From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #268 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] WMO titles [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] British Sea Power ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Lager Lager! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs-final [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] FW: The Pixies 'to reform for world tour and album' [Andr] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal [Ian Grant ] [idealcopy] back on topic.. [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] TV(OT) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] Re: [idealcopy] FW: The Pixies 'to reform for world tour and album' [Bart] Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] TV(OT) [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal [Ian Grant ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] WMO titles Just a quick reminder to all ICers that WMO titles are now GBP5.00. Hurry hurry..some stocks are getting close to deletion point. Email for merchandise list details and availability. kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:41:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED Killing Joke: > They're dropping bombs again > And they're doing it in your name With der tanks , and der bombs and der bombs , and der guns Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:33:21 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] British Sea Power I bought the U.S. release of British Sea Power - The Decline Of British Sea Power yesterday and am impressed. British Sea Power has been compared to Joy Division and Echo And The Bunnymen, but they also make me think of what the Pixies would have sounded like with Diamond Dogs-era David Bowie at the vocals. Great album and I'll definitely check the band out if they play live here in Atlanta. Is anyone else here familiar with this band? Jason _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:36:19 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] British Sea Power On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:33:21AM +0000, Jason Rogers wrote: > I bought the U.S. release of British Sea Power - The Decline Of British Sea > Power yesterday and am impressed. British Sea Power has been compared > to Joy Division and Echo And The Bunnymen, but they also make me think of > what the Pixies would have sounded like with Diamond Dogs-era David Bowie > at the vocals. Great album and I'll definitely check the band out if > they play live here in Atlanta. > > Is anyone else here familiar with this band? The list has a small but relatively perfectly-formed coterie of BSP fans (including yours truly), as I understand it. - - Andrew ("The Decline" - best debut of the year so far?) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:55:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED > > besides, were the 80's REALLY all that bad??? afterall, the 80's did > > spawn > > Killing Joke.. > > > > RL > > > also spawned Reagan/Bush, full blown nuclear weapons buildup, multiple > "low intensity conflicts", AIDS and ABBA. I'm glad the 80's lasted only > a year. ABBA? Spawned in the 80's? They won the 1974 Eurovison Song contest, for god's sake !!! K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:57:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED In a message dated 9/10/03 8:51:57 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > ABBA? Spawned in the 80's? > > They won the 1974 Eurovison Song contest, for god's sake !!! > > K. good point Keith! i overlooked that because i was SEEING RED over the dis of ABBA....as a matter of fact, weren't ABBA finished by 1982? The Visitors being the last album i think...great album too...the tension of both couple splitting up led to some great songwriting.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:16:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... In a message dated 9/9/03 5:04:50 PM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > oh, and i don't see a full blown nuclear weapons buildup as a bad > thing....too bad they weren't used.. > > RL > p.s. and yes, i do mean that > Ya GOTTA be joking here Robert,why would you wish such a thing on anyone? or > is this just a 'Killing' joke.........Ari yes...my other personality thinks that the human race needs to be obliterated....we are disgusting filth... how's that for self loathing? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:49:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou > yes...my other personality thinks that the human race needs to be > obliterated....we are disgusting filth... > > how's that for self loathing? Hmmm, so we have to suffer for your selfloathing Robert? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:04:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou In a message dated 9/10/03 9:50:03 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > > yes...my other personality thinks that the human race needs to be > > obliterated....we are disgusting filth... > > > > how's that for self loathing? > > Hmmm, so we have to suffer for your selfloathing Robert? > > Bart BAH! RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:08:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou In a message dated 9/10/03 10:06:22 AM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > > Hmmm, so we have to suffer for your selfloathing Robert? > > > > Bart no...if the nukes did the job it would be quick and painless....seems fair enough for all the shit we have heaped on animals, the ecology, and other human beings... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou > no...if the nukes did the job it would be quick and painless....seems fair > enough for all the shit we have heaped on animals, the ecology, and other > human > beings... > > RL Cheer up Wobert! Think Catherine Zeta Jones! ;-) There has always been good as well as bad. We have to walk the rope... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:39:01 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fear and Loathing in St. Lou In a message dated 9/10/03 10:24:33 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Cheer up Wobert! Think Catherine Zeta Jones! ;-) > There has always been good as well as bad. > We have to walk the rope... > > Bart > thanks Bart..that brought a huge smile to my face RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:45:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Lager Lager! > I'm wondering about venturing into Freur's subsequent Underworld > after hearing this almost forgotten gem. Any paths / tracks of notable > Underworld passages? > On returning, > comeback in two halves? > voyteck I think the general consensus is that Second toughest in the Infants is the best, though I'm also rather partial to the debut DUBNOBASSWITHMYHEADMAN (Dark & Long is fab!), and (the under-rated IMO) Beaucoup Fish (three *great* singles in Push Upstairs, King of Snake and Jumbo). Even their last one - much derided on these pages IIRC - has some great moments IMO, particularly 2 Months Off. The singles are well worth getting too, cos they almost always contain excellent mixes. Keith NP Spiritualised - amazing grace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:51:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED > A friend way back when bought Man's 'Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth' > which remains one of my favourite album names ever and... Two Ounces of Plastic With A Hole In The Middle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:53:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... > yes...my other personality thinks that the human race needs to be > obliterated....we are disgusting filth... > > how's that for self loathing? > RL Are we having a bad hair day, Robert ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:00:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... In a message dated 9/10/03 10:50:11 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Are we having a bad hair day, Robert ; ) no actually my 'do is fabulous today...somebody just told me i look like Morrissey (circa 1988 or so) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:18:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... > no actually my 'do is fabulous today...somebody just told me i look like > Morrissey (circa 1988 or so) As Morrissey did a bit of selfloathing himself Robert maybe you should consider getting a new haircut? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:24:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lager Lager! What? no 'Underneath the Radar'? > I think the general consensus is that Second > toughest in the Infants is the > best, though I'm also rather partial to the debut > DUBNOBASSWITHMYHEADMAN > (Dark & Long is fab!), and (the under-rated IMO) > Beaucoup Fish (three > *great* singles in Push Upstairs, King of Snake and > Jumbo). > > Even their last one - much derided on these pages > IIRC - has some great > moments IMO, particularly 2 Months Off. > > The singles are well worth getting too, cos they > almost always contain > excellent mixes. > > Keith > > NP Spiritualised - amazing grace ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:57:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lager Lager! In a message dated 9/10/03 11:25:57 AM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > What? no 'Underneath the Radar'? > and you were the one who said "eeewwwwwww" to Catherine Zeta Jones...of course i realize you are being sarcastic (i hope) Underneath the Radar is REALLY lame... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:01:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... In a message dated 9/10/03 11:19:26 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > As Morrissey did a bit of selfloathing himself Robert maybe you should > consider getting a new haircut? ;-) > > Bart i have been cutting my own hair since the age of 12....i do a pretty good job (or so i'm told) ..of course it helps to have double jointed elbows and an adjustable mirror... however, i do not want to cut it just yet...it just grew out after having shaved completely off for most of the spring and summer... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:05:07 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs >absolutely nothing wrong with ABBA...one the best pop acts of all >time...couldn't you pick a better target?? Not everyone aims at the easiest target available--it's a question of standards. >oh, and i don't see a full blown nuclear weapons buildup as a bad >thing....too bad they weren't used.. > >RL >p.s. and yes, i do mean that Then you're a complete ass and not worth talking to. If I were the list-owner I'd pull you for putting that on my list, but that's up to Miles. And here I thought Graeme was too rough on you. Turns out he's right. May the Karma turn on you. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:16:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs In a message dated 9/10/03 12:02:45 PM Central Daylight Time, mflaher3@triton.edu writes: > >oh, and i don't see a full blown nuclear weapons buildup as a bad > >thing....too bad they weren't used.. > > > >RL > >p.s. and yes, i do mean that > > Then you're a complete ass and not worth talking to. If I were the > list-owner I'd pull you for putting that on my list, but that's up to Miles. > > And here I thought Graeme was too rough on you. Turns out he's right. May > the Karma turn on you. > > Michael Flaherty > hhahahhahahahah that's funny.....you have really made me laugh.....and just why would you kick me off the list for voicing my opinion??? i have heard much worse in the way of abuse directed at INDIVIDUALS on this list......as a matter of fact calling me a "complete ass" is worthy of your self-righteous ass getting booted as well... too bad you weren't so outspoken during past skirmishes....or maybe i AM just an easy target (in your eyes)...whatsamatta? Graeme too tough for ya?? and funny you should mention Karma....i certainly wouldn't be alone in getting my payback from the Karma-machine now would i? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:17:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs and by the way....maybe you should learn to laugh at yourself and the world around you a little more.....quit being such a serious tight-ass all the time...or are you just constipated? lighten up ol boy RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:20:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs In a message dated 9/10/03 12:16:27 PM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > > And here I thought Graeme was too rough on you. Turns out he's right. > May > > the Karma turn on you. > > > > Michael Flaherty > > and by the way, what the hell are you talking about??? did Graeme sick the Karma police on me??? did i miss a post to the list??? last i remember he called me "eighties-Lynn" not so bad considering what i've been called in the past.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:24:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs-final In a message dated 9/10/03 12:02:45 PM Central Daylight Time, mflaher3@triton.edu writes: > Then you're a complete ass and not worth talking to. If I were the > list-owner I'd pull you for putting that on my list, but that's up to Miles. > > And here I thought Graeme was too rough on you. Turns out he's right. May > the Karma turn on you. > > Michael Flaherty and furthermore, do you really think i give a shit what Graeme OR you OR anyone else on the INTERNET says about me? keep telling yourself this Michael: "It's only the internet...it's only the internet..." make it your mantra ok? i hope you get better.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:29:30 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... From what I can remember of emails on the subject I think Robert ought to be grateful that he actually has hair. John (still got a full head but I worry about the deserts springing up either side of my upper forehead) http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: Bart van Damme >To: wire-news >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:18:55 +0200 > > > no actually my 'do is fabulous today...somebody just told me i look like > > Morrissey (circa 1988 or so) > >As Morrissey did a bit of selfloathing himself Robert maybe you should >consider getting a new haircut? ;-) > >Bart _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:36:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rbert wrote... In a message dated 9/10/03 12:31:50 PM Central Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > From what I can remember of emails on the subject I think Robert ought to be > grateful that he actually has hair. > > John > (still got a full head but I worry about the deserts springing up either > side of my upper forehead) it's just hair...i could care less either way..... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:58:16 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] SEEING RED Oh go on then... I think the Pixies albums got reevaluated after they split. When released they all got rave reviews over here. Quite right too. All excellent albums. Tho Surfer would be my fave I also really like Trompe. Killing Joke made two great albums and a reasonable third (with Conny Plank trying to turn their sound to mush). After that - with the exception of one or two tracks - they were absolute bobbins. I haven't heard the new single or album but it appears from what I've read on this list that we're faced with the prospect of a man of Jaz's age attempting to scare us with face paint and screwing his face up as if he's chronically constipated complimented with tales of apocalyptic hoodoo and the coming race all over again. This is possibly more amusing than Coil's essentialist pronounciations re: male sexuality. I blame the care in the community thing. I'm sorry Jaz - great memories from my childhood and all that but I've grown up now. I don't believe in ghosts, ghoulies and God - Tony Blair and George Bush are about the only things that scare me now. And I certainly don't believe in some fascistic notion of the coming race. And unfortunately that is about the only coherent politics I've ever heard from him. A very sad old man. Instinctive? Contrived more like. As for KJ recording the best ever dub tracks...??!! Yeah right. Yes, Turn to Red (and the rest of that ep) is excellent stuff but better than Scientist, Lee Perry, Adrian Sherwood, King Tubby etc etc? Get out of here. Both Man and British Sea Power tread the boards in these parts soon. Doubt I'll make it to Man though the Welsh partner might be tempted! Don't know if anyone has mentioned this previously but is it just me that is reminded of Psychedelic Furs when they hear BSP? Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: "Keith Knight" >To: "'Andrew Walkingshaw'" , > >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] SEEING RED >Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:23:47 +0100 > >Bloody wonderful album I've always thought - Bossanova is their weak >link to my mind. I love the fannish science fiction nature of much of >it especially Bird Dream of Olympus Mons - "sun shines in the rusty >morning skyline of the Olympus Mons". Marvellous stuff. > >Another the Keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw > - Andrew (np; Pixies - "Trompe le Monde", which is nowhere near as bad >as >it has been claimed - and on the apocalyptic lyric tip, >"I smell smoke / that comes from a gun / named extinction!") _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:12 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] FW: The Pixies 'to reform for world tour and album' So all we've got to do is mention Pixies and then this news hits the wires. I just hope they play reasonable size venues (and, if so, that I can get tickets). Another The Keith The Pixies are to reunite for the first time in more than a decade with a world tour next April, according to reports.If the tour goes well it could be followed by a new studio album, a spokesman for the legendary indie band told MTV.All four original members, singer/guitarist Frank Black, bassist/singer Kim Deal, guitarist Joey Santiago and drummerDavid Lovering, would be involved in the tour.The band has not yet begun rehearsing for the tour, but, given their ugly breakup in 1993, the announcement is one of the most unlikely and anticipated reunions in the history of indie rock.In July, Black told London's XFM Radio that he still dreams about a Pixies reunion and he revealed that the group occasionally gets together for informal jam sessions, "but not for public consumption". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:26:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] British Sea Power The list has a small but relatively perfectly-formed coterie of BSP fans (including yours truly), as I understand it. - - Andrew ("The Decline" - best debut of the year so far?) - ------------------------- First time I've been called 'perfectly formed' in years (probably about 45 years actually). It's certainly a better album than that Kings of Leon thing and The Kills album, although I am fond of Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Schwervon!'s efforts. And I haven't steeled myself up to play the Mars Volta album more than once yet - it's like a distillation of everything I love and hate about progressive rock simultaneously. Actually this hasn't been a great year for debut albums so far unless I'm missing something (as no doubt I am). I have tickets for the BSP ULU gig - anyone else going? Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:28:09 -0700 From: Harold Grey Subject: [idealcopy] SEEING RED As a long time KJ and Wire fan, I would definitely recommend the new KJ album. There are quite a few great tracks (Seeing Red, Blood on your Hands, Implant) a few mediocre ones and a few clunkers. But Dave Grohl's drumming is excellent on a number of tracks. also, geordie is the master of the killer riff. the guitar sounds is a bit more "metal" than on let's say What's THIS for...! or Revelations, but he has a unique take on rhythm guitar that is really distinct. I actually hear songs that could have been on the 1st album, songs that could have been on extremities and songs that could have been on Brighter. harold san jose, ca "Silent weapons for a quiet war..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:32:38 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: The Pixies 'to reform for world tour and album' On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 07:17:12PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > So all we've got to do is mention Pixies and then this news hits the > wires. I just hope they play reasonable size venues (and, if so, that I > can get tickets). . So that's the Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, and the Gang of Four reformed. Who do we need to mention next? - - Andrew (pavementpavementpavementpavement) - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:36:49 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Robert's Bombs On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:16:05PM -0400, Robert Lynn wrote: > Michael Flaherty wrote: >> Then you're a complete ass and not worth talking to. If I were the >> list-owner I'd pull you for putting that on my list, but that's up to >> Miles. > hhahahhahahahah that's funny.....you have really made me > laugh.....and just why would you kick me off the list for voicing my > opinion??? i have heard much worse in the way of abuse directed at > INDIVIDUALS on this list......as a matter of fact calling me a > "complete ass" is worthy of your self-righteous ass getting booted > as well... too bad you weren't so outspoken during past > skirmishes....or maybe i AM just an easy target (in your > eyes)...whatsamatta? Graeme too tough for ya?? You expressed an opinion about the single vilest expression of the human tendency towards war; the single most dangerous invention we've ever come up with; and you treat it as a plaything, something blase. If you do that, I think you're opening yourself up for some very well-deserved abuse, which is what you got. I, needless to say, couldn't disagree with you more about nuclear weapons. I've a fairly good understanding of the environmental problems decommissioning causes - it's a big research area in my field, and I'm at least plausibly expert; and those problems are *NOTHING* to what happens if some murderous bastard lets one off. Sorry, but you get no sympathy from me on this issue. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:12:36 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 09:55 AM, Keith Astbury wrote: >>> besides, were the 80's REALLY all that bad??? afterall, the 80's did >>> spawn >>> Killing Joke.. >>> >>> RL >> >> also spawned Reagan/Bush, full blown nuclear weapons buildup, multiple >> "low intensity conflicts", AIDS and ABBA. I'm glad the 80's lasted >> only >> a year. > > ABBA? Spawned in the 80's? > > They won the 1974 Eurovison Song contest, for god's sake !!! > > K. Uh oh, Someone's taking me seriously. I've never really cared much for ABBA, no matter when they were spawned. I preferred Lawrence Welk. I thought the fact that the 80's actually lasted more than a year would have thrown it off. In retrospect, the 80's weren't really that bad for me. I had lots of good sex, drugs, music, art, food, a few good bowel movements, started a radio show, discovered Dome, He Said, Wire reformed, didn't get AIDS, and the bomb didn't go off. Now, if I can just do something about this ingrown mullet . . . . Eddie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:32:52 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs I blame it on the full moon. Maybe Morrissey's hair as well. Nuke = bad Next he'll be in favour of capital punishment. wnd3 NP: Laibach - Tanz mit Laibach --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:16:05PM -0400, Robert > Lynn wrote: > > Michael Flaherty wrote: > >> Then you're a complete ass and not worth talking > to. If I were the > >> list-owner I'd pull you for putting that on my > list, but that's up to > >> Miles. ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:50:25 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs In a message dated 9/10/03 2:34:09 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > I blame it on the full moon. > Maybe Morrissey's hair as well. > > Nuke = bad > > Next he'll be in favour of capital punishment. > > wnd3 oh for goodness sake.....yes guys i REALLY want every single human being obliterated....but please remember that nukes DID keep us from going to war...they kept everything at a standstill....and continue to do so today.. nukes also inspired lots of great music, books and film... oh yeah, and i am in favor of capital punishment if a person is guilty of murdering someone in cold blood (not self defense)..... so i guess you aren't my friend anymore? boo hoo RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:58:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs > Next he'll be in favour of capital punishment. yeah starting with entire murderous US government...they should all be gassed or put in front of a firing squad RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:59:45 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs In a message dated 9/10/03 2:34:09 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > Nuke = bad thanks..i didn't know that... it is far to easy to have fun around this place...now i know why Graeme sticks around... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:04:36 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal Hmmm. No mention of Dizzee Rascal's Mercury Prize triumph as yet, I see. Which is quite possibly because nobody else gives a toss, I admit...but it put a bloody great big beaming grin on my face, at least. Granted, it's hard to imagine how the judges could possibly have come up with a different decision, given that young Dylan's brilliant, brilliant record is everything that ought to be given that kind of fanfare. And equally true that a trophy doesn't make it any more (or less) brilliant. But damn good to see that justice was done nonetheless. Right, carry on. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:09:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] back on topic.. ..did anyone see the Wire review (not really) in a recent issue of Stuff magazine? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:15:34 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal it was all a bit low-key this year , wasn't it. i think too many politically correct but deathly dull choices over the years have made people lose interest maybe? i was intrigued by simon reynolds huge bigging up of DR's album , but only heard a couple of tracks so far. has it sold well? p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:18:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] TV(OT) I am in the process of viewing the second series of 'Spaced', have any more been broadcast? What about a fourth series of the League of Gentlemen? Seeking quality tv here in the US. Cheers, Billy p.s. I finished up the first series of Bottom on dvd and I can hardly wait for more! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:28:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: The Pixies 'to reform for world tour and album' >> So all we've got to do is mention Pixies and then this news hits the >> wires. I just hope they play reasonable size venues (and, if so, that I >> can get tickets). Incredible news! Amazing news! .......anybody got a hanky? > So that's the Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, and the Gang of Four > reformed. Who do we need to mention next? > > - Andrew (pavementpavementpavementpavement) I'm just adding a HUGE smile here Andrew! :-)) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:33:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED > with the prospect of a man of Jaz's age attempting to scare us with face > paint and screwing his face up as if he's chronically constipated > complimented with tales of apocalyptic hoodoo and the coming race all over > again. This is possibly more amusing than Coil's essentialist > pronounciations re: male sexuality. I blame the care in the community > thing. Hahaha!!! Made me laugh. I like KJ, but I wouldn't want to live next door to him! Been a funny old day on IC. At the risk of sounding like some old hippy, can we all be friends please? (And be sure to wear flowers in your (Moz) hair!) > As for KJ recording the best ever dub tracks...??!! Yeah right. Yes, Turn > to Red (and the rest of that ep) is excellent stuff but better than > Scientist, Lee Perry, Adrian Sherwood, King Tubby etc etc? Get out of here. I'd leave Sherwood out of that prestigous group, but yeah... > Both Man and British Sea Power tread the boards in these parts soon. Doubt > I'll make it to Man though the Welsh partner might be tempted! I wouldn't bother. I went to see them about 3yrs back (I know!). The opening number (The Ride & the View) was excellent, played with real controlled power, but then we got into endless gtr solo's climaxing with several minutes of seagull noises. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:50:28 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 03:58 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >> Next he'll be in favour of capital punishment. > > > yeah starting with entire murderous US government...they should all be > gassed > or put in front of a firing squad > > RL Robert, I'm surprised at you. I think this Bush Cabal should have their livers pulled out through their eye sockets, crucified, then taken to court for a fair trial. Oh, and on TV. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:51:37 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] back on topic.. On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 04:09 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > ..did anyone see the Wire review (not really) in a recent issue of > Stuff > magazine? > > RL Quit trying to change the subject. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:53:26 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TV(OT) On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Monochromatic Man wrote: > I am in the process of viewing the second series of > 'Spaced', have any more been broadcast? What about a > fourth series of the League of Gentlemen? > Seeking quality tv here in the US. > > Cheers, > Billy I've seen only a few. On Bravo. Also showing Smack The Pony. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:09:20 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dizzee Rascal At 16:15 10/09/2003 -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: >i was intrigued by simon reynolds huge bigging up of DR's album , but only >heard a couple of tracks so far. has it sold well? p I've no idea, to be honest. I'd imagine that it'll get a bit of a boost from the post-Mercury media coverage, although I would also have thought that the universal praise from pretty much every quarter ought to have done the job already. It worked for me, anyway. It's an outstanding and extraordinary record, as far as I'm concerned. In that, on first listen, it has some astonishing stand-outs, tracks that sound like nothing else on earth - I mean, "I Luv U" is just such an abrasive and aggressive racket, you almost flinch when you hear it. Having jaw-dropped over those spectacular moments, I wasn't sure that it had much more to offer...and yet I've kept returning to it, finding more and more subtleties and intelligent touches, more and more things to savour. Above all, it's just a magnificent articulation of teenage thoughts, confusions, dilemmas. It has loads of gobby swagger, sure...but it also has sadness, bewilderment, frustration, anger, and manages to be genuinely poignant as a consequence. Heaven only knows whether he'll be able to make its equal in the future - and hip-hop is littered with examples of people having nothing much to say after lifting themselves out of the situation that they once documented - but I look forward to finding out. For now - Aesop Rock's imminent release apart - I see no real competition in the end-of-year polls. http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/garage/dizzee_stations.shtml Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:23:46 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Don't Drop (Robert's) Bombs reminds me of how i knew i was mellowing with advancing age -- i no longer advocated the immediate execution of reagan but was wiling to settle for a severe beating. dan >On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 03:58 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > >>> Next he'll be in favour of capital punishment. >> >> >> yeah starting with entire murderous US government...they should all be >> gassed >> or put in front of a firing squad >> >> RL > >Robert, I'm surprised at you. >I think this Bush Cabal should have their livers pulled out through >their eye sockets, crucified, then taken to court for a fair trial. > Oh, and on TV. > >Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:48:31 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEEING RED In a message dated 9/10/03 3:48:19 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Been a funny old day on IC. At the risk of sounding like some old hippy, > can > we all be friends please? > > sounds good to me...i am so tired from work... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] back on topic.. In a message dated 9/10/03 3:53:20 PM Central Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > >..did anyone see the Wire review (not really) in a recent issue of > >Stuff > >magazine? > > > >RL > > Quit trying to change the subject. > > Ed > well i just figured that i'd better before i was chastised for too many off-topic posts (which would be warranted) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:08:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] British Sea Power (fao: jason) went looking for it yesterday on the very off chance that it might've shown up here (fat chance -- hell, as it happens, the entire city appears to have 1 copy each of, for instance, the last [only?] 2 goldfrapp albums), so i'll have to either order it online (the presumed outcome of my desire for the latest by the country teasers, electrocute, enon, kaito & the moving units, among others) or go looking on my anticipated birthday trip to atlanta a week from now to see the dandy warhols at the cotton club. where'd you pick it up, jason? >I bought the U.S. release of British Sea Power - The Decline Of British Sea >Power yesterday and am impressed. British Sea Power has been compared to >Joy Division and Echo And The Bunnymen, but they also make me think of what >the Pixies would have sounded like with Diamond Dogs-era David Bowie at the >vocals. Great album and I'll definitely check the band out if they play >live here in Atlanta. > >Is anyone else here familiar with this band? > > >Jason > >_________________________________________________________________ >Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. >http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #268 *******************************