From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #176 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT] No More Heroes anymore [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fwd:O.T Dave Allen's Blog [Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] No More Heroes anymore > Nice Memories: We had in the early eighties a radio-programm in the > Netherlands called Raufaser and everyone who knows that programm knows it > ended with Princess of the Street by the Stranglers. Especially the bass piece > by Burnell. Bart do you still know that programm? Yeah I do. Good show. Forgot who presented it. Was it Marjoke Roorda? Stranglers without Hugh Cornwall for me are a bit like Wire without Colin, but I can imagine it's nice the witness the others playing live again. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:08:30 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT Just seen OGWT '84-'85 REM were as good as I remember, Cocteaux as embarassing, and Bragg as crap as I remember. But the revelation was Everything but the Girl. I thought they were wimpy acoustic slop, but that "Frost and Fire" was teriffic, with the jazzy guitar and Doors hammond organ. Were they usually that good ? (P.S. apologies to IdealCopy listees outside the UK. You must get fed up with us Brits going on about this mediocre series from our great broadcasting corporation. You probably always had lots of good music on TV and can't understand why we had to be so grateful for what little we could get.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:31:01 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT In a message dated 6/15/03 12:07:48 PM, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: >You probably always had lots of good music on TV you are kidding, right? i would've given my eye teeth to have the music you had on television. our viewing was always restricted to late night shows and was very chancey whether there'd be anything decent at all. how i wish i could've seen an emabarrassing cocteau twins on tv. the best i ever did was the tmc-song to the siren video on mtv's late night show 120 minutes. what was bad about it anyway, and what song did they do? as for ebtg, i never got to see them live, nor marine girls, but would imagine them to be quite enjoyable. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:42:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT In a message dated 6/15/03 11:31:58 AM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > i never got to see them > live, nor marine girls, but would imagine them to be quite enjoyable. > > i've seen the Cocteaus once in Chicago and once here in St. Louis...they were phenominal...gave me the shivers.... speaking of shows...i missed Melt-Banana at a local pub ....i had to support a good friend's debut show at another venue....but i heard they rocked the house.... Sonic Youth show is nearing as well as the Human League....which i am betting will be cancelled due to poor ticket sales....these retro-80's shows never sell well...especially here in the mid-west...(i.e Soft Cell's entire tour cancelled) do the Cocteaus remasters actually sound that much better? Happy Father's Day to all Ideal Copyist fathers...may your chosen mate and offspring treat you well Robert who's been watching too much Animal Planet Lynn (how's that for a middle name o' jedi master?) np - Ultramarine "Companion" (Thanks Tim!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:42:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT In a message dated 6/15/03 12:14:20 PM Central Daylight Time, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: > Although I loved their music, I always found them embarassing live.>>> i didn't...i found it to be quite emotional and chilling > Liz always looked like a shy girl who didn't want to be there. Sometimes > she looked like she could start crying...>>>> that's part of the charm...the fragility > It served to emphasize the inaudible meaningless lyrics. Whereas, > listening to the records, you could just imagine.>>>> what would hinder the imagining process in a live setting? > Also, the Linn Drum machine makes you want to ask "Where's the drummer ?">> > > i never thought to ask that question when i listened to their records, so there was no reason to ask it when i saw them live....i thought it was kind of enjoyable to see Guthrie set the drum patterns in between songs... (i am also of the firm belief that Echo and the Bunnymen went slightly downhill after Echo left the group) here in St. Louis, the Cocteau twins were Guthrie, Raymonde, and Fraser on stage (of course) but also had 3 or 4 other guitarists on stage too...that was quite a sight (as well as sound)..and the fact that the show took place in the old American Theatre only added to it ....a beautiful old concert hall with great sound... Robert-whose little brother would have been 31 today-Lynn np - Count 23 "Dove's Dung" (an old cassette of four track recordings that my brothers and i made waaaay back in 1986. in those days we fancied ourselves as a quasi-industrial dance band like Front 242 and Skinny Puppy...so most of our songs sampled tv-evangelists as well as military speeches and lots of doom and gloom...we coulda' been on Wax Trax dammit!..makes me laugh, smile, and cry all at the same time...those were good times, even if we didn't know it at the time) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd:O.T Dave Allen's Blog Tracy Angelina wrote:To: Shriekback Yo Here's something you guys might be interested in. http://squall.blogspot.com/ Peace, Angelina "You see what power is - holding someone else's fear in your hand and showing it to them!" ~Amy Tan Shriekback Digital Conspiracy My Live Journal Yahoo! 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Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jason Rogers Sent: 14 June 2003 18:16 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ANARCHY IN THE USA! >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:25:23 +0100 >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: [idealcopy] ANARCHY IN THE USA! >ANARCHY IN THE USA! >Punk veterans THE SEX PISTOLS are to tour North America this summer. > >The legendary outfit have confirmed two shows for August, and are expected >to >announce more dates in the coming weeks. > >The band's original line-up - Lydon (vocals), Steve Jones (guitar), Paul >Cook >(drums) and Glen Matlock (bass) - play Jones Beach Theater in Wantagh, New >York on August 21 and Toronto Molson Ampitheater on August 25. This is cool. I personally wish that Lydon would get Public Image Ltd. together for a tour (and remaster the PiL catalogue while they're at it), but I'd jump at the chance to see Sex Pistols if they come play to us rednecks down here Georgia or elsewhere in the Southeast. I became a fan of the Sex Pistols back in 1986, which is a bit late in the game, so one of these concerts would be a good time. Now, if Husker Du would only get back together and tour, things would be complete again. Jason Now Playing: Radiohead - Hail To The Thief (This is a good Radiohead effort, even for a conservative pro-globalization person such as myself.) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:25:34 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 vinyl + Wire Lyrics From: Ian B > Flicking through a local record shop W vinyl section to see if the PF Redux > had been sold the other day I came across a vinyl 154. Oddly, the cover > actually carries the band name and title on the front, which otherwise > appears the same as > my own copy, as well as all other copies I've ever seen. > > Anybody else ever seen this? I have one. US release from Warner Bros 1979. Has the track list (and a bunch of copyright fine print) on the back side. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:13:15 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EBTG on OGWT In a message dated 6/15/03 12:43:52 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 6/15/03 11:31:58 AM Central Daylight Time, >Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > >> i never got to see them >> live, nor marine girls, but would imagine them to be quite enjoyable. >> >> > >i've seen the Cocteaus once in Chicago and once here in St. Louis...they >were >phenominal...gave me the shivers.... indeed. i've seen them 3 times, all fantastic. everything but the girl is the band i regret not seeing... >speaking of shows...i missed Melt-Banana at a local pub being a new yorker, married with children and living outside the city, i get loads of opportunities to miss shows :o( most recently, i missed the rapture. sigur ros is who i really wish i hadn't missed back in november... >Happy Father's Day to all Ideal Copyist fathers...may your chosen mate >and >offspring treat you well ditto. i know i'll be spending my gift at a record store soon! >Robert who's been watching too much Animal Planet Lynn (how's that for >a >middle name o' jedi master?) not bad at all :o) have you watched that pet stars show? kinda like the gong show for animals, but without the gong...or chuck barris. - -paul (first it was foodtv, now it's hgtv...i'd better cut down a little) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:41:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ctwins OT (but easily be brought back on) In a message dated 6/15/03 1:42:56 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >here in St. Louis, the Cocteau twins were Guthrie, Raymonde, and Fraser >on >stage (of course) but also had 3 or 4 other guitarists on stage too...that >was >quite a sight (as well as sound) i saw this lineup as well, but the first time i saw them it was just the trio with a reel to reel center stage. that was a really cool visual too. i also agree with everything robert said about their live image. liz pulling at her fingers on stage is almost as sweet a memory as her voice on record. i'm reminded of an article (i can't remember where or when i read it though, sorry) about those types of female singers and how there is such a strong attraction for male fans that goes back to the knight in shining armor coming to the rescue of the maiden kind of fantasy many of us have. kristen hersh was mentioned in the same article, as well as a few others i can't recall. but going back to the linn drum raising the question "where's the drummer?"... how did those idealcopyists who had seen wire live with robert feel (try to separate sentimentality from musical criticism) when they saw wir? was the trio a strong enough stage presence? musically, did it feel like something was missing? or did anyone just miss robert cuz robert wasn't there? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #176 *******************************