From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #197 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 6 2003 Volume 06 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: Welcome to idealcopy ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] definitely o.t....... [Tisbili@aol.com] [idealcopy] Symphonic in Persuasion ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] foetsie/wire set ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Britney's foetsie ["Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Welcome to idealcopy > Is that Four Tet album any good? Yeah! I've only played it a couple of times so far, but I have to say I'm impressed. Up there with Send as album of the yr for me! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:08:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Armitage and Moore's Guide to Song I'm enjoying the above new Radio 4 series which takes 3 or 4 songs and dissects them from a musical structure point of view, analysing the way the music works in combination with the lyrics and to create an effect. One of the presenters is a musicologist (willing to play a few chords on a piano in the studio to illustrate a point), the other is a lecturer in popular music. As someone who reacts to music purely intuitively I find this forensic approach interesting and illuminating. It's streamed from Weds to Tues at BBCi - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/atoz/ (click on Armitage and Moore's Guide to Song) - broadcast live Tues lunchtime. This week - Sinatra, Beach Boys, Stay with me Baby (various versions), June Tabor Last week (now unavailable) - The Smiths, Natalie Merchant (the fascinating 'Henry Darger'), Barb Jungr doing Bob Dylan. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:17:20 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Armitage and Moore's Guide to Song Keith, thanks for drawing my attention to this...i have to admit that i enjoy this kind of approach to music...even though what little skill i have musically is completely self-taught...the other series (on TV) is 'Classic Albums' (for non-UK listees, this a series where they take an LP, interview the main protagonists about the making of it, have engineers and musicians in the studio playing back the master tapes, messing with the faders...etc, etc...)...the most enlightening one for me, that i've seen so far, has to be the one that dealt with 'Never Mind The Bollocks...' ...but i'm such a sad bastard i even watched the Def Leppard one last week... jesus...nurse the screens...quick, the morphine...!!!!! ian.s.j. >From: "Keith Knight" >To: "Idealcopy" >Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Armitage and Moore's Guide to Song >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:08:54 +0100 > >I'm enjoying the above new Radio 4 series which takes 3 or 4 songs and >dissects them from a musical structure point of view, analysing the way >the music works in combination with the lyrics and to create an effect. >One of the presenters is a musicologist (willing to play a few chords on >a piano in the studio to illustrate a point), the other is a lecturer in >popular music. As someone who reacts to music purely intuitively I find >this forensic approach interesting and illuminating. It's streamed from >Weds to Tues at BBCi - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/atoz/ (click on >Armitage and Moore's Guide to Song) - broadcast live Tues lunchtime. > >This week - Sinatra, Beach Boys, Stay with me Baby (various versions), >June Tabor > >Last week (now unavailable) - The Smiths, Natalie Merchant (the >fascinating 'Henry Darger'), Barb Jungr doing Bob Dylan. > >Another the Keith _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:26:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Barry White dies http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3046650.stm [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Singer Barry White dies.url] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:26:55 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Ubu related... Syarzhuk, apparently, you are over your storage limit, so i can't send this directly to you...but maybe a few listees would be interested in this too...found whilst rummaging around old folders...!!! best wishes, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Franciszka Themerson Obituary Guardian July 1988.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:28:04 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Barry White dies i'm sure he did a few times on stage early on in his career as well... >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] Barry White dies >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:26:46 +0100 > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3046650.stm > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which >had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Singer Barry White dies.url] _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:30:20 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ubu related... bollocks...forgot about the attachment sketch..... Syar...??? sort your inbox out if you wanna see it...!!!! ok....????? ;-) let me know when i can send it again...ok....??? ian.s.j. >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Ubu related... >Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:26:55 +0100 > >Syarzhuk, > >apparently, you are over your storage limit, so i can't send this directly >to you...but maybe a few listees would be interested in this too...found >whilst rummaging around old folders...!!! > >best wishes, ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of >Franciszka Themerson Obituary Guardian July 1988.jpg] _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:03:24 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Hope of the States Mr Lumbard and I were present at the marvellous Polyphonic Spree party at Cambridge Corn Exchange on Thursday, but you already know about them. But third on the bill were Hope of the States, and you possibly (like me earlier in the week) haven't heard of them yet. Despite the name they're from Chichester (that's a town in Sussex, not exactly renowned for its rocknroll history). They already have a distinctive look - BSP-style American Civil war jackets and specially made films to accompany the songs - and have released one single, which sounds like a beautifully packaged thing but was only available in 1,000 copies. Their songs are long and tend to start melodically but soon turn into what I can only describe as a Branca-style soundwhirl. There were seven of them on stage (having borrowed a Spree violinist to augment their own) and they made an almighty racket. Highly impressive. Checking the web they are picking up rave reviews (new Radiohead, blah, blah) and are worth catching now in my opinion {1]. Highly impressive flash website too - http://www.hopeofthestates.com/flash/HopeOfTheStates.htm Another the Keith [1] - This has been another in the occasional series of my 'Third on the Bill Bands who will sweep the world'. The last band to receive this accolade were The Delays who are of course now bigger then the Beatles. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:20:36 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Dexys >From: "Tim" >And speaking of maverick pop geniuses, I also learnt tonight that Dexy's >Midnight Runners are playing in November. No not Kevin R is a dress singing >Whitney...its billed as Dexys! >Anyone know any more about this? What constitutes Dexy's in 2003? sod it >I'm >going anyway! i'm throwing up my usual line on this here...it had better be the 1st LP / 'Dance Stance' 7" line-up.. ...or else... ;-) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 09:16:49 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] definitely o.t....... alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: "What are Photek like btw? > there are a couple in the library... > worth checking out?" It depends on your tolerance for masochism. My listening to them is a periodic exercise in futility. As far as I can tell, drum n bass is the stupidest form of music ever invented.... worse even than opera or country n western. It has no redeeming features whatsoever. I periodically check out one of the "masters" of the genre to see what the hype is all about, and if there's something I've missed. "Form & Function " cost me a dollar - less than the late fees from the library since I'm not good on returning. Here's the composition checklist for every drum n bass song ever recorded: 1. Sample a drum track. Speed it up to hyperkinetic rates so that it is compressed flat and sounds totally artificial. 2. Once a measure, drop in the exact same descending bass tone. 3. Periodically throw in dull synth pads or washes. 4. Sample another drum riff as a fill. Speed it up to hyperkinetic rates so that it is flat and uninteresting. Drop it in the mix once in a while so as to avoid complete and utter monotony. Whhoooo! Party!! 5. Repeat steps one thru four for 4-6 minutes. 6. Repeat steps one thru five 12 times and you have an album. If you're a big fan of the drill, then maybe it's for you. biLLe \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////// new order - retro bola - soup vast - music for people bt - emotional technology (advance copy- dld)(this one was interesting...don't know if its an anti-ripping measure, but every track has a mostly unintelligible vocodered comment on it about the street date for the retail ceedee. Makes it impossible to listen to. I guess it may be similar to what madonna did with american life). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:52:58 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Symphonic in Persuasion I doubt if any of Glenn Branca's recordings came close to live encounters at the peak of his powers, but The Ascension is more a taste of better things to come / ideas improved upon and suffers from very dry recording (no room resonance). Symphony 3 builds slowly and is quite subdued compared to some of the others, and is really nice. I'd recommend Symphonies 1, 2 (w/ Z'ev) & 6 for raw power, and 1 is particularly rugged recording. Apparently 4 was never released as Branca could never get a satisfactory recording. 5 is also pretty good. 8 & 10 are overwhelming but a bit pompous and overblown All the orchestral ones I've heard are mediocre and lose the plot entirely, except for The World Upside Down, which is still less interesting than his guitar symphonies. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Grand Ulena - Gateway to Dignity ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:19:44 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] foetsie/wire set - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Special > It's > Financial Times Stock Exchange > Goodnight > Ed > It's Financial Times Share Index or FTSI. Newsreaders in the UK started diminishing it to footsi a few years back with straight faces. Like the term 'toddler' for small child or baby, now common newsspeak. Not long before we get 'dodderer' for old folk, I suppose. As regards Wire live, it was a little disheartening the other day to read one of our US listers reviewing Wire in Chicago (I think - and sorry, I forget who) stating 'exactly same set as last year bar encores'. Wire currently is a hell of a live experience, but they've got to stir it up a bit soon or lose momentum. Ian B (but for how long?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:43:08 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney's foetsie I have the video of Wigan's Chosen Few on Top Of The Pops too! Now that's pretty sad! Although at the time it seemed as no band in the universe (my universe) could play that fast, i always wondered why until that punk malarkey came along... Whitelodge - 'Now They Are Seven' - Beta-Lactam Ring Rec's ( download from - http://www.blrrecords.com/) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: RLynn9@aol.com To: CHRISWIRE@aol.com, keith.astbury10@virgin.net, iansjackson@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney's foetsie Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:21:50 EDT In a message dated 7/4/03 12:17:20 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > >(Footsee = Old Northern soul 45 that UK readers of a certain age might > well > >have embarrassed themselves dancing to) > > > > No chance of that where I am concerned.Wouldn't be seen dead in those > trousers. > Chris > Mr. Astbury would...if they were of the leather variety... RL _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:55:38 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] foetsie/4th of July Radio Collage On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 08:19 AM, Ian B wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Special > It's >> Financial Times Stock Exchange >> Goodnight >> Ed >> > It's Financial Times Share Index or FTSI. > Ian B (but for how long?) Oops. I was wrong again, thanks for the correction. BTW: fishing for opinions, criticism, etc... Did any of you listen to the WCBN Special Ed "Decoration of Incandescence" radio collage (July 4th, from 1 am to 6 am, Eastern Standard Time (U.S.))?? http://www.wcbn.org/listen.html Feedback? Just curious. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:01:49 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] foetsie/4th of July Radio Collage Maybe I should just go back to bed.... I messed up the URL on that last one... Oops. I was wrong again, thanks for the correction. BTW: fishing for opinions, criticism, etc... Did any of you listen to the WCBN Special Ed "Decoration of Incandescence" radio collage (July 4th, from 1 am to 6 am, Eastern Standard Time (U.S.))?? http://www.wcbn.org/listen.html Feedback? Just curious. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:26:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] definitely o.t....... In a message dated 7/5/03 8:17:45 AM Central Daylight Time, Tisbili@aol.com writes: > bt - emotional technology (advance copy- dld)(this one was > interesting...don't know if its an anti-ripping measure, but every track has > a mostly > unintelligible vocodered comment on it about the street date for the retail > ceedee. > Makes it impossible to listen to. I guess it may be similar to what madonna > did > with american life). > bt is impossible to listen to with or without vocodered comments..crap trance music... booooooorrrriing RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:36:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Jack White=Rock Star cunt i can't believe i forgot to mention that last Sunday Jack White of the White Stripes and his girlfriend Rene Zellwegger were shopping in my neighborhood record store ....he was acting like a complete self-conscious rock-star cunt....treated all the employees like crap and was rude to every customer in the store that even looked at him....he looked a little high as well...Zellwegger was very aloof like she couldn't be bother with human beings in general... give me a fuckin' break... i also heard (from friends who went to the show that night) that Mr. White carried his cunty attitude on stage with him...stopping in mid song and bitching about this and that..... this is why i hate rock stars and hollywood fuck-wits.... over and out! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:00:36 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] off the rough trade newsletter Unkle / Kubrick We have just taken delivery of 50 of the Unkle / Kubrick - Eye for an Eye Box Set. This is an ultra limited box set featuring a one sided ten inch vip remix of eye for an eye, 4 kubrick / unkle figures and a sheet of stickers, beautifully packaged and designed by futura. You can see some pictures of the contents on our <>website . Priced at #79.99 each, these are sure to become an instant collectors item and they won't hang around for long.... Below are the relevant p&p rates. Due to the limitedness we are sending them out Recorded (UK) and SwiftAir (Europe & rest of world) UK #6.25 EURO #11.50 North/South America #16.00 Japan/Oz #18.35 Buy the Eye for an Eye box set ........so let's see , #85 for a one-sided single , 4 little plastic figures and a sheet of stickers. great value package lads! p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:10:26 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Welcome to idealcopy In a message dated 7/4/03 6:29:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > > Welcome aboard. There was a generous showing of IC-ers at Brighton, > myself > > included. Whisper it gently, but some of us even had hair ; ) > //////i was there too but my contribution to the hairiness of the evening was maybe not in the top drawer. nevertheless , 50% of wire are pretty much hair-free and thus i fail to see why baldness percentages in the audience up to and including this figure should be particularly noteworthy. its an excess of testosterone you know :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Welcome to idealcopy pt. 379 PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: >//////i was there too but my contribution to the hairiness of the evening was maybe not in the top drawer. nevertheless , 50% of wire are pretty much hair-free and thus i fail to see why baldness percentages in the audience up to and including this figure should be particularly noteworthy. it's an excess of testerone you know< bet you tell that all the girls....actualy it's always been of interest to me why most of my friends my age have lost most of their hair when mine is barely showing signs of receding,let alone falling out........hAiRI.......... 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 20:19:37 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - XTC extra curricular yet again...from the same certain London record store (that Wire USED to be on at one point...) new releases email... of interest to some listees... partridge, andy fuzzy warbles the demo archives volume four cd 11.99 fourth volume of andy partridge's demo archives.it includes songs recorded during his days with virgin,including many previously unreleased tracks and also a few alternative demo versions of favourites ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:36:48 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: MBV re: we have all the time in the world, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: >How can people not like the original? Sachmo rules. absolutely. wonderful thing here in ny (not sure where else this might be done) is that wkcr (columbia univ. radio station) plays louis all weekend for his birthday. they actually do birthday broadcasts for many of the legendary jazz musicians, but his runs the whole weekend. i think only charlie parker and lester young get a longer deal than that, but that's for two guys ;o) - -paul c.d. n.p. aside from the louis armstrong birthday broadcast (which for some reason isn't coming in too well): japancakes-if i could see dallas, mogwai-ten rapid, grant lee phillips-mobilize www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:46:01 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney's foetsie well, with reference to my lovely, it's just the dirty ol man in me wanting to play footsie with her maybe in a couple of years i can tell everyone how long i've had a thing for that little amanda bynes on nickelodeon ...oops i did it again! - -p.c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #197 *******************************