From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #210 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] furious pig ["Tim ****" ] Re: [idealcopy]Post Punk ["Tim ****" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:57:59 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >> np: grandaddy - under the western freeway (consider them alt. country?) On the fringes, Californian trippy country. One step to the left and your into Flaming Lips territory. Step to the right - Sparklehorse. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:09:13 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? >> Miles... >> >Lots of anti-country sentiment swirling around the list these >> days. Not >> >that I'd think a Wire list would be a hotbed of alt-country >> fans, but I'm >> >feeling pretty alone in my appreciation of old-style hellbilly >> country, let >> >alone its more modern practitioners. Miles, you are certainly not alone. The 'alt.country' genre is currently floating my boat on many fronts. But what would be the clear definition of alt.country? Is it not The Byrds/Flying Burritos 30 years later? Or the re-establishment of traditional American songwriting and musicianship? Hank Williams/Carter Family. I'll go for the latter and in recognition NP The Boggs - We Are The Boggs We Are AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:33:44 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT- 'alt.country'... >brrt > >np: grandaddy - under the western freeway (consider them alt. country?) the term 'alt.country' is *always* gonna be a problem...but yeah, i'd lump them in there... alt.country, to me, at any rate, is certainly NOT the last refuge of the scoundrel...(and even if it was, that wouldn't bother me...)...in Will Oldham's case...what DO you do after something like Slint...??? makes perfect sense to me to go the way he did... alt.country, AFAIC...is post-indie-grunge infused with the spirit of Hank Williams... that's about the best i can come up with...at this time of the morning...and hungover... cheers (hic), ian.s.j. NP - Spain - 'Dreaming Of Love' _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan will probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget about this one... ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 > >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to see >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow >night after all) circles for having included the long-otherwise-unavailable >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles >set) ... > >dan > > >see text below from artist direct ; > > > > > > HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?artist >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography > > Related Genres: HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post >Punk > > > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin >Kent, > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional >rock > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere >Ubu), >the group > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with >found > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on >the > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction >with > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group >was the > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade >about >a > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, >with >their > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > > > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:47:55 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html Tracks?? V Prunes - Red Nettle Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? Other Tracks..?? Linx!!?? Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "ian s jackson" To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan will probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget about this one... ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 > >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to see >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow >night after all) circles for having included the long-otherwise-unavailable >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles >set) ... > >dan > > >see text below from artist direct ; > > > > > > HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?artist >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography > > Related Genres: HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post >Punk > > > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin >Kent, > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional >rock > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere >Ubu), >the group > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with >found > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on >the > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction >with > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group >was the > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade >about >a > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, >with >their > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > > > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:01:41 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]Post Punk Has anyone read this? http://members.aol.com/blissout/postpunk.htm np Sort Sol - Marble Station..natch! - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tim ****" To: iansjackson@hotmail.com CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:47:55 +0800 http://www.appelstein.com/ymg/C81.html Tracks?? V Prunes - Red Nettle Cabs - Loosen The Clamp? Other Tracks..?? Linx!!?? Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "ian s jackson" To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:39:41 +0100 i still have the C81 NME cassettee somewhere...and the C86 one come to that...but it's hidden away...and i'm in the process of moving...so dan will probably come up with the track listing because i'm bound to forget about this one... ian.s.j. (remind me if not...) >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 > >speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to see >if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in >buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow >night after all) circles for having included the long-otherwise-unavailable >i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles >set) ... > >dan > > >see text below from artist direct ; > > > > > > HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,993945,00.html?artist >=Furious+Pig">FURIOUS PIG: Biography > > Related Genres: HREF="http://www.artistdirect.com/music/genre/sub/0,,533,00.html">Post >Punk > > > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin >Kent, > >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that > >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional >rock > >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In > >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere >Ubu), >the group > >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with >found > >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on >the > >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction >with > >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group >was the > >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade >about >a > >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce > >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, >with >their > >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > > > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any > >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #210 *******************************