From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #257 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, August 31 2003 Volume 06 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] O.T:Austin City Limits Festival...... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] disc rot [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] disc rot [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] StudioBrussel ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] here comes the French... (aka new music musings) [fernando Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:Austin City Limits Festival...... http://www.aclfestival.com/schedule.html Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:27:46 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T and other interesting stuff.......... On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:15 PM, Ari Britt wrote: > http://nypress.com/inside.cfm?content_id=5693 But wait, there's more! http://www.911citizenswatch.org/ Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:12:23 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Disc rot (was Coil) >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:05:18 +0100 >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disc rot (was Coil) > >As far as I know I haven't got any cd's with 'disc rot' - do they just fail >to play totally? I ask, cos I've come across a few old ones that have gone >a >bronzey colour as above, but touch wood, they still play. Is disc rot a >question of time then? > I've been lucky as far as not having "disc rot" on any of my CD's. The first compact discs that I ever owned were New Order - Substance, R.E.M. - Fables Of The Reconstruction, and U2 - Rattle And Hum; I received these back in Christmas of 1988 when I also got a CD player for the first time. All three of these CD's (all four, counting Substance as two discs) still play superbly. In fact, I used the old copy of Substance just the other day when I was putting "1963" on a mix CD for somebody. I've often joked to people that this copy of Substance that I received back in 1988 was proof that CD's do not wear out, as I would have worn this one out long long ago...lol. It still sounds great, although it's not as loud as I would like; New Order should remaster that one. Funny, because the volume was perfect back in 1988 when I got it...either I'm going deaf or the volume levels on CD's that old simply don't suffice. Given the concerts that I've been to, I'd say that the former explanation is correct. Jason Now Playing: DVD commentary of Night Of The Living Dead with George A. Romero. The DVD is playing behind me and I'm just listening to the commentary while I email, as I've seen the film multiple times and know it by heart. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:39:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] disc rot I purchased mt first c.d back in '87,none suffer from any ailment which is suprising given that most audiophiles believe that those manufactered in the us of a are somehow inferior to those manufactered in europe. I forget the reason/details............anyone know? Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] disc rot I have a few CDs with rot. I bought my first CD back in '84, but I think those are fine (all CDs for the first few years were made in Germany or Japan, even if for US release). The ones with rot were made by MPO in France in the late 80s, early 90s. Off the top of my head, the most bronzing I have on a CD is from And Also The Trees' Farewell to the Shade. There are a few others, including some from the Chameleons. They play fine... I think that one from ABC does not play towards the end. It also happened with Laserdiscs. There are some differences with CDs here and elsewhere. I do not think this happens lately, as probably they have the same mastering/digitization. However, the Who's remastered re-issues from mid-90s had marked differences between here and Polydor issues in Europe. Most notably (for me) was Quadrophenia. The US issue is a bit bright. Of course, this is not a problem with US manufacturing, rotting, or whatever. After all, bright sounding music seems to be something that is liked here (I remember Infinity and Bose speakers doing well with bright sounds). Oh yes, the rot was due to manufacturing problems at MPO France. cheers, - -fernando - --- Ari Britt wrote: > I purchased mt first c.d back in '87,none suffer from any ailment which is > suprising given that most audiophiles believe that those manufactered in the > us of a are somehow inferior to those manufactered in europe. > I forget the reason/details............anyone know? Ari > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software - --- Ari Britt wrote: > I purchased mt first c.d back in '87,none suffer from any ailment which is > suprising given that most audiophiles believe that those manufactered in the > us of a are somehow inferior to those manufactered in europe. > I forget the reason/details............anyone know? Ari > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:50:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] disc rot i just noticed that my copy of Wire's "Peel Sessions" cd -the one with "Crazy About Love" is bronzed really badly. Robert np- Gary Numan "Telekon" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:09:19 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] StudioBrussel I am listening at this moment to Belgian Radio Studio Brussel Live from Pukkelpop and indeed there will be a short interview with Wire http://www.studiobrussel.be ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] here comes the French... (aka new music musings) ... and take over music? An exaggeration for sure, but damn, they are doing the coolest stuff. On my recent trip to Europe I picked up the albums by COLDER (Again) and M83 (Dead Cities...). Now, I must add these groups to the list of French stuff that has been really good in recent years (+ KID LOCO, AIR, ETIENNE DE CRECY, [discovered late], some ALEX GOPHER). In a way, most of these new bands (not NOIR DESIR), are a bit derivative with Jazz and familiar pop (e.g., KRAFTWERK), but they do stand on their own. Now, there is a draw to JOY DIVISION and MY BLOODY VALENTINE. I do not like to say anyone sounds like (unless a blatant, unimaginative rip-off), but COLDER has taken JOY DIVISION's "Heart and Soul," with other ideas from (early) PiL/Section 25/Manchester and has done a complete album that is quiet enjoyable. Nah, excellent. Yes, it is more electronica, but it takes you to some place new. Familiar (like AIR doing their work with vocoders a la KRAFTWERK), but nobody has done it before. I suppose that while the world was busy with what electronica will be the next big thing (Prodigy, ChemBros, Euro-fluff-pop, etc.), the French have been a bit more inventive. Well, the Germans were doing interesting things for a while as well (LAUB, KRIEDLER and COUCH), well, the NOTWIST are still a force. M83 live to AIR meets MBV (or perhaps SLOWDIVE). I like it that there is a good alternative to the guitar trend of late, with some "electronic pop" that has subtance. cheers, - -fernando PS with regards to other albums recently commented on here: the new KRAFTWERK and KILLING JOKE are quite good. Nothing new with either of them, and arguably not as strong as past best-efforts, but it does not detract from the enjoyment! Same goes for LUKE HAINES... love all his brilliant stuff, though the last BLACK BOX RECORDER was not as good as the previous two. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:35:46 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] disc rot > The ones with rot were made by MPO in France in the > late 80s, early 90s. Off > the top of my head, the most bronzing I have on a CD > is from And Also The > Trees' Farewell to the Shade. There are a few > others, including some from the > Chameleons. My He Said - 'Hail' cd pressed by MPO/France has visible holes in the silver. Strange, but it's only where the red ink is in the disc. You can hear the tracking errors when it is played. I remember in the early days of cds there was some concern over the types of inks used on the disc surfaces. I have a few early Virgin releases that have bronzed, but still play fine. wnd3 ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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