From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #225 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 31 2003 Volume 06 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: [idealcopy] WIRE [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers ["Keith Astbur] [idealcopy] Winnie the shit [Fergus Kelly ] FW: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers [Alistair ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers ["Keith As] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers [PaulRabjo] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers ["John Rob] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers ["dan bail] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers [CHRISWIRE] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers ["Tim ****] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cruyff (in the Bedroom) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] sam phillips r.i.p. ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers [Bart van Dam] Re: [idealcopy] Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers [Ed Special <] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cruyff (in the Bedroom) [Bart van Damme Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] WIRE RLynn9@aol.com wrote: more wire sounds at the archive Over two hours of audio has been added to the Wire Sound and Video Archive this week. The site now has sound samples of Colin Newman, Bruce Gilbert, and Graham Lewis solo projects and collaborations. saw this on the brainwashed.com website for those of you didn't already know..thought i'd give a heads up Robert Darn Robert,didn't know we could talk about WIRE on this list............dude!Ari Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:56:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE > Darn Robert,didn't know we could talk about WIRE on this list............dude!Ari Yeah. Let's get back to 'gobshites' ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:03:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers Sent this the other day, but I think don't think it appeared. Apologies if it has... I wrote a review of the RFH gig as my intro to IC, but I recently found some notes I'd made at that time, and though they're rather to the point, I thought I'd share them! Drink at the NFT and then the Wire gig. Started with TV concert circa '78, then Colin Newman & Malka Spigel stood in front of a screen showing repetitive images, playing drony ambient stuff which I liked. He Said - Lewis came on - 1st song was horrible and shouty, the next was good though and the rant that followed it was interesting. DJXDJ (Daniel Miller & another) played extremely repetitive Wire loops, accompanied by a flashing white light on a black screen, which proved totally hypnotic - not helped by Ian & Acky going for a fag and leaving me on my own - couldn't stay awake. It started feeling like an endurance test at times, and I started to fear the worst as to what Wire would sound like. "Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers" someone shouted. "Oh be quiet", said another. The spotlight showed some bloke in white military gear, waving from the box, and then WHAM! there were Wire on stage sounding so incredibly powerful and tight. All old stuff, 'Lowdown' felt particularly special to me. Went off during 'Heartbeat' - Michael Clarke came on and 'stretched' and then back to Wire. Ended with 12XU. Wow! Keith NP Bowie - Low (which has officially replaced Hunky Dory as my fave DB LP)... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Winnie the shit Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:32:16 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] gobshites We Scots say shite or 'keech' ('ch' pron. as in 'loch') but 'gobshite' is certainly Irish (Fergus can back me up on this one) >>> Yep. Yer right there Alistair... which would explain Keith's Liverpool connection & I can't believe I'm writing this on the Wire list >>> ah, but wouldn't The Boys get a laugh... A word we used to use when I was a nipper was GICK, which, to my mind anyway, captured the consistency of crap with onomatopeic (sp?) precision... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:31:53 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers No doubt that Low has stood the test of time... 26 years, jeez I downloaded an mp3 of the Flaming Lips' cover of 'Life on Mars', you heard this Keith? it's, erm, different A NP Bowie - Low (which has officially replaced Hunky Dory as my fave DB LP)... ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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I suspect that their bearded wonder will do his best to prove otherwise, mind ; ) Fave cover version of L.O.M. was by a Sheffield based glam tribute act called The Gutterband, which involved the guitarist continually rotating 360 degrees on a wheel, a la knifethrowers act, whilst playing a perfect note for note solo. Maybe you had to be there, but I tell you, he didn't miss a note! Keith NP Akatombo - trace elements (what's the general feeling on this, I know Fergus likes it and I think Bill did. I like it a lot. Humid is on now, and it's great). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:07:19 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers In a message dated 7/30/03 6:24:35 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Fave cover version of L.O.M. was by a Sheffield based glam tribute act > called The Gutterband, which involved the guitarist continually rotating 360 > degrees on a wheel, a la knifethrowers act, whilst playing a perfect note > for note solo. Maybe you had to be there, but I tell you, he didn't miss a > note! > /////must be something about that song. an appalling version by los paralyticos still haunts me. you certainly didn't have to be there for that. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:17:42 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers Nah. Most memorable cover of LoM: Los Paralyticos. As witnessed by myself and Messrs Rabjohn and Bursa of this parish at Coventry Hand and Heart a few years back. Los P's were supporting Alternative TV. Mr Bursa nearly bit off the side of his beer glass such was the majesty of the occasion. (I think I've mentioned this before on here so apologies if I have. It was very funny though.) John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Alistair Tear" , "Wire >\(E-mail\)" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:26:30 +0100 > > > I downloaded an mp3 of the Flaming Lips' > > cover of 'Life on Mars', you heard this Keith? > > > > it's, erm, different > > > > A > >No, not heard that one. Not a fan of the FL I have to say, but it'd be nice >to hear them sing something that actually has a melody. I suspect that >their >bearded wonder will do his best to prove otherwise, mind ; ) > >Fave cover version of L.O.M. was by a Sheffield based glam tribute act >called The Gutterband, which involved the guitarist continually rotating >360 >degrees on a wheel, a la knifethrowers act, whilst playing a perfect note >for note solo. Maybe you had to be there, but I tell you, he didn't miss a >note! > >Keith > >NP Akatombo - trace elements > >(what's the general feeling on this, I know Fergus likes it and I think >Bill >did. I like it a lot. Humid is on now, and it's great). _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:23:50 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers which reminds me somewhat of something i saw on a late-night "in concert"-type performance i saw on tv circa '73 or thereabouts, featuring a piano (complete with pianist) that rose up fairly high above the stage & revolved end-over-end while the pianist presumably never missed a note. any ideas about what band i might've seen? elp? i have this really vague memory of the guy looking somewhat albino-esque (albinoid?), hence raising the possibility of eno, but i might be confusing 2 different performances. or i might be completely daft. dan >Fave cover version of L.O.M. was by a Sheffield based glam tribute act >called The Gutterband, which involved the guitarist continually rotating 360 >degrees on a wheel, a la knifethrowers act, whilst playing a perfect note >for note solo. Maybe you had to be there, but I tell you, he didn't miss a >note! > >Keith > >NP Akatombo - trace elements > >(what's the general feeling on this, I know Fergus likes it and I think Bill >did. I like it a lot. Humid is on now, and it's great). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:10:46 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers In a message dated 30/07/2003 13:01:49 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Keith > > NP Bowie - Low (which has officially replaced Hunky Dory as my fave DB > LP)... > Always was mine & always will be I should think. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:00:50 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers The Kings Singers version of lom is pretty baaad! Unless you like choral (bbc radio 2) mid 70's singin'? Swigel(?) Singers...?? - ----Original Message Follows---- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com To: keith.astbury10@virgin.net CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:07:19 EDT In a message dated 7/30/03 6:24:35 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Fave cover version of L.O.M. was by a Sheffield based glam tribute act > called The Gutterband, which involved the guitarist continually rotating 360 > degrees on a wheel, a la knifethrowers act, whilst playing a perfect note > for note solo. Maybe you had to be there, but I tell you, he didn't miss a > note! > /////must be something about that song. an appalling version by los paralyticos still haunts me. you certainly didn't have to be there for that. p _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get five times more storage - 10MB in your Hotmail account. Click here http://join.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:07:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cruyff (in the Bedroom) thanks bart. sounds pretty good. i always have room for more stuff like that :o) makes me wonder whatever happened to sugarplant? so, how is cruyff pronounced? i assumed it rhymed with life. i don't remember hearing any "soccer" star names as a kid...except pele. also, does the "in the bedroom" part of their name refer to anything in particular you know of? looking at their gigography, i'm also interested to find out more about salt watertaffy and cellophane, but my search didn't net anything. - -p.c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:20:02 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] sam phillips r.i.p. god only knows how much more space i'd have on my record shelves if this guy hadn't come along ... MEMPHIS, Tenn. (July 30) - Sam Phillips, who discovered Elvis Presley and helped usher in the rock 'n' roll revolution, died Wednesday. He was 80. Phillips died at St. Francis Hospital, spokeswoman Gwendolyn McClain said. No details were available about the cause of death or how long he had been hospitalized. Phillips founded Sun Records in Memphis in 1952 and helped launch the career of Presley, then a young singer who had moved from Tupelo, Miss. He produced Presley's first record, the 1954 single that featured ``That's All Right, Mama'' and ``Blue Moon of Kentucky.'' ``God only knows that we didn't know it would have the response that it would have,'' Phillips said in an interview in 1997. ``But I always knew that the rebellion of young people, which is as natural as breathing, would be a part of that breakthrough,'' he said. In 2000, the A&E cable network ran a two-hour biography called ``Sam Phillips: The Man Who Invented Rock and Roll.'' Phillips was elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1986. ``When I first heard Elvis, the essence of what I heard in his voice was such that I knew there might be a number of areas that we could go into,'' Phillips said. Presley was good with ballads, Phillips recalled, but there was no need to challenge established balladeers such as Perry Como, Frankie Laine and Bing Crosby. ``What there was a need for was a rhythm that had a very pronounced beat, a joyous sound and a quality that young people in particular could identify with,'' he said. By 1956, when Phillips sold Presley's contract to RCA for $35,000, the rock 'n' roll craze had become a cultural phenomenon and a multimillion-dollar industry. ``It all came out of that infectious beat and those young people wanting to feel good by listening to some records,'' Phillips said. Presley died in 1977 at age 42. Phillips began in music as a radio station engineer and later as a disc jockey. He started Sun Records so he could record both rhythm & blues singers and country performers, then called country and western or hillbilly singers. His plan was to let artists who had no formal training play their music as they felt it, raw and full of life. The Sun motto was ``We Record Anything, Anywhere, Anytime.'' In the early days, before Presley, Phillips worked mostly with black musicians, including B.B. King and Rufus Thomas. After the success of Presley on Sun, others who recorded for the label under Phillips included Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison, Conway Twitty and Charlie Rich. ``We were starting from scratch together,'' he said in 2000. He got out of the recording business in 1962 and sold Sun Records in 1969 to producer Shelby Singleton of Nashville. The Sun studio on Union Avenue in Memphis still exists as a tourist attraction. In his later years, Phillips spent much of his time overseeing radio station WLVS in Memphis and others in Alabama. He stayed out of the limelight except for some appearances at Presley-related events after Presley's death. ``I'll never retire. I'm just using up somebody else's oxygen if I retire,'' he said in an Associated Press interview in 2000. Born Samuel Cornelius Phillips in Florence, Ala., Phillips worked as an announcer at radio stations in Muscle Shoals, Ala., and Decatur, Ala., and Nashville, Tenn., before settling in Memphis in 1945. Before founding Sun Records, he was a talent scout who recommended artists and recordings to record labels such as Chess and Modern. He also worked as an announcer in Memphis. His sons Knox and Jerry also were record producers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:38:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers >> NP Bowie - Low (which has officially replaced Hunky Dory as my fave DB >> LP)... > Always was mine & always will be I should think. > Chris Mine too... probably would even make my album top 10. Bought it when it came out together with Lou Reed's R&R Animal and up to this day the two seem strangely intertwined. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:10:50 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Get on with it, you self-indulgent wankers On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 02:38 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: > > Mine too... probably would even make my album top 10. Bought it when > it came > out together with Lou Reed's R&R Animal > and up to this day the two seem strangely intertwined. > > Bart Lou and Laurie Anderson? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:24:30 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cruyff (in the Bedroom) > thanks bart. sounds pretty good. i always have room for more stuff like that > :o) makes me wonder whatever happened to sugarplant? > so, how is cruyff pronounced? i assumed it rhymed with life. i don't remember > hearing any "soccer" star names as a kid...except pele. The "r" is harder (more scottish?) The "uy" is the real problem - it's just so Dutch. Check this site, there's a soundbite under "UI": http://www.stanford.edu/~sipma/dupron.html The 2 "ff"s are cut very short. > also, does the "in the bedroom" part of their name refer to anything in > particular you know of? The only sexy Cruyff thing I can think of is the scandal of 1974 where the entire Dutch team was caught in a swimmingpool with 36 naked german prostitutes only just before the final against Germany (which we lost, so what's the moral to this story kids?) My guess is these Japanese shoegazers just have the hots for Him. Bart ================ PS: Wrote a song once about the holy trinity of JC's in which Johan Cruyff appeared next to Julius Ceasar and Jesus Christ. Can't tell you anymore than that I rhymed "JC" with "Veni Vidi Vici" like the true genius that I am. Let's see how the Heretical Rhyme Generator will manage (where you only get to write the first line) http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Poem/ Veni vidi vici Put on some rassberry chapstick Things are not always as they appear Oh, what a prick! or this one: Cruyff in the bedroom Who, clothed, then mock the naked hogs And pick up the babes and go "PSYCHE!! VOOM voom!!" And stared amazed at the glowing fog another the one: So, how is Cruyff pronounced The smell of that cheese makes me gasp Mother mary comes to me singing songs of youth misplaced Rub the cheddar with a rasp or: A monkey caught stealing And I think this is all very tiring But i remember nothing, Oh Half-Life? I thought someone stepped on a hound! last one: I don't remember hearing any soccer star names as a kid... except pele Solemn sound of life's unrest, beyond the cries of loneliness Viisikielinen kielipuu on varmasti kantele Strewn 'cross the floor in such a mess ok then, one encore: Whatever happened to sugarplant Or the pork loins I admire my pants... I was beat with a billet with by a man named Kevin. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #225 *******************************