From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #178 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Deadly Weapons/Autumn Leaves remix ["Jan J No] [idealcopy] OT: Killing Joke ["Jens" ] [idealcopy] killing Joke [fernando ] [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [steeleknight@lineone.net] RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [steeleknight@lineone.net] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet ["DAN L ROSE" ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [Bo Krogsgaard ] [idealcopy] Band names [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] "unusual" band names list ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] BFD2003 - San Francisco 13 June. [Norm Fasey ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [Bo Krogsgaard ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Wire in Chicago...questions unanswered! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke [Bo Krogsgaard ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Hanns Eisler Site [voyteck@webtv.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:00 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet Paradiso Amsterdam, 29th May 2003, Tombola 2009 Festival - - 99.9 - - Germship - - Mr Marx's Table - - 1st Fast - - Read and Burn - - Agfers of Kodack - - Comet - - Art of Stopping - - Spent - - I Don't Understand 1st encore - - Strange - - 106 Beats That - - Surgeon's Girl 2nd encore - - Pink Flag And if the rest of the tour is the same? Wire has a name it will never repeat its own, so unexpected new sounds can apppear. > Hi Jan, > Can you give me a title list on this show? was it the same as the rest of > the tour? > Cheers, johnc in SB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan J Noorda" > To: "Ideal Copy" > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:37 PM > Subject: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet > > > > Perhaps I was not very clear by mentioning fabchannel, but the gig Wire > did > > at the Paradiso in Amsterdam can still be viewed on this site > > http://www.fabchannel.com. Search in the archive for W(ire). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:16:47 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4 On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:07:46PM -0500, dan bailey wrote: > not only that, but i don't think i knew killing joke had a new one ... i > found their last couple surprisingly good, all things considered. > I wouldn't hold out much hope; the first single off the album sounds like bad Nine Inch Nails (is there any other sort?). Not very impressive. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:21:21 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Deadly Weapons/Autumn Leaves remix Minimal Compact breakthrough 1984 album Deadly Weapons is now being rereleased and the first-ever compilation of their work will come out in September 2003, along with a collection of brand-new remixes. As a taster there's a 12" with a cracking remix of Deadly Weapons (the song) by up-and-coming UK crew Optimo, backed with a deep, dubby transmutation of Autumn Leaves courtesy of International Observer(the excellent New Zealand dub collective revolving around ex-Thompson Twin Tom Bailey. Of course we all know that Colin is related to Minimal Compact's Malka Spigel and he did produce their Raging Souls album. Autumn Leaves is a track from this album. After listening the remix of this on http://www.crammed.be/ , touch the red or green knob, I must confess, in my opinion it was no good decision from Tom Bailey to leave the excellent guitar of Colin behind. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:24:50 +0200 From: "Jens" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Killing Joke haven't heard any new songs myself, but a close friend of mine did, and thought they were quite good. I'm not sure he is to be trusted though, he tends to get a bit overexcited on hearing his favourite 80s acts trying to reapproaching their "old sound". anyway, KJ is playing Germany this summer, are there any known dates set for the UK? - Jens - ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Fren: Andrew Walkingshaw Till: Skickat: den 17 juni 2003 11:16 Dmne: Re: [idealcopy] GO4 > On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:07:46PM -0500, dan bailey wrote: > > not only that, but i don't think i knew killing joke had a new one ... i > > found their last couple surprisingly good, all things considered. > > > > I wouldn't hold out much hope; the first single off the album sounds > like bad Nine Inch Nails (is there any other sort?). Not very impressive. > > - Andrew > > -- > email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ > Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ > CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ > "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:29:49 -0700 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] killing Joke The track listing for the album to be released next week has: 1. Nervous System (Malicious Single) 2. Pssyche (Malicious Single) 3. Follow The Leaders (Original) 4. Change (Capital Radio 1-30-80) 5. Are You Receiving (Capital Radio 1-30-80) 6. Complications (Capital Radio 1-30-80) 7. Wardance (Malicious Single) 8. The Wait (Basing Street Demo) 9. Nervous System (Live) 10. Animal (Live) 11. Change (Live) 12. Nuclear Boy (Live) 13. Malicious Boogie (Live) 14. Wardance (Live) 15. Are You Receiving (Live) 16. Youre Being Followed (Live) So, is this one of the tracks that sounds like bad NiN? Perhaps this is the only planned release for the USA. - -fernando At 10:16a +0100 06.17.2003, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: >On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 08:07:46PM -0500, dan bailey wrote: >> not only that, but i don't think i knew killing joke had a new one ... i >> found their last couple surprisingly good, all things considered. >> > >I wouldn't hold out much hope; the first single off the album sounds >like bad Nine Inch Nails (is there any other sort?). Not very impressive. > >- Andrew > >-- >email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ >Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ >CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ >"Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:31:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke The GO4 link that was sent included this: Andy Gill, who has just produced the excellent new Killing Joke album... So it would appear there's a new KJ LP as well as the compilation. I liked some of the reformed stuff - Millenium was one of my fave 45's of that particular year. Keith NP er, Wigwam Bam! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:43:34 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke >So it would appear there's a new KJ LP as well as the compilation. I liked >some of the reformed stuff - I thought 'Democracy' was a real return to form, 'Pandemonium' less so. Still, I await the new album with interest.... I just bought 'No way out but forward go' (the live one) complete with video disc for #6. It's flawed, though: the vocals are mixed way too far forward, and the result is that it makes the band sound 'weedy', a feat I thought impossible. Also, for a live album, there's a curious lack of audience noise/atmosphere. There arises a couple of questions: Did the U.S. crowd (@ Lorely?) know who they were? Was the performance from a multi-band event, where KJ were just the warm-up? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:49:56 +0100 From: steeleknight@lineone.net Subject: RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke My God they're all coming back! Now there's news (again from Playlouder.com) that Dexy's are playing the Royal Festival Hall on 10 November and will be performing songs 'in the manner in which they were originally recorded' - - although this begs the question of which era we're talking about: http://playlouder.com/news/+dexyjoy/ Obviously Kevin has been spurred on by the high regard in which the dress album is held here. another the Keith >-- Original Message -->From: "Keith Astbury" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:31:39 +0100 > > >The GO4 link that was sent included this: Andy Gill, who has just produced the excellent new Killing Joke album... So it would appear there's a new KJ LP as well as the compilation. I liked some of the reformed stuff - Millenium was one of my fa >e 45's of that particular year. Keith NP er, Wigwam Bam! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:50:05 +0100 From: steeleknight@lineone.net Subject: RE: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke My God they're all coming back! Now there's news (again from Playlouder.com) that Dexy's are playing the Royal Festival Hall on 10 November and will be performing songs 'in the manner in which they were originally recorded' - - although this begs the question of which era we're talking about: http://playlouder.com/news/+dexyjoy/ Obviously Kevin has been spurred on by the high regard in which the dress album is held here. another the Keith >-- Original Message -->From: "Keith Astbury" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:31:39 +0100 > > >The GO4 link that was sent included this: Andy Gill, who has just produced the excellent new Killing Joke album... So it would appear there's a new KJ LP as well as the compilation. I liked some of the reformed stuff - Millenium was one of my fa >e 45's of that particular year. Keith NP er, Wigwam Bam! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:05:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/17/03 8:45:49 AM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: << There arises a couple of questions: Did the U.S. crowd (@ Lorely?) know who they were? Was the performance from a multi-band event, where KJ were just the warm-up? >> if you like, i could ask Jaz for you.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:07:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/17/03 6:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << Andy Gill, who has just produced the excellent new Killing Joke album... >> yes..there is a new album coming out...Graeme Rowland posted something about it months ago..the title seems to be changing all the time though.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:40:59 -0500 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet Does anyone have a copy of this? Seems to have more teeth than the official live release and has the encores! Would love to trade, swap, etc. for this or any recent (even not so recent) Wire concerts. Got big list of nice things.........Dan Send reply to: "Jan J Noorda" From: "Jan J Noorda" To: "Ideal Copy" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:07:00 +0200 > Paradiso Amsterdam, 29th May 2003, Tombola 2009 Festival > > - 99.9 > - Germship > - Mr Marx's Table > - 1st Fast > - Read and Burn > - Agfers of Kodack > - Comet > - Art of Stopping > - Spent > - I Don't Understand > 1st encore > - Strange > - 106 Beats That > - Surgeon's Girl > 2nd encore > - Pink Flag > > And if the rest of the tour is the same? > Wire has a name it will never repeat its own, so unexpected new sounds can > apppear. > > > > > Hi Jan, > > Can you give me a title list on this show? was it the same as the rest of > > the tour? > > Cheers, johnc in SB > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan J Noorda" > > To: "Ideal Copy" > > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:37 PM > > Subject: [idealcopy] Paradiso Amsterdam gig on internet > > > > > > > Perhaps I was not very clear by mentioning fabchannel, but the gig Wire > > did > > > at the Paradiso in Amsterdam can still be viewed on this site > > > http://www.fabchannel.com. Search in the archive for W(ire). > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is > believed to be clean. > - -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:40:38 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke >yes..there is a new album coming out...Graeme Rowland posted something >about >it months ago..the title seems to be changing all the time though.. /The title I heard was "The end of the world show"..(probably from Graeme's posting on here, actually). What's the latest candidate for a title, then? And you *could* ask Jaz about the nature of the Lorely show, Robert: there's no info on the CD insert, beyond when it was recorded (i.e. on the 'Night Time' tour)......DW _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:56:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/17/03 10:41:46 AM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: << /The title I heard was "The end of the world show"..(probably from Graeme's posting on here, actually). What's the latest candidate for a title, then? >> Armageddon and Apocalypse have been bandied about..and a couple of other that i can't remember RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:01:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > << Andy Gill, who has just produced the excellent new Killing Joke album... >> > > yes..there is a new album coming out...Graeme Rowland posted something about > it months ago..the title seems to be changing all the time though.. There are, as such, two new Killing Joke albums out. One is The Unperverted Pantomime, which for most part is a remaster of what was originally a live bootleg, plus (i think) a single and a radio session added to it. The "real" new album is self titled, originally titled The Death & Resurrection Show, which is the title of the opening track. The first single and accompanying video are already out in promotional form (BBC One did the first airing two weeks ago). www.killingjoke.com opened yesterday, they have samples and maybe even the video. b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Band names Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:45:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "unusual" band names list > >> John Cougar Concentrationcamp ///// A touch of the Python's word association footbal hooligans about that... Love it! Though my current fave is Karl Marx & Spencers... Wonder what's happened to Sorry, Kevin who got a mention here a while back! ///// One of my favourites from way back (79/80), was Some Of My Best Friends Are Canadians, heard on Peel. Then of course there's Dublin's very own Joan Of Arse. Fergus "I believe in the noble aristicratic art of doing absolutely nothing, and someday I hope to be in a position when I can do even less" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:28:23 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "unusual" band names list >>> So far: >>> The Strangulated Beatoffs >>> Crucifux dunno if a recent(ish) band has taken on that name, but if they're referring to the wisconsin band on alternative tentacles back in the '80s, it's crucifuCKS. best known for the incomparable "hinckley had a vision," highlighted by the passage "teach me how to pray, good christian -- if it works you'll all be dead ... they make me want to chop off the president's head & mail it to them in a garbage bag." >>> The Very Idea Of Fucking Hitler local phoenix act back when i lived out there, but never did see them ... >>> The Dayglo Abortions of "feed us a foetus" (in)fame, of course. dan, who never did pursue his vague notions of forming a band called foetus smoothie ... would've sounded like i was copping from jim thirlwell, anyway. >>> The Sick Fucks >>> Anal Cunt >>> Torsofuck >>> Meat Shits >>> Violent Anal Death >>> John Cougar Concentrationcamp >>> Nipple Erectors >> Ed > >>>> hehehe... I'll see what more i can come up with. >>>> Bart > >On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: >> oh boy... take a look at this: http://www.brainwashed.com/bandnames >> :-/ > > Thank you Bart. But will any of this really matter? >http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emke/exitmundi.htm > "What you believe is what happens when you die." - Graham Lewis (He >Said) > > Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:43:16 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "unusual" band names list >>>> The Sick Fucks & of course it was SIC fucks (best known for "chop up your mother," probably) ... dan, an editor in his spare time, too ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:50:06 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] No More Heroes anymore - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme > Stranglers without Hugh Cornwall for me are a bit like Wire without Colin, > but I can imagine it's nice the witness the others playing live again. > > Bart I don't think The Stranglers ever ceased operations after Cornwell departed - just went very low profile and continued on the downward quality spiral (that's maybe unfair as I've only heard one post Cornwell album - though it *was* pretty bad). I saw them in about '98 in Liverpool, and they could still cut it live - but it wasn't the same as the Cornwell days ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:11:44 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! >Then of course there's Dublin's very own Joan Of Arse. > >Fergus and carrying on the theme...i hope that the infamous Arse Gravy and Arse Destroyer made it into that list.... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! Check this out for a crap name. In 1979, I was in a band called 'The Sterile Andriods Of Mass Production'. Norm - --- ian s jackson wrote: > >Then of course there's Dublin's very own Joan Of > Arse. > > > >Fergus > > and carrying on the theme...i hope that the infamous > Arse Gravy and Arse > Destroyer made it into that list.... > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN > Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: [idealcopy] BFD2003 - San Francisco 13 June. Went to this gig last Friday. Highlights for me (gets ready to duck!) were. Interpol White Stripes The Transplants Hot Hot Heat Foo Fighters Disappointments wer The Donnas A.F.I The Deftones Who were just Nu-Metal with short haircuts. I know I am going to get some stick for saying Interpol were good but I actually like 'em. Off to Wire at The Great American Hall next monday!! Norm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:07:19 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:(but easily be brought back on) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > but going back to the linn drum raising the question "where's the > drummer?"... how did those idealcopyists who had seen wire live with robert feel (try to > separate sentimentality from musical criticism) when they saw wir? was the > trio a strong enough stage presence? musically, did it feel like something was > missing? or did anyone just miss robert cuz robert wasn't there? > > -paul c.d. I saw Wire on the Manscape tour at Manchester University in 1990. We were puzzled by the absence of a drum kit, and even part way into the gig were still half expecting that RG would turn up and be involved in some capacity. To the question Where's Robert? Colin Newman tersely replied 'Walking the dog'. I was with a few mates , amongst whom opinion on the gig was sharply divided. I enjoyed it immensely as did others; others thought they were killed by technology overload, and at least one thought they were overly irreverant and condescending towards the audience. Very little on the positive/negative feedback was related to the absence of RG. I didn't miss him and was less peturbed by his absence than I might have been had any of the other three been absent. Not wanting to denigrate his contribution, but it seemed less indispensible to the material at that stage (and I'm a Manscape fan) than to the current stuff. Certainly live these days I think there'd be less impact with Wir plus drum tracks. Ian B np Tram - A Kind of Closure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:18:25 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke In a message dated 6/17/03 11:03:45 AM, t23@mother.brap.dk writes: << The "real" new album is self titled, originally titled The Death & Resurrection Show, which is the title of the opening track. The first single and accompanying video are already out in promotional form (BBC One did the first airing two weeks ago). >> Yeah I just got the new album. Jaz, Geordie, and Youth are on it. Dave Grohl plays drums. Ten songs: amazing. Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:12:16 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! In a message dated 6/17/03 3:18:15 PM Central Daylight Time, nfasey@yahoo.com writes: > Check this out for a crap name. In 1979, I was in a > band called 'The Sterile Andriods Of Mass Production'. > > Norm > Norm, please...don't insult me (in my best George Costanza voice)..for it is i , who was in a band with ultra-crap (no pun intended) name of: Count 21 , The Vampire of Dogshit....(a VERY long story) RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! OK, George (says Norm with his best Kramer voice) you win Pal! - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/17/03 3:18:15 PM Central > Daylight Time, nfasey@yahoo.com > writes: > > > Check this out for a crap name. In 1979, I was in > a > > band called 'The Sterile Andriods Of Mass > Production'. > > > > Norm > > > > Norm, please...don't insult me (in my best George > Costanza voice)..for it is > i , who was in a band with ultra-crap (no pun > intended) name of: > > Count 21 , The Vampire of Dogshit....(a VERY long > story) > > RL > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:16:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 Superflyww9@aol.com wrote: > Yeah I just got the new album. Jaz, Geordie, and Youth are on it. Dave Grohl > plays drums. Ten songs: amazing. Oh, but so is Paul Raven, he plays on three songs, Youth plays on most of the rest and Geordie plays bass on one or two songs (!), Implant is one of them. Dave Grohl will not play on their upcoming European tour in August though, rumours have it that they will get Ted Parsons (Swans, Prong, Godflesh) in as skin beater. b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:32:57 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Wire in Chicago...questions unanswered! ok..i posted this a few days back..and NONE of our Chicago Idealcopyists answered! what's up guys???!!! this IS a Wire list right??? c'mon!!! nobody has any info?? RObert Return-path: From: RLynn9@aol.com Full-name: RLynn 9 Message-ID: <68.3179c364.2c1bb886@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:30:14 EDT Subject: Wire in Chicago...questions questions questions To: idealcopy@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain ok..i haven't heard much about this...and it's next week! ... so i will pose the question to our boys in Chi-town... is the show(s?) still on? if so, what are the exact dates and times? AND locations?? i remember that they venue had been switched because of over booking... AND...is it sold out??? (i heard it was in a small venue) AND ....if it isn't sold out...can someone pick me up a ticket and send it to me immediately!?? ...i am having some credit card problems at the moment so i can't order online...i could paypal the money or send you a check.... please contact me offlist at rlynn9@aol.com THANK YOU! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:23:52 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band names/ARSE...!!! On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 04:25 PM, Norm Fasey wrote: > OK, George (says Norm with his best Kramer voice) you > win Pal! > --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 6/17/03 3:18:15 PM Central >> Daylight Time, nfasey@yahoo.com >> writes: >>> Check this out for a crap name. In 1979, I was in a >>> band called 'The Sterile Andriods Of Mass Production'. >>> Norm >> >> Norm, please...don't insult me (in my best George >> Costanza voice)..for it is >> i , who was in a band with ultra-crap (no pun >> intended) name of: >> Count 21 , The Vampire of Dogshit....(a VERY long >> story) >> RL Names duly noted and added. Thanks for the ongoing contributions. The list so far.....(I also started extracting names from the list Bart supplied : http://www.brainwashed.com/bandnames , but had other work to do. I'll keep it going at my leisure..... Leisure.....where can I get that? Ed The Strangulated Beatoffs Crucifux -or- crucifuCKS The Very Idea Of Fucking Hitler The Dayglo Abortions The Sick Fucks -or- SIC fucks Anal Cunt Torsofuck Meat Shits Violent Anal Death John Cougar Concentrationcamp Nipple Erectors Danse Asshole Connie Lingus & Dixon Cider (their motto was "We put the C*nt in Country...) Ruthie and the Date Rappers Anal Babes Anal Beard Barbers Anal Cunt Anal Genocide Anal Sadist Anal Sausage Anal Solvent Ancient Chinese Penis An Emotional Fish Accidental Goat Sodomy Admiral Poopy Pants and His Dancing Teeth Anus the Menace Asshole Parade Ass Ponys Assrash Ass Solvent Assuck Baby Shit Brown Barnyard Ballers Barnyard Slut Barney Rubble and the Cunt Stubble Batman and Asshole Bearded Clams Bearded Itchy Lover Beast Penis Ben Dover and the Screamers Ben Wa and the Blue Balls Big Ass Truck Big Balls and the Great White Idiot Big Bird's Turds Big Blow and the Bushwackers Big Daddy Cumbuckets Big Dick and the Extenders Bile Suckpump Bill Bixby's Big-Ass Communist Eighteen Wheeler Birth Hole Bitch Funky Sex Machine Bitch Slap Bitch Transmission Bitter Enemies/Butter Enemas Bizarr Sex Trio [sic] The Black Jewish Homosexual Experience Blast That Cock Bleeding Rectum Blew Willie Bloated Scrotum Bloody Stools Bloody Tongue and the Thalidomide Babies Blow Job Queen Blow Monkeys Blown Apart Bastards Blue Balls Deluxe Bob Barker's Sweaty Sack Bolt Upright and the Erections Bondage A Go Go Bonedaddys Boner Donors Bozo Porno Circus Bumgravy Bunchoffuckingoofs Buster Hymen & the Penetrators Butt Flux Butt Full of Dick Butt Jowl Picnic Butthole Surfers Butt Savages Buttsteak Butt Trumpet Castration Squad Cat Butt Cat Rapes Dog Celebrity Glass Eye Anal Beads Cheetah Chrome Motherfuckers Cherry Coke Enema Cherry Poppin' Daddies Chewbacca Plaid Cock Circle Jerks Clitoris That Thought It Was a Puppy Clitaurus Rex Clusterfuck Cock My Noodle Spew Cocknoose Cockpocalypse Colon On The Cob The Colon Sphyncter Band Colostomy Grab-Bag Crashland on Ass-Planet Cream of Whoop-Ass Soup Crew Slut Crybabies With Brassholes Crystal Shit Cycle Sluts From Hell Cum Dumpster The Cunning Runts Cunts With Attitude Daddy's Got the Biggest DebbieDoDog Decaying Testicles Deepthroat Shotgun Dennis Franz' Ass Diahrrea Juice and the Pepto Kids Dick Cheese and the Crackers Dick Delicious and the Tasty Testicles Dick Duck and the Dorks Dick Hurtz and the Screamin' Pee Pees The Dick Nixons Dickless The Dicks Dicky Retardo Did Lee Squat? Diet Christ Dildo Took a Taxi Dildo Warheads Dirty Dick and the Trojan Test Pilots Dirty Girl Scout The Do I Look Like I Give a Fucks Dogfuckers Doggy Style Dog Shit Rangers Donkeyfart Arse Gravy Arse Destroyer Count 21 , The Vampire of Dogshit Joan Of Arse The Sterile Andriods Of Mass Production ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:35:15 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke Hmmm... I wonder how they got Grohl... did they meet through the lawsuit proceedings? Sounds like a good line up, including Dave on drums. cheers! - -fernando At 02:16a +0200 06.18.2003, Bo Krogsgaard wrote: >On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 Superflyww9@aol.com wrote: > >> Yeah I just got the new album. Jaz, Geordie, and Youth are on it. Dave Grohl >> plays drums. Ten songs: amazing. > >Oh, but so is Paul Raven, he plays on three songs, Youth plays on most of >the rest and Geordie plays bass on one or two songs (!), Implant is one of >them. > >Dave Grohl will not play on their upcoming European tour in August though, >rumours have it that they will get Ted Parsons (Swans, Prong, Godflesh) in >as skin beater. > > >b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:53:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/Killing Joke On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, fernando wrote: > Hmmm... I wonder how they got Grohl... did they meet through the > lawsuit proceedings? http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/page1.jpg http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/page2.jpg http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/page3a.jpg Interview with Jaz Coleman and Dave Grohl from April. That's all i know. b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:24:43 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Hanns Eisler Site To compliment, argue, and in general, stir things up, giluz's post: E-mail message Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org From: giluzzz@fastmail.fm (giluz) Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2003, 11:45pm (CDT+7) To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Hanns Eisler Site If anyone's interested in this revolutionary German musician who is most famous for his long-time collaboration with Brecht and is one of the strongest influences on Henry Cow - both in musical and philosophical sense. Eisler was also a theoretician and his views about music and politics should interest anyone who thinks music is an art and not just entertainment. His book with Theodor Adorno (Frankfurt School theoretician, one of the pioneers of culture criticism), 'Composing For Film', is also very interesting, not only for musicians. This excellent site - http://eislermusic.com - has it all, including streaming audio extracts. If you're interested in trying out Eisler's music, I'd recommend: Dagmar Krause (Henry Cow/Slapp happy/ Art Bears/Duck & Cover singer) has two excellent albums - 'Supply and Demand' is a collection of Brecht songs composed by Eisler and Kurt Weill, while 'Tank Battles' is dedicated solely to the music of Eisler. Heiner Goebbels (Cassiber/Duck & Cover) - Eislermaterial - I already recommended this CD on the list. cheers giluz __________________________________ As I can not fully experience the Eisler link above with this lame webtv (this type audio can not be played), I want to comment on the power of music as I've drawn from giluz's post itself. Whatever our choice in music we hear, it is our soundtrack of life. Most music 50's thru JFK's death sounds to me entertaining in the dancing and date-in-the-backseat sense. When Vietnam was everyday, the political, philisophical, theoretical, and art style of music was what was happening. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young - Ohio / Beatles - All you need is love / Zager & Evans - (in the year) 2525 / Mason Williams - Classical gas are the 1st examples (in order) that come to mind. From lyrics of Bob Dylan when he could be understood, those times were a changin'. Skipping thru & ahead, I view music today more "tribal" than ever ... t-shirts, stickers, posters, and the "ominous low bass" car crash set are the normal. Bands seem to be releasing the latest social contortions up the flagpole and whom in bondage can salute to free themselves of their cash. Is this filling a void, a pitiful repent, or what? Hey, if it's fun, has direction and meaning in life's thread ... it's probably part of our "soundtrack' already. Just some seeds of thought 'cause you ain't seen nothin' yet! The Chapman Stick mentioned recently surprises me so few use it; sitars are more common. A 'Ravi Chapman' or 'Jimi Stick' type person(s) will come along with whatever band name -not from any list- and blow the blues away with the magoos. Great potential! However, on route Chapman Stick research gone sidetracked lead to Yaakov Kirschen who conceived software called music creator. As the following (lengthy read) link mentions that this software stores the chords, melodies (pitch), and durations of familiar works. Say 3 works, X, Y, & Z are chosen. "Composing" in essence involves applying Z's rhythm, for example, to Y's melody, and this combination is then draped over X's chords. Other permutatons of these variables are possible. The program transposes the melody if necessary to fit with new harmonies. http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/history.html source: http://arts.ucsc.edu/main/cope/aim.html This is closest to the musical math (as digitized bytes / algorithms) description / solution in what a computer can do. Dinbot, Bastardpop, and whatever remixes are one thing (some are excellent gems!), however, a computer should be able to dissect, isolate, and store everything to be rebuilt elsewhere. Each instrument, vocal, or sound would have it's own 'fingerprint' and threadline in bytes. Take any 2, 3, or however many songs, slice & dice / mix & match ... whatever. Apply / assign different instruments & vocals with whatever or whoever in precision exchange (or mutation). If an artificial musical intellegence intervenes, who knows ... move over Jimi, let arti take over. Arti Intel could shift, for farout example, Jimi's guitar thread to sitar, bongos, xylophone, voice, theramin, or probably anything available. Time and pitch are compressed / expanded as desired. Samplers & emulators, as this ICer understands, can handle 1 thread at a time. This dream machine could handle many threads with the ability to balance desired effects / results all at once (or one by one, 2x1, 10x1, whatever x ?). If I had the deluxe version of this device, I would enter #1 songs from the last ? years, press the 'Go Arti' button, and be very curious of the number of threadlines & changes arti intel decided to use. + or - thread feature to taste. Now depending on Arti's IQ, what recognition to word / grammer threadlines would evolve ...? Kinda Stanley Kubrick 2001, isn't it Dave! Regards, Hal er, voyteck ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #178 *******************************