From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #277 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] just a reminder [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] television track listings ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] 2 useful downloads...... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] ["Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] Keith Astbury wrote: > surely by now he's gary oldman? > > dan Hahahaha! God I hate his performance in Leon. WHAT IS HE DOING! Over-rated movie all round imo. I'm assuming you mean 'Leon 'the professional'? I have the extended version and,although it wasn't a film of 'substance' I thought it a rather 'touching' love story none the less.........3D's Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:37:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] i believe... ...it is our man in the south, Dan Bailey's birthday....all the best to you Dan RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] i believe... Have a great day Dan.........Virgo's rule! Ari RLynn9@aol.com wrote:From: RLynn9@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:37:21 EDT Subject: [idealcopy] i believe... To: idealcopy@smoe.org ...it is our man in the south, Dan Bailey's birthday....all the best to you Dan RL Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:47:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn > but we all know that the cd media costs about 20 times less > than dvd. Really? Production costs should be broadly similar. It's only the laws of supply and demand that make a difference. As DVD sales grow, the price comes down. DVD+R blanks are now around #1 each bought in bulk, while CDR blanks are below 20p. That gap is closing rapidly. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > but we all know that the cd media costs about 20 times less > than dvd. Really? Production costs should be broadly similar. It's only the laws of supply and demand that make a difference. As DVD sales grow, the price comes down. DVD+R blanks are now around #1 each bought in bulk, while CDR blanks are below 20p. That gap is closing rapidly. Mark The last 350 cd-r's I have obtained over the past 3 months were,after mail-in-rebate,free,thanx to office depot promotions............Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:26:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] i believe... don't they just? much thanks. & back at you -- yesterday was yours (& perhaps colin's?), n'est-ce pas? as i've likely mentioned before, back in little rock i sat in the midst of no less than 4 colleagues -- the state editor, his assistant (both born the same year), a copy desk slot editor (precisely 2 days older than me) & a rather younger & ah, comely city hall reporter -- who were all born on the 15th (cue excellent wire song). dan >Have a great day Dan.........Virgo's rule! Ari > >RLynn9@aol.com wrote:From: RLynn9@aol.com >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:37:21 EDT >Subject: [idealcopy] i believe... >To: idealcopy@smoe.org > >...it is our man in the south, Dan Bailey's birthday....all the best to you >Dan > >RL >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:40:30 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] television track listings From www.pitchforkmedia.com: Television Reissues Have Tracklists Despite coroner's evidence, group still harbors irrational fear of being shot by Elvis [Posted Tuesday, September 16th, 2003 04:00:00 Pitchfork Central Time] Rod Waterman reports: As we reported here on these hallowed pages back in August, the mighty Television are back in all kinds of exciting ways. Rhino is reissuing their first two albums, the (dare we say) revolutionary Marquee Moon and the slightly less revolutionary but nevertheless completely remarkable Adventure, both on September 23rd. We're pleased to announce that they now have confirmed tracklists, so you can start to salivate with more particularity. It's gonna be so cool to have a decent version of "Little Johnny Jewel" instead of the pretty crappy version that you've only so far been able to get on the live, slightly expensive and not-very-high-quality Blow Up. Tracklists: Marquee Moon: 01 See No Evil 02 Venus 03 Friction 04 Marquee Moon 05 Elevation 06 Guiding Light 07 Prove It 08 Torn Curtain 09 Little Johnny Jewel (Parts 1 & 2) 10 See No Evil [alternate version] 11 Friction [alternate version] 12 Marquee Moon [alternate version] 13 Untitled [instrumental] Adventure: 01 Glory 02 Days 03 Foxhole 04 Careful 05 Carried Away 06 Fire 07 Ain't That Nothin' 08 The Dream's Dream 09 Adventure [previously unreleased] 10 Ain't That Nothin' [single version] 11 Glory [early version] And we can now confirm that the tracklist we reported for the reissued, or rather long-bootlegged and now officially available Live at the Old Waldorf (previously known amongst the 'leggers as Live Adventures, was indeed correct. That album is released at the same time as the reissues, but will only be available online through specialty imprint Rhino Handmade. Tracklist: 01 The Dream's Dream 02 Venus 03 Foxhole 04 Careful 05 Ain't That Nothin' 06 Friction 07 Marquee Moon 08 Satisfaction 09 Little Johnny Jewel We also reported a handful of 2003 shows by New York's finest, which has now been augmented by an additional gig at the Henry Fonda Theater in Los Angeles on September 30th. And as if all of that isn't enough (and aside from the reissue of 1987's Flashlight, which we also told you about back in August), Tom Verlaine's 1990 solo effort The Wonder is also getting remastered/ reissued in the UK on September 22nd. As David Byrne once kind of said: "Damn, that Television. Don't get upset." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:48:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] NME RIP As the NME finally gives up its status as a newspaper to become a magazine, I think it only appropriate to draw attention to the interview with the late, great Ian MacDonald on the halcyon days of the 70s NME here: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/0109_gorman_imac.html Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] 2 useful downloads...... 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:39:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP > As the NME finally gives up its status as a newspaper to become a > magazine Finally did the once-unthinkable a couple of months ago, and cancelled my order (bizarrely the newsagents closed down a few weeks later!). Don't miss it at all (the NME that is, Mr & Mrs Hill were very pleasant). I almost put it down to age - 42yr old's aren't part of their target audience admittedly - but 'de kids' seem to think it's bollocks too. You would have thought they'd learnt their lesson from ther Melody Maker. Anyone read the Kevin Rowland interview in Word magazine? Not sure calling your new band Dexy's MR is the right move, but maybe the name might give him some of his former confidence (or arrogance). Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:44:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] > I'm assuming you mean 'Leon 'the professional'? I have the extended version and,although it wasn't a film of 'substance' I thought it a rather 'touching' love story none the less.........3D's Dunno, it was just called Leon over here. Got rave reviews at the time, but despite a promising start I couldn't see what all the fuss was about. Oldham's OTT performance belonged in a different film! K. PS Happy Birthday Dan B! NP Send ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:11:23 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re: NME RIP I think ICP Media is in some trouble as they have closed down Muzik magazine as well. I used to turn to them for dance music info, but towards the end it had turned into rubbish even the kids wouldn't buy. I only found out about it when I tried going to the Muzik site, but was redirected to NME. wnd3 - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > As the NME finally gives up its status as a > newspaper to become a > > magazine > > Finally did the once-unthinkable a couple of months > ago, and cancelled my > order (bizarrely the newsagents closed down a few > weeks later!). Don't miss > it at all (the NME that is, Mr & Mrs Hill were very > pleasant). > > I almost put it down to age - 42yr old's aren't part > of their target > audience admittedly - but 'de kids' seem to think > it's bollocks too. You > would have thought they'd learnt their lesson from > ther Melody Maker. > > Anyone read the Kevin Rowland interview in Word > magazine? Not sure calling > your new band Dexy's MR is the right move, but maybe > the name might give him > some of his former confidence (or arrogance). > > Keith ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:12:21 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn i wrote: >> but we all know that the cd media costs about 20 times less >> than dvd. In a message dated 9/17/03 11:48:33 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Really? Production costs should be broadly similar. It's only the laws >of >supply and demand that make a difference. yeah, i meant retail cost to the consumer. >As DVD sales grow, the price >comes >down. > >DVD+R blanks are now around #1 each bought in bulk, while CDR blanks are >below 20p. That gap is closing rapidly. did i say 20x less? i meant to say 10...um, ur...make that 5. i'm gonna click 'send' now and maybe by the time the list receives this message they'll both cost the same :o) - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:40:00 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME RIP On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:39:36PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > As the NME finally gives up its status as a newspaper to become a > > magazine > > Finally did the once-unthinkable a couple of months ago, and cancelled my > order (bizarrely the newsagents closed down a few weeks later!). Don't miss > it at all (the NME that is, Mr & Mrs Hill were very pleasant). > > I almost put it down to age - 42yr old's aren't part of their target > audience admittedly - but 'de kids' seem to think it's bollocks too. You > would have thought they'd learnt their lesson from ther Melody Maker. > Data point: I'm 20 years younger than the illustrious Mr. Astbury, and I stopped reading about the same time he did. It's crap. We could, collectively, do a much better job. Some of us (eg Bill) already *are*. - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:20:42 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] Originally the film released in the USA was called Leon. When it came out on DVD it was retiled Leon the Professional, with about 35 minutes of extra footage added. It was all inserted in the middle of the film and extended Leon's training of Natalie to be a hitman and her participating in jobs. Much more morally disturbing than the original American cut, but it improved the film tremendously. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Ari Britt" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why is this person on the list? [WAS: LAST CHANCE...] > > I'm assuming you mean 'Leon 'the professional'? I have the extended > version and,although it wasn't a film of 'substance' I thought it a rather > 'touching' love story none the less.........3D's > > Dunno, it was just called Leon over here. Got rave reviews at the time, but > despite a promising start I couldn't see what all the fuss was about. > Oldham's OTT performance belonged in a different film! > > K. > > PS Happy Birthday Dan B! > > NP Send ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:12:12 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn >>> but we all know that the cd media costs about 20 times less >>> than dvd. >> Really? Production costs should be broadly similar. It's only the laws >> of >> supply and demand that make a difference. > yeah, i meant retail cost to the consumer. >> As DVD sales grow, the price comes down. >> DVD+R blanks are now around #1 each bought in bulk, while CDR blanks are >> below 20p. That gap is closing rapidly. > did i say 20x less? i meant to say 10...um, ur...make that 5. i'm gonna click > 'send' now and maybe by the time the list receives this message they'll both > cost the same :o) I'm not sure how much more DVD production costs are, but there are extras. As I just learned (working for a DVD production company) what's really expensive is the making of subtitles (all done by freelancers). Most American DVD's include only Spanish subtitles, but all European have multiple ones. The navigation/menu on some DVD can be quite expensive. The costs can vary enormously. E.g. "hip" producers like London based The Pavement (nothing to do with Pavement-the-rockband) take a big toll on the budget. I've got their "The Essential Clash". http://www.the-pavement.com I get quite disappointed looking at what's availlable on DVD. There so much garbage (nothing to do with Garbage-the-rockband) around. It can be such a wonderfull medium, but the possibilities often seem terribly underused. Anybody has any examples of really innovative DVD productions? Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #277 *******************************