From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #273 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 273 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Wire birthdays.......you're wrong Mark...... ["John Rober] [idealcopy] (no subject) [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: birthdays - John Ritter dead [Tisbili@aol.com] [idealcopy] c.d purchases...... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: birthdays - John Ritter dead [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] Re: birthday bollocks ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Golden Earring (was birthday bollocks) [Bart van Damme] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Killing Joke ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] (no subject) ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] new releases ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Wire & EMI discs...explain it to me again [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) ["Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire birthdays.......you're wrong Mark...... Ooops. Typo. Sorry. John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: Ari Britt >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Wire birthdays.......you're wrong Mark...... >Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:42:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Mark wrote..... > >Colin - 16 September 1953 - Salisbury,The big five-oh on Tuesday! > A certain amount of partying in SW19 no doubt.... > Mark< > >It sez in MY copy of Everybody loves a history that Colin was born >1954..........not '53.......Ari >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:48:54 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] (no subject) alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > he thought it was a 'new' release I'm curious...how frequently do listmembers buy new releases? I know I'm not doing my part to save the record industry from file sharers. I basically only buy used. I'm trying to remember the last new release I bought. billE - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- r (all used) p: dr didg - funky didgeridoo mbm - actual sounds +voices; original fire toddrundgren/utopia - ooops wrong planet deep dish - yoshiesque micheal penn - march nuyorican soul clash on broadway - disc three mick harvey - intoxicated man datsuns buckethead - bucketheadland echobelly - on king tubby - sweeten dub covered in black - industrial acts cover ac/dc dirty vegas sound system recoil - unsound methods homage to neu lovage - music to make love to your old lady to some singles: ebtg temperamental; gorillaz; unkle; moby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:52:13 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: birthdays - John Ritter dead on the off chance that i've somehow acquired some sort of macabre, mystical > power, let me quickly type ... george w bush. paul wolfowitz donald rumsfeld and ann coulter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] c.d purchases...... Tisbili@aol.com wrote: I'm curious...how frequently do listmembers buy new releases? I know I'm not doing my part to save the record industry from file sharers. I basically only buy used. I'm trying to remember the last new release I bought. billE - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Last one I bought was a 3 c.d remaster/rare of Peter Tosh titled Honorary Citizen....I only buy 7-8 a year these days,it's time the c.d industry realized that folk don't buy 'cause they're over-priced. The other day I purchased the sci-fi movie Dark City on dvd for a friend,directed by Alex Proyas this is imho the best sci-fi movie since Blade Runner,it's only 5 years old and runs for an hour and a half-cost? $5.99 (at best buy). I can go to any c.d store to purchase 40 miserable minutes of music that's 20 years old or more and guess what?FULL PRICE is the general mode of operendi...THIS is why people don't buy c.d's,I'd rather buy a movie or music dvd anyday. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:15:53 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: birthdays - John Ritter dead On Saturday, September 13, 2003, at 07:52 AM, Tisbili@aol.com wrote: > on the off chance that i've somehow acquired some sort of macabre, > mystical >> power, let me quickly type ... george w bush. > > paul wolfowitz > donald rumsfeld > > and > > ann coulter add: > http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz I'm getting sick. That's enough names for me. Somebody else continue . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:19:20 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Birthdays and Johnny Cash I'm Hallowe'en too - although about 21 hours earlier than Paul by the sound of it. Bart's website link to famous people birthdates actually cheered me up as up to now I've only been aware that I share with Jimmy Savile and editor of the Daily Telegraph, Charles Moore (who was, depressingly, born on exactly the same day as me) but now I can boast John Keats and Vermeer. As for Johnny Cash I would have been unmoved if he'd died a year ago as then I regarded him as this dull country guy who may have had an impact on a musical form I wasn't interested in but who, beyond Ring of Fire which I quite liked, hadn't had much of an impact on my life. But earlier this year I bought 'The Man Comes Around' on the basis that the noise of how great it was was just too much to ignore. And it's a wonderful work, sparse, subtle and moving. Aside from Alasdair Roberts' 'Farewell Sorrow' (which I mention only to upset Alistair again, really) it's the record I've played most this year and I'm nowhere near exhausting it. Who'd have thought I'd need to hear an old man virtually talk his way through 'Bridge over Troubled Water', 'Desperado' or 'Danny Boy'? But apparently I do. Because they're obviously sung by someone who is in complete command of his material and capabilities yet who is near the end of his life - so there's an inbuilt sadness factor only exacerbated by the elegiac video that accompanied the version of Trent Reznor's 'Hurt' as a single. So Cash's death has hit me as it's like a new artist dying who hasn't fulfilled his capabilities yet - he was still recording at the end. I've dipped into some earlier works this year (i.e pre-American Recordings era) and I still don't like it much - too country, too tied up in its era. But 'The Man Comes Around' makes him a star for me. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco > Weird! Mine's November 1st.... Actually, it's the midnight between October 31st and November 1st. That's right - I was born on Midnight on Halloween. Scary! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:27:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) > As is with the 2001 Mogwai show, I am glad that I took earplugs, as Mogwai > tends to be somewhat damaging during their more sonically adventurous > moments. I've seen earplugs mentioned here a few times (always by our American members, you wooses!) Rightly or wrongly (wrongly I suspect) I've never even contemplated taking earplugs with me. So a quick question, can you still enjoy the show with one inserted. Surely you're missing out on something (quite apart from deafness but that's a different question. I do worry about the future of my hearing obviously) Keith np v/a - instant garage comp (again!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:30:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] birthdays > >JFK, Noel Gallagher & Mel B. > > mel brooks or mel blank? either would be pretty cool to share your day with. I suspect he means the ex-Spice Girl (Scary!), last spotted introducing a Michael Jackson top 10 on the telly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:41:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: birthday bollocks >> (Fans of The Coral might like to lend an ear to the Bandits single Two Step >> Back. It opens like The Coral playing Radar Love, and develops into a pretty > > neat 60's style pop song, albeit a bit harder than The Coral) > > >Fans of the Coral might also like to trawl secondhand shops for records by >The Stairs, who sounded like a hard-edged Coral, but sounded like it in 1991. >Mark Yeah, but they didn't sound like Golden Earring, did they ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:43:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) > >>Rightly or wrongly (wrongly I suspect) I've never even contemplated > taking > earplugs with me. So a quick question, can you still enjoy the show with one > inserted. Surely you're missing out on something (quite apart from deafness > but that's a different question. I do worry about the future of my hearing > obviously)<< > > Same here. I've not kept count, but I guess I must've been to something > approaching 800 gigs (average of 30+/year for 25 years) and hearing is one of the > few faculties seemingly unimpaired by the passage of time... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:49:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT Golden Earring (was birthday bollocks) > >>Yeah, but they didn't sound like Golden Earring, did they ; )<< > > Quite probably at some stage. We know Golden Earring exclusively for Radar > Love, and the drummer jumping over the kit at the end. But next time you go to > Amsterdam check out the Golden Earring section in the Virgin megastore. > They've been going, with a largely unchanged line-up, since I'd guess about 1965. > Originally they were called The Golden Earrings, and sported a beat combo > look, which evolves into a psychedelic image and so on. And they're still > going. > > Never heard any of this stuff, but I'd guess sub-Merseybeat whimsy was on > the cards, probably around 1967. Over to Bart & Jan for more Earring trivia! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Pat & Jack Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:40:58 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Birthday bollocks Thanks for correcting me about birthdays, Fergus But surely the greatest interpretor of Sam Beckett's work was Patrick Magee? ))) Well, I'd put both Magee and MacGowran on equal footing there. What a voice! ))) What a voice ideed, particularly on Krapp's Last Tape, one of my favourite Beckett plays. Fergus np - Paul Schutze: The Rapture of Metals __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:29:45 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Golden Earring (was birthday bollocks) >> Yeah, but they didn't sound like Golden Earring, did they ; )<< > Quite probably at some stage. We know Golden Earring exclusively for Radar > Love, and the drummer jumping over the kit at the end. But next time you go to > Amsterdam check out the Golden Earring section in the Virgin megastore. > They've been going, with a largely unchanged line-up, since I'd guess about > 1965. > Originally they were called The Golden Earrings, and sported a beat combo > look, which evolves into a psychedelic image and so on. And they're still > going. > Never heard any of this stuff, but I'd guess sub-Merseybeat whimsy was on > the cards, probably around 1967. Over to Bart & Jan for more Earring trivia! > > Mark Not bad... hats off Mark. The Earring are from my birthtown The Hague (I've got distant family who are peronal friends with them) which was THE rock capital of the Netherlands during those days mainly due to the large group of indonesian immigrants. http://home.hetnet.nl/~pmouse/indorockgallery1.htm http://home.hetnet.nl/~pmouse/indorockgallery2.htm They were on to rock 'n roll (which they mixed with krontjong, gamelan & Hawaiian) a lot quicker than "us" brackish whities and influenced the postwar generation (amongst which The Golden Earring(s), Q65, The Outsiders, The Motions, The Shoes and later Shocking Blue, Cuby & The Blizzards, Ekseption & Focus). The Earring are the Dutch Rolling Stones and though they were never my faves you got to respect their persistence - they started in 1961. There's a short biography here: http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/singerUnid/26239EF69E98D55648256CCC00 108EB9 (don't forget the url-bit on the next line now) Also they toured a lot with the Who in the early 70's, thus experiencing every rock'n roll cliche under the wings of Keith Moon. Biggest hits: Back Home (one of my first singles as an 8 year old), Radar Love, She Flies On Strange Wings, Buddy Joe, Bombay, Twilight Zone and When The Lady Smiles. Bart (phew - had to look some of that up) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:48:55 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Killing Joke - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > > New single is released next week, Your mission is to locate the nearest > chart return shop and buy a copy. Chart rigging is so passe Bill Geordie's greatest one note riff, Always enjoyed seeing Geordie play - this often ferocious sound emanating from some guy who looks as if he's slowly and gently strumming his guitar. Completely undemonstrative and unaffected (though I've not seen him in years). > > This is the Joke at their most TRIBAL since FIRE DANCES. If this were a sales pitch it wouldn't work for me. Revelations was the first KJ album I heard, from which I worked backwards, hugely impressed. I loved it and eagerly awaited Fire Dances, which I thought was pretty lame and tiresome -though I think it was Bill who referred to it as almost a Revelations Part 2 (apologies if not). That bloody single (Let's All Go..) had a riff like a Twix advert that was doing the rounds at the time. I didn't rate Night Time eitrher and haven't bothered with much since then (except a couple of gigs still years ago - last one Jaz ruining Bloodsport by blathering on about some road crash he'd seen by way of a vocal). Still, they've got one of the best band names and one of the best song titles (Fall of Because). I've stuck the new one on my birthday list and might cop 'em at the Leeds gig (which I understand is DEFINITELY at the Leeds Met Uni and not the Cockpit as originally intended). Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:38:14 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (no subject) >I'm curious...how frequently do listmembers buy new releases? I know I'm not >doing my part to save the record industry from file sharers. > >I basically only buy used. I'm trying to remember the last new release I >bought. > i buy probably a couple a month off the local shelves (lords of acid's greatest t*ts should be forthcoming today, for instance), then order probably 10 or so locally unobtainable ones every 3 months or thereabouts off the net. those numbers would be considerably lower if i were back home (loads more used places) or able to journey to, say, atlanta more often. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:05:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] new releases > >I'm curious...how frequently do listmembers buy new releases? I know I'm > not > >doing my part to save the record industry from file sharers. > > > >I basically only buy used. I'm trying to remember the last new release I > >bought. > > If something's good enough, I'll buy it even if someone's already done me a copy. The last Suicide album is a case in point. I bought it even though I had it on cd-r. It was one of my fave albums of the year, Suicide are one of my all time fave acts, and it didn't seem right not to have it. I may be old-fashioned here, but I see cd-r's like taping albums in the past. You get copies either to a) try it out b) you like it but not enough to actually want to buy it c) it's otherwise unavailable not because you want all your music for free. Whilst I mightn't be botherd if certain record companies went bankrupt (apart from the loss of jobs), I would care if Suicide couldn't afford to make another album. Well that's my opinion anyway. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:36:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire & EMI discs...explain it to me again ok...my local shop has Chairs Missing and 154 on EMI (both used for $8.99).....what is the difference between the EMI discs and the Restless Retro ones (which is what i have)???.....i noticed that Go Ahead is on 154 on the EMI disc, while it appears on my Restless Retro version of Chairs Missing Instead...and i also noticed that the long version of Outdoor Miner is on the EMI version of Chairs Missing but not included on my Restless Retro version...but it is however included on On Returning anyway...so what reason should i give myself to use my store credit for these?...as far as i can tell there are no bonus tracks...are there some special versions or is it that the sound quality is better??? i realize this has already been discussed but i didn't really pay attention and deleted the e-mail.... so tell me again thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:52:10 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Jason Rogers" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:27:39 +0100 > >I've seen earplugs mentioned here a few times (always by our American >members, you wooses!) > >Rightly or wrongly (wrongly I suspect) I've never even contemplated taking >earplugs with me. So a quick question, can you still enjoy the show with >one >inserted. Surely you're missing out on something (quite apart from deafness >but that's a different question. I do worry about the future of my hearing >obviously) > When I take earplugs to a concert and use them, I insert them such that they don't muddle the music altogether, but simply drown out the extreme pitches of guitar feedback squealing, etc. This way, the earplugs protect from the really loud parts of a show and they also filter out crowd noise around me to an extent. If you pack the earplugs in as far as they will go, then you'll probaby hear muddled music. Also, I don't generally wear earplugs throughout a concert; I'll insert them when the show gets to a point where the music can be damaging. I've suffered some adverse effects from not wearing earplugs during my younger years. Some friends and I attended a concert by Sugar (Bob Mould band in the 90's) and failed to have any ear protection. In between the actual show and the encore, Mould held his guitar close to the amp and simply let the crowd hear a constant pitch of feedback for several minutes...it was loud as hell. My ears rang for days after the show and my hearing was off a bit for what seemed like months. Years later, I attended an AC/DC concert without taking earplugs. AC/DC played music that was loud enough, but they also had cannons onstage that they fired continuously during the final song, "For Those About To Rock, We Salute You". The cannons were fucking deafening; it was almost like being at a pistol firing range and hearing guns fire close to you when you have no ear protection. Ears are just like any most other of the body. The tissue repairs itself after minor injuries. If I attend a show by Mogwai, Spiritualized, Sugar, or other such loud ass bands, and don't attend another concert for a long time, then my ears will probably be alright. The problem is when I attend loud shows on a monthly basis or more and let my ears be damaged on a regular basis as such. About this time last year, I went to see Wire, The Chameleons, Bob Mould, Frank Black, and a few other bands all during a two-month time frame. I didn't wear earplugs at every show, but I did wear them at the louder ones because, when the eardrum hits keep coming and coming, the tissue in my ears does not have a chance to repair itself. I hope some of that makes sense. One last thing, I have no regrets whatsoever about seeing Sugar in concert. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:35:57 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Birthdays and Johnny Cash In a message dated 9/13/03 8:20:36 AM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: >Who'd have thought I'd need to hear an old man virtually >talk his way through 'Bridge over Troubled Water', 'Desperado' or 'Danny >Boy'? But apparently I do. Because they're obviously sung by someone >who is in complete command of his material and capabilities yet who is >near the end of his life - so there's an inbuilt sadness factor only >exacerbated by the elegiac video that accompanied the version of Trent >Reznor's 'Hurt' as a single. hearing him sing mercy seay sends chills up my spine every time...so does the nick cave version, but that's beside the point. a real legend has passed. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:21:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) In a message dated 9/13/03 8:24:27 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >> As is with the 2001 Mogwai show, I am glad that I took earplugs, as Mogwai >> tends to be somewhat damaging during their more sonically adventurous >> moments. > > >I've seen earplugs mentioned here a few times (always by our American >members, you wooses!) > > >Rightly or wrongly (wrongly I suspect) I've never even contemplated taking >earplugs with me. So a quick question, can you still enjoy the show with >one >inserted. Surely you're missing out on something (quite apart from deafness >but that's a different question. I do worry about the future of my hearing >obviously) well, i may not be the only one here, but i'm "deaf"initely qualified to answer... my email address is a double entendre. i really suffer from tinnitus, the buzz buzz buzz in the drum of the ear. i received the gift, not from concert going, but from a stupid murder mystery performance about a dozen years ago, where the first of several "murders" took place in the middle of the party/performance, the gun being fired less than a foot from my face. i'm reminded of this wonderful show pretty much every day when i hear the buzz (really a high ringtone...couldn't it at least have the decency to ring a useful a-440?). i'm sure everyone here has heard a similar sound after attending a loud concert. i have too (loudest being talking heads at radio city music hall), but the sensation goes away the next day (or in that case, a couple days). anyway, for those who don't know, that sound (for me and probably most people with permanent/intermittent tinnitus) means that some of the little hair cells that are meant to transmit sound in the inner ear have been "knocked down" (and no amount of chumbawumba will help them "get up again"). i've read where the condition is compared with an amputee feeling itching or some other sensation in the missing limb. apparently the brain is still receiving signals or impulses telling it that a sound is coming in when it isn't. so what does this all mean? my doctor told me i should wear hearing protection to prevent any further damage. i do have some hearing loss from the same incident too. i'm definitely enjoying shows less with plugs in, but i guess it's like enjoying sex less with a condom on...it's still pretty darn good :o) you get used to it. and they do sell custom fitted plugs. i should probably invest in those. i should also look into newer "musician" plugs. i have an old pair. they're not the most comfortable in the ears, but they do allow more sound through, just blocking out most of the highs (kinda like those ultra thin for extra pleasure condoms) which would make concerts more enjoyable (the earplugs, not the condoms...but then again, i may be onto something) :o) take care of your ears. you only get one pair. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:27:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) In a message dated 9/13/03 6:53:40 PM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >Ears are just like any most other of the body. The tissue repairs itself i've "heard" different >after minor injuries. If I attend a show by Mogwai, Spiritualized, Sugar, >or other such loud ass bands, and don't attend another concert for a long >time, then my ears will probably be alright. The problem is when I attend >loud shows on a monthly basis or more and let my ears be damaged on a >regular basis as such. About this time last year, I went to see Wire, >The >Chameleons, Bob Mould, Frank Black, and a few other bands all during a >two-month time frame. I didn't wear earplugs at every show, but I did >wear them at the louder ones because, when the eardrum hits keep coming >and >coming, the tissue in my ears does not have a chance to repair itself. i dunno. can you equate that to only wearing a condom when the girl is really hot, or when you're only having sex once a month or so? it is my understanding that the "tissue" in your ears (it's really these very small hair cells in the inner ear being damaged that causes the ringing) does not repair over time, the way the skin heals from a cut or scrape. these cells are extremely delicate, and if exposed to a sudden loud noise (such as a gunshot from close range, or ac/dc playing for those about to rock) cells can be destroyed. they cannot be repaired. the temporary tinnitus you experience after a concert results from the loudness dulling your hearing. when your hearing comes back, the ringing goes away. however, there is a good chance some of those cells have been damaged, and over a period of time (with repeated exposures to loud noise) enough cells can be damaged to cause permanent hearing loss and tinnitus. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:02:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mogwai (was British Sea Power) >my email address is a double entendre. i really suffer from tinnitus, the >buzz buzz buzz in the drum of the ear. i received the gift, not from concert >going, but from a stupid murder mystery performance about a dozen years ago, where >the first of several "murders" took place in the middle of the >party/performance, the gun being fired less than a foot from my face. my own introduction to the wonders of tinnitus, as i've noted on this list before, was somewhat more pleasurable than yours -- i've had it ever since seeing/hearing the buzzcocks in dallas in 12/93. "harmony in my head," indeed. anymore, having sequestered myself away from madding crowds at shows except for a handful of times a year, i haven't noticed it getting any worse. have never used any type of ear protection (never thought twice about buying the plugs i was surprised to see on sale at the door of the venue where jason & i saw wire about a year ago) but probably should get over my habit of standing in front of the speakers at probably half the shows i do manage to attend. loudest thing i've heard of late was the blaring overhead tv that a thoughtful waitress kindly seated me beneath tonight (tofu hoagie on french bread with mayonnaise, for those keeping note -- as we've learned some are), as alabama was playing. probably i should check how the game came out, since there's a chance i'll be hearing the play-by-play inside my head for the next few days. on a happier note, arkansas *did* defeat satan & his minions down in austin. dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #273 *******************************