From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #278 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 19 2003 Volume 06 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] DVDs ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] DVDs [Bart van Damme ] [none] [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] DVD's..... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Re: NME RIP [Ian Grant ] Re: [idealcopy] nuked cheese ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] Payments to WMO [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] long shows ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] DVDs [Robert Berg ] [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Wire vs Britney Spears Bootleg [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GROHL ["dan bailey" >>I almost put it down to age - 42yr old's aren't part of their target > >audience admittedly - but 'de kids' seem to think it's bollocks too. You > >would have thought they'd learnt their lesson from ther Melody Maker.<< It's certainly going the same way. Fine while there's a wave of new bands to ride, but not so good when things shift away from that. NME now appears to be in a circulation war with Kerrang, which accounts for the 'dumbing down' of its content. >>> Data point: I'm 20 years younger than the illustrious Mr. Astbury, and I > stopped reading about the same time he did.<< Well I'm still getting it delivered, though frankly even the gig guide seems less than comprehensive these days. > >>It's crap. We could, collectively, do a much better job. Some of us (eg > Bill) already *are*.<< I wouldn't like to take it on as a weekly, though the lack of a serious rival is unhealthy. I do believe there is room in the publishing sphere for a hipper version of Mojo, without all the folk, prog, country and beatles features, centred round punk (and its ancestors/descendents) rather than the 60s. Now THAT we could do. Idealcopy Magazine. Like it! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:45:52 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] DVDs > Anybody has any examples of really innovative DVD productions? Try The Residents Icky Flix, or maybe the soon to be released Demons Dance DVD. Icky has a great interface (visit www.theresidents.co.uk and look at the Icky Flix pages for screen shots) > As I just learned (working for a DVD production company) what's really > expensive is the making of subtitles (all done by freelancers). Most > American DVD's include only Spanish subtitles, but all European have > multiple ones. Perhaps you could explain why many widescreen DVDs, have the subtitles on the black band at the bottom of the screen?! You buy a widescreen TV and end up having to set it up to watch in 4:3 format if you want to be able to read the subtitles! Proper widescreen films aren't so bad, as you can move the picture up so that the top black band disappears, and the bottom one gets bigger - allowing all the subtitles to be seen. But it's the ones produced in 16:9 format that cause the problem. Paul (rezMole) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:27:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] DVDs > Try The Residents Icky Flix, or maybe the soon to be released Demons Dance > DVD. Icky has a great interface (visit www.theresidents.co.uk > and look at the Icky Flix pages for screen > shots) I checked the site and it looks promising indeed Paul, thnx. Is it a static interface or dynamic? >> As I just learned (working for a DVD production company) >> what's really >> expensive is the making of subtitles (all done by >> freelancers). Most >> American DVD's include only Spanish subtitles, but all >> European have multiple ones. > Perhaps you could explain why many widescreen DVDs, have the subtitles on > the black band at the bottom of the screen?! You buy a widescreen TV and end > up having to set it up to watch in 4:3 format if you want to be able to read > the subtitles! Proper widescreen films aren't so bad, as you can move the > picture up so that the top black band disappears, and the bottom one gets > bigger - allowing all the subtitles to be seen. But it's the ones produced > in 16:9 format that cause the problem. > Paul (rezMole) Interesting question. I'm not sure how this works (I only do the design), but I'll forward your question to the producers and will let you know their answer. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [none] I get quite disappointed looking at what's availlable on DVD. There so much garbage (nothing to do with Garbage-the-rockband) around. It can be such a wonderfull medium, but the possibilities often seem terribly underused. Anybody has any examples of really innovative DVD productions? Bart As our ex president would have said.....'it depends what you mean by innovative'.......D3 Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:27:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] DVD's..... >But it's the ones produced in 16:9 format that cause the problem.< Having a 16:9 43" screen isn't a problem with me,if I ever do want to read subtitles I'll just watch on my 'other' t.v in the bedroom........but as it's rare to find 'other language' movies over here the problem barely excists.Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:48:47 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: NME RIP >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= > > I think ICP Media is in some trouble as they have >closed down Muzik magazine as well. I used to turn to >them for dance music info, but towards the end it had >turned into rubbish even the kids wouldn't buy. >I only found out about it when I tried going to the >Muzik site, but was redirected to NME. Ah, that explains why I couldn't find Muzik in the newsagent, then. Shame, as it seemed like a half-decent magazine to me - that is, I didn't actually *read* very much of it, but it generally threw some interesting suggestions forward, which is all that I ask for. That said, I've been buying Jockey Slut with much more enthusiasm recently, mainly because it seems to have a bit of personality and guts about it. If that dies too, I'll be back to wandering aimlessly around the dance section, attempting to discover something exciting by title and sleeve alone.... On an entirely different note, yesterday evening was marginally enlivened by a phonecall from a friend challenging me to prove the (former) existence of Birdland, Coventry's finest blond-mopped originalityphobes from the late eighties-ish. Those were the days, eh? Or not, as you wish. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:49:28 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nuked cheese still catching up, sorry all...(^_^) > > once while on vacation in nova scotia, my wife and i stopped for lunch >in > > truro, at a little coffee shop, and my wife ordered a grilled cheese >sandwich. > > the waitress proceeded to take 2 slices of a wonderbread equivilent and >1 > > slice > > of american "cheese" out of it's individual plastic wrap sleeve, nuked >it for > > a minute and served it on a plate. horrible, yet unforgettable dining > > experience. hahaha...North America, the home of good food...and they give us shit for it...!!! (see...Big Black's 'Pig Pile' video...at the very least...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Payments to WMO Please note that with immediate effect payments to WMO can also be made via PayPal. Remember that some items are very limited supply Order now to avoid disappointment kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:37:14 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] long shows am happy to report that i was able to get into the dandy warhols' atlanta gig last night at the door without paying the predatory $10-plus in service fees that an internet prepurchase would've cost ... anyway, at first i was somewhat taken aback that they didn't have an opening act (one of the few times i've encountered that ... offhand, i can think of devo in 12/81, the thrill kill kult in mid-'91 & the cure in 6/01), but damn if they didn't haul off & play 2 hours & 40 minutes. i believe that's the 2nd-longest show i've ever seen, clocking in only 5 minutes or so less than the cure 14 years ago to the day. springsteen played nearly as long back in 3/01, as the cure did in 2001, but both those acts have of course *far* larger back catalogues from which to draw. good thing the dandys *didn't* have an opening act. i'd probably still be in atlanta! (not necessarily a bad thing, since all the record shops were closed by the time i got there [not that i have any money anyway, of course], but i'm pretty sure my dogs would be quite put out with me.) dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:19:39 -0500 From: Robert Berg Subject: Re: [idealcopy] DVDs Anyone with a soft spot in their heart for the Cure will want to check out the Trilogy DVD released earlier this year. The production on this DVD alone is worth the price, if not the incredible performances of three complete albums: Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers. later, bob Wilson, Paul wrote: >> Anybody has any examples of really innovative DVD productions? > >Try The Residents Icky Flix, or maybe the soon to be released Demons Dance >DVD. Icky has a great interface (visit www.theresidents.co.uk > and look at the Icky Flix pages for screen >shots) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:20:19 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN You are an inspiration to me You are an inspiration of how not to be You are an inspiration to acheive a better way of life >zzzzzzzzzzz.............I almost fell asleep reading that cheesy fanboy rev >iew. What always interests me are these anti-corporate proclamations. Almost fell asleep but always interested? Breaking down the Wall of Sleep? Or a rather confused chap? A Mass of Contradiction indeed! >How did this guy even hear the CD (which is pressed in a corporate factory >on PLASTIC)? ears & mindbrain HEART & SOUL I was running on the excitement I felt, rather than gunning for the medium that delivered it. My review seems to have inspired people to hear the album which is the whole point. All RL99.9's brother has managed to provoke is another rabid bout of slander and malice from that regular tired buffoon Robinson the Spying Troll. Every question Leading to the same place Whatever happened to FALL OF BECAUSE >Did he hear it on his SONY Cd player? A Means to an End CHANGE! >How did he write that review? With fingers, hope & mindbrain Hoping it will be part of a means to effect CHANGE! >On his DELL computer, Or his secondhand reclaimed / reconditioned computer, bought from a non-profit collective who create community computer networks, and are very unpopular with Manchester's self styled Peace City Council. A Means to an End CHANGE! >using what INTERNET PROVIDER? No idea! Why pay for the Tower of Babble when you can hook up to it free in so many places THESE DAYS? A Means to an End CHANGE! >Even if it was originally written with pen/pencil and paper, what brands >were they? Free garbage that gets pushed through my door every day, emblazoned with the logos of charity. A Means to an End CHANGE! >Where did he eat today? Home on the Range. >>>McDonald's... Did my brains turn blank Cursed by the faeces in my big mac? Maybe not. I'd honestly rather starve to death than put one shiny penny across the counter of those thieving monsters. Judging by the lyrics to Inferno and the maccy d clown deathmask leering in reversed corporatulent colours from the cover of the new Killing Joke album, I'd guess Jaz feels much the same way... Even if I wasn't against them politically, spiritually, emotionally and morally, I could easily ignore them through the appliance of science. Diversity is what life on Earth thrives on. If corporations bulldoze everyone into gorging the desecrated Holy Cow we'll be well on the road to end that. Also I don't relish the prospect of morphing into a chubby lump with heart attacks on stairs. Here's a quote from some dumb motherfucker who was in charge of the muccy d dominators in Japan: "If we eat mcd*n*lds hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years then we will become taller, our skin will become white and our hair blonde." Fools like him are running / ruining the planet. That's a killing joke! >or did he get it from a GROCERY STORE which belongs to a larger CHAIN of >GROCERY STORES? No, from a vegan wholefood collective which is a unique Unicorn www.unicorn-grocery.co.uk A Means to an End CHANGE! >Where was his food processed Mostly I eat organic food, which tends to undergo very little processing. A Means to an End CHANGE! >and what preservatives where used? Almost none at all. A Means to an End CHANGE! >Are his clothes handmade? Some are. Others were given to me by generous bands who I've helped or secondhand clothes from charity shops. >What BRAND are they? Not sure, but I try to check that they aren't made by slaves in sweatshops if I have to buy overpriced new togs. I tend to find quite a lot of perfectly adequate discarded clothing in skips and on the streets too. A Means to an End CHANGE! >How does he travel? By car, boat,plane... 2 feet mostly but sometimes I listen to Wingwalker by Shellac, form my body in the shape of a plane and fly! >all of which are manufactured by various CORPORATIONS. No doubt Monsanto will try to prove in court fairly soon that they own my feet. I wouldn't put it past short sighted cheating corporate scum like them. I save all my apple seeds, so no doubt I'll soon be criminalised if the benelovant creators of the TERMINATOR GENE have their way. That's a killing joke! >What company makes the SOAP you use when you take a bath/shower? Is your brother always this boring Robert? >What WATER COMPANY do you get your WATER SERVICE from? Lumpen Splutterbore's Destructable Pisswater Inc guaranteed to make you puke with just one sip and a bargain to boot. Business is our business Privatise the people's lives >Every royalty >check Jaz Coleman receives in the mail comes from a corporation, and he >willingly accepts. A Means to an End Change! >I really feel for Jaz in these kinds of situations, always some nerd fan >getting excited over a concept that has been around since the beginning of >civilization. Which concept was that? The price of soap? Then again, everything you learn the fire shall burn. Well, isn't it a shame that someone could feel excited by rock music. I really feel for these poor bands who actually make people excited with their music, it must be terrible for them! Just for you I'll try to act more like an embittered old cancer grandad in future. AND THEN AGAIN >Jaz is hardly a genius for pointing out what thousands before him have. But a lot of souls have forgotten... The genius is actually using the rock medium to do something much more radical and interesting than 99.9% bands could ever conceive of. He's a genius for the intense levels of inspiration he brings me and the life force I feel flow from his creations. I've been listening to a hell of a lot of Killing Joke recently and its led to some profoundly positive events and INSIGHTs in my life. >I would be willing to bet a million that Jaz would be >very upset at someone calling him a genius- I think he might find it in his heart to forgive me... Something funny that I guess most would put down to coincidence - but the largest sum of money I've ever had appeared in the street cash spitter for me the day that review went online, and just as I was considering moving into a squat to avoid destitution. Now I know what I'm meant to do No looking back now we're pushing through DREAMS NEVER END >as if he is separate from the rest of us. He's capable of being possessed by genius. That's my opinion. I'm quite happy to accept that I'm wrong if he has an alternative view. Maybe it'd be a good topic of discussion for us? If THE WORD offends you cut it out and replace it with 'inspirational.' >I suspect he doesn't want to be above anyone, for any reason. > We agree there. Why would being possessed by genius necessarily put him above anyone? It would depend on what the inspiration is used for. Some of us are better at some things than others. > Yes, even the mighty( I say this tongue-in-cheek) Jaz Coleman has to obey >the speed limit when he drives Even on roads where there isn't a speed limit? Even if he sometimes drives off the road completely? Then closes the gate? >and pay his taxes or he will be arrested like the rest of us. Well I'm not in prison yet! The United Police Force of Greater Manchester City of Peace have more important things to do than lock away people who can't afford to feed the government war machine. Like catch crackheads who shoot defenceless seven year old girls in the back as they run away. (and cry like children in Wintergardens) >Bottom Line- We don't live in caves anymore- We ALL have to follow rules, BREAK! Whose rules? Your rules? My rules? Jaz Coleman's rules? The government's rules? Mob rule? The law of elders that passes judgement on this waste? The law of the village? Do what thou whilt shall be the whole of the law? Love is the law >NONE of us are above them. NONE of us. Things have been strange since they got rid of GRAVITY around here. TURULENCE, UNCERTAINTY, CHAOS BREAKDOWN >Living in the year 2003 (the last hundred years for that matter) it is >IMPOSSIBLE to avoid being a consumer or "puppet" to a corporation. It is possible to minimise deathsucking gluttony. Isn't this something worth trying to change? LOW IMPACT >When Killing Joke records or tours, they have to use electricity. It is >doubtful that a KJ roadie is using GAS-POWERED generators to give power to >the band. OOPS! Looky there, just coming up with that idea, I couldn't >avoid mentioning GAS. He does seem to suffer from a lot of it, and rather a lot of self righteous defensive pomposity. Robert did he ever teach yr grandma to suck eggs? Try using all that excess gas to fill a balloon to fly above REALM OF DUSK for a while. >I would like to close with this. I like Jaz Coleman very much. Have for >many years now. Please do not throw the word Genius around so much. >Because of people like the guy who wrote the review, the word Genius has >lost a bit of it's meaning. > Which bit? What is your brother's definition of genius? Perhaps because of depressed people like the guy who wrote the email, music loses some of its magic. (play like children in Wintergardens) >Finally, using Dave Grohl is the MOST CORPORATE thing you could do Even more corporate than using electricity instead of gas? Even more corporate than invading a country and bulldozing its culture to suck up its oil for the big lawful cars that never exceed their holy speed limit? Grohl really gets the coporatulentometer screaming! I must remember to ask what brand of soap he prefers if I ever meet him... >(and by FAR the most BORING and UNINSPIRED drumming on ANY KJ record) and >JAZ knows this. Inspiring one of the most boring and uninspired emails on the topic of Killing Joke to be spewed onto Ideal Copy of late. I think Dave's drumming sounds great. Nevermind... >What AIRLINE did Grohl use to fly to NZ to meet up with Jaz? Probably one of those Foo Fighters. Maybe he used Astral Projection, like Brother Robert? I'm really hoping he'll be able to project out to Italy and Spain soon to SEND us a report on WIRE's 'Chips and Spaghetti' tour! Can't wait to find out what brand of soap Colin's been cleaning out his lug 'oles with THESE DAYS. >What kinds of MICROPHONES does JAZ use, what brand SYNTH's? Ask him. >Jaz OPENLY admitted he smelled dollars hooking up with "Moldy Grohl" . I'd say it makes a lot of sense to include someone in the band who is going to get them a lot of attention from a lot more people considering the lyrics of Total Invasion and THE ABSOLUTLEY STUNNING Blood On Your Hands (check this week's Brainwashed Brain for a sample and the review that so wound up this Joker). Couldn't it perhaps be an important part of a ritual to have Grohl drum, as a way of burying the Eighties hatchet and also of being able to get listeners of the grunge generation to get inspired by something with a lot more substance than the relatively selfish and pitiful lyrics of Kurt Cobain? Implant the Kurt Zombie with a New Survivalist strain. >We are all walking >contradictions. I don't know, some of us might be getting quite lame. >THIS is the Killing Joke! Or one of them. 9 to 5, its a bit of joke! What about the Atomic Bomb? How about that Asteroid coming in from the void? Or the Total Invasion and annihilation of different cultures? Or GM crops? Talk about 'no sense of humour'! Flying and I'm not coming down You're trying but you might soon go down All my colours turn to... GREEN! godspeed YOU! emerald empress Scupper the Destroyer! http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:37:44 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN In a message dated 9/18/03 1:45:00 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > I couldn't > >avoid mentioning GAS. > > > He does seem to suffer from a lot of it, and rather a lot of self righteous > defensive pomposity. > Robert did he ever teach yr grandma to suck eggs?>>>>>> no....she passed away when he was very young.... > Maybe he used Astral Projection, like Brother Robert?>>>>>> as a matter of fact, i had a great trip the other night.....popped over to an ex-girlfriends house....great fun.... > > > I'm really hoping he'll be able to project out to Italy and Spain soon to > SEND us a report on WIRE's 'Chips and Spaghetti' tour!>>>>>>> no...i'm not that good yet...but i'm hoping with a little practice.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:22:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN In a message dated 9/18/03 1:45:00 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Even more corporate than invading a country and bulldozing its culture to > suck up its oil for the big lawful cars that never exceed their holy speed > limit? if you believe the words of John Titor the Time Traveller from the year 2,036, we will pay for transgressions soon enough.. John Titor - Time Traveler if that link doesn't work, try http://www.johntitor.com/ RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:07:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN In a message dated 9/18/03 1:45:00 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Something funny that I guess most would put down to coincidence - but the > largest sum of money I've ever had appeared in the street cash spitter for > me the day that review went online, and just as I was considering moving > into a squat to avoid destitution. yeah, Rev. Robert Tilton has this thing that if you pledge a vow of faith to his "Success n' Life Ministires" , in the sum of $1,000..God will bless your gift tenfold.... he even speaks in tongues.. cool! RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:49:04 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire vs Britney Spears Bootleg (apologies if this has been posted already) Looks like a Wire track has finally entered the mutant bootleg world..... http://www.dinbot.com has a bootleg which mixed Wire's "Being Watched" with Britney Spears' "I'm A Slave For U" and it seem that Wire (perhaps just Colin?) themselves have already left a message of approval on this person messageboard. I always thought some of Graham's solo work would work well in a heavy techno/house setting...perhpas if DJ Beekeeper was on the decks.... ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:02:45 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN well! all i can say is...mark, one of us should take the time to count all the fac-references in that post, then see how that number relates to it's corresponding facnumber, then send a graphic interpretation of it to peter sav...oh shit, wrong list :o) - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:07:11 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EVERYTHING'S GONE GROHL >>Jaz OPENLY admitted he smelled dollars hooking up with "Moldy Grohl" . > > >I'd say it makes a lot of sense to include someone in the band who is going >to get them a lot of attention from a lot more people who knows? it *did* get the then-forthcoming new album a mention (possibly as "goth forefathers," or something like that ... rather silly, since we all know wire deserves that appellation for i should have known better) in a time magazine featurette on grohl a few weeks ago. can't remember if copies here have stickers proclaiming grohl's involvement or not, but i do wonder if his role is why the local circuit city has copies on hand (as opposed to, say, virtually anything else i'm interested in). dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:12:08 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire vs Britney Spears Bootleg Apologies accepted Michael! ;-) We discussed this earlier, I dunno, last May or so? Bart > (apologies if this has been posted already) > > Looks like a Wire track has finally entered the mutant bootleg world..... > > http://www.dinbot.com has a bootleg which mixed Wire's "Being Watched" with > Britney Spears' "I'm A Slave For U" > > and it seem that Wire (perhaps just Colin?) themselves have already left a > message of approval on this person messageboard. > > I always thought some of Graham's solo work would work well in a heavy > techno/house setting...perhpas if DJ Beekeeper was on the decks.... > > ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] GBV are the best rock=?ISO-8859-1?B?uW65?=roll band in the world Fuckthefuckingfucker... I could not make it myself! -Bart :-(( ========================================== http://www.gbv.com/volkskrantreview.html Gijsbert Kamer, Volkskrant (leading Dutch newspaper) Guided By Voices, Paradiso, Amsterdam, August 31 Lessons in Rock n9 roll by Guided By Voices Thanks to Arjan Domhof and Jos Witsenburg (www.fluxury.nl) for translations! It9s been more than five years since guitarband Guided By Voices9 played in Holland and in this period, American rock9n9roll found itself a new face. The new heroes are called the Strokes and the White Stripes and they reinvented rock n9 roll for the 1000th time, convincingly showing us that nothing is more fun than playing in a band. This is all very nice, but without Guided By Voices the Strokes wouldn9t even exist today because this Dayton - Ohio group around singer/songwriter Robert Pollard is THE influence (together with the Velvet Underground) for this new generation of American guitarpop bands. If you see Guided By Voices play you just wanna start a band to. Pollard, a friendly 40-ish guy, may have a drinkers-reputation, his energetic determination is impressive. Night after night he plays 2.5 hour sets stuffed with up to 50 songs selected from his oeuvre that contains hundreds of songs. This is how it went down on Saturday in the oddly enough not sold-out Paradiso. Hit after hit9 joked Pollard, who receives little or no airplay for his wonderful songs in the daytime. The songs from his cult-classics Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and from his immensely under-appreciated Do The Collapse sound even more abashing than on the records. GBV outgrew the lo-fi stage from which it originally got its status years ago. No self-absorbed lo-fi, but solid loud rock9n9roll, that9s what Guided By Voices stands for these days. Pollard made lasso-moves with his microphone like a Roger Daltrey and danced around on one leg, gushing a can of beer down his throat after each song. This was a lesson in rock9n9roll like nobody else could give. Including the eleven song setlist9 Strokes. Cheers! Here9s to eleven songs a week9 Bob. Oddly, only after about ten songs did GBV gain full momentum and while the show progressed the audience9s enchantment grew and grew. At the end of the show they played a Who and a Beatles song, a tribute to the two groups that were models for GBV. At the time they played these two covers they had proved beyond a doubt: Guided by voices are the best rock9n9roll band in the world. We never heard anybody sing A hard day9s night like Pollard did. But please, uncle Bob, don9t stay away for five years again, we need you here! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #278 *******************************