From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #212 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 212 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:40:53 GMT >From: P J Kane >Subject: Re:[idealcopy]Re:Fall-ingtowardAtlanta > >the Mogwai with Bardo Pone? i was at that one. and the Yo La Tengo with >Versus? i was at that >one too.... and i was at Bob there, but at The >Last Dog and Pony Show and the first tour with new >rave music stuff.... Yep...The Mogwai show that I attended was the one with Bardo Pond opening. The Yo La Tengo show that I attended was the most recent one with The Glands opening. I missed Bob Mould's show for The Last Dog And Pony Show, but I did catch the most recent Variety Playhouse show with him playing the electronic stuff. I also saw Bob Mould at The Earl this past October. It was a rainy night in the middle of the week and there were only a hundred people or so at the concert. Most of Bob Mould's songs that night were acoustic and the few of us there pretty much just stood near him like a campfire at summer camp or something...lol. It was a superb intimate concert experience. > >wierd. are you stalking me? :P Sorry 'bout that. >did you find it on vinyl or CD? that is the one that i have mot heard >recommended by The Fall, and >thus is the one i am most curious to >locate... I bought This Nation's Saving Grace on CD. It's the Beggars Banquet CD, but it's priced low. It's quite an excellent album. After listening to it, I can understand why people think thought that the current band lineup sounded "too professional"; the music on TNSG seems gloriously disorganized and disoriented. Jason Now Playing: Life Without Buildings - "The Leanover" _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:26:50 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta I would also vote for Scenic, Alejandro Escovado, Rank and File, the Corvairs, Blood on the Saddle, Waco Brothers http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Roberts" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:11 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > Quite partial to a bit of the alt.country; if Giant Sand/Howe Gelb/Calexico > are indicative of the genre. > > Surely the Mekons must figure large in bringing a punk sensibility to > country or the other way round? Certainly the Til Things Are Brighter comp > was a turning point - various indie punk acts doing Johnny Cash covers. I > remember seeing Marc Riley live not long after this album and all he did was > c & w. And does The Fall's Grotesque album count as alt.country? > > Oh, and yes, huge Beefheart fan. > > Cheers > > John > > http://www.surf.to/ambition > > > > > > >From: "Keith Knight" > >To: , > >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:25:09 +0100 > > > >I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer > >(alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, > >Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late > >Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' > >'Red Dirt Girl'. But then, apropos, Mr Rabjohn below, I'm a Beefheart > >fan! > > > >Haven't made my mind up about Will Oldham yet - I've heard a fair bit > >but little makes an impact. > > > >And as for the Spree being a one-trick pony - it sure didn't look that > >way in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago, pardner. > > > >Another the Keith > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > >Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > > > > > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... > > > > > > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts > > > your point, > > > really.) > > > >/////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened > >to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm > >getting to think it may well be alt-country. > > > >although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy > >early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their > >one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved > >that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like > >mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super > >furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than > >my soul is the thing getting uplifted. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:38:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Fall-ing toward Atlanta > I bought This Nation's Saving Grace on CD. It's the Beggars Banquet CD, > but it's priced low. It's quite an excellent album. After listening > to it, I can understand why people think thought that the current band > lineup sounded "too professional"; the music on TNSG seems gloriously > disorganized and disoriented. I kind of gave up on The Fall in recent years to be honest. Whilst I'd bought the odd single, I hadn't bought an album since Middle Class Revolt. And although I don't claim to have been a Fall completist before then - I would have to sell my house to afford them all and buy a bigger one to put them all in if I was! - I'd probably bought more Fall albums than I reasonably needed (Fave is probably Shiftwork I reckon). But, as a result of the positive mentions from folk here (Ian S was one I think), I bought The Unutterable recently. And I have to say early plays have met with a favourable response, and I can certainly understand why it's been recommended. There's some really good stuff here if you want a slice of the Fall's more recent stuff... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Furious Policeman They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on the legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction with Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group was the I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade about a month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, with their paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p ///// This is indeed correct. Bruce and Graham cajoled a session off Geoff Travis for Furious Pig. A distinctly ODD but INTRUIGING record... Saw them in the old LMC venue in Gloucester Ave circa 86/7... BLEEDIN' MARVELLOUS they were... I seem to remember gong and piano and assorted percussion, aswell as voice... an ear opener... Graham bumped into Stephen Kent for the first time in 22 years on the Wire US tour in San Francisco last year... Fergus np - Nurse With Wound : Soliliquoy For Lillith Just finished 'England's Hidden Reverse' by David Keenan, a must read for all you Current 93, Coil and Nurse With Wound fans out there... a very well researched and fascinating read... got your copy yet Robert ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:04:13 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta and let's add the Long Ryders and Meat Puppets (esp II) http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Graziano" To: "John Roberts" ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > I would also vote for Scenic, Alejandro Escovado, Rank and File, the > Corvairs, Blood on the Saddle, Waco Brothers > http://www.sourmashusa.com > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Roberts" > To: ; ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:11 AM > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > > > > Quite partial to a bit of the alt.country; if Giant Sand/Howe > Gelb/Calexico > > are indicative of the genre. > > > > Surely the Mekons must figure large in bringing a punk sensibility to > > country or the other way round? Certainly the Til Things Are Brighter > comp > > was a turning point - various indie punk acts doing Johnny Cash covers. I > > remember seeing Marc Riley live not long after this album and all he did > was > > c & w. And does The Fall's Grotesque album count as alt.country? > > > > Oh, and yes, huge Beefheart fan. > > > > Cheers > > > > John > > > > http://www.surf.to/ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Knight" > > >To: , > > >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:25:09 +0100 > > > > > >I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer > > >(alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, > > >Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late > > >Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' > > >'Red Dirt Girl'. But then, apropos, Mr Rabjohn below, I'm a Beefheart > > >fan! > > > > > >Haven't made my mind up about Will Oldham yet - I've heard a fair bit > > >but little makes an impact. > > > > > >And as for the Spree being a one-trick pony - it sure didn't look that > > >way in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago, pardner. > > > > > >Another the Keith > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > > >Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > > > > > > > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... > > > > > > > > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts > > > > your point, > > > > really.) > > > > > >/////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened > > >to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm > > >getting to think it may well be alt-country. > > > > > >although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy > > >early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their > > >one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved > > >that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like > > >mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super > > >furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than > > >my soul is the thing getting uplifted. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:18:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 7/16/03 6:30:26 PM, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: >I would also vote for Scenic only a slight similarity with anything alt.country, and really only from the first single (the kelso run) and album (incident at cima). everything since is more akin to blissedoutshoegazepostacidrockambientjazzsoundscape than anything else ;o) - -paul (i'm not big on country, but anyone like clem snide?) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:36:49 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >I would also vote for Scenic, Alejandro Escovado, Rank and File, the >Corvairs, Blood on the Saddle, Waco Brothers >http://www.sourmashusa.com oh man, i have Blood On The Saddle's 'Please Quit Calling Me From Jail, Son...',(EP) one of the best slices of 'punk-country' you're ever likely to hear, in fact, i only dug it out of the old singles box last week...and gave it a wacking good blast... can i also mention The Bad Livers and their various versions of Iggy, Cash and Motorhead covers here...??? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:14:22 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] arranging already entirely reckless disk library Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: "> everything since is more akin to > blissedoutshoegazepostacidrockambientjazzsoundscape " This, and the recent fall gig comment threads, brings to mind some passages from a concert review on the fsol list. The concert was in Russia; and the review russian; run thru the babelfish translation engine, the following turns of phrase were generated: 5 July 2003, St.-Petersburg, theater on Fontanke. Privyknuv to the fact that not one concert begins during, we by disordered crowd go on foot through entire Fontanku, being late as the minimum for the hour. ...Yuarod slackly is moved on the garden, from time to time glancing into the compartment/room and returning with the acid mine. I manage to meet the persons of 15 familiar, who arrived from the most different points of peace/world. Measure clearly enjoys demand. Somewhere approximately one hour on the scene begins sheveleniye. In the center after the revolving doors it fusses Gary Of chobain. Bryan so he remains studio hermit, on the concerts FSOL it presents precisely cinder/fumes), to the left of it appears uncle in the hat and with the guitar, suspiciously resembling boyars.To the right of cinder/fumes was based completely not eastern form blind musician with sitarom and ethnic percussion. ... command begins concert. It becomes immediately clear that main shoumen of this concert - Gary Of luchas ...with the guitar atilt. Under amorphous embiyent, which starts Kobeyn, Lukas issues frippoobraznye saundskeypy, pokruchivaya by free hand the knob/arm of processor playing by mad deleyami. Taking into account that that also also is worth looking to the playing musicians, eyes completely scatter. At some moment/torque picture you begin to receive as a whole and at some purely emotional level. Meanwhile music gradually finds structure. Kobeyn releases from the revolving doors strange medley from the old plates and as vidio, its own sketches from bass and drums; Lukas plays jazz solo or departs to frank saundskeypy, and to the ball (so they call this strange person) alternately issues solo on sitare or nenavyazchivo it knocks on its kongam. ...Thus far this is not completely similar on Tyue Of isness, are faster - on ISDN, but living and completely mad. ...Living version strongly differs from studio - Lukas to ball issue reckless solo, and cinder/fumes it manipulates by Basov- drum magnifiers. Gradually group descends into completely frank f'yuzhn. ...Yuekaya intrigue appears in the fact that became complete incomprehensibly, does place Kobeyn its sketches or old jazz- fateful plates - sounds all is sufficiently to monolithically and isolate in this basis it is obtained in no way. Yuekotorye tracks sounded as regards from that light/world from recently rested George of Harrison. Somewhere hour in three, Kobeyn decided a little to play a little the role of frontmena, made a pause and was released into the intercourse with the hall, having preliminarily represented group and after describing the pair of histories from their brief stay in Pieter. After this, reckless jam was continued with those completely tempered in all brakes. Yuashi shoumeny at long last they reached Beatles, after playing completely reckless version To yuere Of chomes To tyue Of sun (such sensation, that at the basis it was the presented to cinder/fumes plate with some India- face kaverom to this thing), and then after arranging already entirely reckless disk library from the Soviet launj- plates. They played three on the whole of hour. Postscript: from the short conversation after concert with the willingly to any intercourse with the public of cinder/fumes it was possible to explain that part from the reckless jazz meat, which they played - material for the new album, so that apparently soon these mad people still will show all what is present music is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:21:38 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #211 >> So is this the only wind instrument to grace a "wire" song? Isn't there some sax wailing on Crazy About Love ? - - Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:27:27 +0100 From: Ian_Brann@veritasdgc.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wind INstruments >> So is this the only wind instrument to grace a "wire" song? Isn't there some sax wailing on Crazy About Love ? Is a flute classified as a wind instrument? Kate Lukas (? spelling) on Pink Flag &154 to name but two others. New Ian ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #212 *******************************