From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #256 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] sweeping gestures ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] MARS [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] MARS ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: Mr. Marx's etc. [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #255 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] WILDERNESS ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WILDERNESS [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WILDERNESS [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Stream of Consciousness part 3 (working on 24) [RLynn9@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Disc rot (was Coil) ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] sweeping gestures > Sorry, just had a mental image of Radio 4 and Longwave on the same bill with > Henry Bloefelt on guest vocals. > > AndyL God forbid, eh Andrew! As someone who stands firmly *against* the middle class "I watch the cricket on tv with the sound turned down so I can listen to Radio 4" (CMJ over Richie Benaud? Bollocks!), I would just like to say that (to quote the other "Foxie"), come the glorious day, Henry is definitely bop bop against the wall ; ) Keith NP Akatombo - trace elements ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:40:12 -0400 From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #255 > >The pacing is pretty good for the > >most part, except for the inclusion of Half Eaten, >> which, quite frankly, is appalling. Should be called >> Half Arsed. Honest to God, what were they thinking ? >Does anyone like Half Eaten? Definitely one of the worst Wire tracks IMO. >I'd have shoved it on a b-side at best Oh no no no no no no, way off the mark! Half Eaten, like Nice Streets Above, is a very desirable counterpoint to the fairly straight song/lyrical structures elsewhere on Send IMO. I can happily listen to Half Eaten as a standalone too - I like the Gilbertian growling and playful guitar solo. Perhaps, as its title hints. it's not a 'finished' idea, but I'm glad they stuck it on anyway. Enjoyed the Bursa/Lynn debate - done with spirit and without rancour (to be pronounced after the manner of the late Roy 'Woy' Jenkins haha). Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:45:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disc rot (was Coil) > >reminding me anew of my recent discovery that my 10-or-so-year-old copy of > > christ &the pale queens is suffering from the dreaded disc rot ... only > > case of such that i know of in my collection, My only known example is the thankfully now redundant Blue Orchids "View from the City" comp, which has gone a nasty shade of bronze and distorts horribly. The Manchester Peel sessions compilatrion of similar vintage has gone the same colour, but still plays fine. Probably worth backing up just in case though! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:46:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > >>lots of devil-worshippers, nazis, and pretentious folks in Little Rock, > Arkansas then eh Dan....don't guess the esteemed Mr.Bursa will be visiting > there > anytime soon....<< > > I'll have you know that I've been to Arkansas! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:48:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > >>mark's always welcome here in montgomery (my house is 2 1/2 miles or so > from > the site of the 10 commandments frenzy), of course -- *someone* has to > ferret out the source of all those creaming jesus &wumpscut cds that showed > up last year at a since-closed shop, which come to think of it also provided > me with a used copy of c93's faust ...<< Why thank you. As you would be here in Weybridge! I've been to Montgomery Alabama as well - I even spent a night there, in 1987. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:54:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/29/2003 12:34:58 AM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >>. squirming out of relationships just before Christmas or Valentine's > >>Day... > >>2. pulling on oppositions jersey to slow them down during a > football/soccer > >>encounter > >>3. taunting religious zealots > >>4. the sleeper hold > >>5. onanism > >>6. sleeping with my eyes open > >>7. astral projection > >>8. fantasizing about Catherine Zeta Jones > >>9. screening phonecalls > >>10. blocking out putrid odours (developed while working for the city > morgue > >>in the summer) > >> > >>RL > >> > > > >My boy (ethereal arm around the shoulder at this point) - lets discuss > these > >things one at a time.Starting with point 8. > >Chris > > Are 8 &10 connected? > I only hope 5 and 10 aren't connected! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:03:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] sweeping gestures > >>Keuth A has >>Just seen Longwave on MTV << > > Sorry, just had a mental image of Radio 4 and Longwave on the same bill with > Henry Bloefelt on guest vocals.<< > > Broacast's set interrupted half way through for the shipping forecast. Games > of Mornington Crescent instead of a DJ. Punk-funk remixes of Thought for the > Day (with Rabbi Lionel Blue). Nice thought! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:15:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > so now we're on to necrophilia ... no *wonder* mark finds coil's stuff so > bland. Barry White. The Walrus of Death. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:17:41 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Off Topic] ATDI, Sparta, Mars Volta, etc. << Well - 2/5th of the band did. The other 3/5ths became Sparta. Has anyone heard anything by Sparta? I think we've established what the Mars Volta sounds like. (^_^) >> one of my writers composed a mini-review of this disc: http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Sparta__WiretapScars.htm he really liked it, apparently. so much so that part of my X-Mas present was a CD-R copy. (he's been unemployed for a while....) anyway, i listened to it only once or twice and, well, i don't remember. which means that it did not make much of an impression. so there you go! PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:31:51 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) << My boy (ethereal arm around the shoulder at this point) - lets discuss these things one at a time.Starting with point 8. >> i would like to offer some support to Mr. Astbury here. Ms. Zeta-Jones. yum. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:44:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/29/03 7:33:05 AM Central Daylight Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > < these things one at a time.Starting with point 8. >> > > i would like to offer some support to Mr. Astbury here. Ms. Zeta-Jones. > yum. > > PJK > > actually..you offering support to me,....Mr. Astbury and several other people do not seem to think too highly of Catherine... why the hell not?!!! what the hell is wrong with you boys!?? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:21:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MARS > I thought Muse did a couple of half-decent singles early on, until they > decided to become the new Queen. Still, I have to say I enjoy the singers > cavortings, there was an especially great (comedy) performance on kids telly > once. Sadly his throne has now been stolen by the mighty Darkness ; ) > > As for my local band Mansun (Chester band my arse. The mainman Draper lived > in Deeside!) Muse... Mansun... musically both had some moments, but I don't understand how anybody can stand those singers. Just horrible! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:14:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > actually..you offering support to me,....Mr. Astbury and several other people > do not seem to think too highly of Catherine... > > why the hell not?!!! what the hell is wrong with you boys!?? > > RL Does nowt for me, lad. Now the actress who plays Detective Diane Russell in NYPD Blue.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:31:28 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent > my only complaint with the new Ulrich Schnauss is that he seems to rely on > the same gimmicks too much....sort of like Sigur Ros or some Cocteau Twins > material... Is this guy by any chance related to Schnautzi die Wunderhund? I remember good old Schnautzi having his way with Wolfgang & G|nther's Wiedergutmachungsschnitzel. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MARS > Muse... Mansun... musically both had some moments, but I don't understand > how anybody can stand those singers. Just horrible! > > Bart I thought Draper did a very nice line in eye-liner meself ; ) On a different note... >NP Akatombo - trace elements Someone asked me recently what it sounded like, and the first thing that came to mind was 23 Skidoo. Not all of it by any means, but there's certainly a couple of tracks that remind me of Seven Songs. Any thoughts? K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:53:21 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Mr. Marx's etc. >From: "Keith Astbury" >PS No taker's on the Wire being 'sexy' then! Not even Robert's famous sinewy >arms!!! I don't know about "sexy", but my wife definitely has a thing for Colin Newman. I agree with Fergus (and others) re. SPENT. To me, the 4 new tracks are the new Wire ep--good, but not as good as RnB 1 or 2. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:30:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #255 In a message dated 8/29/03 5:40:39 AM Central Daylight Time, HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: > Enjoyed the Bursa/Lynn debate - done with spirit and without rancour (to be > pronounced after the manner of the late Roy 'Woy' Jenkins haha). > > Howard much love to my boy Bursa.....we wuz havin' some good natured fun... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:33:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/28/03 6:34:58 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > 8. fantasizing about Catherine Zeta Jones > > > 9. screening phonecalls > > > 10. blocking out putrid odours (developed while working for the city > morgue > > > in the summer) > > > > > > RL > > > > > > > My boy (ethereal arm around the shoulder at this point) - lets discuss > these > > things one at a time.Starting with point 8. > > Chris > > Are 8 & 10 connected? alright Astbury...that's about enough outta you...you should support one of your own (Welsh)!...what's wrong with ya? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:35:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/28/03 6:23:40 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > 8. fantasizing about Catherine Zeta Jones > RL > >> > > > My boy (ethereal arm around the shoulder at this point) - lets discuss these > things one at a time.Starting with point 8. > Chris > do you mean that in a good way or a bad way? because some leather-trouser-wearing-Marc-Bolan-fetishist seems to think she is less than magnificent... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:37:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/28/03 4:55:54 PM Central Daylight Time, saintgermain@earthlink.net writes: > > c'mon...most rock and pop songs are about love or fucking or a > > combination of > > the two... > > > > > wait, wait, wait: they can be COMBINED?!? how long has this been going > on?! > > kristoph > of course they can..it just takes the right sort of lube.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:43:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > alright Astbury...that's about enough outta you...you should support one of > your own (Welsh)!...what's wrong with ya? > > RL You'll be telling me to listen to The Stereophonics next ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:46:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MARS >> Muse... Mansun... musically both had some moments, but I don't understand >> how anybody can stand those singers. Just horrible! > I thought Draper did a very nice line in eye-liner meself ; ) So THAT's why you're not partial to Mrs. Zeta Jones Keith ;-) Bart (not too keen myself either) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:14:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > >alright Astbury...that's about enough outta you...you should support one > of > >your own (Welsh)!...what's wrong with ya? > > > >RL > > You'll be telling me to listen to The Stereophonics next ; ) Excellent! Post of the day!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:21:33 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) I've always considered Coil (whom I enjoy immensely) as a variation on psychedelic music and this discussion could apply any of the criticisms or supports of Coil (and their ilk - and please RLynn don't dash off 2 dozen consecutive stream of consciousness emails to react to my comments - one thought out considered one carries much more impact) - could also be applied to many of the psyche-school of music making as they tend to involve a voluntary release of the standard paradigm of reality and a certain "buying into" of the concept in order to carry their effect. In much the same way do movies carry their clout with the voluntary suspension of disbelief. If one approaches an artist's work w/ a disposition to suspect their output based on the cultural/stylistic signals that they send out, then one is much less likely to allow oneself to be enveloped by the effect. We all (myself included) do it - I look at certain artists (who will remained unnamed so as not to introduce more XXX is cool you dolt threads) and immediately, even w/out hearing the music dismiss them as faintly or even overtly ridiculous, mundane, non-original, clichid, untalented, whatever. One can't academically argue that any artists that operate on the margins of commercial success and inherently aesthetically superior to any others, it only reflects the nature of the relationship between the performers and their accepting audience (thank you Simon Reynolds) and the shared culture values and signifiers in that relationship. Many people here at Ideal Copy like a wide variety of some musics that fall into various indie ghettos and dislike others. Part of being an active fan of marginal music is also being an active dismisser of other acts, whether mainstream or horribly off-base marginalia. If we are say, fans of Wire, and Wire are not a popular (by the standards of mainstream commercial musical marketing) then we are saying that in some way, our tastes are different, and by implication superior to that of the mainstream - and we communicate with each other on the assumption that those other Wire acolytes share to some degree that same elevated discrimination of artistic excellence. But no to brains, no two reality maps, no two personal paradigms of aesthetic superiority are identical and we all at some part diverge. So let's get off ego-identification driven defense of personal favorites and beyond mentioning our tastes not get into pointless so and so is cool and if you don't like them, by some kind of implication my credibility as a connesure of good music is impinged. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) > > >>yeah...how long ago was that....Tibet is all about Jesus and Light > > now...it's camp theatrics remember?? he was telling a long story...Satan being > > point A ...then the journey to salvation and Jesus being point B....<< > > Sounds like 20:20 hindsight to me! > > > >>and why can't i make comparisions? are you saying the absurdities of the > > "mainstream" are ok and somehow excusable?..and the absurdities of the > > marginalised are not?...wow, i thought only people here in america thought that > > way...<< > > You're becoming a master of missing the point! Just asking you to compare > like with like. There's little to be gained from comparing Coil to Reality TV, > for example. I was just pointing out my perceived absurdities in Coil, without > needing to justify that by citing greater absurdities elsewhere. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:32:00 +0100 From: Rob Bagley Subject: [none] how do Iunsubscribe from this group am going away thnx rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:46:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/29/03 10:32:06 AM Central Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > I've always considered Coil (whom I enjoy immensely) as a variation on > psychedelic music and this discussion could apply any of the criticisms or > supports of Coil (and their ilk - and please RLynn don't dash off 2 dozen > consecutive stream of consciousness emails to react to my comments - one > thought out considered one carries much more impact) - yes sir!..and while i'm at it should i "purchase some cds" from your record label to "bury the hatchet"? Robert-stream-of-consciousness-is-fun-Lynn p.s. i apologize for the inside joke/dig..but Mr.Graziano know what i'm talkin' about ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:53:13 +0000 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] WILDERNESS I travelled far and wide through many different times What did I see there? Entertainment? If disposability is the best these drugged circus entertainers could aspire to, they may soon find themselves approaching TOTAL SOUL DEATH. Britpap was a symptom of a greater malaise in this doomed country, which is so often reflected in the repetitious mediocrity of The Idle Prattle (UK section). WIRE of course have more important things to do. Witness Colin as he describes his passion: he wishes to effect a transformation of so called dance and rock, merge, and push on. "Aim high," he says, "You might acheive some of it." Music to dance to? Its not music no more! KILLING JOKE is a band who have always aimed high, as Jaz Coleman outlined in the Courtauld Talks. Jaz is attempting nothing less than a complete transformation of Mankind to bring us back into harmony with Mother Earth. This will be a painful transformation for many*, and the mediocre will not survive. One day those who toe the line will find the line vaporized, and Fall into the abyss, where the Prestwich Gremlin might offer to mutter on their platter. Which is why I wish damnation on the Britpap curse and all its vapid flabby tentacles. Don't let yourselves be diverted by this inspid display of retrogressive bland ego flapping. Of course it was an exciting time for music. There was plenty of great music out there if you ignored the tedious retro tripe the hype-media was touting, as usual. The highlight of this tragic spectacle was some speccy ponce flashing his arse at children, but he's no paediatrician him. The Britpap debacle has been a curse for WIRE, and Colin maybe recognised this. I continually encounter interesting people who wonder why I like WIRE so much and am faced with this incredulous sneer of, "Oh, they're that band who influenced Blurb and Espastica. I always kept clear of them." From the cul de sac Turn back on your tracks Turn back *No more cheap airlines. What do you do with a life of work? In part of the finish Plague Dancers Begin In the future Pigeons Move Busily THE LIGHTS ARE OUT! EXIT! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:59:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil (was MARS) In a message dated 8/29/03 10:32:06 AM Central Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > I've always considered Coil (whom I enjoy immensely) as a variation on > psychedelic music and this discussion could apply any of the criticisms or > supports of Coil (and their ilk - and please RLynn don't dash off 2 dozen > consecutive stream of consciousness emails to react to my comments - one > thought out considered one carries much more impact) - nah, how about just two? i don't have the desire today...it's Labor Day weekend...a 3 day holiday for me......might run up to chicago for a weekend of sex, drugs, booze, and rock and roll....i'm too blissed out to give a damn about arguing over what's cool/good/intellectual/crap blah blah blah.......... as Bill Murray chanted in the comedic-feel-good-movie-of-the-summer-of-1979: "MEATBALLS" : "it just doesn't matter..it just doesn't matter...it just doesn't matter..." p.s. what was important to me yesterday, is no longer important today... np - Conrad Schnitzler "Charred Machinery" (how's that for thinking i'm oh so cool?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:17:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WILDERNESS uh-oh... >>KILLING JOKE is a band who have always aimed high, as Jaz Coleman outlined in the Courtauld Talks. Jaz is attempting nothing less than a complete transformation of Mankind to bring us back into harmony with Mother Earth. This will be a painful transformation for many*, and the mediocre will not survive. << As if to underline my views of yesterday, here again we have a musician who, like Coil and the post-TG crowd, has produced decent and intersting work (though not always), but who surrounds it with hokey, risible cod-philosophy. Jazbert Coleman is a rock musician, not the blimmin' messiah. "Complete transformation of mankind"? Arse. >>WIRE of course have more important things to do. Witness Colin as he describes his passion: he wishes to effect a transformation of so called dance and rock, merge, and push on. "Aim high," he says, "You might acheive some of it."<< Sounds a lot more realistic an aim for a musician to have! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:25:07 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WILDERNESS In a message dated 8/29/03 11:17:54 AM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >>KILLING JOKE is a band who have always aimed high, as Jaz Coleman outlined > in the Courtauld Talks. Jaz is attempting nothing less than a complete > transformation of Mankind to bring us back into harmony with Mother Earth. > This will be a painful transformation for many*, and the mediocre will not > survive. << > > As if to underline my views of yesterday, here again we have a musician who, > > like Coil and the post-TG crowd, has produced decent and intersting work > (though not always), but who surrounds it with hokey, risible cod-philosophy. > > > Jazbert Coleman is a rock musician, not the blimmin' messiah. > > "Complete transformation of mankind"? Arse. commence countdown.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:57:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Stream of Consciousness part 3 (working on 24) In a message dated 8/29/03 10:32:06 AM Central Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > So let's get off > ego-identification driven defense of personal favorites and beyond > mentioning our tastes not get into pointless so and so is cool and if you > don't like them, by some kind of implication my credibility as a connesure > of good music is impinged. > sg like i said before...we wuz jus' havin' a li'l fun...besides, IF i wanted to seem "cool" and "weird" and "avant garde" would i REALLY admit to fantasizing about Catherine Zeta Jones and actually having watched a mainstream movie like Meatballs??? much less admitting on a regular basis my love for Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, The Human League, OMD, Ultravox, John Foxx and other synth-poppers?...oh yeah, and aren't i the one who always blathers on about comic books? INTELLECTUALS do not read comic books much less collect them....OR would i admit to playing football (soocer) ...now we all know that it's not "cool" to play sports..at least not in the world of the avant-gardist music/film/literature world.... so methinks your comments were mistakenly directed my way... RL np- Madonna "Ray of Light" ...her best ever imho..William Orbit did a great job on this....oh wait, i love Coil & NWW, what am i doing with a Madge cd?? for shame! please don't tell anyone on the Coil list... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:26:53 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disc rot (was Coil) add c93's hitler as kalki (not sure about pale queens, actually -- i was misremembering its cover as kalki's, & can't find my copy of p.q. at the moment) & earth covers earth to the list as well ... dan >> >reminding me anew of my recent discovery that my 10-or-so-year-old copy of >> > christ &the pale queens is suffering from the dreaded disc rot ... only >> > case of such that i know of in my collection, > >My only known example is the thankfully now redundant Blue Orchids "View from >the City" comp, which has gone a nasty shade of bronze and distorts horribly. >The Manchester Peel sessions compilatrion of similar vintage has gone the >same colour, but still plays fine. Probably worth backing up just in case though! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:28:13 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Off Topic] ATDI, Sparta, Mars Volta, etc. >one of my writers composed a mini-review of this disc: >http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Sparta__WiretapScars.htm > >he really liked it, apparently. so much so that part of my X-Mas present was a CD-R copy. (he's been unemployed for a while....) as have i, but i don't have a burner. alms for the poor, anyone? dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:53:25 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #255 In a message dated 29/08/2003 15:31:26 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > much love to my boy Bursa.....we wuz havin' some good natured fun... > > RL > I actually think Ms Zeta Jones is a very horny female specimen.Catherine Deneuve (SP?) & Helen Mirren topped her in their day I offer to you to debate.Really sexy women. Oh dear I'm getting a hot flush .... Bad for my already raised blood pressure thinking about ladies like that. Red Chris NP. Sigur Ros ( ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:57:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #255 In a message dated 8/29/03 1:53:25 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > I actually think Ms Zeta Jones is a very horny female specimen.Catherine > Deneuve (SP?) & Helen Mirren topped her in their day I offer to you to debate. > Really sexy women. > Oh dear I'm getting a hot flush .... Bad for my already raised blood > pressure thinking about ladies like that. > > > Red Chris > yeah...usually i prefer the starlets from older films...just the other night Lana Turner was on and after that Jane Russell........YUUUUUUUUUUUUMMM RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:05:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disc rot (was Coil) > >> > christ &the pale queens is suffering from the dreaded disc rot ... only > >> > case of such that i know of in my collection, > > > >My only known example is the thankfully now redundant Blue Orchids "View > from > >the City" comp, which has gone a nasty shade of bronze and distorts > horribly. > >The Manchester Peel sessions compilatrion of similar vintage has gone the > >same colour, but still plays fine. Probably worth backing up just in case > though! > > > >Mark As far as I know I haven't got any cd's with 'disc rot' - do they just fail to play totally? I ask, cos I've come across a few old ones that have gone a bronzey colour as above, but touch wood, they still play. Is disc rot a question of time then? Re. Killing Joke's new album. There's a real difference in opinion here. Bill thinks it's the bees knees, Robert doesn't rate it (their worst?). And I haven't heard ANYTHING from it yet. The type of Killing Joke I *really* like is the 1st LP, Money Is Not Our God, the opening 3 tracks of Pandemonium, etc. Should I get it? Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #256 *******************************