From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #274 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 274 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] tinnitus... [Massproduktion ] Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] response to a KJ review [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Colin Newman, Halo, Edvard Graham Lewis, Cabaret Voltaire, et al. [Gescom@a] [idealcopy] Biosphere, Fischerspooner, Richard Kirk, Isolee, et al. [Gesc] [idealcopy] ON SALE: Cabaret Voltaire rarities [Gescom@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... ["Tim ****" ] [idealcopy] Rema Rema ["Tim ****" ] Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl [Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) > take care of your ears. you only get one pair. > > -paul c.d. Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I've had that ringing noise after loads of gigs obviously (a Damned gig in Chester in '79 is one that sticks in my mind, getting dropped off in a cab and walking up our street, pissed, ears ringing - my mate who'd watched the set from the side of the sound guy, said he'd seen him just push all the levels up to 10. And so on...) But thankfully - touch wood - the ringing goes... My concern is less to do with any permanent ringing, more that when I sometimes have things on what I consider loud, others think it's LOUD (Or they think it's loud when I don't). And obviously I think back to my teenage years and my parents saying "you'll go deaf". (My dad's just about to have hearing aids. I just hope I can make it 72 before I need them). The other problem I have is when I'm out in a bar or club, and there's loud music on and folk are chattting to me. I find it pretty hard to tune into what they're saying (the interval at the Barbie is an example that springs to mind. Bill saying "I'm Graeme" and I'm thinking who's Brian!). So if there's a group of us in such circs I tend to stop making the effort and just let everyone get on with it (and let others get a word in for a change!) I've never ever seen earplugs on sale though. Keith > > www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:42:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) > I've never ever seen earplugs on sale though. At a gig I mean. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:14:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] yawn..... Jimmy Cauty - 'Silent Night' available for a day KLF Extras KLF STAR RETURNS TO MARK 9/11 ANNIVERSARY KLF founding member JIMMY CAUTY has released a download as THE BLACKSMOKE ORGANISATION in memory of the 9/11 WORLD TRADE CENTER attacks two years ago. 'Silent Night' will only be available online for today (September 11) after which it will deleted forever. The track is available for download at www.blacksmoke.org/911.htm "I recorded the track a while ago and a few days ago I realised it was going to be the 9/11 anniversary. We wanted to respond to what was going on," he told Australian website undercover.com.au. "Blacksmoke is an occasional art collective and musical group." He added: "We have just done an EP called 'Fuck The Fucking Fuckers'. It is a concept EP, the concept being fuck America basically and fuck weapons of mass destruction." Cauty explained: "It is like a protest record. It is kind of record that you would want to put on if you are going to go out on a riot. We do feel quite angry about what has been going on with the war." Artwork for the download, which features postage-stamp styled images of the Queen wearing a military gas mark appeared on the front cover of The Times last June. Despite rumours, former KLF collaborator and political activist Bill Drummond was not involved with 'Silent Night'. Cauty also revealed that there are no plans in the near future to reform the band who famously burnt #1 million. "I do work with Bill on other projects but we are not going to reform or anything like that, he said. "Maybe at the end of the world we might do a gig. There are no plans at the moment. I left the whole music thing." He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some ideas." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:41:10 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #273 >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:48:54 EDT >From: Tisbili@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] (no subject) > >I'm curious...how frequently do listmembers buy new releases? I know I'm >not >doing my part to save the record industry from file sharers. > >billE I buy new releases more than I probably should. I bought the U.S. release of British Sea Power and the new Frank Black And The Catholics album this past week. On Tuesday, I'll probably buy the new David Bowie album if the price is right. Next week, I'll definitely be purchasing the new OutKast, as their past albums are excellent as far as the more experimental hip-hop goes and the songs that I've heard from the new OutKast are spot-on. This September is a bit hectic as far as that goes, though. I usually only buy one new release a month or so. I don't see anything unethical about buying used CD's, though. I think of it this way: If someone buys, for example, the new Killing Joke CD, then they are, in a sense, purchasing a license to listen to that music. If this person sells the new Killing Joke to a used CD store, then they are simply transferring that license to someone else. They no longer have the license to listen to the Killing Joke music, but someone else does. By comparison, if you burn CD-R's of music, then you're wrongly creating new licenses to listen to a particular album as opposed to simply tranferring the license to someone else. I generally refrain from making CD-R's from music files. Actually, I haven't actively downloaded mp3's since the demise of Audiogalaxy over a year ago; I haven't bothered downloading Kaaza. I simply got tired of looking for mp3's that didn't have piss poor sound quality. I also got tired of downloading mp3's only to discover that the mp3 was an entirely different band altogether. I could spend a couple of hours sifting through decent mp3's to make the "perfect" copy of Wire - Send, of course, but, I figure that, on a time/money scale, I'm better off spending the money to buy the official CD than wasting time putting mp3's together. I am glad that CD's are going down in price, as they do cost entirely too much. The other day, I spent $12.99 apiece for the British Sea Power and for the new Frank Black, but I also purchased Halloween on DVD for less than that...a brand new DVD as well. When DVD's are cheaper than CD's, then that's probably a signal that the industry should do something different. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:49:54 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:27:43 EDT >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) > >i dunno. can you equate that to only wearing a condom when the girl is >really >hot, or when you're only having sex once a month or so? > Not necessarily. For example, I will wear earplugs during a loud Mogwai set or during a Spiritualized show, but I may not wear them if I attend a concert of acoustic guitar music or at an outdoor show where I'm far from the stage. You do have a good analogy as far as attending shows where the volume level is equally high at all of them. It's probably better to wear earplugs at every show regardless. >the temporary tinnitus you experience >after a concert results from the loudness dulling your hearing. when your >hearing >comes back, the ringing goes away. however, there is a good chance some of >those cells have been damaged, and over a period of time (with repeated >exposures >to loud noise) enough cells can be damaged to cause permanent hearing loss >and tinnitus. > That's a good point. When I said that the ears repair themselves after minor injury, I was referring to the temporary ringing that occurs after a loud concert and stressing the fact that I take measures to avoid repeat exposures, but this doesn't take into account the fact that the cells may become damaged permenantly after one loud show. On this, I stand corrected. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:07:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) I went to the hospital to get my ears tested a couple of years ago for precisely the reasons you list Keith - the family telling me I've got the TV on TOO LOUD, the fact that both my parents went deaf to some extent and the problems I have picking up conversations in crowded spaces. But I came away with pretty much a clean bill of health from quite a rigorous testing. The problems I have are largely down to age and probably some hereditary hearing loss. So it wasn't that Swans gig after all. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury My concern is less to do with any permanent ringing, more that when I sometimes have things on what I consider loud, others think it's LOUD (Or they think it's loud when I don't). And obviously I think back to my teenage years and my parents saying "you'll go deaf". (My dad's just about to have hearing aids. I just hope I can make it 72 before I need them). The other problem I have is when I'm out in a bar or club, and there's loud music on and folk are chattting to me. I find it pretty hard to tune into what they're saying (the interval at the Barbie is an example that springs to mind. Bill saying "I'm Graeme" and I'm thinking who's Brian!). So if there's a group of us in such circs I tend to stop making the effort and just let everyone get on with it (and let others get a word in for a change!) I've never ever seen earplugs on sale though. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:23:40 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] new releases Agree absolutely on the similarity to taping. It's just because a CD-R looks like the original and that some people can reproduce the packaging that makes it look more like an illicit copy - but it's really no different to having a tape in the impact it has on CD sales. In fact I'm buying more product than I used to simply because I'm hearing more material and exploring more stuff, linked with the reduction in CD prices in the UK - I now find in London that I can pick most new releases up for a tenner and the likes of Fopp has had a galvanizing effect on my back catalogue purchases - it's hard to resist something for a fiver. I buy new when I really like the artist - recently Elbow, Shack, Alasdair Roberts back-catalogue and I am awaiting the new Robert Wyatt like a kid a few weeks off Christmas. I also borrow from the library - this is a bit more haphazard, depending on librarian stock whim, but I've picked up some fairly non-mainstream stuff there in the last few years - Godspeed!, Handsome Family, Rufus Wainwright etc etc. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury If something's good enough, I'll buy it even if someone's already done me a copy. The last Suicide album is a case in point. I bought it even though I had it on cd-r. It was one of my fave albums of the year, Suicide are one of my all time fave acts, and it didn't seem right not to have it. I may be old-fashioned here, but I see cd-r's like taping albums in the past. You get copies either to a) try it out b) you like it but not enough to actually want to buy it c) it's otherwise unavailable not because you want all your music for free. Whilst I mightn't be botherd if certain record companies went bankrupt (apart from the loss of jobs), I would care if Suicide couldn't afford to make another album. Well that's my opinion anyway. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:53:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... > Jimmy Cauty - 'Silent Night' available for a day > KLF Extras > > KLF STAR RETURNS TO MARK 9/11 ANNIVERSARY Too late. It's gone. > He added: "We have just done an EP called 'Fuck The > Fucking Fuckers'. It is a concept EP, the concept > being fuck America basically and fuck weapons of mass > destruction." This brings to mind ex-Eng spin bowler John Emburey, who despite playing for one of the posher clubs (Middlesex, at Lords, 'home' of cricket!), could apparently swear like no other, and one day put just about as many swear words in one sentence as he possible could when he said "the fucking fucker's fucking fucked". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:10:10 +0200 From: Massproduktion Subject: [idealcopy] tinnitus... After attending thousand conserts during almost 30 years of concertgoing, Playing in bands for 15 years, working as a light engineer etc etc...I finally got tinnitus last year. But not at a consert. During a flight to Borneo... Later I have learned that the extra strong malaria pills I had to eat as I would proceed to Indonesia had (among other nice sideeffects as depression, hairloss etc) also could cause Tinnitus. I later visited an eardoctor and they said that I had the mildest form that could get better in 1-3 years time as long as I did not expose myself to strong sounds. So now its musicans earplugs everytime. But I must admit that it takes away some of the enjoyment. When I saw Wire in Stockholm this winter I took out one earplug. If I got one ear damage I thought I could live with that as long as I could feel the full force of wire live. Fantastic gig! All the best Mats - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Massproduktion, Box 377, S-851 06 Sundsvall, SWEDEN, phone +46 60 12 22 02, fax +46 60 61 90 31, web: http://www.massproduktion.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:25:36 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... In a message dated 9/14/03 3:16:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It > was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some > ideas." > //////this would be the same jimmy cauty who played at the ian sinclair thing at the barbican earlier this year , right? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:59:25 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... >This brings to mind ex-Eng spin bowler John Emburey, who despite playing >for >one of the posher clubs (Middlesex, at Lords, 'home' of cricket!), could >apparently swear like no other, and one day put just about as many swear >words in one sentence as he possible could when he said "the fucking >fucker's fucking fucked". no that IS fucking funny...unlike the KLF's new 'idea'....duh...ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:18:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] response to a KJ review thought i'd pass along a recent response (that my brother wrote) to a recent review of the new Killing Joke album....REMEMBER, THESE AREN'T MY WORDS SO DON'T ATTACK ME... > zzzzzzzzzzz.............I almost fell asleep reading that cheesy fanboy rev > iew. What always interests me are these anti-corporate proclamations. How > did this guy even hear the CD (which is pressed in a corporate factory on > PLASTIC)? Did he hear it on his SONY Cd player? How did he write that review? > On his DELL computer, using what INTERNET PROVIDER? Even if it was originally > written with pen/pencil and paper, what brands were they? Where did he eat > today? McDonald's...or did he get it from a GROCERY STORE which belongs to a > larger CHAIN of GROCERY STORES? Where was his food processed and what > preservatives where used? Are his clothes handmade? What BRAND are they? How > does he travel? By car, boat,plane........all of which are manufactured by > various CORPORATIONS. What company makes the SOAP you use when you take a > bath/shower? What WATER COMPANY do you get your WATER SERVICE from? Every royalty > check Jaz Coleman receives in the mail comes from a corporation, and he > willingly accepts. I really feel for Jaz in these kinds of situations, always > some nerd fan getting excited over a concept that has been around since the > beginning of civilization. Jaz is hardly a genius for pointing out what > thousands before him have. I would be willing to bet a million that Jaz would be > very upset at someone calling him a genius- as if he is separate from the rest > of us. I suspect he doesn't want to be above anyone, for any reason. > > Yes, even the mighty( I say this tongue-in-cheek) Jaz Coleman has to obey > the speed limit when he drives and pay his taxes or he will be arrested like > the rest of us. Bottom Line- We don't live in caves anymore- We ALL have to > follow rules, NONE of us are above them. NONE of us. Living in the year 2003 > (the last hundred years for that matter) it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid being a > consumer or "puppet" to a corporation. > When Killing Joke records or tours, they have to use electricity. It is > doubtful that a KJ roadie is using GAS-POWERED generators to give power to the > band. OOPS! Looky there, just coming up with that idea, I couldn't avoid > mentioning GAS. > I would like to close with this. I like Jaz Coleman very much. Have for > many years now. Please do not throw the word Genius around so much. Because > of people like the guy who wrote the review, the word Genius has lost a bit of > it's meaning. > > Finally, using Dave Grohl is the MOST CORPORATE thing you could do(and by > FAR the most BORING and UNINSPIRED drumming on ANY KJ record) and JAZ knows > this. What AIRLINE did Grohl use to fly to NZ to meet up with Jaz? What kinds > of MICROPHONES does JAZ use, what brand SYNTH's? Jaz OPENLY admitted he > smelled dollars hooking up with "Moldy Grohl" . We are all walking > contradictions. THIS is the Killing Joke! Return-path: From: Electrovelvet@aol.com Full-name: Electrovelvet Message-ID: <146.18b0a8d4.2c91fa97@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:19:35 EDT Subject: BC.........KJ To: RLynn9@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 zzzzzzzzzzz.............I almost fell asleep reading that cheesy fanboy review. What always interests me are these anti-corporate proclamations. How did this guy even here the CD (which is pressed in a corporate factory on PLASTIC )? Did he hear it on his SONY Cd player? How did he write that review? On his DELL computer, using what INTERNET PROVIDER? Even if it was originally written with pen/pencil and paper, what brands were they? Where did he eat today? McDonald's...or did he get it from a GROCERY STORE which belongs to a larger CHAIN of GROCERY STORES? Where was his food processed and what preservatives where used? Are his clothes handmade? What BRAND are they? How does he travel? By car, boat,plane........all of which are manufactured by various CORPORATIONS. What company makes the SOAP you use when you take a bath/shower? What WATER COMPANY do you get your WATER SERVICE from? Every royalty check Jaz Coleman receives in the mail comes from a corporation, and he willingly accepts. I really feel for Jaz in these kinds of situations, always some nerd fan getting excited over a concept that has been around since the beginning of civilization. Jaz is hardly a genius for pointing out what thousands before him have. I would be willing to bet a million that Jaz would be very upset at someone calling him a genius- as if he is separate from the rest of us. I suspect he doesn't want to be above anyone, for any reason. Yes, even the mighty( I say this tongue-in-cheek) Jaz Coleman has to obey the speed limit when he drives and pay his taxes or he will be arrested like the rest of us. Bottom Line- We don't live in caves anymore- We ALL have to follow rules, NONE of us are above them. NONE of us. Living in the year 2003 (the last hundred years for that matter) it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid being a consumer or "puppet" to a corporation. When Killing Joke records or tours, they have to use electricity. It is doubtful that a KJ roadie is using GAS-POWERED generators to give power to the band. OOPS! Looky there, just coming up with that idea, I couldn't avoid mentioning GAS. I would like to close with this. I like Jaz Coleman very much. Have for many years now. Please do not throw the word Genius around so much. Because of people like the guy who wrote the review, the word Genius has lost a bit of it's meaning. Finally, using Dave Grohl is the MOST CORPORATE thing you could do(and by FAR the most BORING and UNINSPIRED drumming on ANY KJ record) and JAZ knows this. What AIRLINE did Grohl use to fly to NZ to meet up with Jaz? What kinds of MICROPHONES does JAZ use, what brand SYNTH's? Jaz OPENLY admitted he smelled dollars hooking up with "Moldy Grohl" . We are all walking contradictions. THIS is the Killing Joke! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:50:27 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Colin Newman, Halo, Edvard Graham Lewis, Cabaret Voltaire, et al. Please pardon the interruption, but I wanted to let everyone know about the following Wire related items I have for sale currently on eBay (everything starts at *one cent*): - -1- Colin Newman, 'Voice' (Swim) [VVM_3] (out of print vinyl only EP from Wire frontman Colin Newman, superb vocals from Colin, TIP!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557324021 - -2- Halo, 'Eclipsed' (MNW Zone) [MNWMS_191] (out of print vinyl EP from Wire noisesmith Edvard Graham Lewis, features three LFO mixes, TIP!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557375044 - -3- Cabaret Voltaire, 'Nag Nag Nag' (The Grey Area of Mute) [12_CABS_19] (Mute labelmates of Wire, et al.) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557425640 This is just a very short list of over 90 items I currently have for sale on eBay. Forwarding of this e-mail to other interested parties would be very much appreciated! :) Best, R ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:52:20 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Biosphere, Fischerspooner, Richard Kirk, Isolee, et al. Currently for sale (and starting at just a *penny*): ABSOLUTELY BRAND NEW, NEVER PLAYED, WAY OUT OF PRINT, VERY HARD TO FIND, VINYL 2x12" GATEFOLD LP + CD: Various Artists, 'MGRS RMXS' (Migros) [ROLI_0023] made in Switzerland c.2000. This release features fourteen tracks, including cuts from Ovuca (Rephlex), Biosphere (Touch, R&S), Monolake, Richard H. Kirk (Cabaret Voltaire, et alii), Thomas Brinkmann (Max Earnst), Isolee (Playhouse), Mika Vainio (Touch), Cylob (Rephlex), and Fischerspooner (Gigolo). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557423260 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:55:45 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ON SALE: Cabaret Voltaire rarities Please pardon the interruption, but I wanted to let everyone know about the following Cabaret Voltaire related items I have for sale on eBay (everything starts at *one cent*): - -1- BCD/Biochemical Dread (Kirk), 'Bush Doctrine' (Cocosolidciti) [CSC_006] CD ABSOLUTELY BRAND NEW, STILL IN UNBROKEN SHRINK WRAP: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557300680 - -2- Chris Watson, 'Stepping Into the Dark' (Touch) [TO_27] CD BRAND NEW, MINT CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557314957 - -3- Citrus (Kirk), 'Adrenachrome' (Porky's Productions) [PORK_010] 12" USED, EXCELLENT CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557317900 - -4- Richard H. Kirk, 'Rare Kirk' (Unknown Label) [KIRK_1_CD] 2xCDR BOOTLEG LIKE NEW, ABSOLUTELY MINT CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557404155 - -5- Ku-ling Bros. (Stephen Mallinder), 'Systematic Hipster' (Off World Sounds) [OFFWORLD_7] 12" USED, VERY GOOD CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557408577 - -6- Various Artists (c/w exclusive Kirk), 'MGRS RMXS' (Migros) [ROLI_0023] 2x12" GATEFOLD LP + CD ABSOLUTELY BRAND NEW, NEVER PLAYED: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557423260 - -7- Cabaret Voltaire, 'Nag Nag Nag' (The Grey Area of Mute) [12_CABS_19] 12" BRAND NEW, PERFECT CONDITION, NEVER PLAYED: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557425640 - -8- Sonexuno, 'Alchemy' (Solid Pleasure) [SPLT_013] (c/w Kirk remix) 12" USED, EXCELLENT CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557447743 - -9- Ultramarine, 'Nightfall in Sweetleaf' (Dali/Chameleon) [66324] (c/w Sweet Exorcist (Kirk) mix) 12" USED, VERY GOOD CONDITION: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557720890 - -10- Various Artists, 'Wasted: The Best of Volume' (Volume) [BOV_MC_1] (c/w exclusive alternate mix of Cabaret Voltaire's 'Low Cool') 2xMC BRAND NEW, PERFECT CONDITION, STILL IN ORIGINAL SHRINK WRAP: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557724460 This is just a short list of over 90 items I currently have for sale on eBay. Best, Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:29:24 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] yawn..... If anyone has the 'Silent Night' mp3 please let me know... FFF mp3 is online at their site Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: RLynn9@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] yawn..... Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:14:51 EDT Jimmy Cauty - 'Silent Night' available for a day KLF Extras KLF STAR RETURNS TO MARK 9/11 ANNIVERSARY KLF founding member JIMMY CAUTY has released a download as THE BLACKSMOKE ORGANISATION in memory of the 9/11 WORLD TRADE CENTER attacks two years ago. 'Silent Night' will only be available online for today (September 11) after which it will deleted forever. The track is available for download at www.blacksmoke.org/911.htm "I recorded the track a while ago and a few days ago I realised it was going to be the 9/11 anniversary. We wanted to respond to what was going on," he told Australian website undercover.com.au. "Blacksmoke is an occasional art collective and musical group." He added: "We have just done an EP called 'Fuck The Fucking Fuckers'. It is a concept EP, the concept being fuck America basically and fuck weapons of mass destruction." Cauty explained: "It is like a protest record. It is kind of record that you would want to put on if you are going to go out on a riot. We do feel quite angry about what has been going on with the war." Artwork for the download, which features postage-stamp styled images of the Queen wearing a military gas mark appeared on the front cover of The Times last June. Despite rumours, former KLF collaborator and political activist Bill Drummond was not involved with 'Silent Night'. Cauty also revealed that there are no plans in the near future to reform the band who famously burnt #1 million. "I do work with Bill on other projects but we are not going to reform or anything like that, he said. "Maybe at the end of the world we might do a gig. There are no plans at the moment. I left the whole music thing." He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some ideas." _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:33:53 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: [idealcopy] Rema Rema It might of been mentioned but theres' a cd issue of Rema Rema's 'Wheel in Roses' on the 4Ad site for sale, complete with (small) posters of the era. Also Mute are having a mid-price sale until Oct. Tim _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:19:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my favourite spicegirl >> mel brooks or mel blank? either would be pretty cool to share your day >> with. > I suspect he means the ex-Spice Girl (Scary!), last spotted introducing a > Michael Jackson top 10 on the telly. Wasn't (isn't) she married to some Dutch dancer? I heard she participated in The Vagina Monologues, true? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:48:21 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Wire in Australia report!! G'day Ideal Copyists! Some Wire related news from Oz--- 'Send' has had a local release (packaged in a jewel case rather than the UK 'digipack'. I must say the artwork doesn't stand up well to this treament. The insert is a folded sheet with the 'finger' on the front and the 'helix' design on the rear fold. The insert unfolds to.........nothing, but black ink). There are even some ads and promotion in the local press. Unheard of for years!! I attach the text of a Colin interview I found in a copy of the Sydney strret press rag "The Brag" (complete with errors about the name of the new release). It has a couple of interesting bits of information: 1. Wire might be coming to Australia!!!! I have been in contact as well with a promoter over here who claims to be currently negotiating for a 'tour', and it is nice to see some confirmation for Colin that it might happen. Very exciting news, indeed. 2. The article mentions the possiblity of a 'Send' DVD in the 'British Autumn'. Does anyone know about this? 3. Wire on the 'US Shortlist of Music' nominated by Josh Homme. what's the story here? The article text follows. Phillip from Australia WIRED TO SOUND The Legends Speak Out About Being Old Men On Stage. By Bronagh Murphy What, you interviewed Wire? Have they been stupid enough to steal there own name from the real Wire? Err, no, I interviewed the real Wire. Oh my God. The seminal, 70s, art-school punk band. The creators of the most perfect pop tunes.The influencers and heroes of countless musicians since? The fucking legends that are Wire? You heard me. Wow. Which one did you talk to? What did he sound like? Guitarist/vocalist Colin Newman actually, and he sounds like a very clever man. Not dissimilar to what you might expect a middle-aged professor lecturing at a well-respected liberal arts college to sound like. Until by his own admission, he gets on stage with Wire and becomes one of some very old men making a lot of fucking noise. People are shocked that we can still do it live. Its very powerful. We put it across with some conviction. Wire emerged from the British punk explosion in 1976 and, from the outset, wooed critics with originality and maintained a distance from any scene or category. With a talent for self-invention, they showed an admirable willingness to stop recording indefinitely when ideas dried up. They went into hibernation in 1980 to reform sporadically in the years since. Their latest renaissance began in 2000 when they were asked to perform at a Living Legends series of concerts in London. It was a big deal to be asked and it involved a big cheque. The time felt right. Rock seemed to be moving into a more dominant phase, explains Newman. In 2000/01 we were interested in reinventing rock music. It was an amazing period. It seemed there was a new rock to tear us apart. The Brooklyn scene was very exciting, although a lot of it didnt turn out to be very good. Wire took it upon themselves to show em how its done and stepped back into the recording studio. 2002 saw the release of completely new material in the form of Read And Burn 01, the first in a projected series of releases developed at Newmans Swim Studios. It didnt feel right to engage with a record company. A self generated, self funded product gave us a sense of power. Wire sounded like they were stomping all over their roots rather than nostalgically returning to them. Read and Burn 02 soon followed and 2003 sees the release of Send, a full length album containing brand new songs as well as Read and Burn material. Newman is delighted to find Wire on the US Shortlist of Music and finds it pretty amazing to have been nominated by Josh Holme vocalist/guitarist of the Queens Of The Stone Age. Its an honour, and it says something about the influence Send has had in the US. Sound engineers who have been working with a lot of bands over there have reported back to us that we have had quite an impact. A trip to Australia is definitely under discussion. We would love to come over. Australia is a culture I dont really understand and would like to see what makes it tick. Prohibitive costs and the bands unwillingness to hitch its wagon to a record company will inhibit massive touring. Read and Burn [they mean Send!!] is out now and a DVD will be released in the British Autumn. All on their own terms. All fully self released. We can communicate directly to a lot of people through our website which is in the spirit of the times. Newman feels that he is incredibly lucky to do what he does and make money from it. True to past form the mainstream holds no interest for him. The music industry is in crisis about where its going. Normal standards are dead and people who lack conviction are putting out shit that appeals to no one over fourteen. Young adults have the time and income to investigate the underground and word of mouth. It is hard for the industry to market into that. Wire are surviving and thriving. This is a man who is passionate about his art and unlikely to compromise, something that has been crucial to Wires longevity and continued relevance. We have to work to a certain standard. What works is what doesnt suck to the discerning listener. Wires latest release Read and Burn 03 is out now [ooops!!] - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Search - - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #274 *******************************