From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #253 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 28 2003 Volume 06 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: MID PRICE MADNESS from Mute Bank ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] [idealcopy] MARS [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: SP spent spent spent SPIT [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:19:57 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: MID PRICE MADNESS from Mute Bank >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:52:03 +0100 >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: MID PRICE MADNESS from Mute Bank > > >ultra vivid scene-blood and thunder > > When's this from, Paul ? > > > ///////its the single off the (excellent) 3rd album "rev". a real >neglected >classic IMO , probably my favourite of the 3. p > Rev is a great album. I personally prefer Joy 1967-1990 myself, but it's probably because that was the first Ultra Vivid Scene album that I bought (after I saw them open for Bob Mould in 1990). I still don't have the first self-titled Ultra Vivid Scene album yet, though. Jason Now Playing: Life Without Buildings - "The Leanover" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:12:08 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: SP spent spent spent SPIT This was the link I posted yesterday from the Toronto Star. Enjoy the plain text version. Sex Pistols spat off the stage by loyal fans BEN RAYNER POP MUSIC CRITIC The Sex Pistols' best asset at the moment is probably that no one expects a damn thing from them. Excitement about their second reunion tour  the first was 1996's "Filthy Lucre" road show  had been so muted leading up to last night's Molson Amphitheatre date that one wondered if anyone would show up at all. Promotion of the 13-date North American tour has been low-key and frequently ambivalent on the band's part, the music press has been nearly silent on the matter and, rather refreshingly, there's no piece-of-crap reunion album or crass greatest-hits "package" making the rounds to artificially drum up interest in a pack of shabby old punks with nothing new to say. As much as this little return to action might be for the money, then, it would also seem aimed at those fans who still care enough to seek it out. No more, no less. Those fans  a loud lot peopled more heavily by first-generation punks (and, in many cases, their offspring) than fashion-'hawked acolytes of Blink 182, Sum 41 and Good Charlotte  were subjected to a surprisingly rowdy and confrontational set from still-thuggish Pistols John Lydon, Steve Jones, Paul Cook and Glen Matlock last night. The highlight, as one might expect, was a non-musical one. The band wound the crowd of 7,000 or 8,000 up enough with raw, brutish helpings of "Bodies," "No Feelings" and "God Save The Queen" at the top of the show to get a steady barrage of foam-splattering beer cups, water bottles and gob raining down upon the stage. By the fifth tune, though, frontman Lydon   who does a sort of wired Johnny Rotten drag act these days between swigs from a 40-ouncer of brandy  was singling out one particularly accurate spitter for punishment. "You f---in' lumberjack, you stop spitting or I'll cave your f---in' head in," offered Lydon, warning the crowd to "police yourselves." The inevitable cataract of spit came ripping back, and he stalked offstage with the band with the parting shot, "Canada, I hope you enjoy socialism, `cause it's stuck you up the arse." Boos mingled with chants of "Johnny! Johnny!" and a couple of folding chairs were hurled at the stage. Skittish security guards braced for the worst as the mood shifted towards angry. And five minutes later, in the least punk-rock move of the night  but one roundly appreciated  Lydon and company skulked back on stage and kicked sloppily into the Stooges' "No Fun" while bodies from the cheap seats swarmed the stands, overwhelmed security and took advantage of his invitation: "Come down 'ere and say hello to the wealthy!" Whether it was rock theatre or a genuine tantrum, it injected a degree of genuine anarchy into the evening and got an already energetic crowd on side. And though the band's work was, at times, completely, if endearingly, half-assed  Jones missed a note mere seconds into the guitar intro to an otherwise fine opening rendition of "Bodies" and some tunes were slowed to a desperate, wheezing crawl  the abuse stoked the Pistols to reasonably walloping versions of "Holidays In The Sun," "EMI" and, of course, "Anarchy In The U.K." Punk enough to do. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eric Klaver Sent: August 26, 2003 1:13 PM To: Idealcopy@Smoe. Org Subject: [idealcopy] OT: SP spent spent spent SPIT Mr. Lydon and crew stopped by yesterday: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1061849412751&call_pageid=968867495754&col=9694831916 30 Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:11:04 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Haroldo de Campos 1929-2003 Haroldo de Campos, 73, Form-Bending Poet, Dies By SIMON ROMERO Haroldo de Campos, who transformed words into whimsical diagrams and subtle critiques of formal poetry as a founder of the 1950's Concrete poetry movement in Brazil, died Aug. 16 in Sco Paulo. He was 73. The cause was complications of diabetes, the newspaper O Globo reported. Mr. de Campos was perhaps the best known of the Brazilian Concrete poets, who often arranged the letters of the words in their poems in shapes that would lend them multiple meanings. The Concretists arrived on the international literary scene as Brazil, imbued with the modernism that also resulted in the completion of the planned capital Brasmlia in 1960, flirted with different artistic forms. With his brother, Augusto, and with Dicio Pignatari, Mr. de Campos formed a group that sought to create a new form of expression by removing stereotypical traces of Brazilian culture from their work. One result was a cosmopolitan body of writing that reflected the pragmatic, gritty industrialism of Sco Paulo and that drew visual inspiration from European artists like Mondrian and Brancusi. The Cuban writer Severo Sarduy called Mr. de Campos the "Pound-like patriarch" of the Concrete poets, in reference to the poet Ezra Pound. Haroldo Eurico Browne de Campos was born to a middle-class family in Sco Paulo in 1929 and graduated from the University of Sco Paulo with a law degree. He shunned the legal profession, however, preferring to risk his hand at literary experimentation. A prolific essayist, translator and polyglot, Mr. de Campos translated works into Portuguese from Chinese, German, Spanish, Greek, Hebrew, English, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Latin and Provengal. In doing so, he often adopted a freewheeling practice called transcreation, which allowed him to intersperse translations with his own ideas. Mr. de Campos's translations sometimes took the form of literary collaborations, as in "Transblanco," a 1986 work in which he drew on correspondence and discussions with the Mexican poet Octavio Paz to produce a Brazilian version of Paz's poetry. The Mexican government awarded Mr. de Campos the Octavio Paz Prize in 1999. Mr. de Campos had widespread influence on Brazilian popular music, with composers like Caetano Veloso basing songs on his poems. Mr. de Campos is survived by his wife, Carmen, and a son, Ivan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:56:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] sweeping gestures >i reckon what we'll get now is a return to bigger , sweeping gesture type >music (ie 81 moves to 83). somehow i think we'll be seeing the "new smiths" all >too soon. p Just seen Longwave on MTV and I think they might come into this category, even if they've gone straight to 83-85. They're not the new Smiths by any means - there's not a gladioli or hearing aid in sight - but I can see them appealing to people who liked the U2 / Bunnymen / Simple Minds windswept grandiose thing. But with a gtr sound that wouldn't sound out of place on the Wild Swans under-rated gem, Bringing Home The Ashes. Keith NP The Abyssinians - satta massagana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:53:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] spend so, while there were initially a few complaints regarding the issuing of the r&b's and then send with 75% of it coming from what we fans already had bought, i think we can all look back pretty well satisfied with our purchases. some of us even went to the extra expense of picking up the vinyl version as well. we were rewarded with unique items, such as the autographed cards, special scents, and of course cds of live recordings. i'm very happy with my trio of cds. they look beautiful together, and sound even...well, you know :o) compare that to what i received in my email today...[begin rant] the new goldfrapp single is yet another of these 2 individual cd releases (who the hell came up with this idea?? i hated when james and new order did it and quickly stopped buying these things, fearing i'd be living out on the street without even a cd player to play them on), only nowadays the consumer gets treated to a third disc! a dvd single! so i now have the privilige of spending 3x a reasonable amount to own what? several versions of one song including a video of it, a live version of 2 or 3 other songs i already own, and 1, yes 1 additional non lp song! i don't think so. i know people have to earn a living, but such blatant rip-offedness really offends.[end rant] - -paul (if yer gonna call it a 'single' please make it a single) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:15:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re: spent In the US, if we are lucky enough to get a single release, it usually has all of the UK singles tracks on one cd. The price evens out as well. wnd3 > the new goldfrapp single is yet another of these 2 > individual cd releases > (who the hell came up with this idea?? i hated when > james and new order did it > and quickly stopped buying these things, fearing i'd > be living out on the street > without even a cd player to play them on), only > nowadays the consumer gets > treated to a third disc! a dvd single! so i now have > the privilige of spending > 3x a reasonable amount to own what? several versions > of one song including a > video of it, a live version of 2 or 3 other songs i > already own, and 1, yes 1 > additional non lp song! i don't think so. i know > people have to earn a living, > but such blatant rip-offedness really offends.[end > rant] > > -paul (if yer gonna call it a 'single' please make > it a single) c.d. > > www.mp3.com/winteracademy ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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Listen to CUR1350, returning in about a month! - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:29:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent Yeah, apparently some years back, the US record companies had the brilliant idea to eliminate a lot of the singles. They figured if people like the song that much they'll buy the album. That worked out great for a while. Six months after the hit non-single was done you could pick up the used albums very cheaply. Then an amazing invention happened: the internet! Why buy that album when you can download only the track you wanted in the first place? Legal downloads? Too late to catch on. Too expensive. No messy cd case and artwork to clutter your shelves. Seems to me a singles sale is better than no sale at all. But, the record companies never ask their customers what they would prefer. wnd3 - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/27/03 11:17:10 AM Central > Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com > writes: > > > In the US, if we are lucky enough to get a single > > release, it usually has all of the UK singles > tracks > > on one cd. The price evens out as well. > > > > wnd3 > > > > that is definitly IF we even get the single > release... > > RL ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:29:49 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent Yeah, apparently some years back, the US record companies had the brilliant idea to eliminate a lot of the singles. They figured if people like the song that much they'll buy the album. That worked out great for a while. Six months after the hit non-single was done you could pick up the used albums very cheaply. Then an amazing invention happened: the internet! Why buy that album when you can download only the track you wanted in the first place? Legal downloads? Too late to catch on. Too expensive. No messy cd case and artwork to clutter your shelves. Seems to me a singles sale is better than no sale at all. But, the record companies never ask their customers what they would prefer. wnd3 - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/27/03 11:17:10 AM Central > Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com > writes: > > > In the US, if we are lucky enough to get a single > > release, it usually has all of the UK singles > tracks > > on one cd. The price evens out as well. > > > > wnd3 > > > > that is definitly IF we even get the single > release... > > RL ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.Ttime to fire Blair and other interesting stuff Friend of mine forwarded this,some of you may find them of interest... http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=437505 NYPress - The Bunker - George Szamuely - Vol. 15, Iss. 2 Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T and other interesting stuff.......... http://nypress.com/inside.cfm?content_id=5693 Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:11 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: SP spent spent spent SPIT On Wednesday, Aug 27, 2003, at 09:12 America/Detroit, Eric Klaver wrote: >  Lydon and company skulked back on stage and kicked > sloppily into the Stooges' "No Fun" while bodies from the cheap seats > swarmed the stands, overwhelmed security and took advantage of his > invitation: "Come down 'ere and say hello to the wealthy!" great coincidence, it was during 'no fun' at the Stooges' concert in detroit monday night when the stage was swarmed by fans at Iggy's request. cups of beer were also observed taking flight toward the stage. the comparison probably ends there, as the Stooges put on an incredible show, were well received, etc. (openers Sonic Youth did not disappoint those who cared to listen, or to observe their feedback-maelstrom-inducing guitar-as-light-sabre battles.) kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] have the........ ......C.D's arrived yet?if not I'll burn them Sunday (I'm workin' Saturday) and re-send 'em on monday.....(maybe your postman is a Tom Waits fan).............Ari Yahoo! 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"Marrs Needs Women" from "Armed Audio Warfare" by Meat Beat Manifesto "Life on Mars" from "Hunky Dory" by David Bowie "Ziggy Stardust" from "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars" by David Bowie and i'm still digging through my collection.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:27:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: spent don't get me wrong. i love singles! i just don't like having to buy one single three times in order to get the three b-sides. i love fancy packages, but i don't need three when i could have one. i don't want to pay for downloads. i am more than happy to buy the artist's work packaged in a way the artist feels complements the audio, and if that's a clear plastic sleeve that's fine too. looking at the goldfrapp example, they could just as easily release a single cd featuring everything that's on the three individual ones, but i'm sure these things have much more to do with making money than making art. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 8/27/03 12:31:14 PM, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > Yeah, apparently some years back, the US record > >companies had the brilliant idea to eliminate a lot of > >the singles. They figured if people like the song that > >much they'll buy the album. That worked out great for > >a while. Six months after the hit non-single was done > >you could pick up the used albums very cheaply. Then > >an amazing invention happened: the internet! Why buy > >that album when you can download only the track you > >wanted in the first place? Legal downloads? Too late > >to catch on. Too expensive. No messy cd case and > >artwork to clutter your shelves. > > > >Seems to me a singles sale is better than no sale at > >all. > > > >But, the record companies never ask their customers > >what they would prefer. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:41:12 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: SP spent spent spent SPIT In a message dated 8/27/03 4:18:50 PM, saintgermain@earthlink.net writes: >during 'no fun' at the Stooges' concert in >detroit monday night when the stage was swarmed by fans at Iggy's >request. cups of beer were also observed taking flight toward the >stage. the comparison probably ends there, as the Stooges put on an >incredible show, were well received, etc. (openers Sonic Youth did not > >disappoint those who cared to listen, or to observe their >feedback-maelstrom-inducing guitar-as-light-sabre battles.) i went to the jones beach show here a couple weeks ago. same scene. actually the crowd rushed the stage the second iggy took the stage, greeting the audience with a rowdy "f*ck you!" i thought sonic youth were amazing! hadn't seen them at all in the past 14 years. only disappointing thing about the stooges show was repeating i wanna be your dog for an encore. oh how i hate when a band plays the same song twice. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #253 *******************************