From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #208 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... [Andrew Walkingsha] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] mule variations ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... Thanks Jan. Not cheap is it! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan J Noorda To: Keith Astbury ; Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... > It is not Clonehead but Klonehertz > > It is available http://www.puregroove.co.uk/atoz.asp?Genre=5&Alpha=K > Search under the letter K under the pull down menu Garage and then > Klonehertz down under this page > You can still listen a piece > > > > Don't think this has been mentioned before... > > > > Heard a record on Steve Lamacq just before that I think will be of > interest. A > > version of Three Girl Rhumba by Clonehead (?) that started off as a pretty > > basic (sampled) run thru, but then got a bit more noodly/fiddly. I've just > > googled Clonehead but with no joy. I'd certainly like to hear it again > > though. > > > > Keith > > > > NP YYY - fever to tell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:41:12 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:15:47PM +0200, Jan J Noorda wrote: > It is not Clonehead but Klonehertz > > It is available http://www.puregroove.co.uk/atoz.asp?Genre=5&Alpha=K > Search under the letter K under the pull down menu Garage and then > Klonehertz down under this page > You can still listen a piece Oh my. This is hilarious. (It's retitled "The Impossible", I think...) It's mental. - - An*doof*doof*doof*doof*drew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:45:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] mule variations > More great ass: http://www.geocities.com/muleguru/tails.html nice ; ) Time to play Brain Donor's Pagan My Ass I reckon... > > Is that legal ; ) > > Hmmm, isn't it Welsh? ;-) Don't be silly. We go for an altogether more woolly thing over here ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:03:25 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK In a message dated 7/14/03 2:00:25 AM, anw7pima@yahoo.com writes: >just as bad as the studio album, only live. this quote just has to be saved for later use! too good to only use this one time. :o) p.c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:16:16 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 7/14/03 9:37:54 AM, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > i swear, i am going to kill the next band i see with a pedal steel guitar.... please don't kill anyone in japancakes. i haven't had the chance to see them live yet...and i think they're pretty darn cool :o) - -paul c.d. n.p. cabaret voltaire- technology: western re-works 1992 www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:31:02 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... damn. it won't play for me :o( what format is it? - -paul c.d. >On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:15:47PM +0200, Jan J Noorda wrote: >> It is not Clonehead but Klonehertz >> >> It is available http://www.puregroove.co.uk/atoz.asp?Genre=5&Alpha=K >> Search under the letter K under the pull down menu Garage and then >> Klonehertz down under this page >> You can still listen a piece www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:39:55 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >"dan bailey" << just stumbled in (nice detour on the interstate outside auburn) >> > >do you live in Auburn? i am there every few months.... boring place really i'm in montgomery, which makes auburn about 1/3rd of the way to (& 2/3rds of the way from) atlanta. this was the only time i'd ever actually been in auburn. certainly not very lively circa 3 a.m. sunday -- probably comparable to montgomery at, oh, 9 on a friday night. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:45:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] the Fall in Atlanta Seeing as I've let everyone else go first, I can take it easy and respond to their posts, rather than have to come up with the whole description on my own. :-) Before I say anything else, I'm glad to have met Jason and Dan, and wish Mr. Version and P.J. Kane had been able to make their presence known. Also, after utterly failing at getting a group together for the RFH 2000 Wire show, due to no one allowing for how hopelessly crowded the bar area would be (let's see, I met one idealcopyist -- but which one of you? -- at the bar, Craig when I was trying to get my backstage pass, and... and... that was it, I guess), I'm declaring our little idealcopy confab in Atlanta a smashing success. I've decided that wearing a Stax t-shirt is the way to go, since both Jason and Dan homed right in on me before the show. A friend on another list wears his Big Star shirt to every such thing, with similarly excellent success. Anyway, to the comments... First, Dan, with whom I mostly agree: >the band was quite hot (did >someone here -- or was it on the fallnews site? -- compare them to a mere >bar band? they're sure as hell head & shoulders above the bar bands i'm all >too familiar with). Yeah, I thought the band was competent at the very least (in fact, one of the reviews at the Fall news site accuses them of being too competent!), and the rhythm section was quite good, as befits the rhythmically-oriented stuff of 1990-present. Mrs. Eleanor Smith is a complete looker (I did take a few more looks at her from the middle of the audience, since the right-side position I held for most of the set allowed me only a view of her left arm) and played admittedly uncomplicated but still tasty keyboard parts. The guitarist I couldn't make up my mind about -- I kept wanting there to be *more* guitar in the mix, and more aggressive guitar at that, but was it that the guy couldn't crank it out or that he needed to be cranked up in the mix? I could hear every instrument fine, so the mix was good from that respect, but I kept thinking "more guitar, more guitar!" >fairly typical set, i suppose, though we didn't get dr buck's letter, >bourgeois town, touch sensitive, way round, last commands of xyarlothotep or >mountain energei (afaik, anyway). I guess I'll download one of those "leaked" copies of COUNTRY ON THE CLICK to see -- I could swear we got a song that mentioned "mountain," but given the absence of a definitive setlist on FallNet (a couple of reviews even omit the "Ghost in My House" encore!), I'm loathe to say. >then again, i'm not sure how many (if any) >of the other performances included my ex-girlfriend's kids, When we were driving down to Atlanta, I made an exception to my usual "no songs by the group we're going to see" policy because of the Fall's voluminous catalog, and had Melissa load in CDs and tracks in typical setlist order. Anyway, due either to a typo on a CD or my incompetence, we listened to "My Ex-Classmate's Kids" by mistake, and... they played it that night. Weird. >not to mention >an encore of ghost in my house, followed by (after 10-plus minutes of crowd >exhortion) another encore of i'm going to spain, featuring mes backed only >by drums. I've never been to another show where a half hour of encores amounted to less music! :-) Weirdly paced, but I was glad every time the band made it back -- and even with a note of finality to "I'm Going To Spain," I thought we still might get "Dr. Buck's Letter," which has been enjoyed on this tour by even the most jaded and churlish of Fall fans, but of course we didn't. With such odd pacing to the encores, it was tough to tell when the gig had ended, and if I had read a report today that the band came back on at 2:30 and played three more songs between 2:30 and 3 AM, I wouldn't have been that surprised. Highlight of the new CotC material was definitely "Sparta FC," which rocked like a mutha. I thought that the band, while always competent, was especially tight and energetic on the new material, like they had more invested in it and knew how to put it into overdrive in a way that, with more time, they might be able to do with the catalog... >nice to meet miles & jason. three full heads of hair, for those keeping >note. none of us exactly scrawny, either. I'll happily donate some hair to our U.K. baldies, as long as they take some excess pounds along with the hair. >would've loved to have had the rogers sisters as openers, but locals paper >lions (from athens) were pretty decent, i thought. without ransacking my >record collection or memory, i was sort of reminded of a more propulsive >lp-era middle class or maybe breaking circus. oddly enough, one of their >songs mid-set was *already* reminding me of one of the gang of 4's less >jarring early songs when the lead singer started playing whatever the >harmonica-esque instrument is that's heard on it's her factory ... I feel old and jaded (as I remarked at the time to Dan and Jason), but while Paper Lions were good at what they do and played well, over the years I've heard 25 bands exactly like them. At this point, if the singer is going to yell at me for 45 minutes, he damn sure better have something interesting to say, and I think they pretty much failed this test. I don't know any of Dan's refs aside from Gang of Four, but aside from the melodica, I didn't think they sounded Gang-of-Four-ist at all -- more loud than funky/jittery, more hard-industrial (think guitars instead of synths) than punky. In fact, they reminded me of some noisy stuff from the late '80s that never quite caught my fancy, like Helmet or especially Barkmarket. And the comparison Dan and Jason made right after their set, to Fugazi and other Dischord bands, was much more spot on than Gang of four. For what it's worth, I had been sitting down for most of Paper Lions' set conserving my energy for the Fall -- if I was going to battle the past-capacity crowd for breathing and viewing space, it was going to be for the band I drove 4 1/2 hours to see -- but the next-to-last song in Paper Lions' set was good enough that I stood up to watch. But the rest of the set didn't interest me, even though it didn't bug me much either. Oh, and the song that the guy in the middle sang was awful, and he really shouldn't try to sing lead ever again. >after the final encore, what issued forth >from the p.a. than i should have known better? clearly, miles has an in with >someone ... Since I was meeting a couple of listmembers there, this was a truly surreal moment. We were hoping the rest of 154 would follow, but to no avail. Version, first on Paper Lions: >Props for energy and playing ability, >points off for originality and not once did they (or I) achieve liftoff... Agreed. Now to the Fall: >3. They finish their set just after 11, the Fall wait just about an hour to >take the stage. The wait was awful, almost getting up in the territory of the record jammed-club wait I endured at my first show in Nashville 15 years ago, NINETY minutes between an acoustic set by Tom Verlaine and the headlining set by the Church. The Church's equipment was already set up, too -- Verlaine simply unplugged his acoustic and walked off, so the Church could have come right on if they were tuned up. >Mr. Smith is >attired in oft-mentioned leather jacket, which he later takes off to reveal >a short-sleeved knitted shirt, similar at a distance to those alligator Izod >shirts so ubiquitous on these shores, and what appear to be never before >remarked upon jogging trousers, although from my vantage I could be >completely wrong... Yeah, these looked like black nylon jogging pants, the kind that 80-yr old men in retirement communities wear in the winter. In the summer, they wear shorts and sandals with black socks, the socks contrasting vividly with their pallid legs. Even in pics I've seen of MES wearing slacks on this tour, his waistline is still creeping up Old Man-style, inexorably rising toward his armpits. >Band reveals itself to be earnest and pedestrian, competently plowing >through each number, often stopping rather than ending the tunes. >.... ( I mean, it kind of sounded like it was my friends and I up there >playing), but, no the thought is too much to consider further... I feel about this statement the same way I do when I hear guys at baseball games jeer and say that they could do a better job than the players -- let's see you get out there against the pros and see how long you'll last. For all I know, you and your friends could have a darn good indie band and might well do a better job, but I would hardly slag the current Fall lineup. >Soon he is fiddling with bass and guitar amp knobs...hysterically, the >bassist frantically watches which knobs, and then, after double-checking >that Mark E's attention is occupied with the paying customers, tries to dial >them back. At several points the guitar sound cuts off altogether, or >raises up to ear splitting level. Mr. Smith emerges from crouch in front of >guitar amp, apparently satisfied with his improv/mixing experiment. >Guitarist shrugs shoulders, keeps playing, gets sympathetic glance from >bassist...and then tries to find his correct sound again before the next >song... I remember some twiddling, but not to the extent that's been reported at other stops on the tour -- and at least where I was, there were never any cut-outs aside from Mark's self-induced static-in-the-mic thing (twirl the mike cord that many times, and you're *surprised* that it starts to cut out?). > A small number of songs receive shouts of recognition from the crowd, at >least one song has some audience singalong participation, but there are no >'take the roof off the sucker' moments, no passing of the microphone, no >dancing, This sounds like a different show than the one I went to. "Sparta FC," though new, was magnificent and got a great, almost gasping reaction from the area of the crowd in which I was situated. "Big New Prinz" was especially recognized and *did* have the mic passing, and I thought was a genuine "tear the roof off" experience. Of course, reading down the page at the Fall News site, every show seems to have received very disparate reviews, with some being floored and others blase, and others in between. It's RASHOMON-like experience to read 'em, especially now that I've seen one of the shows and have my own set of newly-minted memories. >Again, band >whips out guitar cords from amps, rush offstage, and as I prepare for 'Dr. >Buck's Letter' or whatever, the PA comes on and generic guitar rock music >pumps out, apparently signaling the end of the gig. Somewhat bemused, I >decide it is the end of the gig for me You missed at least "Ghost in My House" and "I'm Going To Spain." >Outside, a spectacular lightning storm is flashing to the north. Drove right through this going back north up I-75 to our hotel. It was like going through a usually dry river bed at the bottom of a glass-and-steel canyon, and while we tried to negotiate our way up the dark highway, it seemed that a flash flood would be loosed at any moment. The lightning was indeed spectacular. P.J. Kane: >there are a ton of ICers in the ATL region! fascinating. for every other >band list i have been on (Orb, Cocteaus, TWP) i was the only ATL listie. >wierd. Well, I wouldn't count me as an Atlanta listmember -- it's a 4 hr 30 minute ride to most Atlanta venues from Nashville, and this was the first time I'd made the trip since seeing Roxy Music there in 2001. Might come see the New Pornographers on 8/28 at the Echo Lounge if there's no Nashville show. [about Paper Lions] >heck, in this town, at least they aren't a pseudo-country act. ick. i >swear, i am going to kill the next band i see with a pedal steel guitar.... Lots of anti-country sentiment swirling around the list these days. Not that I'd think a Wire list would be a hotbed of alt-country fans, but I'm feeling pretty alone in my appreciation of old-style hellbilly country, let alone its more modern practitioners. >< Temperature inside says "90-100 degrees F". >> > >don't forget to factor in the Heat Index: i would say that the humidity was >at 80%, which means it felt like 105 inside... > >at any rate, it was enough to set off my asthma, the resulting attack >thoroughly ruined the show for me. it's no fun to try and listen to a band >when you can barely breathe.... the lesson i have learned is this: don't >buy advance tickets. i don't want to be there at a sold out show anyway, so >if i show up and can't get in, it's probably for the best.... Melissa and I noted considerably less smoking than at most Nashville shows, even those with half the people. So there's a sorta bright side! :-) Anyway, awfully sorry for your physical discomfort -- it's tough enough for me to put up with a crowded room even without an ailment, so I hate that you had to face a double whammy. The Echo Lounge was also smaller than I imagined -- but it's not as big as the Exit/In here in Nashville, even counting the lounge/bar areas to the right of the club, even though the Atlanta MSA is about four times bigger than Nashville. > and i wish that they had brought merch with them. urgh. i had cash in my >pocket and a list (thoughtfully provided by Ian "#3" S.J.) of >recommendations.... but, alas, The Fall apparently did not want my >money..... I was hoping to get the "Janet vs. Johnny" single, but there was no Fall merch at all that I saw. Lots of Paper Lions stuff, but they didn't interest me. If I think of more, or if anyone has questions about any of this, I'll comment later... best, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:25:37 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 14/07/2003 10:25:29 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > The school instrument of choice in the UK of course was the descant > recorder* > - no sound is more terrifying than a class of infants playing three blind > Oh absolutely & totally agree.I had the choice (and do remember I am 43) of the aforementioned Descant Recorder & a Harmonica. I chose the Harmonica. Musically I was bereft of talent until I hit a drumkit at 14. No looking back. Chris NP. Mylo - Destroy Rock N Roll ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:26:49 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Fall-ing toward Atlanta That's a good recap of the Fall show, PJ, and it seems like we agree on several things. I agree with you 100% that I wish that The Fall had played at Variety Playhouse. Variety is my personal favorite venue in Atlanta, although I haven't been to many shows there (Mogwai, Yo La Tengo, The Connells, Bob Mould, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead). It's a great place to sit down and chill during a show, although one annoyance is the constant sound of beer bottles clanking into the big garbage cans when music is not being played at top loudness and intensity. A friend of mine gave me a CD-R bootleg of the same Mogwai show that I attended at Variety Playhouse in 2001 and the beer-bottle clanking can be heard prominently on the bootleg! By the way, my Fall collection just increased by 50%...lol. I stopped by Wax 'N' Facts on the way home from work and picked up This Nation's Saving Grace for nine dollars. This, my friends, is one excellent album from the couple of listens so far and it will sit proudly beside Witch Trials and Totally Wired. This will be the last Fall album that I buy for a while, as I will likely go from renting to a mortgage soon, but This Nation's Saving Grace will keep me busy for a long long time. Jason >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:35:35 GMT >From: P J Kane >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > >according to Alex, the booking guy, it was just at capacity -- 450 people. >he told me that at the previous night's show, the final Dismemberment Plan >tour, there were 500 people. but it was less crowded, because Plan fans >are skinny kids, while Fall fans are older pudge-pots! ha! > ><< Temperature inside says "90-100 degrees F". >> > >don't forget to factor in the Heat Index: i would say that the humidity >was at 80%, which means it felt like 105 inside... > >at any rate, it was enough to set off my asthma, the resulting attack >thoroughly ruined the show for me. it's no fun to try and listen to a band >when you can barely breathe.... the lesson i have learned is this: don't >buy advance tickets. i don't want to be there at a sold out show anyway, >so if i show up and can't get in, it's probably for the best.... > ><< Outside, a spectacular lightning storm is flashing to the north. >> > >this was a phenomenal storm -- the sky over downtown was lit up like >daytime.... very nice. > >Jason Rogers" : ><< I was also impressed with the opening band, a local group called Paper >Lions. Paper Lions reminded me of a Dischord label band and kept up the >intensity pretty well for an opener. >> > >that was prety consistent with shows i have seen by them. > ><< I did look at the band's CD at the merc. stand and noticed that their >record is on the Athens label, Kindercore, that hosts a few of my favorite >bands around here (Maserati, I Am The World Trade Center, Japancakes, The >Agenda, etc.). >> > >the CD is decent, but i think they come across better live. (they promo-ed >EvilSponge a few months back with the disc, although no one has gotten >around to reviewing it yet....) > ><< Yeah, my first Fall experience was decent enough to keep me intrigued by >the band and want to search out more material from them. Good stuff. >> > >this is my overall impression as well. > >okay, so my review: > >get there at 10:45, after a terribly boring birthday party for a work >colleague thrown by his intolerably dull wife. how boring was it: the >conversation for the first hour consisted of various people >complaining/explaining how TV's representation of The Legal System in >inaccurate. participants: her (business law), my college buddy John (real >estate law), and some guy named Eric (medical law). YAWN! > >so: i was in the mood for a beer and a good rock show when i got there. i >wandered in, and it was packed. found my friends and stood around >chatting. > >but it kept getting more and more packed. and twice people trying to >navigate through the crowd slammed into me and sloshed beer all over me.... > and i couldn't move. and it was so damned hot... > >so, my asthma freaked out. i went out to the men's room and stood hogging >the back stall for a while while i puffed ventolin.... when i was more or >less recovered i went and stood by the bar at the entrance to the upper >lounge. the AC was on in the upper lounge, and the heat in the lower area >created a sort of flow of cooler air. > >so i stood for about the first 20 - 30 minutes of The Fall's set sandwiched >between Shannon Wright (who i tried not to make eye contact with, because >one of the reviewers on my site keeps slamming her live shows), and an >insanely tall blonde Australian dude. > >after which my friends fled from the heat into the back lunge, and i went >back there to sit with them. we could hear okay back there, and i saw >about as much as i could see where i was at the bar (i.e., nothing!) > >anyway -- i liked what i heard. before this night i had heard: _I am >Kurious Oranj_, which someone made me a CD-R of, and a few random tracks on >samplers, etc. what i heard tonight was intriguing, and i wish that they >had brought merch with them. urgh. i had cash in my pocket and a list >(thoughtfully provided by Ian "#3" S.J.) of recommendations.... but, alas, >The Fall apparently did not want my money..... so, at around 1:20, i left. > i was impressed, but i think i missed the encores.... > >anyway -- overall i thought that the music was good. i wish that they had >played at a certain sit-down venue of the street in Lil 5, one with great >acoustics, air-conditioning all over, a balcony for the lazy among us, and >a earlier end-time. > >so, there you go. > >to all of you fellow metro ATL IC-ers: do you go to shows often? next >Saturday up the street from the Echo at The EARL local math rock band >Moreland Audio is having their final show (the drummer is moving to Cali). >i know Gary, one of the guitarists, so will be there. if anyone else is >planning to go, drop me a line and we can share a pint of Terrapin (yum) or >whatever beforehand. but please -- email me on Friday because i rarely >check email from home... > >PJK > >please don't hate me because i can't type..... >- --- >All the cool kids are doing it: >HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:40:47 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 14/07/2003 14:37:54 GMT Daylight Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > according to Alex, the booking guy, it was just at capacity -- 450 people. > he told me that at the previous night's show, the final Dismemberment Plan > tour, there were 500 people. but it was less crowded, because Plan fans are > skinny kids, while Fall fans are older pudge-pots! ha! > Never looked at gigs in that way, But how true - well where I am concerned ! Chris NB, Absolutely no disparaging sideways glances to any other ICers I have met. Honest. NP.Gary Numan - Dream Corrosion & Dark Light Promo CD's. (don't hate me but these are really good. (Gary still can't sing for his supper but overall still liked it). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:52:41 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs I've enjoyed this year In a message dated 14/07/2003 16:24:58 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > The song ends quietly with the message You > make everything I dread and everything I fear come true. A wonderful > song, brilliantly realized by a great singer. Agree totally.Great songstress AT Keith.It's a very jazzy & orchestral 2 CD's & what the kids would call deep without sounding too disparaging.It's too "closed" for me.But you know it's a serious piece of work & well worth grappling with. The trouble with today (and has it been any differant) is there is too much music & even with 90% of it dross - there is still too much for me to take in with my lifestyle. I need 124 hours in a day !! Chris NP Wendy & Lisa - Lolly Lolly Tell me you heard "Eroica" & didn't like it & I will show you the door! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:56:26 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs I've enjoyed this year In a message dated 14/07/2003 16:24:58 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > After hearing this you want to get the next plane to > California and find out what bar this woman hangs out in. > > Mate.What are you doing to me.I have got to hear this song before I die.And I hate Country. Really hate it.Dixie Chicks.& all. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:57:59 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - >or don't live. :-) > >later, > >Miles, >live from Nashville, TN > >p.s.: Fall gig was quite good in my estimation, and I hope to say more >about it later today. i completely understand honest...its just that The Fall have been going for so long... anyway, i have had the trouble with Guided By Voices...been a major fan for 12 years... still not seen them live once...and they HAVE played in Liverpool at least one time...to my knowledge... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:03:34 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 oh blimey, what HAVE i started (again...lol...)...ian.s.j. > > you'll be glad to hear that me and Mike have already kissed and made > > up...and please, no 'smutty' follow-up comment on that last sentence >from > > you...you 'naughty' Dutch person you... > >Keith: > > Now there's a challenge, Bart. One I know you'll fail ; ) > > >Well... it's strange... >I've just been reading about this pet-donkey called Mike... > >"Mike the donkey was brought to the unit in a seriously state, but is >recovering well now." ( http://wisa.iwarp.com/hhcu1.html ) > >Gad... and it all started so pure and innocently: >( http://www.presmariners.com/image2TN.JPG ) > >Brrt _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:06:11 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs I've enjoyed this year In a message dated 14/07/2003 16:24:58 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Well, thats taken a lot longer than planned so Ill stop there. Im > not even sure if it has served its purpose but there you go. If youre > still reading, thanks for getting this far. > > Another the Keith > Best review of a handful of songs I've heard for an age.Makes you want to track them down & listen to them.(Which is the point AT Keith ?) Low are definately on my hit list.Not heard a thing by them. Chris NP Radiohead - Drill EP (Yes I own a copy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:12:59 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta In a message dated 14/07/2003 19:11:57 GMT Daylight Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - > or don't live. :-) > > later, > > Miles, > live from Nashville, TN > > p.s.: Fall gig was quite good in my estimation, and I hope to say more about > it later today. > Sounds like Robert Lynn's excuse for not seeing Wire !!! Chris (Dead man walking) - in a cemetary -Wire NP Sidestepper _In Beats We Trust ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:19:20 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the Fall in Atlanta >This sounds like a different show than the one I went to. "Sparta FC," though new, was magnificent and got a great, almost gasping reaction from the area of the crowd in which I was situated. "Big New Prinz" was especially recognized and *did* have the mic passing, and I thought was a genuine "tear the roof off" experience. Of course, reading down the page at the Fall News site, every show seems to have received very disparate reviews, with some being floored and others blase, and others in between. It's RASHOMON-like experience to read 'em, especially now that I've seen one of the shows and have my own set of newly-minted memories. true enough. i was particularly taken aback a few minutes ago to see an atlanta review on the fallnews site where big new prinz is dismissed as having "seemed to last forever, dispassionate and uncompelling", & damo suzuki as "just wandering noodling." perhaps some people are spoiled, or i'm just too enthusiastic (certainly not the first thing people who know me would think very likely). > >[about Paper Lions] >>heck, in this town, at least they aren't a pseudo-country act. ick. i >>swear, i am going to kill the next band i see with a pedal steel guitar.... > >Lots of anti-country sentiment swirling around the list these days. Not that I'd think a Wire list would be a hotbed of alt-country fans, but I'm feeling pretty alone in my appreciation of old-style hellbilly country, let alone its more modern practitioners. nope -- there are at least 2 of us. lots of old (pre-'75 or thereabouts) country makes my stereo (undoubtedly i've mentioned before, as it happens, that i live about 3 miles from hank williams' grave), & a fair amount of newer stuff (trailer bride, riptones ... actually, bloodshot is probably the one label on earth other than ltm that i make a conscious effort to collect) as well. was quite impressed by the 2 new-album drive-by truckers tracks i heard on an atlanta community station while motoring back after the show ... >I was hoping to get the "Janet vs. Johnny" single, but there was no Fall merch at all that I saw. Lots of Paper Lions stuff, but they didn't interest me. picked up a copy via mail order awhile back & must say j vs j does little for me, though i quite like susan vs youth club. then again, the universally beloved dr buck's letter has never made much of a dent in my head, either ... i'll take cyber insekt & 2 librans instead as highlights from the unutterable. dan, awaiting the release of mes sings the songs of r dean taylor any day now ... how long till we're serenaded with indiana wants me? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:20:01 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] country or anti...??? Miles... >Lots of anti-country sentiment swirling around the list these days. Not >that I'd think a Wire list would be a hotbed of alt-country fans, but I'm >feeling pretty alone in my appreciation of old-style hellbilly country, let >alone its more modern practitioners. feel alone no longer...i personally love Dock Boggs and The Stanley Brothers...and then Smog, Palace/Will/Bonnie...and i still need/want the last two Johnny Cash LP's...!!! (^_^) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:22:43 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >In a message dated 14/07/2003 19:11:57 GMT Daylight Time, >wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > > >> Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - >> or don't live. :-) >> except, of course, that nashville undoubtedly has more decent shows (albeit not of the level of wire or the fall) on even a slow night than montgomery does in a *decade*, i swear to god ... dan, unable to stop poor-mouthing -- probably an arkansas thing (listening in ...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:09:37 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... windows media player i think... herecy for us mac-users i know, but for these kind of things i got one the other month. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/mac71.aspx bart > damn. it won't play for me :o( what format is it? > -paul c.d. >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:15:47PM +0200, Jan J Noorda wrote: >>> It is not Clonehead but Klonehertz >>> >>> It is available http://www.puregroove.co.uk/atoz.asp?Genre=5&Alpha=K >>> Search under the letter K under the pull down menu Garage and then >>> Klonehertz down under this page >>> You can still listen a piece ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #208 *******************************