From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #204 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The Fall @ the Cat's Cradle.com........... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK ["John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall @ the Cat's Cradle.com........... ....they were.............'o.k'............but coulda been any other punk oriented group,hafta agree with Andy here,not what they once were. But then they're not who they once were,'cept for mr smith esq. wouldn't have missed it though,better than anyone else i've seen/listened to live for several months.Ari Jason Rogers wrote: Awesome. Let me know how the show was, if you have time. Enjoy and we'll have to compare notes (although I'm new into the band and won't be good at naming a setlist...lol). Jason >From: Ari Britt >To: Jason Rogers , idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall in Atlanta tomorrow night >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm seeing them tonite at the cat's cradle,chapel hill................. SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Mr MARK E Bursa wrote......... >Probably upped the probability of crap gigness somewhat, but I've never been less than entertained at any of the 30-odd Fall gigs I've seen over the years... Mark< ...................... You a fan or something?I wouldn't say they were crap last night,but someone else on the mixing console might have helped.....Mr Smith at least was in fine form.Ari SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Tim Indestructable wrote......... Lots of great bands did shit albums...The Beach Boys did 'Summer in Paradise', The Beatles did 'Let it Be', Wire did 'Manscape', Aphex Twin did 'Druqs' the list goes on and on but few bands have reached a career low like Spiritualized are about to reach with their new LP "Amazing Grace"...it is fucking awful. No wonder they got dropped by BMG. ........................... Not too many groups can keep up the pressure of 'what the public want',I'll wager there's not one of us does a good job every day,why would musicians be any different,some know when to quit,some don't. I guess once they've 'tasted the limelight' it's hard to quit,i guess they find it hard to believe that the screaming hordes no longer scream.interestingly not too many baldheads last night,mainly a 'young' crowd,but then everyone's young to me. still,one man's fish is another man's poison,eh what.............Ari (who still likes manscape) SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:06:40 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Rooney (UK) 'The Best Of...' because i've heard it and you haven't...??? possibly...??? love and peace bro...ian.s.j. >From: Ari Britt >To: ian s jackson >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Rooney (UK) 'The Best Of...' >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:03:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >ian s jackson wrote: >could be a bit of both, smart-arse,,,(^_^) > >How'd ya know? Ari > >................................. >From: Ari Britt > >To: idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Rooney (UK) 'The Best Of...' > >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:57:43 -0700 (PDT) > > > >what is this,forced recreation or forced punishment?A > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. >http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:45:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] ominous abstract rock I don't think anyone's mentioned this already, but Send was reviewed in this months Q. Pretty good review even if it does only get a mere 3 *** out of 5. This is what it said... Three EP's* compiled into art-punk pioneers first album in 12 years. Reconvened recently to play their 1977 Pink Flag debut live, Watford college of Art's most famous alumini have clearly rediscovered a taste for the ominous abstract rock with which they wooed the post-punk era. Refreshingly, singer Colin Newman still sounds like a market trader reciting translations of Das Kapital, and, in tracks like Being Watched and Comet, the band prove they've lost none of their primeval punk voltage. There's nothing as charming as Outdoor Miner or as memorable as I Am The Fly here, but for men almost all of whom are in their 50's - ex-members of Elastica may care to note - it's startlingly spirited stuff. (David Shepherd) * Three? Keith NP Shellac - 1000 hurts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:46:22 -0700 From: "Bryan" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK I remember coming across something like this a few years ago and looking into it. It is now Wire's C. Newman, according to what I could find at the time. I think the seller is mistaken. > > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:23:37 PDT > From: paulrabjohn@aol.com > Subject: [idealcopy] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#2544896143: C.NEWMAN & JANET SMITH (WIRE) GERMAN VINYL LP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:15:09 +0100 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK His actual name is CHRIS Newman! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan" To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK > I remember coming across something like this a few years ago and looking into it. It is now Wire's C. Newman, according to what I could find at the time. I think the seller is mistaken. > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:23:37 PDT > > From: paulrabjohn@aol.com > > Subject: [idealcopy] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#2544896143: C.NEWMAN & JANET SMITH (WIRE) GERMAN VINYL LP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:26:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK > I remember coming across something like this a few years ago and looking > into it. It is now Wire's C. Newman, according to what I could find at the > time. I think the seller is mistaken. It's someone called Chris Newman. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall in Atlanta tomorrow night with any luck (i.e. assuming i ascertain that tickets are available -- wouldn't have had the money except that a free-lancing check arrived in yesterday's mail) i'll be heading toward atlanta for the show as well ... finances being tight, it's a choice between that show & the buzzcocks elsewhere in atlanta on, i think, wednesday (what are the odds -- 2 storied manchester bands within a week?), & since i've seen the latter twice ... dan >hit and miss is right Jason...probably worth going, either way...good >luck...let us have a report when you get a chance...ok...??? ta...ian.s.j. > >PS - you can email PJKane on Fall recommendations... ;-) PJ...!!! > >>From: "Jason Rogers" >>To: idealcopy@smoe.org >>Subject: [idealcopy] The Fall in Atlanta tomorrow night >>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:48:25 +0000 >> >>I've decided to go see The Fall in concert tomorrow night at Echo Lounge. >> If anyone else here is attending the show, let me know and maybe we can >>meet up there. >> >>I'm a fairly new fan of The Fall, only owning Live At The Witch Trials and >>Totally Wired: The Rough Trade Anthology. I've been searching for The >>A-Sides, but am having trouble finding it around here. What can I expect >>from the band tomorrow night? I've heard that it's a pretty much >>hit-or-miss affair depending on Mark E. Smith, so hopefully tomorrow night >>will be a thumbs-up night. What are the band's more dependable songs >>that are heard in concert, if any? >> >>Both of the CD's that I own from The Fall are quite incredible. Live At >>The Witch Trials was apparently mastered from a scratchy original vinyl in >>the basement of a moldy house, but the songs are still spot-on. >> >> >>Jason >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >_________________________________________________________________ >Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:31:26 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK In a message dated 7/12/03 5:26:43 PM GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > It's someone called Chris Newman. > //////i have heard some of his stuff and believe me it is utterly dire. titles like "my wife is french" , "dandruff" and (oh dear oh dear) "wanker prize" maybe give some idea of where he's at , but the reality is yet worse. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:36:33 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK from recent descriptions, i'd have thought those were tracks from the latest spirtualized ... dan >> It's someone called Chris Newman. >> > >//////i have heard some of his stuff and believe me it is utterly dire. >titles like "my wife is french" , "dandruff" and (oh dear oh dear) "wanker prize" >maybe give some idea of where he's at , but the reality is yet worse. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:43:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK > //////i have heard some of his stuff and believe me it is utterly dire. > titles like "my wife is french" please tell me that the next line is... "but she's a lovely wench" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:43:55 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] mbv back? ... sort of dunno if the following has been mentioned here or not ... mildly interesting to me, as i like mbv somewhat, not that i've played anything of theirs (besides the map ref cover, of course) in probably a decade or so, other than a bootleg obtained earlier this year of their first few ep's ... the movie referenced at the end does sound promising, though. My Bloody Valentine Back in the Studio after 12 Year Hiatus Sometimes news comes down the grapevine that's so good you have to spread the word. Otherwise it would be an injustice to humanity. When word came to those of us at Under the Radar that My Bloody Valentine have been holed up in a Berlin studio we couldn't quite believe it. After all, the band hasn't released anything in twelve years. Being the dutiful rock journalists that we are we sought confirmation on the rumor only to be foiled again. Our source on this bit of breaking news wishes to remain strictly anonymous. But he did confirm the buzz. My Bloody Valentine is finally back in the studio. As it turns out an MBV box set is due out sometime this winter and Kevin Shields, Colin O'Ciosiog and Bilinda Butcher are back in the studio to re-record a few songs for it. No, there will not be a new MBV album, but the band is re-recording 5 songs they had abandoned for the Glider EP. Originally the Glider EP was to be a full- length album, but due to pressures from the record company Shields decided to only release five songs as an EP because the other material wasn't ready to see the light of day. The left over Glider songs were shelved and Shields and company moved on to the never-ending Loveless sessions. As many of you know, after Loveless the band went their separate ways (for whatever speculative reason) and those leftover Glider songs remained on the shelf....until now. Although there has been no confirmation on whether or not vocalist Debbie Googe is also in on the new sessions it is a bona fide fact that My Bloody Valentine will release Glider as a full-length album contained within the new MBV box set, if all goes well. Is it possible the seeds for a comeback are planted? God, let's hope so! In other, more official, My Bloody Valentine related news, Kevin Shields has just scored the new film by Virgin Suicides director Sofia Coppola, entitled Lost In Translation. The movie stars Bill Murray as a fading TV star, Ghost World's Scarlett Johansson, and Giovanni Ribisi, and is described as exploring the relationship between two strangers (Murray and Johansson) who meet and explore the foreign world of Tokyo and life's aspirations. Emperor Norton Records will be putting out the Original Movie Soundtrack on September 9th, which contains two brand new Kevin Shields songs, four of his score pieces, an exclusive track by Virgin Suicides composers Air, as well as songs by Jesus & Mary Chain, Death In Vegas, Squarepusher and Phoenix. Lost In Translation the movie is due in New York and Los Angeles theaters September 19th, and later in the rest of the country. By Marcus Kagler ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:45:49 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK >> //////i have heard some of his stuff and believe me it is utterly dire. >> titles like "my wife is french" > >please tell me that the next line is... > >"but she's a lovely wench" "unlike judy dench/though she's a real mensch" (not that i know how her surname is pronounced ...) dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:13:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mbv back? ... sort of > >>As many of you know, after Loveless the band went their separate ways > (for whatever speculative reason) and those leftover Glider songs remained on > the shelf....until now. > Although there has been no confirmation on whether or not vocalist Debbie > Googe is also in on the new sessions it is a bona fide fact that My Bloody > Valentine will release Glider as a full-length album contained within the > new MBV box set, if all goes well.<< Debbie Goodge was the bassist, not the vocalist. It's doubtful whether any instruments (apart from drums) were played by anyone except Kevin Shields... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:20:17 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Interesting item on eBay UK In a message dated 7/12/03 7:41:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > please tell me that the next line is... > > "but she's a lovely wench" > ////ok keith , never let it be said that i don't try to assist. i actually dragged a cdr of the wretched "another the newman" out and played it whilst cooking the tea in order to exactly quote ATN's words of wisdom. imagine a parping 80's synth , no rhythm track and ATN adopting a sort of pseudo-operatic gilbert & sullivan vocal style (i'm sure he had his reasons). the lyrics go (backing vocals in brackets) ; my wife is french (she's french , she's french) she is french (she's french , she's french) and wherever she goes , i always know she's french she's french wherever she goes (repeat) oh she's got french toes and she's got a french nose oh yes , she's got french toes....... there's more , but i was losing the will to live by this point and couldn't bear to suffer any longer. not exactly "inventory" , is it? i think this track is on that album on ebay , i would suggest a bid of about 2p for comedy value. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:56:38 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Fall-ing toward Atlanta I won't be available for any pre-show get-togethers, but if any idealcopyist is at tonight's Fall gig at the Echo Lounge, I'll be the pudgy guy in the white Stax t-shirt. Or one of them, anyway, so if you say "hi" to them all, you'll eventually meet me. First Fall gig, so I won't have the connoisseur's perspective. I'll report about the gig tomorrow. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #204 *******************************