From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #227 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 06 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] It's not the side effects of the cocaine ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Was it you...... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? ["Tim ****" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace ["John Roberts" <] Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] rock'n'roll animal [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace [Eardrumbuz@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? ["Tim ****" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] It's not the side effects of the cocaine Well, my daughter has got the curly hair reminiscent from Lou's permed years, so perhaps there's something to it. Little Jimmy Scott, yeah. God he was dull. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 01 August 2003 03:10 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's not the side effects of the cocaine >>Was that at the Hammersmith Odeon? If so it was 1992. << Yep, that sounds about right. With a guest appearance from Little Jimmy Scott. >> My wife was pregnant with our daughter, although the latter has yet to show the rudeness and heroin addiction which would confirm the theory of womb memory.<< Ha! excellent!! Is she currently sporting a mullet too? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Was it you...... .........that posted that you had the Bowie BBC sessions?Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:22:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? > > >Does anybody know if promo videos were made for any Ac Marias singles? > > > Just Talk, Time was and One of our girls... > > At least two of them were broadcast on Snub. > > Mark I'm almost certain that the latter one was. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] lou reed.... .........in my opinion WAS a pretty darn good rock n roller,but his last 3-4 offerings leave me yawning,as I said over a year ago on this list I think he's lost the art of songwritting,he should return to his roots.Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:45:40 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Does anybody know if promo videos were made for any Ac Marias singles? Just Talk, Time was and One of our girls... At least two of them were broadcast on Snub. Mark I'm almost certain that the latter one was. >Thanks, would be nice to see all three complete as Snub generally only >played 2 min or so of most promos. Shame there isn't anything for Drop/So! Sadly lacking Dome video footage then!? Thanks Bart, Bo & Mark Tim np - baby dee, severed heads - alaskan polar bear heater - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Astbury" To: , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:22:23 +0100 > > >Does anybody know if promo videos were made for any Ac Marias singles? > > > Just Talk, Time was and One of our girls... > > At least two of them were broadcast on Snub. > > Mark I'm almost certain that the latter one was. _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:01:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? > Shame there isn't anything for Drop/So! > > Sadly lacking Dome video footage then!? > > Thanks Bart, Bo & Mark > > Tim I know I can stick my nose in a lot Tim, but not about this topic this time... Just down to Bo & Mark ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Silence please ! Poets at work ! This one was actually Keith's original (and imo the better one). >> Denis Law was fortunate >> to have a name that rhymed with score. >> Poor old Roger Hunt >> wasn't quite so lucky. Bart ))) Jayziz Keith I nearly pissed meself laughin' at that one. Brilliant. Inescapably reminds me of the Bard o' Scunthorpe, John Cooper Clarke. This is JCC's take on Haiku, which is supposed to be about saying everything in 17 syllables: "To express oneself in seventeen syllables is very diffic." Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:51:57 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... > .........in my opinion WAS a pretty darn good rock n roller Lou was *great*. It really doesn't come much better than the VU & Nico. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] You have crossed the li-ine Two films I saw recently I'd recommend: Veronica Guerin: Just released in the UK today, it tells the story of Sunday Independant journo Veronica Geurin (pr. Geer-in, not Gare-in, as they were pronouncing it on Newsnight review) who was murdered in '96. An incredibly headstrong and stubborn woman, she thought, foolishly, "it wouldn't happen" despite warnings, her death actually forced a change in the Irish constitution whereby unexplainable wealth could be frozen by The Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB). Prior to this the cops couldn't touch the dealers. The dealers just laughed at them, whilst god knows how many lives were being wrecked by drugs. Her death sent a shockwave through Irish society. No-one had shot a journalist before. Talk about shooting the messenger... A line had been crossed. It had that kind of JFK effect... everyone remembered what they were doing at the time. I remember it well. 6th June 1996. Anyway, it's very well played, a very strong all Irish cast (apart from Blanchett, whose accent was flawless), sensitively handled. Directed by Joel "Speed" Schumacher no less ! Very understated for him. My only criticism was I'd like to have known more about Geurin's charachter, and what drove her to be so persistant in situations of increasing danger to her and her family. Good Bye Lenin A hilarious film about an East German family whose mother has a heart attack and goes into a coma just prior to the fall of the wall. On waking eight months later, her family's attempts to keep the reality from her become more and more absurd and hilarious, including shooting spoof news reports about Westerners 'defecting' east to escape capitalism ! Highly recommended. Right. I'm off to see Terminator 3 tommorrow... Enjoy the weekend chaps. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:49:45 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Yup, Time Was and One of Our Girls were definitely shown. Just Talk might have been shown on the first ever Snub which was the only one I ever missed. On Tyranny of the Beat listing: Could the different track listing vary from CD and vinyl? There was also a video which featured different tracks to the CD. It included a live Dome performance at the Hacienda from what I remember. Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:22:23 +0100 > > > > >Does anybody know if promo videos were made for any Ac Marias >singles? > > > > > Just Talk, Time was and One of our girls... > > > > At least two of them were broadcast on Snub. > > > > Mark > >I'm almost certain that the latter one was. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:23:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rock'n'roll animal In a message dated 7/31/03 3:52:47 PM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > This afternoon I visited a > comic-shop for the first time in ages and the fat hippie there played > nothing but live Jethro Tull - what a cliche) Speaking of comic shops: a) my local comic book shop plays a lot of stuff that i turned them onto...so i have the pleasure of shopping whilst the likes of Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream cascade from the speakers...not to mention Wire, He Said, Colin Newman (Bruce is too much for them), Eno, Roxy Music, The Smiths, Joy Division, etc etc... b) i was finally able to pick up "The Road to America" by Baru as well as "Joe's Bar" by Munoz and Sampayo...picked up some "Rocco Vargas" collections by Daniel Torres as well as some of the "Love and Rockets" collections by Los Bros. Hernandez it's interesting how comics are still looked upon as trashy kiddy stuff with no content....America is the birthplace of the comic book and it gets no respect...sure there tons of stupid comics with muscle bound guys in tights but those are for kids and shouldn't be judged by adults...but there are so many good comics (or should i say graphic novels?) for adults....i was on the bus the other day reading Ted McKeever's "Metropol" and a guy says to me; "i could have sworn you were older than 12...you still reading kiddy books?" .... sigh ... the Europeans (especially the Dutch and the Spanish) have elevated the artform to art.... ok..i'm done ranting RL np - Stina Nordenstam "Dynamite" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:26:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire and co on comps the video however, is a live Dome clip for "Rolling Up on My Day" (i think?)...i have it somewhere...it consists of Bruce jumping up and down whilst Graham, Marias, (and Mills?) play on the upper level (balcony?) of the Hacienda...kind of like he is trying to jump from the floor level (dancefloor?) to where they are...and that's all it is....kind of amusing too bad Jake and Dinos Chapman weren't around back then eh? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:39:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) In a message dated 7/31/03 4:34:35 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > hmm ... not down here in the southern u.s. -- where, of course, no one > blinked an eye when loretta lynn rhymed "hard" & "tired" in coal-miner's > daughter. > > dan by the way...i am distantly related to Loretta Lynn although i have never met her... and before you say it, i realize that nobody gives a rat's ass.... and speaking of country music...the legendary Tammy Wynette passed away here in St. Louis (about 5 min. from my house at Barnes Hospital..a top cancer research facility) and while she was laid up an acquaintence of mine had the poor taste to try to visit her and get her to sign his copy of "Justified and Ancient" by the KLF/Wynette..... kind of funny...but then again disgusting RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:13:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Silence please ! Poets at work ! > This is JCC's > take on Haiku, which is supposed to be about saying > everything in 17 syllables: > > "To express oneself in seventeen syllables > is very diffic." > > Fergus Now that is genius! Keith NP Best of the Impressions (Having a souly moment!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:39:43 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? >Yup, Time Was and One of Our Girls were definitely shown. >Just Talk might have been shown on the first ever Snub which was >the only one I ever missed. Also, One of Our Girls was included in the second SNUB video collection - that's how I saw it! Directed by Angela, IIRC. >On Tyranny of the Beat listing: Could the different track listing vary from >CD and vinyl? There was also a video which featured different tracks to the >CD. It included a live Dome performance at the Hacienda from what I >remember. Wow - good memory! (^_^) The Dome performance was live at the Hacienda. (More about this in a second) About the extra tracks - according to the front sticker of my edition "Contains extra tracks by Loop (CD/Video) and Fad Gadget (CD) not on UK release". So there! (^_^) The CD listing I posted yesterday was correct, BTW. (^_^) The Video has this listing: 1. SPK - In Flagranto Delicto 2. Cabaret Voltaire - Trust In The Lord 3. Einsturzende Neubauten - Z.N.S. 4. Can - Oh Yeah 5. Swell Maps - Let's Build A Car 6. Dome - Rolling Upon My Day 7. Die Krupps - Germaniac (Speed Version) 8. Boyd Rice (Non) & Frank Tovey (Fad Gadget) - Untitiled 9. Throbbing Gristle - Discipline Extra Track Not On UK Version 10. Loop - Collision And, yes, the video says "Extra Track Not On UK Version". I bought the Video & CD together - deluxe edition. According to the front sticker "Special CD/Video limited edition of 2000". Wow - cool! The price tag is on it too - $18.69 at Tower. Wonder what it would go for on e-bay now? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:11:23 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) >In a message dated 7/31/03 4:34:35 PM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> hmm ... not down here in the southern u.s. -- where, of course, no one >> blinked an eye when loretta lynn rhymed "hard" & "tired" in coal-miner's >> daughter. >> >> dan > > >by the way...i am distantly related to Loretta Lynn although i have never met >her... & i got a congratulatory handshake from her (half-?)sister, crystal gayle, after my side won a "media celebrity" spelling bee in little rock to promote literacy back in the mid-'90s... which surely makes us 3rd or 4th cousins, robert. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:37:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) In a message dated 8/1/03 11:20:00 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > i got a congratulatory handshake from her (half-?)sister, crystal gayle, > after my side won a "media celebrity" spelling bee in little rock to promote > literacy back in the mid-'90s... which surely makes us 3rd or 4th cousins, > robert. > > dan > the honor is all mine....did i mention that i used to be hot for Crystal Gayle when i was youngster? it was the hair RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:33:09 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] On recent subjects .... .... Bowie: add one more from the list for Low. Just after that, the 3 albums that followed. Reed: I loved Rock,n'Roll Animal when I was 16--I can't imagine sitting through 5 minutes of it now. I agree with Mark that the Robert Q. years were particularly good--with the exception of the track for Sylvia (ugh) Blue Mask rates with MMM as my favorite post-Cale Reed. The character spinning in his piano was almost certainly Keith Emerson and (thankfully) not Brian Eno. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:43:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) > > i got a congratulatory handshake from her (half-?)sister, crystal gayle, > > after my side won a "media celebrity" spelling bee in little rock to > promote > > literacy back in the mid-'90s... which surely makes us 3rd or 4th cousins, > > robert. > > > > dan > > > > the honor is all mine....did i mention that i used to be hot for Crystal > Gayle when i was youngster? it was the hair > > RL excuse my ignorance with things American, Robert, but isn't fancying your relatives more of a Southern thing ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:45:15 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? In a message dated 8/1/03 2:50:55 PM GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > Yup, Time Was and One of Our Girls were definitely shown. Just Talk might > have been shown on the first ever Snub which was the only one I ever missed. > /////my recollection is that one of our girls and just talk were definitely shown , not sure i've ever seen time was on tv. one of our girls got shown a couple of times , i think it was also shown on the chart show. snub always showed videos in full , it was the chart show that annihilated everything it touched. there are 4 he said videos (only one i , pump , could you , pulling 3g's). i've seen crappy copies that i guess came off american cable stations , but i've never seen an EGL vid on uk tv. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:08:33 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) this was, of course, before i heard about the distant relation...actually..i had no idea that i might be distantly related to Crystal Gayle until just a few years ago..as i am no country & western afficionado....besides, i'm in the middle of the country so i can swing any way i choose! RL np-Luke Slater's 7th Plain "Four Cornered Room" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:10:34 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) In a message dated 8/1/03 3:46:14 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > excuse my ignorance with things American, Robert, but isn't fancying your > relatives more of a Southern thing ; ) > > > either that, or it makes me a Victorian era Englishman? (or was it earlier than that?) RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:27:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) > > either that, or it makes me a Victorian era Englishman? (or was it earlier > than that?) > > RL Later! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... Keith Astbury wrote: From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Ari Britt" , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:51:57 +0100 > .........in my opinion WAS a pretty darn good rock n roller Lou was *great*. It really doesn't come much better than the VU & Nico. Agreed it was his best period,though I prefer,generaly,the stuff he did then without Nico,that's the album that introduced me to VU,that's why I wish he'd return to his roots and take them to the future,not that I'd want him or any other musician to do the 'same old same old'.Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:28:29 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace Crystal >Gayle This is the la da de da da da song - the proper name of which escapes me? Not a bad record imo tho the LP was awful. Spelling B. This is a spelling comp? Can you please let me know precisely what this means? The first time I came across the phrase was on an episode of Larry Sanders. Is it a US thing or did I just go to the wrong schools? Or does the US not recognise dyslexia? Johann Cruyff. He was once rumoured to be moving to Leicester City - this was circa 1980/1. Splashed all over the local paper the Leicester Mercury. Jock Wallace era. I remember it v well. Needless to say he never came. If you could make a poem up out of that story I'd be v impressed. John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tammy/KLF(was Cryuff) >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:37:21 EDT > >In a message dated 8/1/03 11:20:00 AM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > i got a congratulatory handshake from her (half-?)sister, crystal >gayle, > > after my side won a "media celebrity" spelling bee in little rock to >promote > > literacy back in the mid-'90s... which surely makes us 3rd or 4th >cousins, > > robert. > > > > dan > > > >the honor is all mine....did i mention that i used to be hot for Crystal >Gayle when i was youngster? it was the hair > >RL _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace In a message dated 8/1/03 6:28:39 PM Central Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > Crystal > >Gayle > > This is the la da de da da da song - the proper name of which escapes me? > Not a bad record imo tho the LP was awful. > > you mean Crystal Waters?? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace In a message dated 8/1/03 6:29:08 PM Central Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > Spelling B. This is a spelling comp? Can you please let me know precisely > > what this means? The first time I came across the phrase was on an episode > of Larry Sanders. Is it a US thing or did I just go to the wrong schools? > Or does the US not recognise dyslexia? > > huh? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:45:26 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rock'n'roll animal In a message dated 01/08/2003 08:50:44 GMT Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > This afternoon I visited a > >> comic-shop for the first time in ages and the fat hippie there played > >> nothing but live Jethro Tull - what a cliche) > > > What an absolute classic dream you would want to be in ! > > Chris > > I would? OK maybe not on reflection. Sounds a bit like Groundhog Day! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:49:33 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? In a message dated 01/08/2003 11:46:43 GMT Daylight Time, oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > severed heads - alaskan polar bear heater > Oh Yes! Great record.Clifford Darling - Stop Living In The Past. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:50:44 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... Oddly enough - and in one of those bizarre moments where list life coincides with reality - the mate of mine who gave me a lift to five a side football tonight - who is a big Lou Reed/Velvet's fan - was playing Lou's New York LP in the car tonight. Fulled by anti-Reed list discussion I roundly slated it for the reasons given earlier i.e. no tunes. Are we in agreement here or are there any Lou Reed albums that you could really hold up to any of the Velvet's? For the record I really do like Transformer in spite of being told it's his 'commercial' album. (btw I normally make my own way to football but my car's fooked. Favoured in car enternmainment would be a Vic Godard, Wire or Minutemen comp.) Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: Ari Britt >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:11:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Keith Astbury wrote: >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Ari Britt" , > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lou reed.... >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:51:57 +0100 > > > > .........in my opinion WAS a pretty darn good rock n roller > >Lou was *great*. It really doesn't come much better than the VU & Nico. > >Agreed it was his best period,though I prefer,generaly,the stuff he did >then without Nico,that's the album that introduced me to VU,that's why I >wish he'd return to his roots and take them to the future,not that I'd want >him or any other musician to do the 'same old same old'.Ari >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:56:11 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Punk box set to be released by Rhino Records I read this on RollingStone.com and thought that y'all might be interested. I own about 50 of the 100 songs on this box set, but will be tempted to buy it because Rhino has always done a great job with packaging, liner notes, sound, etc. This will go into even greater rotation than the Nuggets box set that I already own from the same label. From RollingStone.com: http://tinylink.com/?QZcNYZtTqb Ramones, Clash Top Punk Box Four-disc anthology due in October Rhino Records will release a four-disc punk box set, Ever Get the Feeling You've Been Cheated? The '70s Punk Rebellion, on October 28th. Following in the footsteps of the garage-rock anthology Nuggets, the set is designed to serve as a punk rock primer, spanning 1973 to 1980. "I'm not doing this set for people who were there the first time or to 'give the kids a history lesson,'" says the collection's producer Gary Stewart. "I'm hoping that somebody new to rock & roll who just picked up albums by the White Stripes, Good Charlotte or Radiohead will find much to love here." The 100-track compilation features songs from punk headliners like the Clash, the Ramones, Elvis Costello, the Pretenders and the Cure as well as outer-limits bands like Suicide, the Ruts and Mink DeVille -- but no song from the Sex Pistols, whose frontman Johnny Rotten gave the collection its title when he asked the audience the same question at the end of the band's 1978 farewell show. "I wanted to turn people on to some of the great nooks and crannies of early punk," Stewart says. "If you're buying this set, you're probably aware of the Buzzcocks and the Ramones, but I want you to know about the Rezillos, the Rich Kids and the Heartbreakers." "I wanted the listener to see how the artfulness of Patti Smith, and the pop revisionism of early Blondie, Nick Lowe and the Motors, and the humor of Ian Dury all came from the same place," Stewart continues, "and belong alongside the Ramones, the Clash and the more obvious practitioners." Ever Get the Feeling You've Been Cheated? track listing: Disc One: "Blitzkrieg Bop," Ramones "White Riot," The Clash "Heart Of The City," Nick Lowe "Boredom," Buzzcocks "(I'm) Stranded," The Saints "Neat Neat Neat," The Damned "In The City," The Jam "Final Solution," Pere Ubu "Roadrunner," The Modern Lovers "Little Johnny Jewel," Television "One Chord Wonders," The Adverts "Born To Lose," The Heartbreakers "Search And Destroy," Iggy & The Stooges "Let Me Dream If I Want To," Mink DeVille "Oh Bondage Up Yours!," X-Ray Spex "1 2 X U," Wire "Blank Generation," Richard Hell & The Voidoids "(Get A) Grip (On Yourself)," The Stranglers "Cherry Bomb," The Runaways "Personality Crisis," New York Dolls "Teenage Depression," Eddie & The Hot Rods "Two Tub Man," The Dictators "Hey Joe," Patti Smith "Your Generation," Generation X Disc Two: "Lust For Life," Iggy Pop "Gary Gilmore's Eyes," The Adverts "Saturday Night in the City of the Dead," Ultravox! "What Do I Get?," Buzzcocks "X Offender," Blondie "Lookin' After No. 1," The Boomtown Rats "Don't Dictate," Penetration "Bingo Master," The Fall "Free Money," Patti Smith "The Modern World," The Jam "Chinese Rocks," The Heartbreakers "New Rose," The Damned "Ambition," Subway Sect "See No Evil," Television "Suspect Device," Stiff Little Fingers "Mannequin," Wire "Baby Baby," The Vibrators "Love Comes In Spurts," Richard Hell & The Voidoids "First Time," The Boys "Sonic Reducer," Dead Boys "Shot By Both Sides," Magazine "Mystery Dance," Elvis Costello "Trash," New York Dolls "The Day The World Turned Day-Glo," X-Ray Spex "Do Anything You Wanna Do," Eddie & The Hot Rods Disc Three: "Ready Steady Go," Generation X "Teenage Kicks," The Undertones "Complete Control," The Clash "Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll," Ian Dury "Ever Fallen In Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've?)," Buzzcocks "Rocket U.S.A.," Suicide "Mongoloid," Devo "Homicide," 999 "Mr. Big," The Dils "Warsaw," Joy Division "Where Were You?," The Mekons "Lexicon Devil," The Germs "(My Baby Does) Good Sculptures," The Rezillos "The Wait," The Pretenders "We Got the Neutron Bomb," The Weirdos "Pablo Picasso," The Modern Lovers "Action Time Vision," Alternative TV "2-4-6-8 Motorway," Tom Robinson Band "We Are the One," The Avengers "Borstal Breakout," Sham 69 "Wasted," Black Flag "Sheena Is A Punk Rocker," Ramones "I Love Livin In The City," Fear "She's So Modern," The Boomtown Rats "Ghosts Of Princes In Towers," Rich Kids "We're Desperate," X "You Drive Me Ape (You Big Gorilla)," The Dickies "Dancing the Night Away," The Motors Disc Four: "Hong Kong Garden," Siouxsie & the Banshees "Public Image," Public Image Ltd. "Hanging On The Telephone," Blondie "Top Of The Pops," The Rezillos "Adult Books," X "The Sound Of The Suburbs," The Members "California Uber Alles," Dead Kennedys "Another Girl, Another Planet," The Only Ones "(I Want To Be An) Anglepoise Lamp," The Soft Boys "Radio, Radio," Elvis Costello & The Attractions "Typical Girls," The Slits "Human Fly," The Cramps "Psycho Killer," Talking Heads "Babylon's Burning," The Ruts "If The Kids Are United," Sham 69 "Alternative Ulster," Stiff Little Fingers "Boys Don't Cry," The Cure "She Is Beyond Good And Evil," The Pop Group "Is She Really Going Out With Him?," Joe Jackson "Get Over You," The Undertones "Love Like Anthrax," Gang Of Four "Into The Valley," Skids "You Can't Put Your Arms Round A Memory," Johnny Thunders "Peaches," The Stranglers "Love Will Tear Us Apart," Joy Division COLIN DEVENISH (July 28, 2003) Jason Now Playing: The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:06:01 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 07:49 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/08/2003 11:46:43 GMT Daylight Time, > oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > > >> severed heads - alaskan polar bear heater >> > > Oh Yes! Great record.Clifford Darling - Stop Living In The Past. > Chris Oh, if you like it that much, I'll do it again..... Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:08:08 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace Repeat to self: must not post to list when drunk. Pls br that in mind! Sorry Robert. Yes, Crystal Gale - wasn't she 'Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue'? Not Waters. Spelling B. I assume that this is some kind of spelling test? There's an episode of Larry Sanders Show in which the national spelling b champ is a guest. This was the first time I'd ever heard of such a competition i.e. there isn't one in the UK (or at least not to my knowledge and certainly not at my schools!). Tho we do have as a national issue at the moment the amount of tests that school children and their teachers are currently being subjected to. These tests are viewed by teachers as divisive i.e. the kids are split into groups. Hence my feeling that such a test is rather discriminatory; particularly against pupils who are dyslexic. Just a bit concerned that that might be what you have over there, that's all. It's the old libertarian in me. Right - I'm going to bed before I say anything else daft! G'night. John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net, >idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:09 EDT > >In a message dated 8/1/03 6:28:39 PM Central Daylight Time, >johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > > > Crystal > > >Gayle > > > > This is the la da de da da da song - the proper name of which escapes >me? > > Not a bad record imo tho the LP was awful. > > > > > >you mean Crystal Waters?? > >RL _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Lu Rid J.R wrote >.......Are we in agreement here or are there any Lou Reed albums that you could really hold up to any of the Velvet's? For the record I really do like Transformer in spite of being told it's his 'commercial' album. < Berlin,R&R animal.that's it (i.m.o.anyway)Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:49:33 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Crystal Gale Spelling B Jock Wallace In a message dated 8/1/03 8:09:04 PM, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: >Repeat to self: must not post to list when drunk. Pls br that in mind! > >Sorry Robert. > >Yes, Crystal Gale - wasn't she 'Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue'? Not > >Waters. righto, crystal waters did gypsy lady (the la da di la la song) and crystal gayle was the object of not only robert's affection, though i never shook her hand...and i'm not her 3rd cousin...and it was the hair...wow, what hair! >Spelling B. I assume that this is some kind of spelling test? There's >an >episode of Larry Sanders Show in which the national spelling b champ is >a >guest. This was the first time I'd ever heard of such a competition i.e. > >there isn't one in the UK (or at least not to my knowledge and certainly >not >at my schools!). Tho we do have as a national issue at the moment the > >amount of tests that school children and their teachers are currently being > >subjected to. These tests are viewed by teachers as divisive i.e. the >kids >are split into groups. Hence my feeling that such a test is rather >discriminatory; particularly against pupils who are dyslexic. Just a bit > >concerned that that might be what you have over there, that's all. It's >the >old libertarian in me. not sure what it is in you john, but yes, it's a spelling competition. i guess it discriminates against dyslexics the way auto racing discriminates against the blind :o* did i say that? i do see your point of course, but you won't find pigeon chested me complaining about losing at weightlifting :o) - -paul (wish i could fly like superman) c.d. p.s. i hope this post didn't sound nasty at all. i'm a special ed teacher with 8 days of summer school left til (as y'all say) holiday! woohoo. i think i'm just a bit giddy www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:51:45 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? So a Mute compilation Dvd of Ac Marias, He Said, etc! would be most welcomed! np s.heads - lower than the grave........ Tim Yup, Time Was and One of Our Girls were definitely shown. Just Talk might have been shown on the first ever Snub which was the only one I ever missed. /////my recollection is that one of our girls and just talk were definitely shown , not sure i've ever seen time was on tv. one of our girls got shown a couple of times , i think it was also shown on the chart show. snub always showed videos in full , it was the chart show that annihilated everything it touched. there are 4 he said videos (only one i , pump , could you , pulling 3g's). i've seen crappy copies that i guess came off american cable stations , but i've never seen an EGL vid on uk tv. p - ----Original Message Follows---- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, keith.astbury10@virgin.net, MarkBursa@aol.com, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:45:15 EDT In a message dated 8/1/03 2:50:55 PM GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > Yup, Time Was and One of Our Girls were definitely shown. Just Talk might > have been shown on the first ever Snub which was the only one I ever missed. > /////my recollection is that one of our girls and just talk were definitely shown , not sure i've ever seen time was on tv. one of our girls got shown a couple of times , i think it was also shown on the chart show. snub always showed videos in full , it was the chart show that annihilated everything it touched. there are 4 he said videos (only one i , pump , could you , pulling 3g's). i've seen crappy copies that i guess came off american cable stations , but i've never seen an EGL vid on uk tv. p _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 3MB attachments (up to three times more per e-mail). Click here http://join.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:02:44 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Severed Heads - 10 Reasons - http://www.sevcom.com/ten.htm Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ed Special To: CHRISWIRE@aol.com CC: oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com, keith.astbury10@virgin.net, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AC Marias / Dome Videos? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:06:01 -0400 On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 07:49 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 01/08/2003 11:46:43 GMT Daylight Time, >oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > > >>severed heads - alaskan polar bear heater >> > >Oh Yes! Great record.Clifford Darling - Stop Living In The Past. > Chris Oh, if you like it that much, I'll do it again..... Ed _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. 30MB of storage on ninemsn Groups - great for sharing photos and documents. Click here http://join.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:21:14 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: wiremen, was [idealcopy] lou reed.... In a message dated 8/1/03 7:51:55 PM, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: >Wire or Minutemen interesting, i've been comparing the two in my mind a lot lately, specifically the new wire. i find it to be more akin to minutemen than almost anything else. i'm thinking back to that online article (anyone have the link?) about no wave song structure. i've been thinking about it more lately because of the music that's getting increasingly popular here. white stripes are being played heavily on commercial radio. i finally heard bandages by hot hot heat on k-rock (our big commercial hard rock station) the other day. i don't listen often so i don't know how long it's been in rotation, but i knew that song would have to hit sooner or later. so, with white stripes in particular, i'm thinking how popular some of the new wire could be if there was just a tiny bit more of "something" for the average listener to latch onto. i'm also thinking about the minutemen's pop sensibility and how many of their songs resemble what's getting popular now, only stripped way down (in format, but especially in production). so, a song like raft ants (to me) sounds just as accessible as what's being played on k-rock, except that where you'd normally find a chorus you instead find that "minutemen 2 chord break and right back to the verse" thing. and it seems to me that the rest of the new material would be heard the same way by the masses. so...going back to a recent/old topic summed up as "which new song would be wire's best shot at some commercial success?": i have to go with the one that tells the listener how the chorus goes ;o) ba ba ba ba ba bang, paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #227 *******************************