From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #173 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 13 2003 Volume 06 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville [Bart van Damme ] AW: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... [Woerner Frank-Juergen ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville [fernando ] [idealcopy] murder global ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad ["Mark Short" ] RE: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] murder global [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville Any of you Brits going to (Factory designer) Peter Saville's retrospective in the London Design Museum? I would love to see this. Starts next monday. http://www.designmuseum.org Apparently the designer featuring in the 24-Hour-Harty-People film was based on Saville (the dvd-version even has a separate Saville gallery on it). Bart ================================================================ One of the most important designers working today, Peter Saville has been a central figure in design and style culture for the 25 years since he became creative director of the fledgeling Factory record label in late 1970s Manchester. As well as designing iconic graphics for bands such as Joy Division and New Order, Saville has created equally influential fashion images for Yohji Yamamoto, John Galliano at Christian Dior and Stella McCartney. With a spectacular installation by the architect Lindy Roy and a soundtrack by New Order, this exhibition will draw on Peter Saville's private archive to trace his career from his first Factory poster in 1977 to his recent multimedia experiments. Supported by VH1. New Order's specially recorded soundtrack for The Peter Saville Show will be available on CD from the Design Museum - shop@designmuseum.org - for #10 from 16 June. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:54:14 +0200 From: Woerner Frank-Juergen Subject: AW: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... - -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Eardrumbuz@aol.com [mailto:Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Mai 2003 07:38 An: idealcopy@smoe.org Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... In a message dated 5/10/03 12:49:34 AM, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: >http://www.cc.ntut.edu.tw/~584ce047/05.swf > >Thank you Bart!!!!!!!!! >I needed that. >I'm still wiping the tears from my eye. - -at least you have an eye to wipe! poor guy...bart, where'd you find that one? - -i tried going elswhere on that site to see if there were more and it turns - -out to be the taipei university web site. i suppose a student was able to - -post that video. Hi, There are at least 03.swf and 04.swf which are also really "bloody". Regards, frankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:49:44 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville This has been going on for a few weeks now... late May, I believe. I caught the exhibit on 1 June. It is worth it for the documentation of his inspiration/borrowing... and to see the stuff outside of Factory/music. Too bad the CD was not available then... it is just instrumentals (similar to The Happy One song), but wonder if I can make it on my overnight coming up in a couple of weekends. I guess New Order is getting back on Saville for being late with his sleeves, by being late with the CD... - -fernando At 11:21a +0200 06.12.2003, Bart van Damme wrote: >Any of you Brits going to (Factory designer) Peter Saville's retrospective >in the London Design Museum? I would love to see this. Starts next monday. > >http://www.designmuseum.org > >Apparently the designer featuring in the 24-Hour-Harty-People film was based >on Saville (the dvd-version even has a separate Saville gallery on it). > >Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:46:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] murder global I know there's a few (early) PIL fans amongst us here, so I thought the following might be of interest. For those of you haven't read Uncut mag, each month it features a 'I thought you were dead!' section where they catch up on folk that you may not have heard of for some time. This months subject is Keith Levine... And it's a strange little article. "I couldn't care less if Joe's dead" he says in relation to Mr Strummer. "And there's a reason for that." Apparently, JS pretended he didn't know Levine last time they met. He then goes onto talk about his current project Murder Global, though he sounds a bit confused to be honest. One minute he's saying he's 45 and doesn't even want to be doing this because he wants to be a film director, the next he's saying he wouldn't be doing this if he didn't think it was worth it. The Murder Global's Killer in the Crowd ep apparently came out last Sept so it may have been mentioned here before, but if not, it's available at www.murderglobal.com . The download samples aren't really long enough, but they sound OK. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:41:58 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity Bill: Trumans Water //////////////////////// Any links to what they sound like? What does the name refer to. It has peaked my interest as my son is named Truman (after Capote). ////////////////////////// Kevin Branstetter says 99.9 sounds like Nine Inch nails /////////////////////////// That's grasping at straws and subsequently trying to mash said straw in a tiny square hole Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:54:07 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - happytreefriends Can I conclude here that we're just a bunch of sick fucks? ;-) Bart (can't get that HTF-tune out of my head) http://www.happytreefriends.com/watch_episodes >>>> http://www.cc.ntut.edu.tw/~584ce047/05.swf >>> Thank you Bart!!!!!!!!! >>> I needed that. >>> I'm still wiping the tears from my eye. >> at least you have an eye to wipe! poor guy...bart, where'd you find that >> one? i tried going elswhere on that site to see if there were more and it >> turns out to be the taipei university web site. i suppose a student was >> able to post that video. > Hi, > There are at least 03.swf and 04.swf which are also really "bloody". > Regards, > frankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:53:19 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: (OT Pip Pyle) / Recent Wire Lyrics My friend tells me Pyle hasn't done much of late but had "a little band in America". He suggests anyone interested should check the Calyx ("Canterbury" music) website; perso.club-internet.fr/calyx/ Back on topic, what do people make of Wire's current lyrics ? From what I can hear they are the least interesting of all periods of the band and the only thing about the current band that I could call disappointing. Is it a co-incidence that Send doesn't have a lyric sheet ? Almost all the others do. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:04:15 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville Hi Bart et al A factory-mad foaf sent me this http://www.cerysmatic.clara.net/Factory/saville6.html I'll certainly be checking it out later A > >Any of you Brits going to (Factory designer) Peter Saville's > retrospective > >in the London Design Museum? I would love to see this. > Starts next monday. > > > > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:31:32 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 07:41 America/Detroit, Eric Klaver wrote: > Bill: > Trumans Water > //////////////////////// > > Any links to what they sound like? What does the name refer to. It has > peaked my interest as my son is named Truman (after Capote). > > Eric in Toronto hi eric! i thought the band's name referred to the US government's program of fluoridating public water systems, which i believe began around 1946 (i.e., the Truman administration). famously referred to in Kubrick's 'Dr. Strangelove' -- 'how's that for your post-war commie conspiracy!' but i had never heard of the band before & have no idea whether this is the actual source of the name. is there a wire show in Tronna this time? if not, you making a trip to the states? - -kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:29:52 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dif Juz In a message dated 12/06/2003 08:52:10 GMT Daylight Time, mark.mcquitty@siemens.com writes: > Are you calling Dif Juz prog Chris? Or am I missing the thread. A misunderstanding certainly.No way would I call them Prog Rock.I was thinking of Another The Keiths reference to Led Zeppelin & his reading of The Rotters Club where many Prog Rock Bands are mentioned. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:26:55 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] "unusual" band names list From: Ed Special Date: Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:25:22 AM US/Pacific To: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - happytreefriends On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 04:54 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: > Can I conclude here that we're just a bunch of sick fucks? ;-) Ha! I was just contributing a few "unusual" band names to a list at WCBN. The Sick Fucks, and The Dayglo Abortions with "Fuck! My Shit Stinks!" were two that I recall. Maybe we could compile a list to share with WCBN (a local freeform radio station where I've been for over twenty years) offlist is fine since this is a bit off topic . . . edspecial@digitalrealm.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:37:27 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 07:31 AM, k erickson wrote: > On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 07:41 America/Detroit, Eric Klaver wrote: > >> Bill: >> Trumans Water >> //////////////////////// >> >> Any links to what they sound like? What does the name refer to. It has >> peaked my interest as my son is named Truman (after Capote). >> >> Eric in Toronto > > hi eric! i thought the band's name referred to the US government's > program of fluoridating public water systems, which i believe began > around 1946 (i.e., the Truman administration). famously referred to in > Kubrick's 'Dr. Strangelove' -- 'how's that for your post-war commie > conspiracy!' but i had never heard of the band before & have no idea > whether this is the actual source of the name. > > is there a wire show in Tronna this time? if not, you making a trip to > the states? > -kristoph check out a few stories on fluoridating public water systems: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=ISO-8859- 1&q=fluoridating+public+water+atomic&btnG=Google+Search&lr=lang_en Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:39:08 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT:Money spines, balanced plank, Chapman's laughter in the bank At 04:30 12/06/03 -0400, Bart wrote: >Perhaps for a lot of you the Chapmans spoiled the Barbican gig a bit and >from what I understood I wasn't convinced by their contribution either, but >I must say I do like their (own) work very much. I was blown away by their >restrospective in the Groninger Museum half a year ago. >http://www.groninger-museum.nl (english/search). > >Their work has depth, edge and a fine sence of humour. Indeed. Although I haven't seen nearly enough, I'm keen to see more...which is true of precious few of their peers, sadly. The sense of humour is what most appeals to me, I think. It seems to me that they're capable of being daft, baffling, clever and thoroughly pig-headed at the same time, and that's a combination that fuels many of the things that I'm fond of. Somehow, there's something about them that reminds me of "Father Ted". It's quite possible that there's something about *everything* that reminds me of "Father Ted", mind you.... And to re-iterate an old mail, I really rather enjoyed their contribution to the Barbican show. It struck me as being very much in the right spirit - - that is, it gently undermined the "Pink Flag" monument for those of us wishing to see such things, but it didn't do it in a way that stopped anyone from enjoying the set. And the finale was absolutely bloody stunning. Quite frankly, I care not a jot whether they were paid a couple of packets of cheese and onion crisps or a seven figure sum for it. Value for money isn't really the point, surely? Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:24:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville > This has been going on for a few weeks now... late May, I believe. You're right Fernando, Monday the 16th was about the release of the New Order cd... my mistake. > I caught the exhibit on 1 June. It is worth it for the documentation of > his inspiration/borrowing... and to see the stuff outside of > Factory/music. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze in a little visit to London this summer. Are there any London gigs to go along with it the coming months? > Too bad the CD was not available then... it is just instrumentals > (similar to The Happy One song), but wonder if I can make it on my > overnight coming up in a couple of weekends. I guess New Order is > getting back on Saville for being late with his sleeves, by being > late with the CD... > -fernando I think you can order the NO cd (#10) at the site's "e-shop": shop@designmuseum.org Bart >> Any of you Brits going to (Factory designer) Peter Saville's retrospective >> in the London Design Museum? I would love to see this. Starts next monday. >> >> http://www.designmuseum.org >> >> Apparently the designer featuring in the 24-Hour-Harty-People film was based >> on Saville (the dvd-version even has a separate Saville gallery on it). >> >> Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:55:57 +0100 From: "Mark Short" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad > I've got Naked Shakespeare but it doesn't work for me, even though I > generally like that arty type of rock. I like his work with Slapp Happy > though - saw them live a few years back in an unexpected reunion. > > I believe he's doing work with Andy Partridge at present. > > Another the Keith > He also did an album with John Greaves (Henry Cow bassist) Kew Rhone which is quite good, not as twiddly-prog as most Henry Cow material. Mark S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:08:09 +0100 From: "Mark Short" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rotters' Club > Oh God .Another The Keith has struck again.I am reading The Rotters Club > right now.It's thoroughly enjoyable & encapsulates the Brown world of the 1970's & > growing up as a teenager as we all were perfectly.It's set in the West > Midlands & mentions Barclay James Harvest on the first page.I think the music paper > I used to get Sounds is mentioned on the second.Just sheer nostalgia but with > a very funny & well written novel as its mouthpiece.Highly recommended stuff. > Chris > NP Stereolab - Cobra & Phases Group Play Voltage In The Milky Night > > The Rotters' Club is indeed excellent, but not quite up there with "What A Carve Up!". The book seems to argue that punk rock embodied the spirit of Thatcherism, whereas progressive rock represented a kinder, gentler, but paternalistic Britain.I don't know if that's an especially original view of his, but I hadn't considered punk in that way before. Mark S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:28:18 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad Yes, I have Kew Rhone, which is the apotheosis of 'rock as intellectual puzzle' in my book. Despite rarely listening to it these days I still find myself running some of its lyrics through my head due to heavy exposure nearly 30 years ago e.g. (and these are disturbingly in my head right now)- "...the assertion - ambiguity can't be measured like a change in temperature" "angels fucking shed light" One song was based around a drawing of various objects on the sleeve IIRC - "something something in four dimensions - see figure B". Not an album for the masses [1] I fear although I really liked it at the time as you may have gathered if you're still awake. Another the Keith [1] To use a Walkingshaw-style footnote, I always found that Henry Cow's musical style rather worked against their plainly heartfelt call to the masses to rise up and seize the means of production, as the masses clearly weren't listening to what Mark S only slightly unfairly refers to below as 'twiddly-prog'. This I suspect is why this country is in the state it is. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Short Sent: 12 June 2003 22:56 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Off Topic...Peter Blegvad > I've got Naked Shakespeare but it doesn't work for me, even though I > generally like that arty type of rock. I like his work with Slapp Happy > though - saw them live a few years back in an unexpected reunion. > > I believe he's doing work with Andy Partridge at present. > > Another the Keith > He also did an album with John Greaves (Henry Cow bassist) Kew Rhone which is quite good, not as twiddly-prog as most Henry Cow material. Mark S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:33:08 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Saville Bart, there is so much good stuff on in London at the moment virtually every night of the week that you should be able to find something whenever you come over (although traditionally things go quieter in August). Once you firm up dates I'll dig something out for you. Although it should be said that Sigur Ros are allegedly playing the Union Chapel on 2 or 3 August (when I'm away). And wasn't there a suggestion that Wire may be doing a summer gig? another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Maybe I'll be able to squeeze in a little visit to London this summer. Are there any London gigs to go along with it the coming months? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:23:13 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Pub Quiz Question... Just flicked over and caught a bit of Whistle Test. Who was the dodgy jazz-funk-fusion band waiting for Acid Jazz to happen years early? They had two frontmen, one much smaller than the other, The seemed to be singing 'Gun Law'(?), and they had Donald Johnson from A Certain Ratio guesting on the drums. (this was 1984/85) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:32:52 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] murder global You know, it's funny you should mention this as I just received an email from Keith L. about the ep and a new compilation he is putting together. Only 20 pounds!!! Wot a bargin. I'm kidding. + he'll only take pounds sterling. No $$, no credit cards, no paypal. I have no way to get a hold of pounds. MM - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > I know there's a few (early) PIL fans amongst us > here, so I thought the > following might be of interest. > > For those of you haven't read Uncut mag, each month > it features a 'I thought > you were dead!' section where they catch up on folk > that you may not have > heard of for some time. This months subject is Keith > Levine... > > And it's a strange little article. "I couldn't care > less if Joe's dead" he > says in relation to Mr Strummer. "And there's a > reason for that." Apparently, > JS pretended he didn't know Levine last time they > met. He then goes onto talk > about his current project Murder Global, though he > sounds a bit confused to be > honest. One minute he's saying he's 45 and doesn't > even want to be doing this > because he wants to be a film director, the next > he's saying he wouldn't be > doing this if he didn't think it was worth it. > > The Murder Global's Killer in the Crowd ep > apparently came out last Sept so it > may have been mentioned here before, but if not, > it's available at > www.murderglobal.com . The download samples aren't > really long enough, but > they sound OK. > > Keith ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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