregard for historical and social context in music, without which pop music is meaningless * opinion is interesting; the personality of the writer is something which should be exploited, not hidden * long-format reviews; even thousands of words if it reads well. One of the worst features of Q/NME/the mainstream press is trying to review a record in 100 words; can't be done * on the same note, NO SCORES OUT OF TEN. Quality can't be mapped to a linear scale like that, and a good review makes it entirely obvious who a record will appeal to anyway * no kickbacks, no advertorials, no PR fluff; no freebies for the sake of it. "The Wire Tapper" is a classic example of the giveaway done right. I'm loath to print this in public, in case someone else goes and does it; but what the hell, it's what I'd want to read and be involved with. Please feel free to insult me for my pretension now. I'm a 22-year-old chemical physicist, I know nothing of the actual media industry; but I feel there's a real gap in the market here, and I'd love to be involved in producing something that I could be genuinely proud of. - - Andrew (and we'd need to get Wire, Miles', and Mute's permission to use "Ideal Copy" as a name; so we'd probably need something else, too.) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:45:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Track i.d. for 80's electronic song. In a message dated 9/19/03 8:49:16 PM Central Daylight Time, bigmuff80s@yahoo.com writes: > Track i.d. > > it's a complete synth oriented song. > Has sort of a "the the-infected" drum pattern although not as intense and a > bit different. > There's some nice keyboards in this but can't hum them. > > the lyrics go something like this, > > "they make history, they make the law, > they make money and they make war, > power corrupt and power suceeds, > i may be a drag but i don't brag." > The Brotherhood by Frank Tovey (aka Fad Gadget) may he rest in peace... it's on the Civilian cd (Mute uk) good album... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:41:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] DEMON STATE INFERNO > SLASH AND BURN!!!! > > INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!! > > TURBULENCE, CHAOS > > Lights are flashing, cars are crashing, getting frequent now... My my... what neighbourhood are you living in old chap? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:47:21 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Ideal Copy Zine I think the idea of the zine is pretty cool, it is definitely feasible since we are all pretty passionate about music here. Just throwing an idea out - I'm thinking if this thing gets off the ground it might be more practical to do a webzine? Sure, there are a lot of webzines these days, but web hosting is cheap, email is fast, and paper is saved. ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Re: Ideal Copy Zine Rain19c@aol.com wrote: >I think the idea of the zine is pretty cool, it is definitely feasible since we are all pretty passionate about music here. Just throwing an idea out - I'm thinking if this thing gets off the ground it might be more practical to do a webzine? Sure, there are a lot of webzines these days, but web hosting is cheap, email is fast, and paper is saved.< ~Michael \ Good idea,though there'd be no money in this idea it also means no one would lose money if it failed..........A Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:30:32 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ideal Copy Zine Very good idea Michael, makes the whole idea more feasible indeed. I'm sure no-one of us was looking forward to any of that advertisement hassle. And Rick... this way we CAN go for that glossy/cool look after all! ;-P Anone with a little ASP / PHP (perhaps JAVA) knowledge? Bart > I think the idea of the zine is pretty cool, it is definitely feasible since > we are all pretty passionate about music here. > > Just throwing an idea out - I'm thinking if this thing gets off the ground it > might be more practical to do a webzine? Sure, there are a lot of webzines > these days, but web hosting is cheap, email is fast, and paper is saved. > > ~Michael > Good idea,though there'd be no money in this idea it also means no one would > lose money if it failed..........A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:39:54 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ideal Copy Zine On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:30:32AM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > Very good idea Michael, makes the whole idea more feasible indeed. I'm sure > no-one of us was looking forward to any of that advertisement hassle. To be honest, anyone can do a weblog/webzine (I know I do, and it sucks), or for that matter, a fanzine. I have very little interest in doing either on a more grand scale. You simply don't reach the general public with it, and if you're not going to do it better than Pitchfork or Brainwashed, then there's very little point. It'd be, IMO, a bit of a waste of time. The prospects of producing a proper magazine on paper are fairly slim as well, as Bart observes above: i) It's a full-time business, which implies: a) substantial legal hassles (setting up of a limited company, etc) b) proper accountancy needed ii) professional advertising sales needed iii) professional publishing/subediting/graphic design iv) advertising needed to get people to buy the thing; you have to let people know the product exists v) distribution vi) doing all of the above without having any startup capital - so investment or selling the idea to one of the major publishers (EMAP, IPC, Future...) If anyone has an inside line on all of these, you know how to get in contact with me :-) I don't see the point of producing something unless people are going to read it; only the very best fan sites (and we already have one of those in Wireviews) are really worthwhile in that regard, and unless you're going to compete with the big commercial operations... I'm staggered by the enthusiasm unleashed by my essentially off-the-cuff comment that some of the posters here wrote better copy than the NME's hacks, though. - - being a little realistic, Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #280 *******************************