From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #180 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 20 2003 Volume 06 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Old question Re: Recent Wire Lyrics [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] keith wrote. [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland June 21st [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland June 21st [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] ANARCHY IN THE USA! [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] ot - day ov gristle [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] [OT] M83 comments [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery [Ed Special Sorry to backskip here, (the question was raised about a week back) re > lyrics for 'SEND': > > I too was wondering about the lack of a lyric sheet: I thought it might > just have been an oversight with my copy. I could do with one, because > my tin ears can't decipher *all* the lyrics. As to their quality, you may > have a point. Certainly they are not quite as ..erm...'obtuse' as some of > the boys' earlier efforts, and, as at least on other correspondent has > observed, a *little bit* more obvious, perhaps? > > Could this be a consequence of the manner in which 'Send' was made, i.e. > by post, and cut-and-paste operations in Pro-tools or something, with > perhaps less chance to refine/hone/collaborate? > > Their lyrical ideas in the past have been so elegant, economical and > downright clever at times, so I'm going to trawl the net for sites with > the full lyrics transcribed before I rush to definitive judgement. > > Derek Derek - thanks for picking up on this. It just struck me that in the past the lyrics - or I suppose I should say "texts" - were as important or had been given as much thought and attention as the music by the band. This time, from what I can hear, it sounds much more like they've fallen back on the more standard "its a song so we need some words" approach. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] keith wrote. I don't think that anyone offering their latest work (with a bonus disc for those of us who bought the earlier stuff) can be accused of 'selling out'. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 'almost' agree Keith,but how much did that bonus cost them?(not that I'm saying they shouldn't have done it) I regularly purchase cd-r's for 50 @ $2.99 after mail in rebate,in fact the other day at office depot i got 50 cd-r's for $12 with $12 mail in rebate! so how much 'by bulk'? a cent maybe? my point is if you're going to give a bonus do it right not as it APPEARS,half heartedly. SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:03:46 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland June 21st I am looking forward to the next WIRE show. It's only two days away. I wonder what they will be playing? I will be taping the show. I hope this one comes out better than the El Rey Theater. WIRE is playing with Melt Banana and Mink Lungs. I wonder if they are going to come back fro ATP? Spaceland is a very small venue. It will be the smallest place I have seen WIRE. The Fall is playing the same night. There are some other shows, so I don't think it will be packed. I am also going to see Trail of the Dead, Mogwai and Blonde Redhead. Alexander Laurence +++++++++++++ http://www.freewilliamsburg.com +++++++++ The Hipster Handbook: http://www.thehipsterhandbook.com SF Burning: http://www.sfburning.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:56:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland June 21st Wow, you're spoilt rotten Alexander! ;-) Enjoy! Bart > I am looking forward to the next WIRE show. It's only two days away. I wonder > what they will be playing? I will be taping the show. I hope this one comes > out better than the El Rey Theater. WIRE is playing with Melt Banana and Mink > Lungs. I wonder if they are going to come back fro ATP? Spaceland is a very > small venue. It will be the smallest place I have seen WIRE. The Fall is > playing > the same night. There are some other shows, so I don't think it will be > packed. I am also going to see Trail of the Dead, Mogwai and Blonde Redhead. > Alexander Laurence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:23:27 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ANARCHY IN THE USA! In a message dated 6/13/2003 8:24:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > But, according to frontman John Lydon (Johnny Rotten), the band will never > write or record another original song. So, are they calling themselves the sEx-Lion Tamers? BillE =[=[=[=[=[=[=[=[=[=[=[ rp elvis - imperial bedroom the latest (2cd) reissue depeche mode - one night in paris dvd wire - live on rockpalast (recently dl from the net) durutti column - someone else's party (another great one from vini) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:21:03 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ANARCHY IN THE USA! << wire - live on rockpalast (recently dl from the net) >> hey -- if you D/Led it, care to share the URL so that some of us others can D/L is as well. or has this been discussed and i am just totally flaking out and missed it? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:37:42 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ANARCHY IN THE USA! postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > << wire - live on rockpalast (recently dl from the net) >> > > hey -- if you D/Led it, care to share the URL so that some > of us others can D/L is as well. Howdy postL: No, you are not flaking out. I dl'd this from a newsgroup, not a website, so there's no url. Somebody had a vhs cap of a 154-era broadcast, ripped the audio track, and posted it. Quality is a little dodgy for those reasons, but it is an interesting document for those who could not eyewitness. tBe [o[o[o[o[o[]o]o]o]o]o] np: nothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:50:33 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery In a message dated 6/19/03 6:04:48 AM, Superflyww9@aol.com writes: >WIRE is playing with Melt Banana and Mink >Lungs. i'm going to the bowery ballroom show in ny next friday. the harlem shakes are opening. anyone heard them? i'd love to see melt banana...even if they just walked on, played showroom dummies, and walked off! speaking of which, i don't normally buy tribute albums (whore is actually the only one i own), but has one been done for kraftwerk? school's out tomorrow! woohoo!! - -paul (and i'm the teacher) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:59:02 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot - day ov gristle thought many copyists would be interested, especially those of you in northern cali! received this from ethan port, of savage republic, on the procession email list: >From: "Savage Republic" >Subject: Free!! Official 24 Hour Tribute to THROBBING GRISTLE -- KFJC.ORG >89.9FM > >Could you please email/post this information, and ask others to pass >it on? >It's all free and this weekend. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Details on: http://www.MOBILIZATION.com/tg23.html >"Official 24 Hour Tribute to THROBBING GRISTLE -- thee Inventors of >Industrial Music: New and Old interviews, WEB CAST, Live Free Event" > >T/G 24 on KFJC 89.7 FM >Sunday June 22, 2003 >Mobilization and KFJC 89.7 FM are proud to present a 24 hour >celebration of the history, mystery and IMPACT of THROBBING GRISTLE: > >"A Day of Gristle". > >This mind altering radio broadcast will cull from materials including: > >Six hours of new interviews with all the members of THROBBING GRISTLE >and friends such as MONTE CAZAZZA >Five hours of historical interviews made at KFJC in 1979 and 1980 "in >the thick of it" >Other interview and media spots >The new Mute 24 CD release of THROBBING GRISTLE live performances >All the studio and other live releases by T/G > >This radio special will be WEBCAST by KFJC. >In conjunction with the 24 hour broadcast, a "TG LOUNGE" will be set >up at FOOTHILL COLLEGE in APPRECIATION HALL where the live recordings >from the broadcast will be presented through the high quality >Mobilization loudspeaker system in an attempt to re-create the sub- >sonic and ultra-sonic frequencies of the original performances, to >the extent that the original recordings allow. Various video imagery, >including PTV videos, will also be presented. Anyone in the area is >invited to attend this live event - see KFJC.org for directions.12345 >El Monte Road, Los Altos, CA: Room 5001 > >One 'special' CD copy of the entire program will be given to thee >lucky winner of the Day ov Gristle contest. Whatever we feel is the >most interesting response to thee INDUSTRIAL RECORDS questionnaire >that was included in the original edition of T/Gs 2nd Annual Report >will 'win the biscuit tin'... > >More details on the special, as well as the questionnaire & contest >information, will be included on this site in coming days. > >Archives of the special may also be available after the initial >broadcast. Check back at this link for details. This site will be >maintained after the special as an online resource to the THROBBING >GRISTLE global community. > >Thank you for your attention and participation. > >Mr. E >Nozmo King >Mark Darms >Mr. Hate >M.C.Christ > > http://www.mobilization.com/tg23.html > >Linkx: >Brainwashed TG site >Brainwashed Axis site >Brainwashed Coil site >ChrisandCosey.com >ChrisCarter.co.uk >Genesisp-Orridge.com >Thresholdhouse.com >Throbbing-Gristle.com > www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:08:00 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! it's being broadcast like crazy here in ny too. good news is my nine yr old sings it. bad news is he doesn't know it's a ramones song yet. - -paul (hey ho, let's go...make a phone call) c.d. In a message dated 6/19/03 1:01:55 AM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >i've seen it on tv probably 20 times now the past 2 or 3 weeks ... cool >by > >me. maybe johnny, at least, is getting some money out of the deal. > > > >dan > > > >>I don't know if this is a local deal, but I just heard > >>a local radio station playing the Ramones "Blitzkreig > >>Bop".....advertising a long distance phone company!! > >> > >>YUCK!!! www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:51:09 -0700 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] M83 comments Many thanks to those that commented on Bristish Sea Power, I am hoping to pick up some releases when in London on Saturday (I would get it here, but I am in a small german town and Luxembourg is quite expensive!). I have just come across another raved-on band called M83, hailing from France. The line to catch is "My Bloody Valentine meets Air"... and given an affinity for both bands, I am intrigued. Can anyone comment on their releases? many thanks, - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:08:57 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 12:50 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/19/03 6:04:48 AM, Superflyww9@aol.com writes: > speaking of which, i don't normally buy tribute albums (whore is > actually the only one i own), but has one been done for kraftwerk? > -paul (and i'm the teacher) c.d. > www.mp3.com/winteracademy SENOR COCONUT http://www.globalvillageidiot.net/coconut.htm showroom dummies: http://www.emperornorton.com/mp3/showroom.mp3 Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:18:34 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact / Faust On 17 Jun 2003 11:21:21 +0200 "Jan J Noorda" wrote: Subject: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Deadly Weapons/Autumn Leaves remix Minimal Compact breakthrough 1984 album Deadly Weapons is now being rereleased and the first-ever compilation of their work will come out in September 2003, along with a collection of brand-new remixes. ... I must confess, in my opinion it was no good decision from Tom Bailey to leave the excellent guitar of Colin behind. ================================================ Well, I haven't heard the remix, but as far as I know the guitars heard on Automn Leaves are played by MC's guitarists Fortis & Sakharof and not by Colin. There are rumours in Israel that MC is going to play a few gigs in Europe (Amsterdam & Paris) and Israel this summer, which might explain the re-release of Deadly Weapons. I would heartily recommend as they were really awesome live - had the privilege to see them 3 times (one with Colin as guest) in the 80's. If Crammed are re-releasing DW, maybe they'd also do us a huge favour and re-release It Seems & Commercial Suicide on CD? I guess no-one on the list is gonna attend the Faust gig this Saturday in berlin. If anyone is going and wants to meet e-mail me. aufwiedersehen giluz www.indymedia.org.il - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:21:25 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery In a message dated 6/19/03 6:10:09 PM Central Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > >speaking of which, i don't normally buy tribute albums (whore is > >actually the only one i own), but has one been done for kraftwerk? > >-paul (and i'm the teacher) c.d. > >www.mp3.com/winteracademy > > SENOR COCONUT > http://www.globalvillageidiot.net/coconut.htm > > showroom dummies: > http://www.emperornorton.com/mp3/showroom.mp3 > > Ed > speaking of Senor Coconut (aka Atom Heart) and cover tunes....he did a cd of covers called "Pop Artificiale" under the guise of LB (Lassigue Benthaus)...things included are Superbad ..Be Near Me ...Sunshine Superman ....Jealous Guy..Ashes to Ashes...Angie..Silence is Golden...all lovingly (and sometimes tediously) rendered with electronics and a vocoder.... but it wasn't enough for Mr. Uwe Schmidt now in his Senor Coconut guise, he is set to release Smoke on the Water...he has gone too far now... as Morissey sang: "That joke isn't funny anymore" RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:35:24 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 04:21 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/19/03 6:10:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: >>> speaking of which, i don't normally buy tribute albums (whore is >>> actually the only one i own), but has one been done for kraftwerk? >>> -paul (and i'm the teacher) c.d. >>> www.mp3.com/winteracademy >> >> SENOR COCONUT >> http://www.globalvillageidiot.net/coconut.htm >> >> showroom dummies: >> http://www.emperornorton.com/mp3/showroom.mp3 >> >> Ed > > speaking of Senor Coconut (aka Atom Heart) and cover tunes....he did a > cd of > covers called "Pop Artificiale" under the guise of LB (Lassigue > Benthaus)...things included are Superbad ..Be Near Me ...Sunshine > Superman ....Jealous > Guy..Ashes to Ashes...Angie..Silence is Golden...all lovingly (and > sometimes > tediously) rendered with electronics and a vocoder.... > > but it wasn't enough for Mr. Uwe Schmidt > > now in his Senor Coconut guise, he is set to release Smoke on the > Water...he > has gone too far now... > as Morissey sang: "That joke isn't funny anymore" > > RL And here is Smoke On The Water, Riders On The Storm and more... http://www.emperornorton.com/mod/artistpage.php3?artist=senor_coconut (Smoke.. and Beat It didn't play thru for me..)???? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:42:37 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Ed Special wrote: > > And here is Smoke On The Water, Riders On The Storm and more... > http://www.emperornorton.com/mod/artistpage.php3?artist=senor_coconut > (Smoke.. and Beat It didn't play thru for me..)???? > Ed Smoke played this time. must have been busy. or something Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:23:22 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - advance warning of private CD sale OK........FURTHER TO MY MAIL FROM A FEW DAYS AGO...IE... i'm just starting work on a spreadsheet of sounds that i'll be selling off (first offers will go to IC people, of course)...and having never used eBay at all, i'd be grateful for any help/advice/good or bad experiences from listees... HERE'S MORE...(with repeated thanks to all eBay help so far received...) folks... i'm off work for a while (with crippling sciatica)...i can, however, still sit for short periods at a monitor...(straight for the sympathy vote, i hope you appreciate this...) in order to go some way to finance the necessary private treatment (and as a happy by-product, make some room for the new stuff...), i've decided to have a clear-out... lots and lots of different sounds, reasonably priced...(mostly from my time on a Peel/Kershaw type radio programme in the 90's)...i thought i'd offer up the first chance to you lot on the Ideal Copy list... there's a LOT of them and i don't think the list will accept the spreadsheet attachment...(AM I RIGHT, MILES...??? let me know if it's ok...???)...so you'll have to email me off-list if you're interested...there's bound to be quite a few you might fancy though, whatever your particular tastes are... first come, first reserved and all that... (advance apologies to anyone offended by me selling stuff that they love, don't take it personal baby...) thanks for your time, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:10:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE: live at Spaceland and bowery > >> showroom dummies: > >> http://www.emperornorton.com/mp3/showroom.mp3 > >> > >> Ed hahahahaha!!! it works! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #180 *******************************