From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #179 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 19 2003 Volume 06 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT - Ebay advice/help/experiences needed... ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ebay advice/help/experiences needed... [Bunny Smedle] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Old question Re: Recent Wire Lyrics ["Derek White" ] [idealcopy] Fwd: SF ticket for sale [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Recent Wire Lyrics [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [Bo Krogsgaard ] [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Ebay advice/help/experiences needed... hi all... i'm just starting work on a spreadsheet of sounds that i'll be selling off (first offers will go to IC people, of course)...and having never used Ebay at all, i'd be grateful for any help/advice/good or bad experiences from listees... all mail on this much appreciated, cheers, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:32:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/18/03 12:36:15 AM Central Daylight Time, adrift@endlessblue.com writes: > Hmmm... I wonder how they got Grohl... did they meet through the > lawsuit proceedings? > > Sounds like a good line up, including Dave on drums. > > cheers! > -fernando > are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like a well planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's suck his fans in too" ...ugh RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:10:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke > > Sounds like a good line up, including Dave on drums. > > > > cheers! > > -fernando > > > > are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like a well > planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's suck his > fans in too" ...ugh > > RL But he's a good drummer! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:27:18 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 02:10:56PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > > Sounds like a good line up, including Dave on drums. > > > > > > cheers! > > > -fernando > > > > > > > are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like a > > well planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's > > suck his fans in too" ...ugh > > > > RL > > But he's a good drummer! Not only that, but a good drummer with a record of guesting on decent records (I'm quite happy to defend "Songs for the Deaf" by QOTSA...), and is quite clearly just an *enormous* fanboy; I'm inclined to cut him quite a bit of slack. (The KJ single/promo I heard was still distinctly uninteresting, though.) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:57:25 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/18/03 8:10:38 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like a well > planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's suck his > fans in too" ...ugh > > RL But he's a good drummer! >> so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:04:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: [mute] This Week at Mute (w/c 16 June 03) In a message dated 6/18/03 8:12:37 AM Central Daylight Time, news@mute.info writes: << Out this week: * Pole - "90/90" EP (CD and 12") "With "90/90", part two in a new series of Pole releases, Stefan Betke has - for the very first time - allowed vocals to enter his minimal dub environment. "On the EPbs title track "Slow Motion" Ohio-based rapper Fat Jon precisely dissects the fabric of time, disregarding the familiar rules of hip hop showmanship...." Continues at http://www.mute.com/pole/ The album "Pole" follows on 7 July (15 July in North America) New official site: http://www.pole-music.com >> i guess it's safe to say...Pole officially sucks now....45/45 was quite boring and uninspired...and now this slice of crap.... Graeme warned me.... RL np - Phonophani - "Genetic Engineering" (Rune Grammofon) Return-Path: Received: from rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (rly-xn03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.136]) by air-xn03.mail.aol.com (v94.29) with ESMTP id MAILINXN34-81c63ef0654465; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:12:37 -0400 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN34-63a3ef0652cce; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:12:12 -0400 Received: from [194.70.81.160] (helo=[194.70.81.250]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19ScjP-0000Gc-0U; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:12:07 +0100 Received: from [194.70.81.44] by [194.70.81.160] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 2.1); 18-Jun-2003 14:02:27 +0100 Date: 18 Jun 2003 14:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <991305902news@mute.info> From: Mute Info Subject: [mute] This Week at Mute (w/c 16 June 03) To: Mute Mailing List X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.1 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Mute Info Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi! Out this week: * Pole - "90/90" EP (CD and 12") "With "90/90", part two in a new series of Pole releases, Stefan Betke has - for the very first time - allowed vocals to enter his minimal dub environment. "On the EPs title track "Slow Motion" Ohio-based rapper Fat Jon precisely dissects the fabric of time, disregarding the familiar rules of hip hop showmanship...." Continues at http://www.mute.com/pole/ The album "Pole" follows on 7 July (15 July in North America) New official site: http://www.pole-music.com * Erasure - "Loveboat" album (North America) (CD) First North American release of the album issued in the UK in October 2000. http://www.mute.com/mute/erasure/loveboat.htm http://www.erasureinfo.com Happening this week: * Si Begg plays live in the UK (London) * Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds play live in North America (San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, Toronto) * Client play live in Germany (Munich, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Cologne) * Echoboy plays live in Spain (Madrid, Valencia, Barcelona, Bilbao) * Erase Errata headline the Sonic Mook Experiment Tour in Europe & the UK (Berlin, Paris, London, Bristol) * Dave Gahan continues his European tour (St Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev) * Goldfrapp play live in Europe (Belgium, Germany) * Richie Hawtin DJs in Europe (Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt, Athens, Hassloch)s * Moby continues a European tour (Athens, Budapest, Prague, Warsaw) * Pole plays live in Europe (Brussels, Zagreb) * Luke Slater DJs in Italy (Riccione) * T.Raumschmiere plays live in Germany (Jena) * Paul van Dyk DJs in the US (New Orleans, Miami, San Francisco, Los Angeles) * The Warlocks play live in the UK (London) - - Nick Cave and three of the Bad Seeds will appear on this week's Later (Friday 20 June, 11.35 pm on BBC2) - - Mobilization and KFJC 89.7 FM present a 24 hour celebration of the history, mystery and impact of Throbbing Gristle on Sunday 22 June, 2003. This radio special will be webcast live by KFJC, 89.7 FM in Los Altos Hills, California http://www.mobilization.com/tg23.html Forthcoming live dates for all artists can be found at http://www.mute.com/mute/news/tour.htm Other news: - - LA septet The Warlocks release "Shake The Dope Out" on 30th June. The single release is the first since signing a worldwide deal with Mute and is released in conjunction with City Rockers in the UK and with Birdman in America http://www.mute.com/thewarlocks/ - - Cabaret Voltaire special offer: Purchase all full price back catalogue CDs from Cabaret Voltaire, The Halfer Trio, Richard H. Kirk and Stephen Mallinder at Mute Bank for only 9.99 pounds (or 8.50 pounds non-EU) http://www.mute.co.uk/cgi/saleframes.cgi Forthcoming releases: 23 Jun - Echoboy: Lately Lonely single (available online only) 23 Jun - Various: Sonic Mook Experiment Hot Shit album (Blast First) 30 Jun - Dave Gahan: Dirty Sticky Floors 12"s 30 Jun - Motor: 0503 12" (novamute) 30 Jun - Speedy J: Tanga 12" (novamute) 30 Jun - The Warlocks: Shake The Dope Out single 30 Jun - Various: Sonar 2003 album 1 Jul - Alaska: Returning Back To Sirius single (North America) 1 Jul - Si Begg: Moveup single (North America) 7 Jul - T.Raumschmiere: Monstertruckdriver single (novamute) 7 Jul - Pole: Pole album 7 Jul - Si Begg: Director's Cut album (novamute) 7 Jul - Various: Rough Trade Shops Post Punk 1 album + 12" 14 Jul - Inspiral Carpets: Come Back Tomorrow single 14 Jul - Mick Harvey: Australian Rules OST album (The Fine Line) 14 Jul - The Warlocks: Phoenix album (reissue) 15 Jul - Si Begg: Director's Cut album (North America) 15 Jul - Pole: Pole album (North America) Cheers! Janet Mute, London http://www.mute.com Questions: info@mutehq.co.uk Mute Bank mail order: http://www.mutebank.co.uk | info@mutebank.co.uk You've been sent this mail because you're currently signed up for our weekly newsletter Unsubscribe / changes http://www.mute.com/mute/mlt/mailing.htm#Changes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:33:40 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke Once I hear the album, I guess I can see if it is a cash-in/sell-out scheme. I do not start cynical, but could get there quickly based on the results... and not on rumours/opinions. I am not so sensitive to the "sell-out," for some groups, and KJ would be one of them... they do have to make some kind of living after "being true" (whatever that is) for quite a few years/albums. cheers! - -fernando At 08:32a -0400 06.18.2003, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/18/03 12:36:15 AM Central Daylight Time, >adrift@endlessblue.com writes: > >>Hmmm... I wonder how they got Grohl... did they meet through the >>lawsuit proceedings? >> >>Sounds like a good line up, including Dave on drums. >> >>cheers! >>-fernando >> > > >are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like >a well planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is >cool..let's suck his fans in too" ...ugh > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:40:20 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke At 09:57a -0400 06.18.2003, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/18/03 8:10:38 AM Central Daylight Time, >keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > ><< > are you kidding??? i have lost all respect for Jaz.....it seems like a > well > > planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's suck > his > > fans in too" ...ugh > > > > RL > > But he's a good drummer! > >> > >so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? Hmmm... that is a good question: Steven Morris -- sick kid and recording new New Order album Martin Atkins -- I think that would have been cool... too bad about Damage Manual not lasting too long. May be some problems there too... among them, that is. keith Moon -- not available John Herndon -- enough Chicago bands to keep up with, perhaps John McEntire -- too metronomic for KJ Kevin Haskins -- same as McEntire? Alistair (forgot)-- not enough Jazz or strings to pull him out of the Tindersticks, though the non-4/4 time signatures could be more interesting for KJ Fernando -- not known enough, and I have not gotten past the air-drums purchase and classes there could be others ;) I would not have thought much of Dave G, but the drumming in QotSA is quite nice. cheers! - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:26:07 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/18/03 6:41:45 AM, adrift@endlessblue.com writes: << there could be others ;) I would not have thought much of Dave G, but the drumming in QotSA is quite nice. cheers! - -fernando >> The new Killing Joke album is quite heavy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:44:10 +0100 From: Bunny Smedley Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ebay advice/help/experiences needed... > all mail on this much appreciated, cheers, ian.s.j. I have had a lot of success with eBay both as buyer and seller. My tips for sellers are basic: - - describe the item accurately, and include in the right eBay selling category. Include as much text detail as possible, including mentioning relevant key words for topics related to the item you are selling - - include a picture - - start with selling a few small items, or buying items, to build up positive feedback. Many buyers are nervous of making significant purchases from unknown sellers - - make your items available globally if possible, by taking paypal (even if at a surcharge) and shipping globally - you might think it's weird to send a 7" or magazine from the US to Europe or vice versa, but plenty of collectors would disagree - - search for previous similar items for an indication of prices and some inspiration on how to list Good luck ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:50:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke >> But he's a good drummer! > >> > > so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? > > RL Why not? But then I rate him as a drummer. I *think* it could work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:52:31 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 05:50:48PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > >> But he's a good drummer! > > >> > > > > so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? > > > > RL > > Why not? > > But then I rate him as a drummer. I *think* it could work. Most likely because he was willing to do it; the impression I get of Dave Grohl, as I mentioned earlier, is that he loves to play in bands he's a fan of. His reputation as a preternaturally nice person (whether well-founded or not) probably doesn't do any harm in this regard either. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:58:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ebay advice/help/experiences needed... I wish all sellers would take this advise! MM --- Bunny Smedley wrote: > > all mail on this much appreciated, cheers, > ian.s.j. > > I have had a lot of success with eBay both as buyer > and seller. My tips for > sellers are basic: > > - describe the item accurately, and include in the > right eBay selling > category. Include as much text detail as possible, > including mentioning > relevant key words for topics related to the item > you are selling > > - include a picture > > - start with selling a few small items, or buying > items, to build up > positive feedback. Many buyers are nervous of making > significant purchases > from unknown sellers > > - make your items available globally if possible, by > taking paypal (even if > at a surcharge) and shipping globally - you might > think it's weird to send a > 7" or magazine from the US to Europe or vice versa, > but plenty of collectors > would disagree > > - search for previous similar items for an > indication of prices and some > inspiration on how to list > > Good luck ! ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:11:09 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke it seems like a well planned cash-in/sell-out scheme ....."Oh Dave Grohl is cool..let's suck > his fans in too" ...ugh > But he's a good drummer! > >> //// That's *very* cynical, RL....;-) > >so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? //// Perhaps one advantage is that Dave Grohl starts out from the position of being a fan. That could make it easier to sort out any differences of opinion viz. drum parts while assembling the album, in that: a) Such 'differences' are less likely to arise, on account of DG being aware of what the band usually wants, and b) Being a fan, perhaps he'd be more likely to defer to KJ, and Jaz in particular. If there *was* an intractable dispute over the suitability of a drum part for a particular song, DG would perhaps be less likely to *insist* that he got his way. I agree, it's perhaps a surprising choice of drummer, but one with a certain logic to it...... Whether he's still a fan at the end of recording/mixing is less certain, however. Prolonged exposure to the allegedly volcanic temper of J.Coleman may strain that to the limit...............:-( As for 'The Foo Fighters are cool, lets drag their fans along for the ride, too' angle, hmm, I really don't know about that. D'ya not think they've 'peaked', and are on their way down the other side? There are tens of bands with more supposed 'cool' that they could have raided............. _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:21:21 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Old question Re: Recent Wire Lyrics >Tony Wrote: >, what do people make of Wire's current lyrics ? From what I can hear they >are the least interesting >of all periods of the band and the only thing >about the current band that I *could* call disappointing. >Is it a >co-incidence that Send doesn't have a lyric sheet ? > Sorry to backskip here, (the question was raised about a week back) re lyrics for 'SEND': I too was wondering about the lack of a lyric sheet: I thought it might just have been an oversight with my copy. I could do with one, because my tin ears can't decipher *all* the lyrics. As to their quality, you may have a point. Certainly they are not quite as ..erm...'obtuse' as some of the boys' earlier efforts, and, as at least on other correspondent has observed, a *little bit* more obvious, perhaps? Could this be a consequence of the manner in which 'Send' was made, i.e. by post, and cut-and-paste operations in Pro-tools or something, with perhaps less chance to refine/hone/collaborate? Their lyrical ideas in the past have been so elegant, economical and downright clever at times, so I'm going to trawl the net for sites with the full lyrics transcribed before I rush to definitive judgement. Derek . _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:44:21 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago >From: RLynn9@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Wire in Chicago...questions unanswered! > >ok..i posted this a few days back..and NONE of our Chicago Idealcopyists >answered! what's up guys???!!! this IS a Wire list right??? 6-25: Double Door: tickets on sale at Ticket Master 6-26: Abbey Pub: Tickets on sale at Ticket Web Odd to play different venues so close together. I assume there was a scheduling problem at the Metro, who kindly announced these shows to members of their mailing list. The Empty Bottle may have proved to be too small--although The Fall are playing there later in the month. No idea how tickets are selling. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:27:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: SF ticket for sale Does anyone need an extra SF ticket for the 23rd? If so, please respond not to me but to Mr. Carlson (address below). later, Miles >From: "Brian Carlson" >Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:13:25 -0700 > >Hey...i'm not sure if you can help or if you'll even be interested but I >have one ticket for the San Francisco show on June 23. I would like to sell >it for what I paid for it...about $25. Do you happen to know anyone who >would be interested? I apologize for sending this but I'm having a hard >time finding any kind of wire message board or info exchange.... > >Thanks, > > >Brian Carlson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:36:35 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/18/03 12:11:37 PM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: << That's *very* cynical, RL....;-) >> why thank you! i do what i can RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Recent Wire Lyrics Derek White wrote: From: "Derek White" To: idealcopy@smoe.org, rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Old question Re: Recent Wire Lyrics Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:21:21 +0000 >Tony Wrote: >, what do people make of Wire's current lyrics ? From what I can hear they >are the least interesting >of all periods of the band and the only thing >about the current band that I *could* call disappointing. >Is it a >co-incidence that Send doesn't have a lyric sheet ? > Sorry to backskip here, (the question was raised about a week back) re lyrics for 'SEND': I too was wondering about the lack of a lyric sheet: I thought it might just have been an oversight with my copy. I could do with one, because my tin ears can't decipher *all* the lyrics. As to their quality, you may have a point. Certainly they are not quite as ..erm...'obtuse' as some of the boys' earlier efforts, and, as at least on other correspondent has observed, a *little bit* more obvious, perhaps? Could this be a consequence of the manner in which 'Send' was made, i.e. by post, and cut-and-paste operations in Pro-tools or something, with perhaps less chance to refine/hone/collaborate? Their lyrical ideas in the past have been so elegant, economical and downright clever at times, so I'm going to trawl the net for sites with the full lyrics transcribed before I rush to definitive judgement. Derek ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Personally I'm disappointed with the whole caboodle,the sound on some trax suck,the lyrics on some are incomprehensible,they charged us more than the 'local store' ,the bonus c.d had no packaging at all,the L.P's were bent............the packaging on that was garbage,where's their business accumen?have they sold out to the pound in their pocket ? don't they care anymore?Are they someone else pretending to be Wire ?(I'll get me bullit proof vest)Ari . _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:41:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recent Wire Lyrics rushing to ari's defense... but there was no complaint about the songs themselves...so, it seems when all the various negative comments are strung together it makes the entire package look a little shabby. i think if we put all the positive comments in one post it'll look just fine. there are pros and cons with everything. the problems (defects or otherwise) can be irritating, but they don't have to ruin our appreciation of the whole thing. i love the album. i'm pretty sure i'd be playing it a lot more if i had never heard the r&b tracks before. i usually program the new songs on the player...and then i listen to my sweet and lovely britney... - -paul c.d. In a message dated 6/18/03 4:46:23 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >Personally I'm disappointed with the whole caboodle,the sound on some trax >suck,the lyrics on some are incomprehensible,they charged us more than >the 'local store' ,the bonus c.d had no packaging at all,the L.P's were >bent............the packaging on that was garbage,where's their business >accumen?have they sold out to the pound in their pocket ? don't they care >anymore?Are they someone else pretending to be Wire ?(I'll get me bullit >proof vest)Ari www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:44:00 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury Apropos Dave Grohl: >> But he's a good drummer! > >> > > so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? > > RL Why not? But then I rate him as a drummer. I *think* it could work. - -------------------------- Ah, but he knows his limitations. I recently read an article which quoted him as saying he fancied himself as a Zeppelin reformation drummer until he saw footage of Bonham. He has now declared himself 'not worthy'. Another the Keith (approaching the Zeppelin DVD as if it were a cornered animal - it's too powerful to do other than poke at it at the moment) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:17:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recent Wire Lyrics > Personally I'm disappointed with the whole caboodle,the sound on some trax suck,the lyrics on some are incomprehensible,they charged us more than the 'local store' ,the bonus c.d had no packaging at all,the L.P's were bent............the packaging on that was garbage,where's their business accumen?have they sold out to the pound in their pocket ? don't they care anymore?Are they someone else pretending to be Wire ?(I'll get me bullit proof vest)Ari I know Ari's having a little fun here (little tinker), but in the interests of balance - I'm a Libran after all! - can I just spout the following... I initially thought the R&B's were a little over-priced for what are essentially 6 track e.p.'s, but well worth it once I'd heard the contents. But despite having most of Send already I think a tenner for that and the bonus live disc (packaging or no packaging) was excellent value. And whilst I wasn't mad on the R&B covers, Send does the biz for me. And to be honest, as much as I'd like a lyric sheet, I have to confess that I rarely look at suchlike nowdays. I don't think that anyone offering their latest work (with a bonus disc for those of us who bought the earlier stuff) can be accused of 'selling out'. I can think of other artists web sites I've looked at where their albums are going for fifteen quid. Or in the case of Keith Levine #20 for something or other (it's not clear!) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:26:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > (The KJ single/promo I heard was still distinctly > uninteresting, though.) Don't worry, it's the worst track of the album. It gets MUCH better. b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:27:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > so what? there are plenty of good drummers in the world...why pick him? Maybe because he can already play both Eighties and Requiem? :> b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! I don't know if this is a local deal, but I just heard a local radio station playing the Ramones "Blitzkreig Bop".....advertising a long distance phone company!! YUCK!!! See some of you (at least) next week for the SF show! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://www.3rproductions.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:00:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whacked shit! i've seen it on tv probably 20 times now the past 2 or 3 weeks ... cool by me. maybe johnny, at least, is getting some money out of the deal. dan >I don't know if this is a local deal, but I just heard >a local radio station playing the Ramones "Blitzkreig >Bop".....advertising a long distance phone company!! > >YUCK!!! > > >See some of you (at least) next week for the SF show! > > >===== >Rick Hindman, 3R Productions >PO Box 7770 >Santa Cruz, CA 95062 >t: (831) 425-7335 >f: (831) 425-7356 >http://www.3rproductions.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #179 *******************************