From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #275 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] new releases [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] new releases [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] c.d purchases...... ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Cauty in the act ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl ["Keith Astbury" >>I may be old-fashioned here, but I see cd-r's like taping albums in the > past. You get copies either to > > a) try it out > > b) you like it but not enough to actually want to buy it > > c) it's otherwise unavailable<< Agreed. then try and buy a secondhand copy. Buying new is increasingly a last resort, though I still succumb pretty regularly! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:43:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... > I left the whole music thing." > He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. So what was that performance at the M25 Barbican thing that Wire also plyed last year then? A Jimmy Cauty tribute band? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:51:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new releases > >>In fact I'm buying more product than I used to simply because I'm hearing > more > material and exploring more stuff, linked with the reduction in CD > prices in the UK - I now find in London that I can pick most new > releases up for a tenner and the likes of Fopp has had a galvanizing > effect on my back catalogue purchases - it's hard to resist something > for a fiver.<< Me too. Unfortunately this argument seems to be completely ignored by the record industry. To what extent anoraks like us compensate for mass-copying of J-Lo's album is another matter. And sueing your customers is much more fun. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:53:32 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] c.d purchases...... >Last one I bought was a 3 c.d remaster/rare of Peter Tosh titled Honorary >Citizen....I only buy 7-8 a year these days,it's time the c.d industry >realized that folk don't buy 'cause they're over-priced. i managed to spend over 70 quid the other week on sale cd's....6 quid each, about a dozen cd's... don't buy an awful lot of new ones because of the extortionate prices...last couple have been Guided By Voices' Earthquake Glue...and Terry Hall & Mushtaq's The Hour Of Two Lights...(have i mentioned how great this yet...??? oh yes, i think i have...) (^_^) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:59:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Australia report!! > >>Read and Burn [they mean Send!!] is out now and a DVD will be released > in the British Autumn. << > > Hmmm..... > > What can this be??? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Cauty in the act Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:25:36 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... In a message dated 9/14/03 3:16:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It > was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some > ideas." > //////this would be the same jimmy cauty who played at the ian sinclair thing at the barbican earlier this year , right? p ))) Yep, that's the one. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:08:33 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cauty in the act hey kids, living proof of the dangers of drug abuse.... you have been warned....go ahead.... ian.s.j. >From: Fergus Kelly >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Cauty in the act >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:25:36 EDT >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... > >In a message dated 9/14/03 3:16:20 PM GMT Daylight >Time, RLynn9@aol.com >writes: > > > He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It > > was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some > > ideas." > > > >//////this would be the same jimmy cauty who played at > >the ian sinclair thing >at the barbican earlier this year , right? p > >))) Yep, that's the one. > >Fergus > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:52 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] birthdays & Johnny Cash AT Keith writ.... >> Aside from Alasdair Roberts' 'Farewell Sorrow' (which I mention only to upset Alistair again, really) No Keith, don't mention that tosspot in the same breath as the great Johnny Cash... 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PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Ian Grant wrote: > Ah, you see...while you're waiting for Dizzee Rascal's US release, I'm > eagerly awaiting for Aesop's UK release in a couple of weeks, so thanks > for the preview! Oh, I imagine it's coming out the same time here. I just happened on a promo copy. I imagine it's all over Soulseek by now too, if you can't wait. (Speaking of which, I heard someone play the Dizzee Rascal track from the new Basement Jaxx album and it sounded great.) The lyrics seem less serious than Labor Days, which is too bad. His stuff is so dense that having a point other than "I'm cool" makes it easier to piece together. On the other hand, there's a hell of a lot to listen to on Bazooka Tooth that I haven't absorbed yet. > That figures. For me, it's remarkable to hear someone creating records > that demand (and reward) such repeated attention, for even the hip-hop > that I've loved in recent years has been comparatively > straightforward...or, as with Anticon, an instinctive experience. For a while I bought *every* Anticon record I saw because there seemed to be no pattern to what was good. The bad stuff wore me down, unfortunately, though I'll still get anything with Doseone on it. Can't wait for the second cLOUDDEAD (finished but not coming out until 2004, I think). a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:19:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl > > I suspect he means the ex-Spice Girl (Scary!), last spotted introducing a > > Michael Jackson top 10 on the telly. > > Wasn't (isn't) she married to some Dutch dancer? Don't be coy, Bart. We know it's you ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:38:45 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl >> Wasn't (isn't) she married to some Dutch dancer? > Don't be coy, Bart. We know it's you ; ) Years ago since I moved the ol' feet, but how much would you say she's worth? ;-) Still... I'm more... interested... in her vagina... ...monologues Bart (slow talker) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:39:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl In a message dated 9/15/03 11:16:43 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > I suspect he means the ex-Spice Girl (Scary!), last spotted introducing > a > > > Michael Jackson top 10 on the telly. > > > > Wasn't (isn't) she married to some Dutch dancer? > > Don't be coy, Bart. We know it's you ; ) > Twinkle Toes VanDamme RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:43:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] birthdays & Johnny Cash Ha! It worked! Another the Keith [sorry Alistair] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alistair Tear Sent: 15 September 2003 14:21 To: Wire (E-mail) Subject: [idealcopy] birthdays & Johnny Cash AT Keith writ.... >> Aside from Alasdair Roberts' 'Farewell Sorrow' (which I mention only to upset Alistair again, really) No Keith, don't mention that tosspot in the same breath as the great Johnny Cash... 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I. Futures, Si Begg, Sonexuno, Sonic Groove, Frankie Bones, Adam X, Heather Heart, Bridewell Taxis, Lakuna, Throwing Muses, Lords of Acid, Praga Khan, Frank De Wulf, HPF, Ultramarine, 5-ziq, Herbert, Dr. Rockit, Carl Cox, Advent, Thompson Twins, Babble, Spooky, Plus 8, Josh Wink, Christian Vogel, Stasis, Neil Landstrumm, et al. See it all at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=electrowave s Thank you in advance for forwarding this message to potentially interested parties! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:10:05 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: used/new, buy & burn i'd say i buy at least two used cds to every one new one. In a message dated 9/14/03 10:42:40 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >I don't see anything unethical about buying used CD's, though. I think >of it this way: If someone buys, for example, the new Killing Joke CD, >then they are, in a sense, purchasing a license to listen to that music. >If this person sells the new Killing Joke to a used CD store, then they >are >simply transferring that license to someone else. They no longer have >the >license to listen to the Killing Joke music, but someone else does. > By >comparison, if you burn CD-R's of music, then you're wrongly creating new >licenses to listen to a particular album as opposed to simply tranferring >the license to someone else. that's a neat way of looking at it. storeowners have also told me that they buy new copies of cds they've sold used, so in a way it ends up supporting the artists too. >I generally refrain from making CD-R's from music files. Actually, I >haven't actively downloaded mp3's since the demise of Audiogalaxy over >a >year ago; I haven't bothered downloading Kaaza. I simply got tired of >looking for mp3's that didn't have piss poor sound quality. I also got >tired of downloading mp3's only to discover that the mp3 was an entirely >different band altogether. I could spend a couple of hours sifting >through decent mp3's to make the "perfect" copy of Wire - Send, of course, >but, I figure that, on a time/money scale, I'm better off spending the >money >to buy the official CD than wasting time putting mp3's together. i download for a different reason. there are the new artists who i like to hear before i go out and buy. i bought new cds by calla, the walkmen, liars, and radio 4 after already having mp3's of several songs. i just wanna know that i like it enough to buy it first. then there are old recordings by artists whom i personally feel can live without my 15 bucks, and deceased artists whose songs are owned by god knows who and probably don't deserve my money either. and then there are the songs you just can't find anywhere, and if i did i'd probably buy them. i have three versions of the hucklebuck, including the kay starr recording, which i think is the one that was featured on the honeymooners. >I am glad that CD's are going down in price, as they do cost entirely too >much. >The other day, I spent $12.99 apiece for the British Sea Power and for >the >new Frank Black, but I also purchased Halloween on DVD for less than >that...a brand new DVD as well. When DVD's are cheaper than CD's, then >that's probably a signal that the industry should do something different. well, definitely when it comes to material cost. i don't know what dvd cases generally cost, but we all know that the cd media costs about 20 times less than dvd. but there's the fact that movies are released in theaters, then to video and cable, etc., and now that the old movies are seeing a new life on dvd, it makes sense to sell em cheap. new music sees only a cd release in most cases, and old music has only made the rounds on vinyl or cassette before getting a second shot. now that we're seeing cds get reissued (as per recent discussion), it would be really nice if those cds were sold at a more reasonable price than what i usually see them at. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:09:56 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) In a message dated 9/14/03 10:50:21 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >I will wear earplugs during a loud Mogwai >set or during a Spiritualized show, but I may not wear them if I attend >a >concert of acoustic guitar music or at an outdoor show where I'm far from > >the stage. You do have a good analogy as far as attending shows where >the >volume level is equally high at all of them. It's probably better to > >wear earplugs at every show regardless. i wouldn't wear them at an acoustic performance or outdoors from a distance either, only when the sound is amplified and loud. when i was first injured i did wear them all the time because i needed to be protected in case of a sudden unexpected loud noise. cheers to yer ears, paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:51:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bostonism well, just in case there aren't any bostonians present... i'm a new yorker and haven't been to boston in maybe 10 years, BUT... my one recommendation would be to go record shopping around harvard square in cambridge. newbury comics was the big place for used records way back when, and i'm pretty sure they're still there (and possible a tad pricey). a better store was second coming, but i don't think they're there anymore. i would ask someone in one of the shops for restaurant recommendations. cheers, paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:56:11 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] response to a KJ review Robert Wrote: >thought i'd pass along a recent response (that my brother wrote) to a recent >review of the new Killing Joke album....REMEMBER, THESE AREN'T MY WORDS SO >DON'T ATTACK ME... If his comments were written in response to a "review" written by a certain Manchester based anal-retentive fanzine writer with no sense of humour, who we all know and love/hate, then I can only say that The Brother Lynn is a genius, and has written, for my money, the post of the year, albeit indirectly. I believe that a few weeks back same Manchester based Fanzine editor claimed that all those who dare slag off the aformentioned band would be somehow "cursed" by JAZ (And just How fuckin 80s is that nickname?) and his gothic pals. Having caught a glimpse of said Fanzine writers Badly Drawn Boy-esque BEARD recently I feel that nothing Killing Joke could bestow upon me could be quite so horrible as that experience. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] birthdays & Johnny Cash Alistair Tear wrote: AT Keith writ.... >> Aside from Alasdair Roberts' 'Farewell Sorrow' (which I mention only to upset Alistair again, really) No Keith, don't mention that tosspot in the same breath as the great Johnny Cash...A ........... You just did Alistair! ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl Bart van Damme wrote:Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:38:45 +0200 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news >> Wasn't (isn't) she married to some Dutch dancer? > Don't be coy, Bart. We know it's you ; ) Years ago since I moved the ol' feet, but how much would you say she's worth? ;-) Still... I'm more... interested... in her vagina... ...monologues Bart (slow talker)Too busy comming up for air?(are we disgusting or what?) Airy Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #275 *******************************