From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #207 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["ian s jackson" ] [idealcopy] Jodie Foster's Army [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ...and as for the ocarina...most famous use of...??? probably The Troggs' 'Wild Thing'...??? probably... ian.s.j. >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:29:34 +0100 > >i still have my melodica...bought under the influence of the Go4's 'It's >Her Factory'... >and Factory band New Order's 'Movement'...you've heard of them >...right...??? > >but yeah, melodica favoured by the reggae side of things as well, yeah... > >ian.s.j. > >>From: "dan bailey" >>To: "ideal copy" >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:41:52 -0500 >> >> >Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. >> > >> >All I can remember is that one is favored by reggae guys and the other >>by >> >third grade music teachers. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:50:33 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >oh, well, back to trying to muster 1,000 words on the p.r. struggles of a >philadelphia grocery chain ... why metal box seems appropriate >accompaniment, i dunno, but that's what's on the bedroom ghetto blaster >right now. > >dan probably i should go pull out manscape. children of groceries would probably be rather apposite. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:51:47 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta so *that's* what the guy is playing ... been wondering that, off & on (usually when hearing the song, of course), for decades ... dan >...and as for the ocarina...most famous use of...??? > >probably The Troggs' 'Wild Thing'...??? probably... > >ian.s.j. > > >>From: "ian s jackson" >>To: idealcopy@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:29:34 +0100 >> >>i still have my melodica...bought under the influence of the Go4's 'It's >>Her Factory'... >>and Factory band New Order's 'Movement'...you've heard of them >>...right...??? >> >>but yeah, melodica favoured by the reggae side of things as well, yeah... >> >>ian.s.j. >> >>>From: "dan bailey" >>>To: "ideal copy" >>>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:41:52 -0500 >>> >>> >Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. >>> > >>> >All I can remember is that one is favored by reggae guys and the other >>>by >>> >third grade music teachers. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger >>http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:53:57 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 well spotted (smart arse...) Bart...even though it may have been totally subconsciously...in fact, scrub the word 'may' from that last sentence...!!! ;-P you'll be glad to hear that me and Mike have already kissed and made up...and please, no 'smutty' follow-up comment on that last sentence from you...you 'naughty' Dutch person you... ian.s.j. >Hahaha, so that's how you're dealing with the competition Ian? ;-P > >Brrt > > > > well...thanks for the contribution to the site Mike...!!! ppfffttt.... >;0) > > >> I'm selling "He Said-Take Care" and both "He Said Omala", plus "Pre-He" >on > >> Amazon.com. Happy shopping! > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:55:28 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] RE: HALF TERM LISTS... You cannot be serious, another the K... this hapless fool played on the main stage at the Paradiso before Wire... terrible, shockingly awful, cringe-making precious, bed-sit wank-folk of the worst order ...you got it, I didn't much like him Scottish or not...probably from Edinburgh spells his name like a poof... A LPs Farewell Sorrow - Alasdair Roberts ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Jon King had a red one which I think is in a lower register. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:24:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > >>...and as for the ocarina...most famous use of...??? > >p> robably The Troggs' 'Wild Thing'...??? probably...<< > The Clangers? The school instrument of choice in the UK of course was the descant recorder* - - no sound is more terrifying than a class of infants playing three blind mice on the massed recorders, apart possibly from a class of 3-year-old chinese kids playing the violin. Mark * Wire link - recorder used by Colin Newman on his contribution to the 4-track ep with 154. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:25:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: HALF TERM LISTS... >>spells his name like a poof...<< Right on! Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:46:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 > and please, no 'smutty' follow-up comment on that last sentence from > you...you 'naughty' Dutch person you... Now there's a challenge, Bart. One I know you'll fail ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:48:14 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:24:27AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > - no sound is more terrifying than a class of infants playing three > blind mice on the massed recorders, apart possibly from a class of > 3-year-old chinese kids playing the violin. I'll call that, and raise you: A class of seven-year-olds told by a dangerously new-agey music teacher to try and reproduce the sound of bombs falling, complete with very free-jazz violin scrapes[1] by yours truly. Jimi Hendrix, and his star-spangled banner, had nothing on Primary 4A. - - Andrew [1] I can play the violin, although not well. - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:02:26 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #206 >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:50:51 -0400 >From: Version >Subject: [idealcopy] Fall in Atlanta-A Review > >3. They finish their set just after 11, the Fall wait just about an hour to >take the stage. If the club (Atlanta's Echo Lounge) isn't filled beyond >capacity, then its certainly filled TO capacity. Sign outside says >"Tonight's Show is sold out-No Exceptions". Temperature inside says >"90-100 >degrees F". I had spent the interim outside buying bottled water, possibly >one of the best investments I made all night. Due to the >shoulder-to-shoulder situation, it was inconvenient to roam and look for >fellow listees...besides, Jason had advised me he would be wearing shorts >(smart man), but even surreptitiously scanning all likely candidates for >shorts was...not feasible. I wore khakis (did I say that I was going to wear shorts?) and a long-sleeve green shirt. The khakis were comfortable, but the long sleeve shirt was a bit stuffy around the start of the show. It certainly took The Fall long enough to take the stage and the temperature was quite high in such a crowded area. I realized that it was probably about 10 degrees cooler over by the wall on the left side of the venue, so that's where I stayed throughout the night...about twenty-thirty feet from the stage by the wall. If I had not met Miles (I recognized the Stax shirt) and Dan before the Fall set, I would have never found them, as the place was too crowded to really see anyone. Echo Lounge always amazes me with its sold out shows. I always have the same bewilderment: Are there this many Wire fans in Atlanta? Are there this many Chameleons fans in Atlanta? etc. etc. For each one of the shows that I've been to at that venue this year, however, the shows have always been sold out and packed shoulder to shoulder with a minimum of comfort. The Luna concert at Echo Lounge a few months ago did have the best female/male ratio of all of the shows that I've seen there, so that was cool and I didn't complain as much that night. > >Keyboardist is heard about 1/4 of the time in ultra-simple descending note >runs, playing her casio and offering the occasional backing chant or not >very encouraging clapping to the beat. Not to bring this to the lowest denominator so soon, but the keyboardist looked pretty cute from the distance where I was standing. I would have gotten a better look if I had been closer to the stage, of course, but she looked pretty cute from where I was. Jason Now Playing: Cabaret Voltaire - Radiation: BBC Recordings _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:35:35 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta two overall comments: 1. i really should chekc my email on weekends. 2. there are a ton of ICers in the ATL region! fascinating. for every other band list i have been on (Orb, Cocteaus, TWP) i was the only ATL listie. wierd. okay, a few specific reply-type comments: "dan bailey" > do you live in Auburn? i am there every few months.... boring place really. Version : << Paper Lions (remnants of earlier Atlanta bands) >> specifically Some Soviet Station, who i saw once and liked much. however -- they were pretty similar in sound to P.L. << what do paper lions really want to say on their own? Props for energy and playing ability, points off for originality and not once did they (or I) achieve liftoff... >> i think they are a decent enough band. heck, in this town, at least they aren't a pseudo-country act. ick. i swear, i am going to kill the next band i see with a pedal steel guitar.... anyway, i can see your point. i have always thought they were very Fugazi-derived, but in a good way. that is, they are fun in concert, if not too challenging. BTW -- anyone know what song they ended with? it was a cover, i am sure of it. i recognized the bass riff, and i kinda knew the half-heard chorus. something by Social Distortion maybe? or the Buzzcocks? something old and punk-y like that.... the chorus was "something something make noise something something la la la" -- in a very vague sort of way.... << If the club (Atlanta's Echo Lounge) isn't filled beyond capacity, then its certainly filled TO capacity. >> according to Alex, the booking guy, it was just at capacity -- 450 people. he told me that at the previous night's show, the final Dismemberment Plan tour, there were 500 people. but it was less crowded, because Plan fans are skinny kids, while Fall fans are older pudge-pots! ha! << Temperature inside says "90-100 degrees F". >> don't forget to factor in the Heat Index: i would say that the humidity was at 80%, which means it felt like 105 inside... at any rate, it was enough to set off my asthma, the resulting attack thoroughly ruined the show for me. it's no fun to try and listen to a band when you can barely breathe.... the lesson i have learned is this: don't buy advance tickets. i don't want to be there at a sold out show anyway, so if i show up and can't get in, it's probably for the best.... << Outside, a spectacular lightning storm is flashing to the north. >> this was a phenomenal storm -- the sky over downtown was lit up like daytime.... very nice. Jason Rogers" : << I was also impressed with the opening band, a local group called Paper Lions. Paper Lions reminded me of a Dischord label band and kept up the intensity pretty well for an opener. >> that was prety consistent with shows i have seen by them. << I did look at the band's CD at the merc. stand and noticed that their record is on the Athens label, Kindercore, that hosts a few of my favorite bands around here (Maserati, I Am The World Trade Center, Japancakes, The Agenda, etc.). >> the CD is decent, but i think they come across better live. (they promo-ed EvilSponge a few months back with the disc, although no one has gotten around to reviewing it yet....) << Yeah, my first Fall experience was decent enough to keep me intrigued by the band and want to search out more material from them. Good stuff. >> this is my overall impression as well. okay, so my review: get there at 10:45, after a terribly boring birthday party for a work colleague thrown by his intolerably dull wife. how boring was it: the conversation for the first hour consisted of various people complaining/explaining how TV's representation of The Legal System in inaccurate. participants: her (business law), my college buddy John (real estate law), and some guy named Eric (medical law). YAWN! so: i was in the mood for a beer and a good rock show when i got there. i wandered in, and it was packed. found my friends and stood around chatting. but it kept getting more and more packed. and twice people trying to navigate through the crowd slammed into me and sloshed beer all over me.... and i couldn't move. and it was so damned hot... so, my asthma freaked out. i went out to the men's room and stood hogging the back stall for a while while i puffed ventolin.... when i was more or less recovered i went and stood by the bar at the entrance to the upper lounge. the AC was on in the upper lounge, and the heat in the lower area created a sort of flow of cooler air. so i stood for about the first 20 - 30 minutes of The Fall's set sandwiched between Shannon Wright (who i tried not to make eye contact with, because one of the reviewers on my site keeps slamming her live shows), and an insanely tall blonde Australian dude. after which my friends fled from the heat into the back lunge, and i went back there to sit with them. we could hear okay back there, and i saw about as much as i could see where i was at the bar (i.e., nothing!) anyway -- i liked what i heard. before this night i had heard: _I am Kurious Oranj_, which someone made me a CD-R of, and a few random tracks on samplers, etc. what i heard tonight was intriguing, and i wish that they had brought merch with them. urgh. i had cash in my pocket and a list (thoughtfully provided by Ian "#3" S.J.) of recommendations.... but, alas, The Fall apparently did not want my money..... so, at around 1:20, i left. i was impressed, but i think i missed the encores.... anyway -- overall i thought that the music was good. i wish that they had played at a certain sit-down venue of the street in Lil 5, one with great acoustics, air-conditioning all over, a balcony for the lazy among us, and a earlier end-time. so, there you go. to all of you fellow metro ATL IC-ers: do you go to shows often? next Saturday up the street from the Echo at The EARL local math rock band Moreland Audio is having their final show (the drummer is moving to Cali). i know Gary, one of the guitarists, so will be there. if anyone else is planning to go, drop me a line and we can share a pint of Terrapin (yum) or whatever beforehand. but please -- email me on Friday because i rarely check email from home... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:38:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 >> Hahaha, so that's how you're dealing with the competition Ian? ;-P Ian: > well spotted (smart arse...) Bart...even though it may have been totally > subconsciously...in fact, scrub the word 'may' from that last sentence...!!! > ;-P > you'll be glad to hear that me and Mike have already kissed and made > up...and please, no 'smutty' follow-up comment on that last sentence from > you...you 'naughty' Dutch person you... Keith: > Now there's a challenge, Bart. One I know you'll fail ; ) Well... it's strange... I've just been reading about this pet-donkey called Mike... "Mike the donkey was brought to the unit in a seriously state, but is recovering well now." ( http://wisa.iwarp.com/hhcu1.html ) Gad... and it all started so pure and innocently: ( http://www.presmariners.com/image2TN.JPG ) Brrt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:08:58 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Songs I've enjoyed this year I though Id mention some specific songs Ive enjoyed this year in lieu of a best albums so far list, as Im still a long way from making my mind up about a lot of this years albums. In fact these songs come from the last year or two rather than this one as theyre from albums Ive been catching up on. I suspect that some of these wont float the boat of a number of listers, but please move on if they dont look interesting. Joni Mitchell The Sire of Sorrow (Jobs Sad Song) [from Travelogue] Travelogue is a double CD set released last year to almost universal panning. Its apparently Jonis farewell as shes pissed off with the industry and shes chosen to go with a bunch of old songs re-scored for orchestra. I got it out the library and I cant say that I get on with a lot of it. Im a mid-period Joni fan The Hissing of Summer Lawns is Top Three Albums of All Time for me and I like Hejira and some of Don Juan a good deal but I dont particularly care one way of another for the earlier or later work, not all of which Ive heard. And most of the stuff on Travelogue is from these periods (Id like to think she realized she couldnt improve on the Hissing songs). The Sire of Sorrow is from Turbulent Indigo, which Ive heard but I cant say I recall at all. Lyrically the song is a couched as a dialogue between Job and God. Im not sure how much of the lyrical content is from the Bible (most I suspect) and how much Jonis own doing. Its certainly an angry song you let the wicked prosper, you let their children frisk like deer, And my loves are dead or dying, or they don't come near as befits its provenance. And musically its stunning. The Mitchell voice has lost none of its power mixed close in the production its clear as a bell, great range and completely confident of her interpretation. And the orchestration is superb. The song starts quietly with voice and harp let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness. Instruments are introduced slowly and then a quiet beat. Then, unexpectedly, a male voice choir comes in as a commentator on the Job complaints and continues throughout the song to interpolate in a manner which I suspect many would find comic, but which I think works perfectly. The orchestra starts to limber up, underlining the song with bursts (the moment during Why do you crucify the saints? is stunning) and then dropping back into incidental backing. The song ends quietly with the message You make everything I dread and everything I fear come true. A wonderful song, brilliantly realized by a great singer. The only other song on the album which comes close is Chinese Cafi / Unchained Melody (originally from Wild Things Run Fast) which somehow manages to weave that old chestnut into the fabric of a very moving song about growing old (a beautiful orchestral refrain underpinning the song). Lucinda Williams I Envy the Wind [from Essence ] I dont like Country. God, no. So naturally I ignored Essence when it came out a few years back, especially because Id heard Car Wheels on a Gravel Road, Lucinda Williams previous album, and not thought much of it. And then came this years media blitz (at least in my version of the media) with the release of the new album and I therefore ended up borrowing Essence off the bloke who sits opposite me at work. And its a great record. And as Im a science fiction reader who hates it when people enjoy an SF book and then claim its not SF, Im not going to pretend its not a country album. It is its about relationships going wrong in America and has an undeniable country sound. But I Envy the Wind stands apart from the rest of the record because it is simply extraordinary. It is the single most erotic song I have ever heard. It starts with a simple acoustic guitar backing and then the Williams voice comes in. For those who have never heard her, she has a singular voice, very southern states in her diction, recorded (again) very high in the mix and with a way of slurring which can be irritating on some songs. But she doesnt slur too much on this one. Instead the voice is (presumably) treated with a tremolo not dissimilar to Michael Jackson on Shes out of my Life. But unlike that song the tremolo is not used to evoke sadness; its used to evoke passion. In the first verse Williams sets out her stall as she envies the Wind which does various sensual things to her lover (who is the listener the song is addressed to You). This attracts the attention sufficiently but in the next verse, which follows without a break, things get steamier she envies the rain that falls on your face, hurts your eyelashes, which dampens your skin, and touches your tongue, soaks through your shirt, drips down your back, I envy the rain. The ache in the word eyelashes is almost palpable. By this time some slide guitar has slipped in but Im past noticing. In the last verse she envies the sun, which does all sorts of warming of the body, making you sweat. The effect is so intimate that its almost indecent. After hearing this you want to get the next plane to California and find out what bar this woman hangs out in. Flotation Toy Warning Losing Carolina; for Drusky [ from I Remember Trees e.p.] Ive written here before about enjoying FTW live and this song was the most memorable of the evening (and one of the great live moments of the year to date) and it works just as well on record. It appears to be two songs joined together and starts with a recorded voice from the Golden Era of broadcasting saying There was plenty of room for experiment which is a manifesto statement if ever Ive heard one. It then eases in slowly, almost unappealingly, with vocalist Paul Carter singing almost flatly to a sullen drum beat and drone that he has the Captain on the line wants to know who made it through this time. A guitar picks up and develops a theme and Carter expands his vocal range and the lyrics become more intriguing and half-heard although they took his men away he wants the paper and the empty box to stay. Then the guitar opens up into a rather beautiful echo sound, the drums pick up, other instruments join in and one is sucked in. A repeat of some early lyrics at higher volume and this time the guitar is joined by a high ethereal sound and almost Hawkwind (Del Dettmar) type swooshing from some weird instrument and melds into the bridge between the songs, a simple piano melody, which is then unexpectedly joined by a voice singing in an operatic style unintelligibly. Without having seen them live this sounds like another historical recording, but its not its Carter standing back from the mike and giving it some welly. Its a magical moment and almost impossible not to join in with (releasing my inner Pavarotti). Hes joined after a while by a more recently recorded broadcast about a man called Drusky who called God as a defendant in a civil case against his employers. He wanted God to return his youth and grant him the guitar-playing skills of famous guitarists, along with resurrecting his mother and his pet pigeon. If God failed to appear in court, federal rules of civil procedure said he must lose by default [this is a true story at least its on the Internet]. Then, even more bizarrely, the guitar strikes up a Hawaiian sound and one is swept away to a tropical paradise. And there it ends. What all this means is anyones guess to confuse matters further Drusky is appropriated on the band website as a fake historical figure. But somehow it all comes together in a wonderful way and is endlessly explorable. I suspect Im now wedded to FTW for the duration. James Yorkston and the Athletes St Patrick [ from Moving Up Country ] I first heard this tucked away at the end of the first side of the Rough Trade Counter Culture 2002 round-up. I knew RT liked him and thought for some reason Yorkston was an alt-country figure, but hes from Scotland. After a few plays through the song lodged itself in my head and I bought the album as a result. Nothing else on the album matches it though. Its a very gentle acoustic song led by a guitar but augmented by all sorts of ancillary instruments mandolin, accordion, Hammond organ, violins and whistle. Yorkstons vocals remind me a little of Roy Harper, theres Nick Drake in there too but the lyrics remind me of Hammill when hes at his simplest. Its a lost-love song I awoke with a start and a look at the phone, I swear I would have called you if Id been sure you were aloneShould I find a surrogate to keep the winters warm, Blame her for my former love and blunt her of her charms?. Its the arrangement that really appeals to me, though, beautifully put together with a melancholy melody and with an instrumental bridge in the middle that just makes one wish I was at the recording, at a farmhouse in Scotland. Low Fearless [ from the Canada single ] Ive learned to love Low this year, thanks in no small part to listees enthusiasm, and although I really like their self-penned work it is this Pink Floyd cover that really blew me away. I suspect this is due partly to the fact that Id completely forgotten the song not having heard Meddle for years its not in my collection. I first heard Lows version on their Peel session but fortunately they then released it on the B side of Canada. Its a very faithful rendition, omitting understandably only the Liverpool football fans chorus of Youll never walk alone which ends the Floyd version, which has been replaced by a subtle keyboard sound mixed lowdown. A very simple ascending acoustic guitar melody underpins the song, beautifully played by the band. The singing often by both Alan Sparhawk and Mimi Parker in chorus is also beautifully rendered with the words being very clearly annunciated. This precise I dunno cleanliness? is one of the things I like most about Low. Theyre a very tidy band in some ways, nothing out of place, but that doesnt stop them making noise when they want, which is all the more powerful in the context. The precision of the singing also made me concentrate on the lyrics something I never recall doing for this song in its Floyd guise - and made me realize what an odd song this is and by extension what an odd person Roger Waters is. The first of the two verses on casual listen conjured up a positive, bucolic feel for me but theres a censorious tone behind them You say the hills too steep to climb, climbing, you say youd like to see me try, climbing, you pick the place and Ill choose the time, and Ill climb that hill in my own way, just wait a while for the right day, and as I rise above the tree line in the clouds I look down hearing the sound of all the things you said today. Its all very I told you so and clearly metaphorical. The second verse though is just barmy Fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd, smiling, merciless the magistrate turns round, frowning, then whos the fool who wears the crown, no doubt in your own way, and every day is the right day, and as you rise above the fearlines in his brow you look down at the faces in the crowd. What the hell does that mean? It just leaves a bad taste the use of idiot and fool suggests that Waters is having a go at someone but not too coherently and the tone is one of petulance. But its sufficiently vague not to put me off repeated listenings unlike, say, The Wall which is much more specific in its whinging and therefore much more unpalatable. And Low do this song more than justice, saving it from the clammy hands of its lyricist and giving it a beauty its never had before. Well, thats taken a lot longer than planned so Ill stop there. Im not even sure if it has served its purpose but there you go. If youre still reading, thanks for getting this far. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:43:21 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Jodie Foster's Army On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 05:52 AM, Keith Astbury wrote: >> I hope to see all the heads of this coup-installed administration >> paraded down Main Street on sticks. >> -but that's just me, being polite. >> Ed > > Shit. Don't let them make you angry. You're a Taxi Driver waiting to > go off! [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 138611_thumb.jpg] You talkin to me? Just kidding, Keith. I'm just waxing poetic. I do a lot of political research and it does weigh heavily at times, but I do stop to smell the flowers often enough. With humour, sarcasm, and many of life's pleasantries, I get through each day without actually killing anyone. I've never been that much of a Jodie Foster fan, though I did see Jodie Foster's Army play live in a downtown park. I'd be more concerned if ......"He was a quiet man. Always kept to himself..." Somewhere between a quiet man and a Taxi Driver, but nowhere near either one. Peace, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:52:53 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Jodie Foster's Army addendum: http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/11/138611.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:21:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 > Keith: > > Now there's a challenge, Bart. One I know you'll fail ; ) > > > Well... it's strange... > I've just been reading about this pet-donkey called Mike... See. I knew it! > "Mike the donkey was brought to the unit in a seriously state, but is > recovering well now." ( http://wisa.iwarp.com/hhcu1.html ) Being told you're built like a donkey is a serious compliment over here. Mike should be extremely flattered! > > Gad... and it all started so pure and innocently: > ( http://www.presmariners.com/image2TN.JPG ) Is that legal ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:16:20 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta At 01:43 AM 7/13/2003 +0100, ian s jackson wrote: >>First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll report >>about the gig tomorrow. >> >>later, >> >>Miles > >did i read that right...?? 'first Fall gig'...??? ;-) dear god, Miles...!!! For the benefit of our U.K. contingent, I'll offer up the following scenario. Imagine, momentarily, that the Fall is not from Manchester, but is the product of a crazed idiosyncratic genius from Birmingham, Alabama. This band tours the U.K. and Western Europe once every three or four years, which immediately places a lot of limitations on how often it's financially or geographically possible to even have a shot at seeing them. When they do come to Europe, their typical tour schedule is: * Helsinki * Minsk * Bucharest * Vienna * Munich * Madrid * Lisbon (This pattern is typical of acts touring from the U.S., who go only to these stops and largely ignore a London audience they regard as provincial.) Munich is the closest gig to you on the typical tour itinerary. On every third tour, they play a more extensive set of dates, but the closest one to you is always Edinburgh. And there's not train service to Edinburgh, you'll have to drive. Maybe the every-six-years-in-Edinburgh show is on a weekday. You only have ten vacation days a year, and most of them have to be split between relaxing with your spouse/s.o. and visiting your far-off relatives in the Orkneys on the holidays, which makes those two days off to drive to and from Edinburgh on Wednesday and Thursday to see the Fall a really tough thing to justify. Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - or don't live. :-) later, Miles, live from Nashville, TN p.s.: Fall gig was quite good in my estimation, and I hope to say more about it later today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:49:50 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta << Imagine, momentarily, that the Fall is not from Manchester, but is the product of a crazed idiosyncratic genius from Birmingham, Alabama. >> what, you mean like Acceleradeck/My Favorite Horse/whatever he is calling himself these days? (sorry -- can't think of any other artists from B'ham, ALA.) please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fall-ing-Miles response was...... ........one of the best I've seen,problem is most Euro's just don't realise how big the u.s of a really is...........The nearest Wire gig to here was Atlanta,on a weekday......sure,just drive down after work,drive back for work the next day if yer lucky.NOT.Ari. SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:01:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... Don't think this has been mentioned before... Heard a record on Steve Lamacq just before that I think will be of interest. A version of Three Girl Rhumba by Clonehead (?) that started off as a pretty basic (sampled) run thru, but then got a bit more noodly/fiddly. I've just googled Clonehead but with no joy. I'd certainly like to hear it again though. Keith NP YYY - fever to tell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:17:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > Now you U.K. listfolk might understand better how Dan Bailey and I live - or don't live. :-) I know where you're coming for here, Miles, though our London readers are the last ones you should use to make the point! Cos whilst this is obviously just a small island in comparison, we have the same problems here, except that some bands just play London, which is a 3 and half hr / 4 hr drive (though I've made a number of trips that have taken an hour or two on top of that). Wire are especially guilty of this. I don't expect them to play the local British Legion, but Liverpool (particularly as it's now a 'city of culture'!!!), Manchester or even Birmingham would be nice. Keith NP Radiohead - There There CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:15:47 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Think of a number, divide it by two... It is not Clonehead but Klonehertz It is available http://www.puregroove.co.uk/atoz.asp?Genre=5&Alpha=K Search under the letter K under the pull down menu Garage and then Klonehertz down under this page You can still listen a piece > Don't think this has been mentioned before... > > Heard a record on Steve Lamacq just before that I think will be of interest. A > version of Three Girl Rhumba by Clonehead (?) that started off as a pretty > basic (sampled) run thru, but then got a bit more noodly/fiddly. I've just > googled Clonehead but with no joy. I'd certainly like to hear it again > though. > > Keith > > NP YYY - fever to tell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:26:48 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] mule variations >> Well... it's strange... >> I've just been reading about this pet-donkey called Mike... > See. I knew it! Happy to oblige Keith... More great ass: http://www.geocities.com/muleguru/tails.html >> "Mike the donkey was brought to the unit in a seriously state, but is >> recovering well now." ( http://wisa.iwarp.com/hhcu1.html ) > Being told you're built like a donkey is a serious compliment over here. > Mike should be extremely flattered! So that's what Kathleen Brennan meant when she said Tom Waits resembled a mule! >> ( http://www.presmariners.com/image2TN.JPG ) > Is that legal ; ) Hmmm, isn't it Welsh? ;-) Bart (singing Hob-y-deri-Dando...) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #207 *******************************