From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #262 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 06 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Modern CD Volumes ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy] a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client" [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] raveonettes/blue orchids (was: Modern CD Volumes) ["dan b] Re: [idealcopy] electroclash (was: a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client") ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Modern CD Volumes >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:39:58 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Modern CD Volumes >(besides, i was in a money-spending mood already, what with the new black >rebel >motorcyle club, raveonettes & morrissey under the influence comp -- not to >mention the first donnas lp [had the vinyl for years, but the disc adds the >early singles, most notably to parlor-terrorist me "i wanna be a >unabomber"] -- clutched in my shaking hands.) > How's that new Black Rebel Motorcycle Club CD? I like their debut album and was impressed by their performance opening for Spiritualized here last year. I saw the new Black Rebel Motorcycle Club CD here for nine dollars yesterday, but am holding money out until next week for the new Frank Black And The Catholics album and for the U.S. release of British Sea Power - Decline Of British Sea Power. Jason Now Playing: Cocteau Twins - "Lorelei" _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:13:25 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] little wire ref. In the latest Uzine from Belgium there's an interview with this dude (never heard of 'em) ...[INTERVIEW] Mauro Pawlowski used to be a member of Belgium's mini-legendary Evil Superstars (check your copy of Guy Ritchie's "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" soundtrack). Apart from performing solo, he's also (been) involved in Shadowgraphic City, Monguito, Somnabula and the Golden Ass Rangers... Yet these days, he's most of all the frontman of the Grooms, a kick-ass rock act with strong Beefheart influences and tinges of Wire, prog and even Prince (they do an unheimlichly impressive cover of "The cross"). They've released a "GhostRock" ep on Mauro's own Future Archive Networks label (via PIAS), have a new album in the making and are touring regularly, and yet our favourite kingkong motherfucker did actually find some time for a lengthy e-interview. Questions by (pv), answers received 2003-08-22. A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Saw them a few times live and though quite good I thought of them to be a bit too artsyfartsy sometimes. Wire (I, II & III) certainly didn't come to mind. Bart > Mauro Pawlowski used to be a member of Belgium's mini-legendary Evil > Superstars (check your copy of Guy Ritchie's "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking > Barrels" soundtrack). Apart from performing solo, he's also (been) involved > in Shadowgraphic City, Monguito, Somnabula and the Golden Ass Rangers... Yet > these days, he's most of all the frontman of the Grooms, a kick-ass rock act > with strong Beefheart influences and tinges of Wire, prog and even Prince > (they do an unheimlichly impressive cover of "The cross"). They've released > a "GhostRock" ep on Mauro's own Future Archive Networks label (via PIAS), > have a new album in the making and are touring regularly, and yet our > favourite kingkong motherfucker did actually find some time for a lengthy > e-interview. Questions by (pv), answers received 2003-08-22. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:43:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client" ...it sucks... RL p.s. i see no reason to listen to most of this "electroclash" shit any longer....if i want "retro" i shall listen to the real deal: Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra/Ryuchi Sakamoto, Japan/David Sylvian, Roxy Music, Duran Duran,Naked Eyes,Visage, Soft Cell/Marc Almond, Depeche Mode/Yazoo/Erasure, Peter Godwin, Human League/Heaven 17, Ultravox/John Foxx, Gary Numan, OMD, ABC, Alphaville, Camouflage, Psyche, Pet Shop Boys, Electronic, New Order, Vicious Pink, etc....they were the originators and did it so much better anyway..AND did it with much more flair.... Goldfrapp is the only talent lumped in the "electroclash" genre..and she far transcends the pathetic tag anyway.... np- "Behind the Mask" (Orbital remix) - YMO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:13:32 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] raveonettes/blue orchids (was: Modern CD Volumes) amen. i've now played the damned thing something like 7 straight times (allowing for a night's, or rather given my schedule a morning's, sleep), to the extent that i haven't had time to even let the new black rebel motorcycle club near the ghetto blaster ... your similes are spot on, but i'd add that they often appear to be going early jamc one better by drawing from '50s pop (hence your brill building mention, i'm sure) more than phil spector, with of course hope sandoval along for the entire ride instead of just sometimes always. quite a change of pace, needless to say, from the immediately preceding playings of the blue orchids' darker bloom & (with bursa-provided live tracks, of course ... was underground breakfast from your archives, mark? worth the price of admission all by itself) from severe to serene collections. (speaking of whom, going by the liner notes i guess i was pretty fortunate to come across the view from a hill & sleepytown vinyl used back in arkansas ... they appear to have been quite limited.) dan >> was in a money-spending mood already, what with the new black rebel >> motorcyle club, raveonettes & morrissey under the influence comp > >I love the new Raveonettes LP! > >I was slightly disappointed at first - not as good as the mini-LP Whip It >On, and unlike that one - which could never be accused of over-staying it's >welcome! - too long, I wondered? > >BUT... > >I've had it on solid in my car for the past week, and I would now like to >declare my love... > >For anyone who loves classic pop songs with a bit of energy, it's the bees >knees as they say. > >It's the Brill Building on fire. The Beach Boys as a garage band. The >Velvets meet Abba. The JAMC with The Shirelles on backing vocs. > >In fact, it's all of these things, and possibly for one week only, I want to >to marry it. > >Keith > >NP Goldfrapp - Black Cherry (Don't get me started on this one. Another one I >love!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:32:46 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electroclash (was: a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client") one *does* have to sift through a hellacious amount of dross to come up with the bits of gold. i was struck anew by this last night while finally getting around (*any*thing to put off writing this article on life settlement, which actually i should be doing right now since the deadline's in 24 hours or so ...) to putting into some sort of order the piles of cds accumulated over the last few months on my bedroom floor, & dresser, & chest of drawers. several electroclash comps were included, & honestly i can think of about 10 songs (out of easily 10 times that many tracks ... probably more) that i found truly memorable -- w.i.t.'s boys club (much better than anything on their album), adult.'s nite life (ditto), solvent's my radio, fischerspooner's emerge & (of course) the 15th (ditto again), soviet's candy girl (ditto redux), circ's destroy she said, yellow note vs pukka's naked drunk & horny (& whooping & suchlike? naaah ...), & probably a handful of others whose titles/artists i don't recognize at the moment. even then, a good many of those tracks could pass for, say, depeche mode or bmovie outtakes. at the same time, i'm coming into this (a) perhaps spoiled by my strong familiarity with the most of the progenitors robert cites & (b) dependent upon the whims of the compilations' originators, since even if i had any interest in clubbing i'd have to drive 2 hours to atlanta to indulge. i suppose there's every good chance that my & robert's (& no doubt many others') reactions are as irrelevant to kids hearing this sort of stuff for the first time as similar responses are from oldsters who invoke vintage gang of 4, etc in the face of the liars, rapture, radio 4, et al. at the very least, in both cases the current stuff is at least leading to rediscovery of the originators ... dan >RL > >p.s. i see no reason to listen to most of this "electroclash" shit any >longer....if i want "retro" i shall listen to the real deal: Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic >Orchestra/Ryuchi Sakamoto, Japan/David Sylvian, Roxy Music, Duran Duran,Naked >Eyes,Visage, Soft Cell/Marc Almond, Depeche Mode/Yazoo/Erasure, Peter Godwin, >Human League/Heaven 17, Ultravox/John Foxx, Gary Numan, OMD, ABC, Alphaville, >Camouflage, Psyche, Pet Shop Boys, Electronic, New Order, Vicious Pink, >etc....they were the originators and did it so much better anyway..AND did it with >much more flair.... > >Goldfrapp is the only talent lumped in the "electroclash" genre..and she far >transcends the pathetic tag anyway.... > >np- "Behind the Mask" (Orbital remix) - YMO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:46:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client" Subject: [idealcopy] a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client" > ...it sucks... > > RL I've only heard the Rock'n'Roll Machine single and thought it was naff at first, but then couldn't get it out of my head. Quite like it to be honest. Keith (just back from an Electric Six gig. Patchy, but the singles were great fun. And just hearing an audience in Wrexham - which is a bit of a 'rum place' - chanting 'Gay Bar' en masse before the encore seemed like some sort of achievement!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:49:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] raveonettes/blue orchids (was: Modern CD Volumes) > i'd add that they often appear to be going early jamc one better by drawing > from '50s pop (hence your brill building mention, i'm sure) more than phil > spector Yeah, absolutely. I think Great Love Sound could be a contender for my single of the year. K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: O:T Upcoming book om P.Furs...... bdd update wrote:Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:00:33 -0700 From: "bdd update" Subject: [bdd+furs] 4 september 2003 To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com burned down days like cigarettes http://burneddowndays.com update -4 september 2003, 12:37pm EST - --------------------------------------------------------- Greetings! I hope everyone is enjoying the end of summer and looking forward to the second leg of the Furs tour. I haven't heard anything yet about additional dates, but I am still hopeful. As you may already know, UK publisher Helter Skelter is putting out a book on Furs entitled Beautiful Chaos, authored by music writer Dave Thompson. It is nearly completed and will hopefully be released soon, but we have a chance to make it better in the mean time. 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:52:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: blue orchids > >>quite a change of pace, needless to say, from the immediately preceding > playings of the blue orchids' darker bloom & (with bursa-provided live > tracks, of course ... was underground breakfast from your archives, mark? > worth the price of admission all by itself) from severe to serene >> >> collections. << Taped by my own fair Aiwa stereo walkman recorder at Devilles in Manchester. It was the opening track - indeed the only time in something like 8 BOs gigs that Martin ever acknowledged his past (and indeed future!) in the Fall. Note Royalties-to MES-avoiding title switch - it's basically an instrumental version of Underground Medecine off Witch trials, but as Bramah wrote the music and MES the words he reckons he's entitled to 100% of the instrumental version! And it's just as well it wasn't the encore, as the Aiwa did what it often did, which was run out of batteries (two AAs lasted 45 mins, no more). So the sound quality of the whole gig deteriorates as it goes on. The other gig (Manchester Uni) was supporting the Cabs. It's off the mixing desk - I just asked the bloke on the desk if he'd tape it for me. No problem. He thought I was with the band! Which is why I came to have the only known soundboard recording of the Blue Orchids. Apparently the band never bothered taping themselves. When James Nice aproached Martin B about the project, he didn't have any BOs tapes at all. I had six complete gigs! Martin is back writing songs again (when he's not working as a van driver) and may have a new album next year. > >>(speaking of whom, going by the liner notes i guess i was > pretty fortunate to come across the view from a hill & sleepytown vinyl used > back in arkansas ... they appear to have been quite limited.)<< Very. But not as hard to find as the Secret City EP or the hen's teeth Thirst (the band, not the song) EP, the very short-lived late-80s Bramah-Burns band whose EP (mastered from my vinyl copy) is also on From Severe... Not sure they ever played live, though at least one of the tracks was played as a BOs song. LTM will release the proper BOs album (Greatest Hit) including the Rough Trade singles & EPs in a month or so. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:14:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a minimal review of the Client cd: "Client" > >>(just back from an Electric Six gig. Patchy, but the singles were great > fun. > And just hearing an audience in Wrexham - which is a bit of a 'rum place' - > chanting 'Gay Bar' en masse before the encore seemed like some sort of > achievement!)<< I did notice that! Also Damo Suzuki is playing in Wrexham in October... Wrexham is the new Buckley, obviously ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:45:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new releases........oh dear the -15th Paul Rab: > The Missing Symphony > > v/vm CD #10.00 > > They (v/vm-magazine) say: " The Concept: All fifteen Shostakovich symphonies > were downloaded digitally into a lap-top computer. The mean average in seconds > of every symphony was worked out as being 2842 seconds. Each symphony was > either stretched or compressed to that length and then layered on top of each > other to create a unique classical piece. > > Conclusion: > The result is staggering. The worlds first digital classical symphony. The > worlds first symphony which cannot be replicated by classical musicians. > Intense in its entirety. The result is "The Missing Symphony". We (these) say: > Sacrilegious chaos cacophony overload - could be insanity. A mental block of a > music not for the timid or squeamish. Possibly pointless in the extreme. Paul Eardrum: > i'm very interested to hear teh missing symphony. if i had all 15 > shostakovich symphonies i could do it myself, but i really enjoy the intensity > of his compositions and this sounds worth checking out. Strange idea this. Hope they won't also "do" his 15 string quartets which are dearer to me than the symphonies. The other year I got a boxset with symphonies 5, 10 and 15. Truely great works, but I'd trade them all for just his last (the 15th) string quartet. Still the greatest piece of classical music I've heard so far. Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #262 *******************************