From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #209 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT] mule variations / wooly bully [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] the Fall in Atlanta [P J Kane ] Re: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy] Throbbing Gristle event [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta...and Buckley... ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:55:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] mule variations / wooly bully >>> Is that legal ; ) >> Hmmm, isn't it Welsh? ;-) > Don't be silly. We go for an altogether more woolly thing over here ; ) Singing "It's sheep we're up against" (Housemartins) ;-) http://www.circuitboy.org/timmy/tday/sheepcuddle.jpg Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:12:22 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > Wire are especially guilty of this. I don't expect them to play the local > British Legion, but Liverpool (particularly as it's now a > 'city of > culture'!!!), Manchester or even Birmingham would be nice. > > Keith /////////i'm pretty sure 80's wire played mcr a couple of times. but 21st century wire (now that's a good name) has been a pretty home counties-centric proposition. and as for brum , which is gig-going country for me , i don't think wire have played here since punk rock barbarellas days. they did support the tubes at the odeon as well IIRC , but this was long before my arrival in 82. p ps can i use the name "cloneheads" for my next project :-) pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:14:47 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 07:12:22AM -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts your point, really.) - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:46:20 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 7/15/2003 6:14:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... > > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts > your point, > really.) /////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm getting to think it may well be alt-country. and meanwhile i see cerys catatonia going alt-country with a band of nashville's finest. hmmmm....... although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than my soul is the thing getting uplifted. apologies for comparing the YYY's to blondie. having just about stopped laughing after that TOTP performance i realise that the acurate comparison would be nina hagen. not that familiar with will oldham , but i did like the couple of his songs pj harvey did on that last tour. she's a huge fan. and i really like the rhodes single on swim. sounds a bit like the adverts. deserved more comment than it got. anyone bought the "commercial suicide" re-issue. i suspect crammed's distribution is not exactly putting it in front of everyone (in time honoured fashion). anyone else feel its too hot to work today? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:53:10 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 07:46:20AM -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > anyone else feel its too hot to work today? p *yes*. I share an office with five other people and currently seven computers which are turned on, and it's... http://www.uk.research.att.com/cgi-bin/weathergauges-html-cgi/ 29.6 deg C out there. I'm frying... (and had to give a half-hour talk this morning, which is rarely fun.) I want to go and lie under a tree somewhere with a book and my minidisc, and do very little. - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:13 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta << please don't kill anyone in japancakes. i haven't had the chance to see them live yet...and i think they're pretty darn cool :o) >> actually, i have a love-hate relationship with this act. they used to play around as openers quite a bit. they were really good opening for Movietone (http://www.evilsponge.org/concert/Movietone__15Nov.htm): in fact i talked with the lead guy there and he promo-ed us thier first release. but later when i saw them open for Arab Strap (http://www.evilsponge.org/concert/ArabStrap__7Apr01.htm) the pedal steel totally dominated the sound and really ruined it/pissed me off..... and i don't think that their albums even begin to compare to a good live show.... at any rate: i haven't seen them listed on a bill in forever. do they even still exist? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:22:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >> anyone else feel its too hot to work today? p > *yes*. I share an office with five other people and currently seven > computers which are turned on, and it's... > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/cgi-bin/weathergauges-html-cgi/ > > 29.6 deg C out there. I'm frying... (and had to give a half-hour talk > this morning, which is rarely fun.) I want to go and lie under a tree > somewhere with a book and my minidisc, and do very little. same here... luckily I'm working from my home and i can put the fan on full blast. bloody deadlines! had 5 twister-icecreams so far... :-P brrt np: grandaddy - under the western freeway (consider them alt. country?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:24:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? > and i still need/want the last two Johnny Cash LP's...!!! (^_^) you can count me in here... bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:44:17 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer On the website of Whitehouses' http://www.susanlawly.freeuk.com/news/news.html is mentioned that there is an extensive review of the Why You Never Became A Dancer Shows, where Bruce Gilbert also took part as DJ The Beekpeeper. This review should be written in a magazine called Careless Talks Costs Lives Are there some overseas who know this magazine. There site looks interesting. http://www.carelesstalkcostslives.com I am curious what Whitehouse are doing. Have never heard anything by them. Think they are quite extreme. Noise, like Merzbow. Are there some recommendations. It has something to do with X-Ray Spex, Lora Logic I believe. Sculpturing Rude Air Movements? np A documentary called La Lugubera Gondela, about Lido Islands Hotel des Bains (Death in Venice) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:52:12 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >> Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - >> or don't live. :-) > i completely understand honest...its just that The Fall have been going for > so long... > anyway, i have had the trouble with Guided By Voices...been a major fan for > 12 years... > still not seen them live once...and they HAVE played in Liverpool at least > one time...to my knowledge... seen 'em twice and only had to walk 5 min. from my home. that's how small Holland is! and darn... GBV's Earthquake Glue album won't be released till august. been playing them a lot again lately - i wonder why that is... ;-) bart 15x GBV, Athens, 4.19.02: http://bellmas.org/glide/gbv/index.php?img=7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:42:36 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 7/15/2003 8:22:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > np: grandaddy - under the western freeway (consider them > alt. country?) /////they look like they should be , but they don't really sound very country. you could say they were more in the "new moodies" cateogory really. splendid beard the drummer has , mind. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:47:50 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer In a message dated 7/15/2003 8:44:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: > I am curious what Whitehouse are doing. Have never heard anything by them. > Think they are quite extreme. Noise, like Merzbow. Are there some > recommendations. It has something to do with X-Ray Spex, > Lora Logic I > believe. ////lora logic formed essential logic after she left x ray spex. william bennett played guitar on one or two EL releases (definitely the superb "wake up" EP , maybe some others. i think he left after not too long ). but you could hardly find anything further from whitehouse than EL. does anybody here take whitehouse seriously? just curious.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:05:54 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Steven Hawking - Gansta Rappa? Hi everyone, This is completely off topic, but since I know most of you are advanced nuclear physicists and gansta rappers, here you go! http://www.mchawking.com Chers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:40:53 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re:[idealcopy]Re:Fall-ingtowardAtlanta << That's a good recap of the Fall show, PJ, >> thanks man. i will clean that up and post it on The Sponge... << and it seems like we agree on several things. I agree with you 100% that I wish that The Fall had played at Variety Playhouse. >> here here! <> the Mogwai with Bardo Pone? i was at that one. and the Yo La Tengo with Versus? i was at that one too.... and i was at Bob there, but at The Last Dog and Pony Show and the first tour with new rave music stuff.... wierd. are you stalking me? :P << It's a great place to sit down and chill during a show, although one annoyance is the constant sound of beer bottles clanking into the big garbage cans when music is not being played at top loudness and intensity. >> yeah, i like that you can sit and enjoy the show without bein physically pressed up against sweaty unwashed people... << A friend of mine gave me a CD-R bootleg of the same Mogwai show that I attended at Variety Playhouse in 2001 and the beer-bottle clanking can be heard prominently on the bootleg! >> HA! << By the way, my Fall collection just increased by 50%...lol. I stopped by Wax 'N' Facts on the way home from work and picked up This Nation's Saving Grace for nine dollars. This, my friends, is one excellent album from the couple of listens so far and it will sit proudly beside Witch Trials and Totally Wired. >> did you find it on vinyl or CD? that is the one that i have mot heard recommended by The Fall, and thus is the one i am most curious to locate... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:00:32 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the Fall in Atlanta << Before I say anything else, I'm glad to have met Jason and Dan, and wish Mr. Version and P.J. Kane had been able to make their presence known. >> i wish i had known others would be there! i guess i should have checked my email on Saturday afternoon..... << Mrs. Eleanor Smith is a complete looker (I did take a few more looks at her from the middle of the audience, since the right-side position I held for most of the set allowed me only a view of her left arm) >> so, the keyboardist, who i could barely here and never saw ( i bet she wasblocked by amps from my vantage at the bar) is his wife? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:29:54 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? >> and i still need/want the last two Johnny Cash LP's...!!! (^_^) I've got a nice copy of Cash's "Ring Of Fire" on red vinyl and a cute picture disk of "Don't Tetch It" -I don't remember the artist. Always loved the OLD country music...George Jones, Hank Williams.....having grown up in the southern U.S. (I'm Cajun) Ed (mullet-to-mohawk) Special (hehe) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:39:25 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 10:47 AM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > does anybody here take whitehouse seriously? just curious.p Weren't they a Christian noise band? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:44:46 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Steven Hawking - Gansta Rappa? On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is completely off topic, but since I know most of you are advanced > nuclear physicists and gansta rappers, here you go! > > http://www.mchawking.com > > Chers, > Paul Hilarious! Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:30:35 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? >>> and i still need/want the last two Johnny Cash LP's...!!! (^_^) > >I've got a nice copy of Cash's "Ring Of Fire" on red vinyl and a cute >picture disk of "Don't Tetch It" -I don't remember the artist. Always >loved the OLD country music...George Jones, Hank Williams.....having >grown up in the southern U.S. (I'm Cajun) from whereabouts? i totaled my beloved (i.e. i had it only about 3 months, so it didn't have time to break down) '74 fiat 124 sports coupe in ville platte, la., on 9/6/80 (13th anniversary of my father's death, i later found out -- bad vibes) while headed down to lafayette to rescue my first wife from the clutches of what was then the univ of sw la ... cheap trick's in color was on the car's blaupunkt 8-track deck -- talk about dating oneself. dan > Ed (mullet-to-mohawk) Special >(hehe) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:11:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] furious pig see text below from artist direct ; FURIOUS PIG: Biography Related Genres: Post Punk From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin Kent, Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional rock instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere Ubu), the group tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with found objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on the legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction with Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group was the I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade about a month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, with their paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:41:52 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig speaking of c81, i'm going to have to go poking around the internet to see if i can come up with a track-listing. it's of course pretty legendary in buzzcocks (who it looks like i'll be able to go see in atlanta tomorrow night after all) circles for having included the long-otherwise-unavailable i look alone (recently reissued as part of the 10-or-however-many singles set) ... dan >see text below from artist direct ; > > > FURIOUS PIG: Biography > Related Genres: Post Punk > > From South Devon, England, Furious Pig -- Cass Davies, Martin Kent, >Stephen Kent, and Dominic Weeks -- were a mostly a cappella foursome that >existed during the post-punk era. The group started out with traditional rock >instrumentation but opted to strip things down to be more interesting. In >performances (which included shows with the Slits, the Fall, and Pere Ubu), the group >tended to accompany its intense and intricately orchestrated vocals with found >objects as percussion. They made their debut with the song "Bare Pork" on the >legendary C81, a cassette compilation released by NME (in conjunction with >Rough Trade) in early 1981. The only single-artist release from the group was the >I Don't Like Your Face 12" single, which was released by Rough Trade about a >month after C81. (Production on one of the songs came from Wire's Bruce >Gilbert.) After splitting up, each of the members continued in music, with their >paths occasionally crossing. ~ Andy Kellman, All Music Guide > > >never realised bruce was involved despite owning that 12". not in any >discographies either. anyone know if this is correct? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:20:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OT: HALF TERM LISTS... I bought Farewell Sorrow unheard last week (on the back of a rave review by Peter Paphides in Word) and can't stop playing it. I think it's a stunning piece of work - but then I like Folk Music. And this is the real thing - mostly self-penned but firmly within the folk tradition. Great songs and a great production. I won't deny your reaction as this sort of thing is not everyone's cup of tea (although I'd argue that it's not 'bed-sit' unlike, say, Tom McCrae) and I don't know how it would translate to a live idiom. And I wouldn't choose to put him on before Wire! Another the Keith NP: Farewell Sorrow - Alasdair Roberts (natch) - -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Tear [mailto:alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk] Sent: 14 July 2003 09:55 To: 'Keith Knight' Cc: Wire (E-mail) Subject: RE: HALF TERM LISTS... You cannot be serious, another the K... this hapless fool played on the main stage at the Paradiso before Wire... terrible, shockingly awful, cringe-making precious, bed-sit wank-folk of the worst order ...you got it, I didn't much like him Scottish or not...probably from Edinburgh spells his name like a poof... A LPs Farewell Sorrow - Alasdair Roberts ************************************************************************ * The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Miles Goosens Sent: 14 July 2003 19:16 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta At 01:43 AM 7/13/2003 +0100, ian s jackson wrote: >>First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll report >>about the gig tomorrow. >> >>later, >> >>Miles > >did i read that right...?? 'first Fall gig'...??? ;-) dear god, Miles...!!! For the benefit of our U.K. contingent, I'll offer up the following scenario. Imagine, momentarily, that the Fall is not from Manchester, but is the product of a crazed idiosyncratic genius from Birmingham, Alabama. This band tours the U.K. and Western Europe once every three or four years, which immediately places a lot of limitations on how often it's financially or geographically possible to even have a shot at seeing them. When they do come to Europe, their typical tour schedule is: * Helsinki * Minsk * Bucharest * Vienna * Munich * Madrid * Lisbon (This pattern is typical of acts touring from the U.S., who go only to these stops and largely ignore a London audience they regard as provincial.) Munich is the closest gig to you on the typical tour itinerary. On every third tour, they play a more extensive set of dates, but the closest one to you is always Edinburgh. And there's not train service to Edinburgh, you'll have to drive. Maybe the every-six-years-in-Edinburgh show is on a weekday. You only have ten vacation days a year, and most of them have to be split between relaxing with your spouse/s.o. and visiting your far-off relatives in the Orkneys on the holidays, which makes those two days off to drive to and from Edinburgh on Wednesday and Thursday to see the Fall a really tough thing to justify. Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - - or don't live. :-) later, Miles, live from Nashville, TN p.s.: Fall gig was quite good in my estimation, and I hope to say more about it later today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re:[idealcopy]Re:Fall-ingtowardAtlanta On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, P J Kane wrote: > did you find it on vinyl or CD? that is the one that i have mot heard > recommended by The Fall, and thus is the one i am most curious to > locate... If you've got a fast connection and want to gorge yourself on the Fall, I recommend checking out eMusic.com. I've got the $10/month recurring subscription and think it's an incredible bargain, but for $45 (3 months at $15 each, the shortest subscription available) you could grab 20 Fall studio albums and a dozen live ones. I mean, you get to download whatever else you want from eMusic for that money too, but the Fall stuff alone makes it worthwhile. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:59:11 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Genuine Krautrock moment Having railed here before against bands (admittedly mostly Klang) advertising themselves as Krautrock but being a load of indie bollocks instead, I encountered a genuine Krautrock moment last night at the Calexico / Yo La Tengo gig when, two songs in, YLT played a song which had all the right ingredients - motorik drumming, repeated bass line and far-away guitar sound. This appears to be 'Little Eyes' from their new album - has anyone heard this? It was the highlight of an insanely varied set. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:17:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Genuine Krautrock moment speaking of "Krautrock"...does anyone on the list have the re-issue of "GOLEM" by SAND...it was produced by Klaus Schulze and is more in line with Walter Wegmuller "Tarot" album or the Sergius Von Golowin album instead of the motorik NEU! sound or the spaceway freakouts of Ash Ra or Tangerine Dream...it's more a psychedelic/electronic folkish sound... the reissue was lovingly released by Steve Stapleton (Nurse With Wound) and David Tibet (Current 93) on the Durtro label i believe... it's called "Ultrasonic Seraphim" and it's a two disc set...the first cd is the entire Golem album and the second cd is rarities and previously unreleased tracks....i cannot find this anywhere.... let me know if any of you have it or if you know where i can get it...if anyone in Europe (or the US) sees it in a shop, pick it for me and i will gladly pay you for what you spent... thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:25:09 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta I still can't stand traditional country but now love a variety of newer (alt) country acts to varying degrees - Lucinda Williams, Lambchop, Handsome Family, Calexico (well, they've got pedal steel guitar), late Johnny Cash (The Man comes Around is simply staggering), Emmylou Harris' 'Red Dirt Girl'. But then, apropos, Mr Rabjohn below, I'm a Beefheart fan! Haven't made my mind up about Will Oldham yet - I've heard a fair bit but little makes an impact. And as for the Spree being a one-trick pony - it sure didn't look that way in Cambridge a couple of weeks ago, pardner. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... > > Will Oldham. (I don't know if this supports or contradicts > your point, > really.) /////i used to think that the end of the line , for guys who've listened to waaaay too much of everything , was zappa/beefheart. but now i'm getting to think it may well be alt-country. although a lot of the vibe at glasto seemed to be a sort of happy clappy early 70's stylee. the polyphonic spree seem to have ridden their one-trick pony far enough to have it collapsing under the strain (loved that guardian review) , but as well as obviously similar acts like mercury rev you could see elements of the same feel in the super furries. its all a bit moody blues for me , and my stomach rather than my soul is the thing getting uplifted. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:18:56 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer > an extensive review of the Why You Never Became A > Dancer Shows, where Bruce Gilbert also took part as DJ The Beekpeeper A typo Jan, or is Bruce playing alliteration games with his nick now? ;-) > np A documentary called La Lugubera Gondela, about Lido Islands Hotel > des Bains (Death in Venice) Interesting! Probably named after the stunning (and Satie-like) piano piece by Ferenc (aka Franz) Liszt with practically the same name (La Lugubre Gondola). I couldn't care less for most of Liszt's virtuoso style, but this piece really is something else. listen: http://www.classicalarchives.com/liszt.html (under 3rd year Italy) Liszt wrote it for (his son-in-law) Richard Wagner's funeral. The album's sleeve often depicts Arnold Bvcklin masterpainting The Island of the Dead (in Venice), one of my fave's as a youth. Richard Wagner was buried on this island and he must've been carried to there in a similar way as in the painting. I would very much like to visit it one time. look: http://www.nelepets.com/art/20c/1901bocklin%20gies.htm Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:30:29 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Steven Hawking - Gansta Rappa? In a message dated 7/15/2003 10:05:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > This is completely off topic, but since I know most of you are advanced nuclear physicists and gansta rappers, here you go! Nuclear physics!?!? Check dat, G. That punk shit is wack! I bust a cap in any sorry ass nuclear physicists think they can hang with me! I'm down with astrophysics. Lemme hear you say it now... H to the A to the W to the K to the I to the N to the G Ain't no amyelinizing shit gonna stop me my chair has wheels it aint no hearse still find time to bang my nurse etc ================ S dog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:36:26 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan J Noorda" To: "Bart van Damme" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer > > Yes sorry my screen dyslexia, but beakpeeper could be a nice name for a > Bruce Gilbert nature sound recording project ;-) > > And Venice is a very intersting city of art. The title Tod im Venedig is a > book written by Thomas Mann. A lot of artists would like to be or stayed > there at the end of there, like Strawinski, Serge Dhiagilev, Benjamin > Britten, Luchino Visconti, Karol Szymanowski, Joseph Brodsky, Ezra Pound, > Luigi Nono (married with a daughter of Arnold Schvnberg) Richard Wagner etc. > > The city should have a very distance like feeling with always that sound of > water. Maybe this is also one thing what Christian Fennesz inspires to give > his coming album the title Venice. > > Has anyone ever been in Venice? > > > > > an extensive review of the Why You Never Became A > > > Dancer Shows, where Bruce Gilbert also took part as DJ The Beekpeeper > > > > A typo Jan, or is Bruce playing alliteration games with his nick now? ;-) > > > > > np A documentary called La Lugubera Gondela, about Lido Islands Hotel > > > des Bains (Death in Venice) > > > > Interesting! Probably named after the stunning (and Satie-like) piano > piece > > by Ferenc (aka Franz) Liszt with practically the same name (La Lugubre > > Gondola). I couldn't care less for most of Liszt's virtuoso style, but > this > > piece really is something else. > > > > listen: http://www.classicalarchives.com/liszt.html (under 3rd year Italy) > > > > Liszt wrote it for (his son-in-law) Richard Wagner's funeral. > > The album's sleeve often depicts Arnold Bvcklin masterpainting The Island > of > > the Dead (in Venice), one of my fave's as a youth. Richard Wagner was > buried > > on this island and he must've been carried to there in a similar way as in > > the painting. I would very much like to visit it one time. > > > > look: http://www.nelepets.com/art/20c/1901bocklin%20gies.htm > > > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:41:17 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer >In a message dated 7/15/03 12:40:24 PM Central Daylight Time, >edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > >> > does anybody here take whitehouse seriously? just curious.p >> >> Weren't they a Christian noise band? >> Ed > >i dunno...but their album with Nurse With Wound is one hell of a noise assault > >RL weren't they associated with (or a part of, or another name for, or whatever ...) the coum transmissions (or whatever the name was) people? somehow, i don't discern any underlying christian tendencies. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:51:13 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] furious pig / C81 dan if you can't get a tracklist for C81 let me know , i do have a copy i could go dig out.... p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:53:29 -0400 From: "Creaig Dunton" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Why You Never Became A Dancer > weren't they associated with (or a part of, or another name for, > or whatever > ...) the coum transmissions (or whatever the name was) people? somehow, i > don't discern any underlying christian tendencies. > > dan Not directly with Coum Transmissions (other than an early appreciation for Throbbing Gristle and the continuing hatred by Genesis P-Orridge). Whitehouse's label was Come Organisation (most likely a direct parody). Whitehouse is very far from anything Christian...a buddy of mine described their latest stuff as sounding like pure evil, but more like two maniacs ranting over a backing track similar to "In Esse". Acquired taste, and it does help if you don't take them too seriously... Blackhouse is the Christian industrial band, whom I've never heard... - -- Creaig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:58:56 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Steven Hawking - Gansta Rappa? word ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:07:04 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Ed goes to Hell On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 05:41 PM, dan bailey wrote: >> In a message dated 7/15/03 12:40:24 PM Central Daylight Time, >> edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: >> >>>> does anybody here take whitehouse seriously? just curious.p >>> >>> Weren't they a Christian noise band? >>> Ed >> >> i dunno...but their album with Nurse With Wound is one hell of a noise > assault >> >> RL > > weren't they associated with (or a part of, or another name for, or > whatever > ...) the coum transmissions (or whatever the name was) people? > somehow, i > don't discern any underlying christian tendencies. > > dan I just seem to remember when they first came on the scene as being billed specifically as a "Christian" noise band. As in: a "Christian Alternative" to the otherwise "secular world" of noise. I'm probably wrong. I guess I'll go to Hell. Here I go...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:07:40 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness This morning, a friend of mine from Rhode Island (and the owner of the Brentwood Estates record label up there) posted about an Austin band called I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness. She had received some ILYBICD mp3's from a friend earlier in the day and recommended them, saying that they are a good combination of Wire, The Cure, Explosions In The Sky, '70's/'80's Factory Records bands, etc. I checked out the ILYBICD website and, after finding out that the band consisted of two members of Windsor For The Derby, emailed a friend who had recorded with that band on their album, Difference And Repetition. He gave me some more info on I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness and said that the band is opening for The Fall tomorrow night. Ha...talk about coming full circle with current music obsessions. I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness also include members of past Austin bands, Glorium, Salute The Curse, and Paul Newman. Anyway, here is the website in case anyone wants to check them out. http://www.chosendarkness.com The band is about to release an EP in September, mehears, and supposedly has some newer mp3's than the ones on the site, but I do recommend listening to the three on the site. The third mp3, Song Eight, sounds like it would fit right in one of the first four U2 albums or on an early Simple Minds album. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:11:57 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Ed goes to Hell Maybe it was Blackhouse..... http://metajour.50megs.com/groups/blackhou.htm http://www.emusic.com/artist/10565/10565607.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:54:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Throbbing Gristle event i just found out this bit of news from the Coil list...next May there will be a huge event that will feature a live Throbbing Gristle reunion as well as several live events from side projects (Chris & Cosey or Carter & Tutti as they are now known..as well as Coil with or without Jhon Balance...and possibly some rambling from Gen) as of now it seems set for May of next year at Camber Sands... no word as yet if the Gristilizer will be dusted off for use..or if the modern gadgets will be the order of the day... might be tempted to fly over to the UK for that one... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:00:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta...and Buckley... > pps alt-country ; the last refuge of the scoundrel. discuss... I think it was Ian who mentioned Smog here - do they count? Otherwise, apart from oldies like Hank Williams and Johnny Cash, I can't abide country or much of the alt.country that the otherwise fine Uncut mag favours (well apart from Lambchops Nixon)... On a different note, anyone else watch the Jeff Buckley programme that was on BBC2 a short time ago? Pretty interesting, if occasionally a bit hammy production-wise. And enough mentions of Tim (and short clips and interviews with the likes of Lee Underwood too) to get Paul P going a funny shade of green (sorry Paul, I didn't tape it unfortunately). Didn't know that Tim Buckley fan Liz Fraser (also featured) fell in love with Jeff though... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:Wilco tickets... ........Wilco playing @ Auditorium Theatre,Chicago:Sat. Sept. 20. pre-purchase @ ticketmaster.com,code zebra,july 16 @ 12 noon. ..................................................... and at Val-Air Ballroom:Des Moines,Wed. Sept.17.tickets @ wilcoworld.net,July 21. good luck to anyone that makes it.Ari (they're also touring,currently i think,with REM.) SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #209 *******************************