From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #211 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] furious pig ["Jan J Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] furious pig [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] furious pig [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] furious pig ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig I also have that Rough Trade/COPY 001 tracks: side one Scritti Politti - The Sweetest Girl Beat - Twist and Crawl Dub Pere Ubu - Misery Goats Wah! Heat - 7000 Names of Wah! Orange Juice - Blue Boy Cabaret Voltaire - Raising The Count D.A.F. - Kebab Traume Live Furious Pig - Bare Pork Panther Burns - Bourgeois Blues Buzzcocks - I Look Alone Essential Logic - Fanfare In The Garden Robert Wyatt - Born Again Cretin side two Raincoats - Shoutin Out Loud Josef K - Endless Soul Blue Orchids - Low Profile Virgin Prunes - Red Nettle Aztec Camera - We Could Send Letters Red Crayola - Milkmaid Television Personalities - Magnificent Dreams The Massed Carnaby St. John Cooper Clarkes - The Day My Pad Went Mad James Blood Ulmer - Jazz Is The Teacher, Funk Is The Preacher Ian Dury - Closer To Home Gist - Greener Grass Subway Sect - Parallel Lines ps also mentioned on the sleeve of the cassette This is the first release of ROUGHTAPES, the new Rough Trade tape cassette catalogue). Future Rough Tapes releases will include Voice of America by Cabaret Voltaire, Colossal Youth by the Young Marble Giants, The Art of Walking by Pere Ubu, new studio LPs by The Raincoats, Scritti Politti, Red Crayola and Wire cassette only collection of unreleased material. Does someone know what could happened with that Wire cassette collection of unreleased material. Is that the period they just broke up for a while? > http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html > Tracks?? > V Prunes - Red Nettle > Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? > Other Tracks..?? > Linx!!?? > > Tim > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "ian s jackson" > To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 > > i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to > that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan will > probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget about > this one... > > ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) > > > >From: "dan bailey" > >To: "ideal copy" > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 > > > >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to see > >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in > >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow > >night after all) circles for having included the long-otherwise-unavailable > >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles > >set) ... > > > >dan > > > > >see text below from artist direct ; > > > > > > > > > >HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?artis t > >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography > > > Related Genres: >HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post > >Punk > > > > > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin > >Kent, > > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that > > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional > >rock > > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In > > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere > >Ubu), > >the group > > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with > >found > > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on > >the > > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction > >with > > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group > >was the > > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade > >about > >a > > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce > > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, > >with > >their > > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > > > > > > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any > > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:20:40 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig In a message dated 7/16/2003 2:47:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html > Tracks?? > V Prunes - Red Nettle > Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? > Other Tracks..?? > Linx!!?? > > Tim /////the track i loved on this was "parallel lines" by the subway sect , which remained unreleased for a couple of decades until it turned up on the "20 odd years" compilation. i think the cabs track was called "raising the count". p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:26:39 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig In a message dated 7/16/2003 3:41:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: > Does someone know what could happened with that Wire cassette collection of > unreleased material. Is that the period they just broke up > for a while? ////its just "document and eyewitness" , after the 6 months of "cassettes are the future" silliness they just put out everything on vinyl , as ever. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:45:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer > (alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, > Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late > Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' > 'Red Dirt Girl'. Silver Jews too certainly did some pionering for the alt country genre. At it since 1992/1993. Btw, there is a resemblence between their 1999 single "Dime Map of the Reef" and Wire's Map Ref... coincidence? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:38:40 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > * Wire link - recorder used by Colin Newman on his contribution to the > 4-track ep with 154. > So is this the only wind instrument to grace a "wire" song? I know there's a credit for someone playing the flute on one of pink flag's tracks, but I'll be jiggered if I can hear it. b (Chief Wiggum) E "That's good flutin, boy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:39:33 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig Thank You Jan...!!! wow, what a track-list...and you saved me a LOT of digging around...!!! :0) ian.s.j. >From: "Jan J Noorda" >Reply-To: "Jan J Noorda" >To: "IC" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:41:37 +0200 > >I also have that Rough Trade/COPY 001 > >tracks: >side one >Scritti Politti - The Sweetest Girl >Beat - Twist and Crawl Dub >Pere Ubu - Misery Goats >Wah! Heat - 7000 Names of Wah! >Orange Juice - Blue Boy >Cabaret Voltaire - Raising The Count >D.A.F. - Kebab Traume Live >Furious Pig - Bare Pork >Panther Burns - Bourgeois Blues >Buzzcocks - I Look Alone >Essential Logic - Fanfare In The Garden >Robert Wyatt - Born Again Cretin > >side two >Raincoats - Shoutin Out Loud >Josef K - Endless Soul >Blue Orchids - Low Profile >Virgin Prunes - Red Nettle >Aztec Camera - We Could Send Letters >Red Crayola - Milkmaid >Television Personalities - Magnificent Dreams >The Massed Carnaby St. John Cooper Clarkes - The Day My Pad Went Mad >James Blood Ulmer - Jazz Is The Teacher, Funk Is The Preacher >Ian Dury - Closer To Home >Gist - Greener Grass >Subway Sect - Parallel Lines > >ps also mentioned on the sleeve of the cassette >This is the first release of ROUGHTAPES, the new Rough Trade tape cassette >catalogue). Future Rough Tapes releases will include Voice of America by >Cabaret Voltaire, Colossal Youth by the Young Marble Giants, The Art of >Walking by Pere Ubu, new studio LPs by The Raincoats, Scritti Politti, Red >Crayola and Wire cassette only collection of unreleased material. > >Does someone know what could happened with that Wire cassette collection of >unreleased material. Is that the period they just broke up for a while? > > > > > > http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html > > Tracks?? > > V Prunes - Red Nettle > > Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? > > Other Tracks..?? > > Linx!!?? > > > > Tim > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "ian s jackson" > > To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net > > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig > > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 > > > > i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to > > that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan >will > > probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget >about > > this one... > > > > ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) > > > > > > >From: "dan bailey" > > >To: "ideal copy" > > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 > > > > > >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to >see > > >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary >in > > >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow > > >night after all) circles for having included the >long-otherwise-unavailable > > >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many >singles > > >set) ... > > > > > >dan > > > > > > >see text below from artist direct ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?artis >t > > >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography > > > > Related Genres: > >HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post > > >Punk > > > > > > > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin > > >Kent, > > > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome >that > > > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with >traditional > > >rock > > > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more >interesting. >In > > > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere > > >Ubu), > > >the group > > > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals >with > > >found > > > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare >Pork" >on > > >the > > > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction > > >with > > > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the >group > > >was the > > > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade > > >about > > >a > > > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's >Bruce > > > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, > > >with > > >their > > > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > > > > > > > > > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any > > > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to > > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:42:29 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig > > http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html > > Tracks?? > > V Prunes - Red Nettle > > Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? > > Other Tracks..?? > > Linx!!?? > > > > Tim Tim, Linx (or was it Lynx,...??) were on the other NME tape 'Dancing Master' , which IMHO, was also facking great (in the main...) ;0) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:47:20 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:38:40AM -0400, Tisbili@aol.com wrote: > MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > * Wire link - recorder used by Colin Newman on his contribution to the > > 4-track ep with 154. > > > > So is this the only wind instrument to grace a "wire" song? > No; flute, as you say. > I know there's a credit for someone playing the flute on one of pink flag's > tracks, but I'll be jiggered if I can hear it. Kate Lukas, flutter-tongue flute on Strange (and she's credited on at least one track on Chairs Missing too.) - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:58:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin > > I know there's a credit for someone playing the flute on one of pink flag's > > tracks, but I'll be jiggered if I can hear it. > > Kate Lukas, flutter-tongue flute on Strange (and she's credited on at > least one track on Chairs Missing too.) Probably mentionmed before that trying to spot the flute on Strange was something of an ongoing exercise in these parts... Keith NP The Only Ones - immortal story comp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:02:44 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin There's a Joan Whiting credited with a cor anglais contribution on !54 can't think which track right now A > > > MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > * Wire link - recorder used by Colin Newman on his > contribution to the > > 4-track ep with 154. > > > > So is this the only wind instrument to grace a "wire" song? > > I know there's a credit for someone playing the flute on one > of pink flag's > tracks, but I'll be jiggered if I can hear it. > > b (Chief Wiggum) E > "That's good flutin, boy" > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Certainly the Til Things Are Brighter comp was a turning point - various indie punk acts doing Johnny Cash covers. I remember seeing Marc Riley live not long after this album and all he did was c & w. And does The Fall's Grotesque album count as alt.country? Oh, and yes, huge Beefheart fan. Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: "Keith Knight" >To: , >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:25:09 +0100 > >I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer >(alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, >Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late >Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' >'Red Dirt Girl'. But then, apropos, Mr Rabjohn below, I'm a Beefheart >fan! > >Haven't made my mind up about Will Oldham yet - I've heard a fair bit >but little makes an impact. > >And as for the Spree being a one-trick pony - it sure didn't look that >way in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago, pardner. > >Another the Keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > > > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... > > > > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts > > your point, > > really.) > >/////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened >to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm >getting to think it may well be alt-country. > >although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy >early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their >one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved >that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like >mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super >furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than >my soul is the thing getting uplifted. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:33:25 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT- 'alt.country'... > alt.country, AFAIC...is post-indie-grunge infused with the spirit of Hank > Williams... > > that's about the best i can come up with...at this time of the morning...and > hungover... spot on... post-indie-grunge + hungover Hank Williams = alt country bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:45:46 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fluted Playin On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:02:44PM +0100, Alistair Tear wrote: > There's a Joan Whiting credited with > a cor anglais contribution on !54 > can't think which track right now > "A Mutual Friend" (one of my very favourite Wire songs). - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:47:18 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT- 'alt.country'... << in Will Oldham's case...what DO you do after something like Slint...??? >> Will Oldham was not associated with Slint! or, what did you mean here? << alt.country, AFAIC...is post-indie-grunge infused with the spirit of Hank Williams... >> there is that up North. here in the South, the causal arrow goes the other way -- deep rural kids whose parents raised them listening to Bocephus (Hank Williams Jr.) and Johnny Cash, move on the Skynrd and Zeppelin, then are suddenly exposed to punk et al in their late teens, when they start trying to fuse all this stuff together. unfortunately the end result of this fusion seems to be: 1. putpedal steel guitar on everything 2. try to over-emphasize a southern accent in the words we sing 3. a bizarre fascination for the music of AC/DC so it fails to amuse me. then again, i grew up listening to Motown, and have never really heard any country except the occasional "classic" that someone tries to foist on me. that sort of stuff doesn't translate into adulthood: i just don't care for country in the exact same way that The Temptations do nothing for my friends who grew up in deep rural southern communites. which i don't get at all -- how can you NOT get down to "My Girl" (one of the greatest bass riffs ever)???? << that's about the best i can come up with...at this time of the morning...and hungover... >> ha ha Ian # 3! :) PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:36:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... Another the Keith: > I bought Farewell Sorrow unheard last week (on the back of a rave review > by Peter Paphides in Word) and can't stop playing it. I think it's a > stunning piece of work - but then I like Folk Music. And this is the > real thing - mostly self-penned but firmly within the folk tradition. > Great songs and a great production. I won't deny your reaction as this > sort of thing is not everyone's cup of tea (although I'd argue that it's > not 'bed-sit' unlike, say, Tom McCrae) and I don't know how it would > translate to a live idiom. And I wouldn't choose to put him on before > Wire! Alistair: > You cannot be serious, another the K... > this hapless fool played on the main stage > at the Paradiso before Wire... > terrible, shockingly awful, cringe-making > precious, bed-sit wank-folk of the worst order > ...you got it, I didn't much like him > Scottish or not...probably from Edinburgh > spells his name like a poof... Saw Alasdair Roberts starting off a northern triple-bill with Eastern Lane and Aerogramme and liked the contrast between the "louder" bands and the fragile Roberts. After a while though his singing seemed a bit one-dimensional and numb. Under the surface of his fairytale-like lyrics I also noticed quite a bit of gothicism (is that a word...? well now it is!) like lust and death. And Alistair... never heard you this angry/upset... is it his name? ;-) Bart (Cheer up Woberts!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:40:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT- 'alt.country'... > how can you NOT get down to "My Girl" (one of the greatest > bass riffs ever)???? Yeah, the Jesus & Mary Chain did a fine job here! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:40:18 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... > Alistair: > > ...you got it, I didn't much like him > > Scottish or not...probably from Edinburgh > > spells his name like a poof... Oi. :-( - - Andrew (from Edinburgh) - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:50:06 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >> np: grandaddy - under the western freeway (consider them >> alt. country?) > they look like they should be , but they don't really sound very country. > you could say they were more in the "new moodies" cateogory really. splendid > beard the drummer has , mind. p If I wasn't such a nervous (beard-pulling) wreck I'd like to grow me one of these. But you're right, they probably look more alt. country than they sound it. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:53:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... > > Scottish or not...probably from Edinburgh > > spells his name like a poof... > Oi. :-( > - Andrew (from Edinburgh) Now that doesn't sound very Scottish Andrew... try again! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:10:42 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] I am an incurable and nothing else behaves like me > i have had the trouble with Guided By Voices...been a major fan for > 12 years... > > still not seen them live once...and they HAVE played in Liverpool at least > one time...to my knowledge... Tight Globes - Live from the BBC broadcast of GBV's show at the Royal Court in Liverpool http://www.gbv.com/multimp3.html I reckon this must be the same version as on The Professor of Rock comp, don't you think Ian? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:33:14 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Wild thingah... >> ...and as for the ocarina...most famous use of...??? >> probably The Troggs' 'Wild Thing'...??? probably... > so *that's* what the guy is playing ... been wondering that, off & on > (usually when hearing the song, of course), for decades ... Heard Bobby Kennedy's '67 version yet? (with Teddy on the ocarina) He pronounces almost MES-like: "Wild thingah..." On the B-side rightwing Senator McKinley (Everett McKinley Dirksen) has a go too... listen: http://www.westword.com/extra/jukebox/bh3-6.html Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:53:01 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] fifth wheel I'm poking around the stereosociety pages posted recently, and see Paul Rabjohn's picture of wire on stage in 1978 http://www.stereosociety.com/wirmid1.html and see Mike Thorne on stage playing piano with them. How often did he play live with the band? Was it only piano that he played? On what tracks? - ---------------------------- Bille np: nothing. I'm at the office, screwing around instead of working, and I don't have the balls to put a soundtrack to my goofing off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:25:37 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] fifth wheel In a message dated 7/16/2003 9:53:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tisbili writes: > I'm poking around the stereosociety pages posted recently, > and see Paul Rabjohn's picture of wire on stage in 1978 > > http://www.stereosociety.com/wirmid1.html > > and see Mike Thorne on stage playing piano with them. > > How often did he play live with the band? > Was it only piano that he played? > On what tracks? //////ooooh , i did have a mail from MT on this subject which i'll try to dig out. i happened to mention on here that i had some photos of wire with MT and he got in touch asking for copies. i think he did around a dozen gigs but i'll check that out , late 78 IIRC. sadly i was not present at middlesbrough rock garden in 78 , i was 14 in dunstable and the pocket money wouldn't have stretched that far. i bought the pics at a record fair way later. also in the pack were some pictures of the support band punilux , who looked very "normal" unlike their wacky publicity photos. sadly i have mislaid those , but they'll turn up. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:28:50 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig much thanks for that, jan, as well as to the others who offered to dig up their wandering copies of the comp -- ian sj, mark s & paul r ... a friend of mine had the tape way back when, but back in those dark days before dubbing decks i had no way of copying it. (i used to do the honors by using a ghetto blaster, but at that time i had yet to acquire it.) am surprised that i can't remember a thing about any of these tracks (except for those i became familiar with later via other releases, of course), especially parallel lines, insofar as i'd been intrigued by subway sect ever since reading caroline coon's description in 1988: the new wave punk rock explosion of their 100 club festival performance. dan >I also have that Rough Trade/COPY 001 > >tracks: >side one >Scritti Politti - The Sweetest Girl >Beat - Twist and Crawl Dub >Pere Ubu - Misery Goats >Wah! Heat - 7000 Names of Wah! >Orange Juice - Blue Boy >Cabaret Voltaire - Raising The Count >D.A.F. - Kebab Traume Live >Furious Pig - Bare Pork >Panther Burns - Bourgeois Blues >Buzzcocks - I Look Alone >Essential Logic - Fanfare In The Garden >Robert Wyatt - Born Again Cretin > >side two >Raincoats - Shoutin Out Loud >Josef K - Endless Soul >Blue Orchids - Low Profile >Virgin Prunes - Red Nettle >Aztec Camera - We Could Send Letters >Red Crayola - Milkmaid >Television Personalities - Magnificent Dreams >The Massed Carnaby St. John Cooper Clarkes - The Day My Pad Went Mad >James Blood Ulmer - Jazz Is The Teacher, Funk Is The Preacher >Ian Dury - Closer To Home >Gist - Greener Grass >Subway Sect - Parallel Lines > >ps also mentioned on the sleeve of the cassette >This is the first release of ROUGHTAPES, the new Rough Trade tape cassette >catalogue). Future Rough Tapes releases will include Voice of America by >Cabaret Voltaire, Colossal Youth by the Young Marble Giants, The Art of >Walking by Pere Ubu, new studio LPs by The Raincoats, Scritti Politti, Red >Crayola and Wire cassette only collection of unreleased material. > >Does someone know what could happened with that Wire cassette collection of >unreleased material. Is that the period they just broke up for a while? > > > > >> http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html >> Tracks?? >> V Prunes - Red Nettle >> Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? >> Other Tracks..?? >> Linx!!?? >> >> Tim >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "ian s jackson" >> To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net >> CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 >> >> i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to >> that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan >will >> probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget about >> this one... >> >> ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) >> >> >> >From: "dan bailey" >> >To: "ideal copy" >> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >> >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 >> > >> >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to >see >> >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in >> >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow >> >night after all) circles for having included the >long-otherwise-unavailable >> >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles >> >set) ... >> > >> >dan >> > >> > >see text below from artist direct ; >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?arti s >t >> >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography >> > > Related Genres: > >HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post >> >Punk >> > > >> > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin >> >Kent, >> > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome >that >> > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with >traditional >> >rock >> > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. >In >> > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere >> >Ubu), >> >the group >> > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals >with >> >found >> > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" >on >> >the >> > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction >> >with >> > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the >group >> >was the >> > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade >> >about >> >a >> > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce >> > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, >> >with >> >their >> > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide >> > > >> > > >> > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any >> > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to >> http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:58:56 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Quite partial to a bit of the alt.country; if Giant Sand/Howe Gelb/Calexico >are indicative of the genre. > >Surely the Mekons must figure large in bringing a punk sensibility to >country or the other way round? Certainly the Til Things Are Brighter comp >was a turning point - various indie punk acts doing Johnny Cash covers. I >remember seeing Marc Riley live not long after this album and all he did was >c & w. certainly so, i would think. for me, the whole til things are brighter comp comes 4th, chronologically, in pointing me toward (re?)discovering the country stuff i'd been studiously ignoring since childhood (which otherwise would've been saturated with it), after a couple of other countryesque (at least to my ears) songs i fell in love with -- wall of voodoo's don't spill my courage, green on red's time ain't nothin' & the mekes' hole in the ground. other progenitors of the genre would have to be rank & file and the long ryders ... And does The Fall's Grotesque album count as alt.country? dunno, but container drivers is an insanely great song. certain aspects of the nightingales' stuff fits roughly into the same realm, from what i've been able to hear. dan > >Oh, and yes, huge Beefheart fan. > >Cheers > >John > >http://www.surf.to/ambition > > > > > >>From: "Keith Knight" >>To: , >>Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:25:09 +0100 >> >>I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer >>(alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, >>Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late >>Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' >>'Red Dirt Girl'. But then, apropos, Mr Rabjohn below, I'm a Beefheart >>fan! >> >>Haven't made my mind up about Will Oldham yet - I've heard a fair bit >>but little makes an impact. >> >>And as for the Spree being a one-trick pony - it sure didn't look that >>way in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago, pardner. >> >>Another the Keith >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >>Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com >> >> > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... >> > >> > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts >> > your point, >> > really.) >> >>/////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened >>to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm >>getting to think it may well be alt-country. >> >>although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy >>early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their >>one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved >>that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like >>mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super >>furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than >>my soul is the thing getting uplifted. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:05:31 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT- 'alt.country'... ><< alt.country, AFAIC...is post-indie-grunge infused with the spirit of Hank Williams... >> > >there is that up North. here in the South, the causal arrow goes the other way -- deep rural kids whose parents raised them listening to Bocephus (Hank Williams Jr.) and Johnny Cash, move on the Skynrd and Zeppelin, then are suddenly exposed to punk et al in their late teens, when they start trying to fuse all this stuff together. > >unfortunately the end result of this fusion seems to be: >1. putpedal steel guitar on everything >2. try to over-emphasize a southern accent in the words we sing >3. a bizarre fascination for the music of AC/DC > >so it fails to amuse me. then again, i grew up listening to Motown, and have never really heard any country except the occasional "classic" that someone tries to foist on me. that sort of stuff doesn't translate into adulthood: i just don't care for country in the exact same way that The Temptations do nothing for my friends who grew up in deep rural southern communites. which i don't get at all -- how can you NOT get down to "My Girl" (one of the greatest bass riffs ever)???? mileage may vary, of course ... as it happens, growing up in extreme sw arkansas in what i would say qualifies as a "deep rural southern community" (not a single traffic light to this very day, for instance) in the late '60s & early '70s, i pretty much cut my teeth on radio r'n'b, with a few palatable & obvious rock acts (ccr, stones, beatles) thrown in. would've listened to country only at gunpoint. these days, though, i go through spells where i'm more likely to listen to the classic stuff than anything else ... go figure. dan, completely immune to the dubious charms of ac/dc (though a certain other band's sweet home alabama is one of my guiltiest pleasures ...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:13:52 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Wild thingah... > Heard Bobby Kennedy's '67 version yet? (with Teddy on the ocarina) > He pronounces almost MES-like: "Wild thingah..." > On the B-side rightwing Senator McKinley (Everett McKinley Dirksen) > has a go too... > listen: http://www.westword.com/extra/jukebox/bh3-6.html > > Bart I got a cassette copy of the album a few years ago. My favorite is White Christmas by Bob Dylan-(yeah, but he's a poet) Also have a few Everett Dirksen records. Ed ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #211 *******************************