From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #206 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall in Atlanta-A Review ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Rooney (UK) 'The Best Of...' ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll report >>about the gig tomorrow. >> >>later, >> >>Miles > >did i read that right...?? 'first Fall gig'...??? ;-) dear god, Miles...!!! > >ian.s.j. same here, actually. just stumbled in (nice detour on the interstate outside auburn) & am about to expire, but must note that the gig was a good one indeed. mes' (he's looking sort of like a far more dissolute johnny cash these days, i'd say) wanderings offstage were short in duration, his fiddling with others' equipment was minimal, the band was quite hot (did someone here -- or was it on the fallnews site? -- compare them to a mere bar band? they're sure as hell head & shoulders above the bar bands i'm all too familiar with). fairly typical set, i suppose, though we didn't get dr buck's letter, bourgeois town, touch sensitive, way round, last commands of xyarlothotep or mountain energei (afaik, anyway). then again, i'm not sure how many (if any) of the other performances included my ex-girlfriend's kids, not to mention an encore of ghost in my house, followed by (after 10-plus minutes of crowd exhortion) another encore of i'm going to spain, featuring mes backed only by drums. nice to meet miles & jason. three full heads of hair, for those keeping note. none of us exactly scrawny, either. would've loved to have had the rogers sisters as openers, but locals paper lions (from athens) were pretty decent, i thought. without ransacking my record collection or memory, i was sort of reminded of a more propulsive lp-era middle class or maybe breaking circus. oddly enough, one of their songs mid-set was *already* reminding me of one of the gang of 4's less jarring early songs when the lead singer started playing whatever the harmonica-esque instrument is that's heard on it's her factory ... anyway, off to dreamland. maybe i'll be able to discover what song i was dismayed during last night's slumber to discover wasn't on any of my 3 passage lp's ... obviously my subconscious, paying my bank account no heed, is demanding that i buy the ltm reissues. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:43:46 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta Dan...yours too...???!!! jesus... anyway, thank you very much for all that, sounded like a good one and the Johnny Cash comparison is spot on, i think... and btw...it's a melodica...(^_^) ian.s.j. >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:36:21 -0500 > > >>First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll >report > >>about the gig tomorrow. > >> > >>later, > >> > >>Miles > > > >did i read that right...?? 'first Fall gig'...??? ;-) dear god, >Miles...!!! > > > >ian.s.j. > >same here, actually. just stumbled in (nice detour on the interstate >outside >auburn) & am about to expire, but must note that the gig was a good one >indeed. mes' (he's looking sort of like a far more dissolute johnny cash >these days, i'd say) wanderings offstage were short in duration, his >fiddling with others' equipment was minimal, the band was quite hot (did >someone here -- or was it on the fallnews site? -- compare them to a mere >bar band? they're sure as hell head & shoulders above the bar bands i'm all >too familiar with). > >fairly typical set, i suppose, though we didn't get dr buck's letter, >bourgeois town, touch sensitive, way round, last commands of xyarlothotep >or >mountain energei (afaik, anyway). then again, i'm not sure how many (if >any) >of the other performances included my ex-girlfriend's kids, not to mention >an encore of ghost in my house, followed by (after 10-plus minutes of crowd >exhortion) another encore of i'm going to spain, featuring mes backed only >by drums. > >nice to meet miles & jason. three full heads of hair, for those keeping >note. none of us exactly scrawny, either. > >would've loved to have had the rogers sisters as openers, but locals paper >lions (from athens) were pretty decent, i thought. without ransacking my >record collection or memory, i was sort of reminded of a more propulsive >lp-era middle class or maybe breaking circus. oddly enough, one of their >songs mid-set was *already* reminding me of one of the gang of 4's less >jarring early songs when the lead singer started playing whatever the >harmonica-esque instrument is that's heard on it's her factory ... > >anyway, off to dreamland. maybe i'll be able to discover what song i was >dismayed during last night's slumber to discover wasn't on any of my 3 >passage lp's ... obviously my subconscious, paying my bank account no heed, >is demanding that i buy the ltm reissues. > >dan _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 06:21:01 -0400 From: "Mike Edwards" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 I'm selling "He Said-Take Care" and both "He Said Omala", plus "Pre-He" on Amazon.com. Happy shopping! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:03:11 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 well...thanks for the contribution to the site Mike...!!! ppfffttt.... ;0) >From: "Mike Edwards" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 06:21:01 -0400 > >I'm selling "He Said-Take Care" and both "He Said Omala", plus "Pre-He" on >Amazon.com. Happy shopping! >Mike _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:10:09 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > oddly enough, one of their > songs mid-set was *already* reminding me of one of the gang of 4's less > jarring early songs when the lead singer started playing whatever the > harmonica-esque instrument is that's heard on it's her factory Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. All I can remember is that one is favored by reggae guys and the other by third grade music teachers. bille - -_-_-_-_-_-_-_ np brandx - timelines disc one (its a wanky weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:21:12 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 lurk away Mike...i was only half serious...!!! love lurkers...saw them at least 3 or 4 times early on... ;-) ian.s.j. >From: "Mike Edwards" >To: "ian s jackson" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:37:52 -0400 > >I'm a lurker. Get over it. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ian s jackson" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:03 AM >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 > > > > well...thanks for the contribution to the site Mike...!!! ppfffttt.... >;0) > > > > > > >From: "Mike Edwards" > > >To: > > >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 > > >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 06:21:01 -0400 > > > > > >I'm selling "He Said-Take Care" and both "He Said Omala", plus "Pre-He" >on > > >Amazon.com. Happy shopping! > > >Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:11:40 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Dan...yours too...???!!! jesus... yeah ... i can't speak for miles, but for those of us stuck in the southern u.s. (i've never lived farther north than little rock), shows by the more legendary acts are few & far between. if i weren't within driving distance of atlanta these days, i wouldn't have seen wire last sept, mission of burma during the winter, the fall last night, etc, unless i was able to drive to dallas (350 or so miles away from little rock). memphis (2 hours from lr) may be the birthplace of rock'n'roll & all sorts of other music, but that's not nearly enough to lure the likes of the foregoing. oh, well ... we have our own special qualities. most of them, of course, are frowned upon by modern society. > >anyway, thank you very much for all that, sounded like a good one and the >Johnny Cash comparison is spot on, i think... > >and btw...it's a melodica...(^_^) thanks for that. my first thought was a harmonium, which i knew was wrong. dan, who realizes that the song is of course my ex-*classmate's* kids ... > >ian.s.j. > > >>From: "dan bailey" >>To: "ideal copy" >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:36:21 -0500 >> >> >>First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll >>report >> >>about the gig tomorrow. >> >> >> >>later, >> >> >> >>Miles >> > >> >did i read that right...?? 'first Fall gig'...??? ;-) dear god, >>Miles...!!! >> > >> >ian.s.j. >> >>same here, actually. just stumbled in (nice detour on the interstate >>outside >>auburn) & am about to expire, but must note that the gig was a good one >>indeed. mes' (he's looking sort of like a far more dissolute johnny cash >>these days, i'd say) wanderings offstage were short in duration, his >>fiddling with others' equipment was minimal, the band was quite hot (did >>someone here -- or was it on the fallnews site? -- compare them to a mere >>bar band? they're sure as hell head & shoulders above the bar bands i'm all >>too familiar with). >> >>fairly typical set, i suppose, though we didn't get dr buck's letter, >>bourgeois town, touch sensitive, way round, last commands of xyarlothotep >>or >>mountain energei (afaik, anyway). then again, i'm not sure how many (if >>any) >>of the other performances included my ex-girlfriend's kids, not to mention >>an encore of ghost in my house, followed by (after 10-plus minutes of crowd >>exhortion) another encore of i'm going to spain, featuring mes backed only >>by drums. >> >>nice to meet miles & jason. three full heads of hair, for those keeping >>note. none of us exactly scrawny, either. >> >>would've loved to have had the rogers sisters as openers, but locals paper >>lions (from athens) were pretty decent, i thought. without ransacking my >>record collection or memory, i was sort of reminded of a more propulsive >>lp-era middle class or maybe breaking circus. oddly enough, one of their >>songs mid-set was *already* reminding me of one of the gang of 4's less >>jarring early songs when the lead singer started playing whatever the >>harmonica-esque instrument is that's heard on it's her factory ... >> >>anyway, off to dreamland. maybe i'll be able to discover what song i was >>dismayed during last night's slumber to discover wasn't on any of my 3 >>passage lp's ... obviously my subconscious, paying my bank account no heed, >>is demanding that i buy the ltm reissues. >> >>dan > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:50:51 -0400 From: Version Subject: [idealcopy] Fall in Atlanta-A Review 1.(Short Version) Long time Fall fan sees band for first time, grades show as a C+ mainly because of Mr. Smith's entertaining presence and history. Long version follows (#2-10) 2. Paper Lions (remnants of earlier Atlanta bands) are onstage as I enter, rocking out with a fair amount of energy, singin' and playin', but they must have already played their much-vaunted in the local press Gang-of-Four influenced songs, because I was ticking off the influences on each number..."here's a bit of London Calling...that one sounds like 'Buffalo Bob' Smith of the Cure fronting Fugazi"...etc. etc. No sparse plank spankin' funk, and even if they had, the question still remains; what do paper lions really want to say on their own? Props for energy and playing ability, points off for originality and not once did they (or I) achieve liftoff... 3. They finish their set just after 11, the Fall wait just about an hour to take the stage. If the club (Atlanta's Echo Lounge) isn't filled beyond capacity, then its certainly filled TO capacity. Sign outside says "Tonight's Show is sold out-No Exceptions". Temperature inside says "90-100 degrees F". I had spent the interim outside buying bottled water, possibly one of the best investments I made all night. Due to the shoulder-to-shoulder situation, it was inconvenient to roam and look for fellow listees...besides, Jason had advised me he would be wearing shorts (smart man), but even surreptitiously scanning all likely candidates for shorts was...not feasible. 4. The taped intro elicits an excited, if smallish roar from an anticipatory crowd, and a few short minutes later the band comes on. First impressions are that recent pictures posted do much justice to band, with the exception of bassist, who appears gangly and goofy, rather than menacing, in real life. I like him already. (Tech list: Music Man bass through Ampeg, Union Jack Les Paul through I don't know what, Casio on barstool through I don't know what, but its not very loud, assorted drums and microphones...) 5. 'Marky' Smith ambles on after the band vamps for two or three minutes, announces "We are the Fall...", and the gig begins. These are also the last intelligible words I heard until 'Damo Suzuki' an hour later...Mr. Smith is attired in oft-mentioned leather jacket, which he later takes off to reveal a short-sleeved knitted shirt, similar at a distance to those alligator Izod shirts so ubiquitous on these shores, and what appear to be never before remarked upon jogging trousers, although from my vantage I could be completely wrong... 6. Band reveals itself to be earnest and pedestrian, competently plowing through each number, often stopping rather than ending the tunes. Keyboardist is heard about 1/4 of the time in ultra-simple descending note runs, playing her casio and offering the occasional backing chant or not very encouraging clapping to the beat. Don't get me wrong; seasoned professionalism is not what I expect from the Fall, but as was reported earlier elsewhere, the skewered genius of self-taught musicians snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, etc.etc-- THAT's what Fall musicians should sound like...I kept waiting to find out why they were recruited into the Fall, but waited in vain...unless their very steadfastness and workmanlike qualities ( I mean, it kind of sounded like it was my friends and I up there playing), but, no the thought is too much to consider further... 7. Mr. Smith whips out set list to announce second or third song, but otherwise doesn't seem to refer to paper very often. (Most of the set seems identical to the recent gigs posted on the Fall site, included in the same order, but I'm not familiar with any of these songs, so I can't be sure. Perhaps other more educated in the current Fall ouvre...?) Soon he is fiddling with bass and guitar amp knobs...hysterically, the bassist frantically watches which knobs, and then, after double-checking that Mark E's attention is occupied with the paying customers, tries to dial them back. At several points the guitar sound cuts off altogether, or raises up to ear splitting level. Mr. Smith emerges from crouch in front of guitar amp, apparently satisfied with his improv/mixing experiment. Guitarist shrugs shoulders, keeps playing, gets sympathetic glance from bassist...and then tries to find his correct sound again before the next song... 8. A small number of songs receive shouts of recognition from the crowd, at least one song has some audience singalong participation, but there are no 'take the roof off the sucker' moments, no passing of the microphone, no dancing, not a whole lot of head nodding, though some, and of course, the physical closeness of fellow attendees may have dampened whatever dancing inclinations may have lurked beneath the surface... 9. Suddenly, after about the 10th song or so, the band quickly unplugs (almost yanks out) their instruments, trot offstage, bump into each other at the end of the stage, turn around, reconvene on stage and plug back in. Elapsed time: 45 seconds. "Is this an encore?" I wonder out loud. Either then, or the next song, the descending bass line of 'Damo Suzuki' is begun, fumbled, begun again, and then joined by rest of band...Kind of a murky, almost rock-dub version, due to the lack of guitar high end being heard at my end of the club...I quite liked Mark's squawking take, almost defiant. "This is more like it", I thought to myself, and then it ended. Again, band whips out guitar cords from amps, rush offstage, and as I prepare for 'Dr. Buck's Letter' or whatever, the PA comes on and generic guitar rock music pumps out, apparently signaling the end of the gig. Somewhat bemused, I decide it is the end of the gig for me, at least, being close to 1:30, and tired of the almost non-stop jostling and hands, dicks and tits rubbing and pushing me from behind (well, the tits were allright, actually, but the rest of them..) 10. Outside, a spectacular lightning storm is flashing to the north. I think of the band, soon to pack into a smallish van (I presume) and wend their way west to N'awlinz. The air is sweet and cool as I drive home. I light a joint, put on Seminal Live, and think about what might have been. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:01:12 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall in Atlanta-A Review Temperature inside says "90-100 >degrees F". I had spent the interim outside buying bottled water, possibly >one of the best investments I made all night. Due to the >shoulder-to-shoulder situation, it was inconvenient to roam and look for >fellow listees...besides, Jason had advised me he would be wearing shorts >(smart man), the field would've narrowed considerably had jason also mentioned he'd be wearing long sleeves. i was impressed. more like amazed. but even surreptitiously scanning all likely candidates for >shorts was...not feasible. > >4. The taped intro elicits an excited, if smallish roar from an anticipatory >crowd, and a few short minutes later the band comes on. First impressions >are that recent pictures posted do much justice to band, with the exception >of bassist, who appears gangly and goofy, rather than menacing, in real >life. I like him already. (Tech list: Music Man bass through Ampeg, Union >Jack Les Paul from my vantage point it actually looked like the confederate battleflag emblem, but it's entirely possible -- in fact, it's a certainty -- that my eyesight isn't what it used to be. >5. 'Marky' Smith ambles on after the band vamps for two or three minutes, >announces "We are the Fall...", and the gig begins. These are also the last >intelligible words I heard until 'Damo Suzuki' an hour later...Mr. Smith is >attired in oft-mentioned leather jacket, which he later takes off to reveal >a short-sleeved knitted shirt, similar at a distance to those alligator Izod >shirts so ubiquitous on these shores, and what appear to be never before >remarked upon jogging trousers, although from my vantage I could be >completely wrong... nope -- you're spot-on. i was about 5 rows back & saw 'em plain as day. > >6. Band reveals itself to be earnest and pedestrian, competently plowing >through each number, often stopping rather than ending the tunes. >Keyboardist is heard about 1/4 of the time in ultra-simple descending note >runs, playing her casio and offering the occasional backing chant or not >very encouraging clapping to the beat. Don't get me wrong; seasoned >professionalism is not what I expect from the Fall, but as was reported >earlier elsewhere, the skewered genius of self-taught musicians snatching >victory from the jaws of defeat, etc.etc-- THAT's what Fall musicians should >sound like...I kept waiting to find out why they were recruited into the >Fall, but waited in vain...unless their very steadfastness and workmanlike >qualities ( I mean, it kind of sounded like it was my friends and I up there >playing), see my earlier note ... you & your friends really ought to be in the music business, sounds like. but, no the thought is too much to consider further... > >7. Mr. Smith whips out set list to announce second or third song, but >otherwise doesn't seem to refer to paper very often. (Most of the set seems >identical to the recent gigs posted on the Fall site, included in the same >order, but I'm not familiar with any of these songs, so I can't be sure. >Perhaps other more educated in the current Fall ouvre...?) i haven't heard any of the new stuff (except for last night), but the 3rd (? between telephone thing & and therein, at any rate, i'm pretty sure) song was green-eyed loco man (takeoff on brown-eyed handsome man?), & 3 or 4 songs after that we got sparta fc. one early highlight was when he wadded up a set-list & tossed it out into the crowd. >Soon he is fiddling with bass and guitar amp knobs...hysterically, the >bassist frantically watches which knobs, and then, after double-checking >that Mark E's attention is occupied with the paying customers, tries to dial >them back. At several points the guitar sound cuts off altogether, or >raises up to ear splitting level. Mr. Smith emerges from crouch in front of >guitar amp, apparently satisfied with his improv/mixing experiment. >Guitarist shrugs shoulders, keeps playing, gets sympathetic glance from >bassist...and then tries to find his correct sound again before the next >song... > >8. A small number of songs receive shouts of recognition from the crowd, at >least one song has some audience singalong participation, but there are no >'take the roof off the sucker' moments, no passing of the microphone, actually, there was a bit of the latter on the front row for big new prinz, which surprised me by appearing to be the song most familiar to the crowed, even moreso than mr pharmacist or there's a ghost in my house. no >dancing, not a whole lot of head nodding, though some, and of course, the >physical closeness of fellow attendees may have dampened whatever dancing >inclinations may have lurked beneath the surface... > >9. Suddenly, after about the 10th song or so, the band quickly unplugs >(almost yanks out) their instruments, trot offstage, bump into each other at >the end of the stage, turn around, reconvene on stage and plug back in. >Elapsed time: 45 seconds. "Is this an encore?" I wonder out loud. Either >then, or the next song, the descending bass line of 'Damo Suzuki' is begun, think it was the 2nd song after that brief break, following big new prinz. >fumbled, begun again, and then joined by rest of band...Kind of a murky, >almost rock-dub version, due to the lack of guitar high end being heard at >my end of the club... actually, to my admittedly jaded & tinnitus-afflicted ears the first minute or so sounded almost like bela lugosi's dead. quite striking. I quite liked Mark's squawking take, almost defiant. >"This is more like it", I thought to myself, and then it ended. Again, band >whips out guitar cords from amps, rush offstage, and as I prepare for 'Dr. >Buck's Letter' or whatever, the PA comes on and generic guitar rock music >pumps out, apparently signaling the end of the gig. Somewhat bemused, I >decide it is the end of the gig for me, at least, being close to 1:30, sticking around would've netted you ghost in my house & i'm going to spain ... hardly transcendental, but fun. and >tired of the almost non-stop jostling and hands, dicks and tits rubbing and >pushing me from behind (well, the tits were allright, actually, but the rest >of them..) > >10. Outside, a spectacular lightning storm is flashing to the north. indeed. i gather i outran the storm as i headed south, having caught maybe 100 raindrops while navigating the interstate. dan I >think of the band, soon to pack into a smallish van (I presume) and wend >their way west to N'awlinz. The air is sweet and cool as I drive home. I >light a joint, put on Seminal Live, and think about what might have been. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:59:20 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Live fennesz Yes indeed it is a vey nice ceedee. It is one track about 50 minutes and all the familiar sound of him are passing by. It has a more warm sound then by example the Endless Summer album. You can hear his guitar samples quite clear. And for a live ceedee (maybe a little rediculous for an electronic act) it is a fantastic one. > In a message dated 7/12/03 7:22:40 PM, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: > > > > >Fennesz - Live in Japan > > the description from ab-cd mailorder makes this sound like the must have of > all must haves! how good is it? > > -p.c.d. > > www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:18:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Rooney (UK) 'The Best Of...' Apologies to non-footie fans... Re. Rooney. There's already been mention of Lorimer, Toshak Highway, here as well as Rooney. But it appears there's also a band called Corrigan? And I'm not even counting yesteryear's Rush and, erm, B*A*L*L*! Where will it end? Stepney - great hopes, but let it slip through their hands? Harvey - successful at first, split up, reform and do jack shit! Best - like the Doors they had it all till the singer hit the bottle Keowan - ugly hard rock act Shearer - often compared to Elbow Kendall - generally recognised as the best group ever not to make the charts Hoddle - oddball cult frequnetly compared with the Polyphonic Spree Reaney - line dancing combo Charlton - often spoke of in same breath as A Flock of Seagulls Adams - a modern day Cliff & the Shadows Ball - scored a huge hit with their cover of Sugar Baby Love Mills - made number two even though everyone hated them... etc etc... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:41:35 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] The Fall In Atlanta The Fall show last night was pretty good. I wouldn't rate the performance in the same league as the recent Echo Lounge shows that I've seen this year (Wire, The Chameleons, Mission Of Burma, etc.), but I was sufficiently impressed by Mark E. Smith and company. As I've said before here, I'm new to The Fall and my knowledge of the band's material is limited to Live At The Witch Trials, the Totally Wired compilation, and various occasional tracks that I've heard over the years ("Victoria" cover, etc.), so I didn't recognize anything that the band played last night. I give the Fall show a positive review because the band did hold my attention for the entire set, although I didn't recognize any of the songs. I do look forward to seeing the setlist online somewhere and then searching out the songs that I particularly enjoyed (Looking at past setlists now on the day after the show, I did hear and enjoy "Telephone Thing", "Green-Eyed Loco Man", and "Behind The Counter"....I think that BTC was the opener ??). Mark E. Smith is certainly interesting to watch; he ambled around the stage and looked like he was dressed to play golf. I was also impressed with the opening band, a local group called Paper Lions. Paper Lions reminded me of a Dischord label band and kept up the intensity pretty well for an opener. I did look at the band's CD at the merc. stand and noticed that their record is on the Athens label, Kindercore, that hosts a few of my favorite bands around here (Maserati, I Am The World Trade Center, Japancakes, The Agenda, etc.). Yeah, my first Fall experience was decent enough to keep me intrigued by the band and want to search out more material from them. Good stuff. Jason _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:42:31 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] The Fall In Atlanta P.S. I also met a couple of fellow idealcopyists at the show: Miles and Dan. Hope y'all had a safe trip home. Jason _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:13:40 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Live fennesz In a message dated 7/13/03 5:00:25 PM Central Daylight Time, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: > Yes indeed it is a vey nice ceedee. It is one track about 50 minutes and > all > the familiar sound of him are passing by. It has a more warm sound then by > example the Endless Summer album. ARE YOU SURE? how could anything be "warmer" than Endless Summer....the album oozes warmth... it tickles my nads everytime i put it on Robert np - Vanity 6 "Nasty Girls" extended 12" (no pun intended) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:56:08 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Live fennesz/live electronic In a message dated 7/13/03 6:00:25 PM, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: >Yes indeed it is a vey nice ceedee. It is one track about 50 minutes and >all > >the familiar sound of him are passing by. It has a more warm sound then >by > >example the Endless Summer album. You can hear his guitar samples quite > >clear. And for a live ceedee (maybe a little rediculous for an electronic > >act) it is a fantastic one. thanks for the input, jan. it was sure to go on my "list" anyway, but additional confirmation can't hurt. speaking of live electronic shtuff... i'm going to perform some of my electronic noise pretty soon. a local bar now features deejays and live electronic on tuesday nights. before i do the live performance though, i'll probably sit in as dj for 30-60 minutes at least one night. so, the reason i mention this all here is that i'm pretty much the "old guy" for this deal, and as such, i'd like to take advantage and push some of my "old guy music/noise" on the local youngsters. now i'm sure some of the guy s there are plenty familiar with the classics/roots/old school/pioneers...but i'd like to get opinions here on some stuff you think would go over well with the young folk (wire and not wire). also, i wouldn't say i have to be strict with the electronic-ness (ie. i've got senor coconut's cover of kraftwerk-showroom dummies in there). these are the wire tracks i'm choosing from so far. i haven't gotten to wir or the side projects yet: what's your desire?, arriving/staying/going?, half-eaten, art of stopping, nice streets, being watched. cheers, p.c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK I actually owned the C(hris) Newman & Janet Smith album, 'til I sent it to Colin to complete his Newman collection. I also acquired a Chris Newman bootleg in a trade with someone who thought it was Colin. It's just as bad as the studio album, only live. And... I found another album by Colin Newman (not our Colin) entitled "Jailbait", off some Italian label. There are not words to describe its suckiness. I've burned all of these to a single CD. It is not played very often. Andrew - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > > please tell me that the next line is... > > > > "but she's a lovely wench" > > > ////ok keith , never let it be said that i don't try to assist. i > actually > dragged a cdr of the wretched "another the newman" out and played it __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:03:16 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta oh, yeah -- forgot to mention that after the final encore, what issued forth from the p.a. than i should have known better? clearly, miles has an in with someone ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:22:28 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta > Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. Never thought I'd read the word ocarina on the Wire list. Bart (lived on ocarinastreet his entire youth - hence the interest) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:41:52 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. > >All I can remember is that one is favored by reggae guys and the other by >third grade music teachers. ours, in 3rd grade, were called "tonettes" -- undoubtedly the brand name. only thing i've ever played, other than the radio & the stereo. i stuggled till my fingertips were sore to master the complexities of twinkle twinkle little star, followed by little liza jane, hot cross buns & god knows what other classics of the genre. from there it was a quick hop, skip & a jump to oh bondage, up yours ... or maybe i'm getting a bit confused. oh, well, back to trying to muster 1,000 words on the p.r. struggles of a philadelphia grocery chain ... why metal box seems appropriate accompaniment, i dunno, but that's what's on the bedroom ghetto blaster right now. dan > >bille >-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ >np >brandx - timelines disc one (its a wanky weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:29:34 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta i still have my melodica...bought under the influence of the Go4's 'It's Her Factory'... and Factory band New Order's 'Movement'...you've heard of them ...right...??? but yeah, melodica favoured by the reggae side of things as well, yeah... ian.s.j. >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:41:52 -0500 > > >Melodica...that or ocarina. I always get them confused. > > > >All I can remember is that one is favored by reggae guys and the other by > >third grade music teachers. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #206 *******************************