From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #190 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: WIRE art/sleeves ["Mark Short" ] Re: [idealcopy] REM untitled [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: WIRE art/sleeves [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] REM untitled ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Branca/Andriessen [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] OT - 'faust come, first served'... ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE OT - 'faust come, first served'... ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] stranglers [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 [oneonetwentytwentynine ] Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] scouring the used bins... ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] [OT] Holland Festival / Z'ev [Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: WIRE art/sleeves - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: WIRE art/sleeves > > >>Gloss lamination is good, it's just there for protection,<< > > Also I like old albums with laminated covers. they age well, which would be > appropriate in the circumstances. > Laminate does stop the sleeve getting grubby, but it is fragile, and makes any creases along the spine stand out in a way that doesn't happen with unlaminated card.And sometimes the laminate comes adrift from the card. When Pink Flag and Chairs Missing came out, laminated covers seemed to me too Old Wave and pretty, like a roadie's satin bomber jacket, whereas plain card was more, er, street. And I think the plain finish better suits the subdued pastel shades of the PF and CM sleeves. Mark S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:51:26 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] REM untitled >> Also, the untitled track 11 which is printed on >> the cd itself, but not on the reverse side of >> the cover... >> How mysterious it all is! > I love that untitled track. Ah me too, it's almost like a parody on a bittersweet, but it does work and move me every time. > And I've seen 'em do it live. > Peter Buck on drums, Bill Berry on guitar, Mike Mills > on keyboards, Peter Holsapple on bass. REM, but not REM! You've had that privilege eh? Nice one. What year was that? > Every band should be made to play each others' instruments > at least once! Perhaps, but when my own shitty band tried it only horrible sounddroppings came out... we are no REM. Btw, I heard Michael had 3 reasons for calling the album Green: 1) enviromental 2) naivety 3) mighty dollars (as they'd just signed to major Warner then) My fave REM album for sure. Missed some G'bury tunes yesterday (that scouser Ian wouldn't stop chatting - only kidding Ian) ;-) but what I heard was very convicing. Also liked the short Michael interview... wasn't he sweet wearing that chappy hat? Had a vision of a Buzzcocks line-up with Stipey, Moby and Jimmy Sommerville... Bart NP: The Wrong Child/Green/REM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:26:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: WIRE art/sleeves > And I think the plain finish better suits the > subdued pastel shades of the PF and CM sleeves. ('eavy french accent) Next time on Home Interior & Sleeves we go searching for couches and wallpaper to match zose "difficult" sleeves such as ze Pistols' Never Mind Ze Bullocks or Bis' Ze New Transistor Heroes... a bientot. Monsieur Bartier ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:54:56 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] never mind / REM me: > Had a vision of a Buzzcocks line-up with Stipey, Moby and Jimmy > Sommerville... BBC show Never-mind-the-Buzzcocks that is... B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:38:11 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] REM untitled >From: Bart van Damme >(that scouser Ian wouldn't stop chatting - only kidding Ian) ;-) off work...too much time on my hands...what can i say...??? hahaha... ian.s.j. (NP - Bows 'Speed Marina') _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:48:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Branca/Andriessen > What do Louis Andriessen & Glenn Branca have in common? Nobody? :-( Both worked with Peter Greenaway. Branca on the "Belly of an Architect" (stunning intro piece) Andriessen on "M is for Man, Music, Mozart", the (horse) opera "Rosa" and the opera "Writing to Vermeer" Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:21:37 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Michael Gira Nice special for Dutch Radio DE AVONDEN session of Michael Gira on http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/deavondenspecials/index.shtml?2785571+3689 971+3689888 BTW Micheal played once with the Glenn Branca ensemble. And not with the Louis Andriessen ensemble DE VOLHARDING. Also not with one of the family like Louis Andriessen, or his brother Jurriaan or his father Hendrik, all composers. Louis is once chosen as the National Tone Poet. Don't know maybe Glenn has a musical family. But I would prefer Glenn Branca's music when our Queen is celebrating her birthday or together with Z'ev, who is beating up the metal rings, when a new prince thing is born. As far as I know they, Branca and Andriessen are both inspired with minimal music. And both are still alive. It is nice I suppose to perform music of living composers, like the BAOC Ensemble does. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:12:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev > BTW Micheal played once with the Glenn Branca ensemble. And not with the Louis > Andriessen ensemble DE VOLHARDING. Also not with one of the family like > Louis Andriessen, or his brother Jurriaan or his father Hendrik, all > composers. Louis is once chosen as the National Tone Poet. Don't know maybe > Glenn has a musical family. Don't believe Branca and Andriessen have worked together - as far as I know they just both (seperately) have worked with Greenaway. > But I would prefer Glenn Branca's music when our Queen is celebrating her > birthday or together with Z'ev, who is beating up the metal rings, when a new > prince thing is born. As far as I know they, Branca and Andriessen are both > inspired with minimal music. And both are still alive. It is nice I suppose to > perform music of living composers, like the BAOC Ensemble does. Ah yeah... Z'ev... the bald scary looking guy who's was severly scorned by artcritics after his performance once at the Holland Festival (wasn't that the year Monique Toebosch presented?). I remember not being very impressed myself. He was dragging a lot of chain across the stage for quite some time. Oh well... if it keeps him of the street... But you wish this creepy guy to perform for our fresh new prince next year Jan? Hmmm, curious as to what phantasies you have in mind for our pregnant Argentinian princes? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:31:38 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - 'faust come, first served'... as well as trying to sell you people stuff...just to prove that i'm a real human being... i have 1 ticket and 3 posters from a Faust gig (Buckley Tivoli, North Wales, UK...5th December 1996) to GIVE away(well, in return for a couple of cdr's would be nice...(^_^)... sorry to anyone on holiday or busy working but.....first come, first served... attached copy of tix...poster too big to scan... ian ('breadhead') s.j. _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:34:28 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] RE OT - 'faust come, first served'... shit...forgot to attach...duh...i blame the medication... cheers ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Faust tickets.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:31:43 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev > Oh well... if it keeps him of the street... But you wish this creepy guy to > perform for our fresh new prince next year Jan? Hmmm, curious as to what > phantasies you have in mind for our pregnant Argentinian princes? ;-) Hey! I like(d) Z'ev! Don't want to piss on your Coronation or anything, but, like the proverbial parrot, I thought he was DEAD! Glenn. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 03/06/18 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:38:25 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE OT - 'faust come, first served'... double shit...forgot the 'demime' sketch...lol.....mail me off list if you wanna see the tix...ian.s.j. >shit...forgot to attach...duh...i blame the medication... > >cheers ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of >Faust tickets.jpg] _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:11:42 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev > BTW Micheal played once with the Glenn Branca ensemble. And not with the > Louis Andriessen ensemble DE VOLHARDING. Also not with one of the family > like Louis Andriessen, or his brother Jurriaan or his father Hendrik, all > composers.Don't know maybe Glenn has a musical family > > Don't believe Branca and Andriessen have worked together - as far as I know > they just both (seperately) have worked with Greenaway. > > Louis is once chosen as the National Tone Poet. > But I would prefer Glenn Branca's music when our Queen is celebrating her > birthday or together with Z'ev, who is beating up the metal rings, when a > new > prince thing is born. As far as I know they, Branca and Andriessen are both > inspired with minimal music. And both are still alive. It is nice I suppose > to perform music of living composers, like the BAOC Ensemble does. > > Ah yeah... Z'ev... the bald scary looking guy who's was severly scorned by > artcritics after his performance once at the Holland Festival (wasn't that > the year Monique Toebosch presented?). I remember not being very impressed > myself. He was dragging a lot of chain across the stage for quite some time > Oh well... if it keeps him of the street... But you wish this creepy guy to > perform for our fresh new prince next year Jan? Hmmm, curious as to what > phantasies you have in mind for our pregnant Argentinian princes? ;-) > > Do you also remember that performance of Glenn Branca, same festival? > The television showed people who were sitting on their chairs with fingers > in their ears. And they scrolled this sentence on the screen. If you want to > notice a little from what we are experiencing here, please turn the Volume > on max output. Wasn't Lydia Lunch also on that festival and Blixa? And > Nasmak? And Soviet Sex? > > An example of creepy, that Argentinian Family could be on the list. > Just ask the the mothers at the centre of Buenos Aires. And Stephan Weisser. > I heard last year he is still recording sounds of metal in rhythms > and performing dances in circles who are so he says very influencal to the > state of mind. > p.s. > The only Kingdom I believe in probably is the House of Elgaland-Vargaland. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:25:51 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 > hi. > new to list. > are there photos of last nights show and or > a set list out there anywhere? > > thanks. I say "oneonetwentytwentynine" aren't we getting a proper introduction first? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:06:20 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Gira / Z'ev Maybe interesting to you Glenn and others. http://www.rhythmajik.com/ > > Oh well... if it keeps him of the street... But you wish this creepy guy > to > > perform for our fresh new prince next year Jan? Hmmm, curious as to what > > phantasies you have in mind for our pregnant Argentinian princes? ;-) > > Hey! I like(d) Z'ev! Don't want to piss on your Coronation or anything, but, > like the proverbial parrot, I thought he was DEAD! > > Glenn. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 03/06/18 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:29:34 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] stranglers somebody asked about the current whereabouts of the stranglers. i see an ad today that shows them supporting UB40 on a UK arena tour this december as "special guests". not special enough i might well suspect. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: oneonetwentytwentynine Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 Proper Introduction, ahhh. how rude of me. well. uh. let's see. yeah. I'm a Wire fan (duh). a synthesizer collector audio engineer fond of electronic experimentation and pushing the envelope, if not a little, to the edge of what humans feel, listen to, and perceptions of joy. The concert last night was amazing. I saw them last year in NYC and was impressed however the recent performance raised the par greatly. They (wire) again proved that expert musicianship, attention to one another, and empathy between the seperate yet connected roles are qualities that they hold, and many "bands" do not. excellent show. erik - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > hi. > > new to list. > > are there photos of last nights show and or > > a set list out there anywhere? > > > > thanks. > > I say "oneonetwentytwentynine" aren't we getting > a proper introduction first? ;-) > > Bart __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:16:32 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Holland Festival / Z'ev Jan: > Do you also remember that performance of Glenn Branca, same festival? > The television showed people who were sitting on their chairs with fingers > in their ears. And they scrolled this sentence on the screen. If you want to > notice a little from what we are experiencing here, please turn the Volume > on max output. The 1983 HF issue, "Attacks by Extremes" certainly was one of the most memorable ones, wasn't it? I remember Branca causing quite a fuss indeed. And Reinbert de Leeuw's Schvnberg Ensemble playing great Schvnberg (it figures). Also, Mrs. Toebosch hilariously tried to sing and conduct Wagner9s Liebestod at the same time which was funny. > Wasn't Lydia Lunch also on that festival and Blixa? And Nasmak? > And Soviet Sex? I thought it wasn't Lydia, but some other (scandinavian?) female artists who did similar sexual confrontation art-performances. Blixa, Soviet Sex & Nasmak I strangely can't quite remember if I saw them there. Have to dig deeper. > An example of creepy, that Argentinian Family could be on the list. > Just ask the the mothers at the centre of Buenos Aires. The father's a total shithead allright. You think it rubbed of on the daughter? That would be a bit biblical wouldn't it? I ain't no royalist too, but as long as they behave I don't mind and don't care about them much. > The only Kingdom I believe in probably is the House of Elgaland-Vargaland. Give me Kropotkin(g) any time. > And Stephan Weisser. I heard last year he is still recording sounds of metal > in rhythms and performing dances in circles who are so he says very influencal > to the state of mind. Glenn: > Hey! I like(d) Z'ev! Yes... appartently Weisser/Z'ev has become what is "proverbally" known as a hippie (read below) http://www.rhythmajik.com > In RHYTHMAJIK, Z'EV has radically reformulated the mystical tradition > commonly known as the Qabalha from an Astral/Cosmological focus, to > an Earth-based paradigm, in harmony with the needs of our current time. > It requires no knowledge of the Qabalha, nor does it assume or call for > a prior knowledge of any of the traditional literatures. ...and it does wonders for your abs too! BartoloMea Culpa Remember (Remko Scha's) the Machines? Create your own Branca here: http://www.iaaa.nl/music/machines.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:25:45 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 Hi Erik and welcome, Good to hear some positive news about the NY gig... Been into Wire for a long time have ya? "Perceptions of joy..." hmmm, I'm intrigued :-) (dutch)Bart > Proper Introduction, > > ahhh. how rude of me. well. uh. let's see. yeah. I'm a > Wire fan (duh). a synthesizer collector audio engineer > fond of electronic experimentation and pushing the > envelope, if not a little, to the edge of what humans > feel, listen to, and perceptions of joy. > > The concert last night was amazing. I saw them last > year in NYC and was impressed however the recent > performance raised the par greatly. They (wire) again > proved that expert musicianship, attention to one > another, and empathy between the seperate yet > connected roles are qualities that they hold, and many > "bands" do not. > > excellent show. > > > erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:58:27 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nyc '03 hi all, tired, so real brief... hi erik and welcome. and i thought i was the only listmember in ny! show was absolutely fantastic! same set as you saw last year. the live at the metro track list at posteverything.com is also the same. encores were the only change: strange, 106 beats that, surgeon's girl, pink flag. pink flag was awe inspiring! one of the most incredible sonic experiences ever. - -paul (harlem shakes have a cool name, but they blow chunks) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:34:41 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] scouring the used bins... >or, scour the used bins and avoid the new stuff. if i can get away with a >couple of 5 dollar used discs, that'll be good enough for me. >paul c.d. The day of the SanFran show I purchased the Water Communication double cd for 6 bones and finally the Ahead 45 (I have never heard the short version) at a mere 4. My buddy picked up GIlbert/Kendall Orr cd for 6 bones as well. This was at Ameoba. Wish there was a place that cool in my neck o the woods! paulye _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:13:59 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Holland Festival / Z'ev > On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 06:16 PM, BartoloMea Culpa wrote: >> >> Remember (Remko Scha's) the Machines? Create your own Branca here: >> http://www.iaaa.nl/music/machines.html > > > That brings back memories.... > > Have some of this : > http://www.nomansland-records.de/nml/e_kpe.html > and > > URL=http://www.jonroseweb.com/index.html > > > BTW, I'm having trouble with the audio/x-pn-realaudio plugin needed > to appreciate Jon Rose's site, as well as others I have probably only > experienced superpartialalificially. Should I try using Netscape? I > use a Mac G4 933 with Omniweb, Safari and only when I have to: IE. > > Eddie ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #190 *******************************