From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #168 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Slow Response / Boulevards Cancelled by Naughty Man ["Bill Hi] [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Slow Response / Boulevards Cancelled by Naughty Man I only check into this email twice a week at most these days, so if you are trying to contact me it might take a while for me to reply. Maybe someone has already passed on the bad news, which is sickening in the extreme considering that Matt Groening had probably put together the best festival line up ever. Fuck LA, move it to Manchester! The only way they could get 'a more attractive line up' would be to ask Bardo Pond, Thalia Zedek, Chris Brokaw, Dirty Three, Faust, Neubauten, Enon, Shellac & Trumans Water to play. Faust are rumoured to be playing their last ever gigs this summer... ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES LOS ANGELES POSTPONED FESTIVAL RESCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 26-28 The June 20-22 All Tomorrow's Parties festival in Los Angeles has been postponed to September 26-28. The event, to be curated by Matt Groening, has been moved due to slow ticket sales. The festival organizers hope to regroup with a more attractive lineup in September, which will most likely take place at the previously confirmed venues- the Hollywood Palladium, the Palace and the Henry Fonda Theatre. Many of the same artists confirmed for the June event will stay on the bill. The ATP sponsored Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds/Freakwater show slated for June 18th at the Hollywood Palladium remains intact. Refunds are available from points of purchase. For further info, go to www.atpfestival.com. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Too many fucking humans, you breed like rats and you're no fucking better" - - No Trend / Too Many Humans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:09:35 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Trumans Water in Three Feet O'Gravity It was good to see my old friends Trumans Wtare again after way too long, and they rocked probably the biggest crowd I've seen at a Tmesis gig. So I think I'll go to Leeds and see them again this evening and I can watch I'm Being Good without having to watch the door at the same time, which detracts from the experience a little. Trumans Water included old favourites Rations and Aroma of Gina Arnold (as requested by the guitarist of Tsuji Giri who is a big fan and was made up to be supporting them and who was also right down the front when WIRE played the Shellac ATP) and a surprise cover of Black Hole which I think was originally by the Urinals but which I know from covers by Leaving Trains and Yo La Tengo. After gig at my flat we got totally wasted whilst listening to Meat Puppets - Up On the Sun WIRE - Send Bardo Pond - On the Ellipse Kevin Branstetter says 99.9 sounds like Nine Inch nails. That's not good. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Replicator - R ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 04:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Graeme wrote......... Kevin Branstetter says 99.9 sounds like Nine Inch nails. That's not good. It is if you're a member of NIN..........VERY good in fact Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:56:34 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? > > > Morrissey secures album deal > > It's all happening... > snip... > And now a record deal. > > Big Mouth Strikes Again? Fingers crossed... Moz getting a record contract made Page 5 of The Guardian today. Not content with announcing the news, there was an editorial comment. People have finally got something good to say about him. As he is human and needs to be loved - just like everybody else does! - this can only be a good thing. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] ot:to get the best out of...... .......Dave Allen's site click on the > (or the < ) below the word buffering (top reight side) it'll give some darn good mp3"s to download.Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:19:06 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: schnass etc In a message dated 6/6/03 9:30:48 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << now rotating: Ulrich Schnauss - "A Strangely Isolated Place". (This is class.This sounds Like Cocteau Twins & Perfect Kiss-era New Order having a huge drugs and sex orgy. If he didn't have such a teutonic sounding name he'd be as big as Royksopp or that Lemon Jelly. ) >> Thanks for the recommendation Tim. Ended up getting that Royksopp CD the other day because I had a token for Sanity (nee Our Price - don't you just hate gift tokens?) and finding anything semi decent in there is a real problem. It is OK and has its moments, but like Lemonjelly, is not worth the acres of critical acclaim. There is much better stuff around in this genre - I've mentioned Isan before on this list and they are only one example of underpromoted, under-lauded electronica that goes beyond being wholefood cafe soundtrack fodder. Re Radiohead's performance on Later last night: I just so don't get it. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:some Brian Eno news............ BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 25px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}P.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman"}LI.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman"}From http://www.dtmgallery.com/ newsletter ENO EXCLUSIVE FOR DMG!!! BRIAN ENO - January 07003: Bell Studies For The Clock Of Long Now (Opal 02) This record has grown out of the Long Now Foundation's project - the Clock of the Long Now. This is an idea to create a working clock which will mark time for ten thousand years - not really because we need more clocks in the world, but because we need more encouragement to start contemplating the possibility of a distant human future. The Clock of the Long Now is an icon to long-term thinking. "When we started thinking about The Clock, we naturally wondered what kind of sound it could make to announce the passage of time. I had nurtured an interest in bells for many years, and this seemed like a good alibi for taking it a bit deeper. I began reading about bells, discovering the physics of their sounds, and became interested in thinking about what other sorts of bells might exist. My speculations quickly took me out of the bounds of current physical and material possibilities, but I considered some licence allowable since the project was conceived in a time scale of thousands of years, and I might therefore imagine bells with quite different physical properties from those we now know. And as I started trying to make bell sounds with my synthesizers, I got diverted by some of the more attractive failures." - Brian Eno All profits collected by the Long Now Foundation are used to fund continuing research and the unpaid costs of the first prototype of the working Clock now on permanent display at the Science Museum in London. This limited edition CD is only available from the Long Now Foundation, and, in an exclusive agreement, directly from us at DMG. "I've been waiting a long while for Eno to arrive at a new plateau in his "drift" work. For me, this is it!" - MannyLunch CD release for $25 Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:25:22 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: schnass etc In a message dated 6/7/03 7:20:40 AM Central Daylight Time, HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: > . Ended up getting that Royksopp CD the > other day because I had a token for Sanity (nee Our Price - don't you just > hate > gift tokens?) and finding anything semi decent in there is a real problem. > It > is OK and has its moments, but like Lemonjelly, is not worth the acres of > critical acclaim. There is much better stuff around in this genre - I've > mentioned Isan before on this list and they are only one example of > underpromoted, > under-lauded electronica that goes beyond being wholefood cafe soundtrack > fodder.>>> i agree....ISAN...Marumari...Mum...Static...Lo-Fish...Lali Puna..Hvratski...Four Tet...Swayzak...Phonem...Bernhard Fleischmann...Isolee....Ulrich Schnauss...Tarwater...To Rococo Rot...just to name a few (i like to think of them as the children of Cluster) , piss all over Royksopp and Lemonjelly..... RL > > Re Radiohead's performance on Later last night: I just so don't get it. > > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:31:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Radiohead (not getting it) In a message dated 6/7/03 7:20:40 AM Central Daylight Time, HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: > Re Radiohead's performance on Later last night: I just so don't get it. > > i never have.... RL np- Roger Doyle - "Babel" volume 1 (an ambitious project of many volumes..Doyle imagined that the Tower of Babel became the centre of culture and civilisation..so, it MUST have it's own radio station...this cd is an hour of broadcasting from the station!..a dj spins the platters that matter... there are also hilarious short commercial and promo spots...very imaginitive and interesting stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:33:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: schnass etc > Re Radiohead's performance on Later last night: I just so don't get it. > > Howard Thought their first number - the single There there - was excellent. A great version, and the best thing on the show IMO, at which point I was thinking I'll have to get the album. But then the rest didn't particularly grab me at all. I'm not a Billy Corgan fan, but Zwan did a decent enough version of the rather good Honestly single. And Bob & Marcia were pretty cool I thought, even if the band could done with a spot more ooomph. They might not be 'young' anymore, but they sang the classic Young Gifted & Black without any irony at all. They know it's a great song and they know they can sing, so they just did it, in the same way that Wire play their old stuff. No winks or knowing asides... Keith NP The Warlocks - pheonix (it won't win any awards for originality but it's an enjoyable album. The singing reminds me of the Perfect Disaster at times, and there was a spot of MBV-like gtr a moment ago....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:40:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: schnass etc In a message dated 6/7/03 8:26:35 AM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > i agree....ISAN...Marumari...Mum...Static...Lo-Fish...Lali > Puna..Hvratski...Four Tet...Swayzak...Phonem...Bernhard > Fleischmann...Isolee....Ulrich > Schnauss...Tarwater...To Rococo Rot...just to name a few (i like to think of > them as > the children of Cluster) , piss all over Royksopp and Lemonjelly..... > > RL > > > > and how could i possibly forget: SOLVENT ! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:38:13 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Radiohead (not getting it)/Zwan >HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: > > > Re Radiohead's performance on Later last night: I just so don't get it. >i never have.... > Nah, neither do I. This is probably a philistine veiw to take to the Radiohead cognoscenti, but what could have been a great singles band, with memorable 'tunes' and lyrics that, though not exactly happy-clappy, at least didn't make *too much* of an art of misery. Now, it seems, even their bloody chord sequences have angst............get off my radar, forever. I thought Zwan were a bit ropey, too. Being something of a Pumpkins convert, the advance press for this band was 'more of same'. Hmm. Not sure about that. Where's the grunt, Billy? More generally, does anyone else think it's time to pull the curtain down on this show?[Later]:- it get's more like Jools Holland and pals....oh, and some music every week. And how many times do we need to see JH ask some obviously ligging thespian/comedian "What are you here to see?" and getting vague and embarrassed replies when we *really* know they mean "None of these acts mean s**t to me, I'm here to be seen and drink the green room freebies......". Cynical, I know, but I think it's near the truth.....:-P _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:24:02 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 1 sent this last night, but just realized it was undoubtedly too long to go in without manual assistance from miles (hmmm ... that sounds a bit unsavory, actually). this time i'll chop it up into sections -- >from simon reynolds' blog ... includes quite a few artists regularly >discussed here, not to mention 2 incarnations of wire -- > > >UBERHIPSTERS UNITED INFLUENCES INDEX 2003 > >HARDY PERENNIALS >[blue chip stocks, cooler than being obscure ultra--oneupmanship manoevure >stuff] > >Beatles. Kraftwerk. Chic. Giorgio Moroder. Nirvana. Tubeway Army/Numan. Joy >Division. The Fall. Pixies. > >PASSE >[tapped-out, yesterday's cool move, middlebrow] > >Gang of Four. First three albums Wire. Can up to Tago Mago and Ege >Bamyasi/Neu!/ Faust. Electro. Obvious No Wave/mutant disco: Contortions, 99 >Records (Liquid Liquid, ESG). Gram Parsons. Boards of Canada. Italo Disco. >Crate-digga: Library Music: KPM, Boosey & Hawkes etc/David Axelrod/The >Rotary Connection. Obvious dub producers: Perry, Tubby. Brian Wilson/Van >Dyke Parks. Scott Walker. Tropicalia. Cleveland: Electric Eels, Styrenes, >Rocket For The Tombs, early 3classic2 Pere Ubu. New York >electrofunk/postdisco: Arthur Russell, Prelude, West End, Peech Boys, >D-Train etc. "Being Boiled" era Human League/The Normal/2Nag Nag Nag2-era >Cabaret Voltaire. Suicide. Nick Drake. United States of America. IA-era Red >Krayola. > >HOT FOR NOW >[OTM this minute, edge-of-middlebrow danger like pears that go over-ripe >when you turn your back for a second] > >Soft Machine. Dancehall: early Nineties to early noughties. This Heat. >St.Pancras/Rough Trade-era Scritti Politti. Ze. Eugene MacDaniels. >Incredible String Band. The Cure. America. Young Marble Giants. Supertramp. >Amon Duul (I). Fleetwood Mac circa Rumours/Tusk. Ethnographic field >recordings. Proto-synthcore: The Screamers, Nervous Gender, Minimal Man.. >Post-electro: Mantronix, T. La Rock, Chep Nunez, Nitro Deluxe, Cutting >label, freestyle. My Bloody Valentine. The Godz. The Fugs. Virgin-era >Scritti. Canonical UK folk rock: Fairport Convention/Shirley Collins/ >Pentangle. Janet Kay/Dennis Bovell lovers rock productions. Attic Tapes9 >era Cabaret Voltaire. BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Yoko Ono. Rudimentary Peni. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:25:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 2 >TRES HOT a/k/a RIPE FOR REDISCOVERY >[cooler-than-thou dead-cert trump-all-comers power move] > >The Homosexuals. Jefferson Airplane circa After Bathing At Baxters. >Heldon/Richard Pinhas . Eighties pre-ragga dancehall. Electronic body music: >Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, et al. Bugge Wesseltoft. Henry Cow. >Less obvious No Wave/mutant disco: Lust Unlust label, ImpLOG, Jody >Harris/Bob Quine, Pulsalamma, Dark Day, Ut. More obscure UK folk-rock: >Martin Carthy/Topic label/ June Tabor/Albion Band. Tuxedomoon. Canterbury >lesser lights: Caravan, Egg, National Health, Hatfield & the North, >Gilgamesh. Ron Geesin. Radar/Rough Trade-era Red Crayola. More obscure >post-punk: Family Fodder, Fatal Microbes, Metaboliste, I9m So Hollow, Lemon >Kittens, Vice Versa, Out On Blue Six, Basement 5, 4 Be 29s, Furious Pig. >Metal Urbain/Dr. Mix. South Asian fusion/desi/bhangra. Bleep & Bass: Unique >3, Sweet Exorcist (esp. C.C.C.D), Nexus 21, Rob Gordon productions, Ability >II, etc. Soft-hop: PM Dawn, Definition of Sound. Vanity 6/Early >Prince/Sheila E. Wire circa "The Drill." Speed Garage. Hamilton Bohannon. >Romeo Void. The Buggles. M. Tom Tom Club circa The Man with the 4 Way Hips. >David Crosby. The Blue Nile. Simple Minds circa New Gold Dream. Swoon/Steve >McQueen era Prefab Sprout.. Ragga jungle. "Lost Generation2 a/k/a UK >postrock-with-songs: Disco Inferno, Seefeel, Pram, Earwig/Insides, >Moonshake/Laika etc.. The Minutemen. Judee Sill. Australian postpunk: >Voigt/465, Rhythmx Chymx, Slugfuckers, Tame O9Mearas, early Severed Heads. >Pre-Some Bizarre Einsturzende Neubauten. Recommended Records. Bill Fay. San >Francisco industrial: Factrix, Monte Cazzazza, Chrome, Z9Ev. LA Free Music >Society/Monitor/B-People. German postpunk/industrial/artpop: pre-Virgin >Deutsches Amerikanische Freundschaft/Der Plan/Palais Schaumberg. Japan circa >Adolescent Sex. Sproton Layer. Rose Royce. Fuck Off Records: Danny & the >Dressmakers, Teen Vampires, etc. Savage Rose. John Martyn circa Inside >Out/One World. Pere Ubu circa New Picnic Time/Art of Walking/Song of the >Bailing Man. Joni Mitchell. Obscure Manchester postpunk: Object label >(Spherical Objects, The Grow-Up), The Passage, Manicured Noise, New Hormones >(Ludus, The Tiller Boys, Biting Tongues, Eric Random). Thomas Leer (with >Robert Rental and solo circa 4 MovementsEP ). Annette Peacock. Curved Air. >Early Gun Club. Blood On the Saddle. Agitation Free/Univers Zero. David >Byrne circa 3Cloud Chamber2/Catherine Wheel. Pre-baggy Happy Mondays. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:28:18 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 3 >RANK OUTSIDERS FOR 2004 >[a gamble--major ahead-of-the-curve cool potential versus total humiliation] > >Jefferson Starship. Simple Minds circa Empires and Dance. Spacebox. >Colosseum. Wigwam. The Strawbs. Rock Follies soundtrack/Julie Covington. >Sopwith Camel. The Police circa "Walking On the Moon". Wings. Pavlov9s Dog. >Virgin era-Can. Steve Hillage. Stackridge. Manfred Mann9s Earth Band. >Danielle Dax. Kate Bush circa The Dreaming. Late Gun Club. Patrick Adams. >The Three Johns. Irish folk-rock: Planxty, Horslips, early Clannad. Be Bop >Deluxe/Red Noise/Bill Nelson solo. Peter Gabriel III. Pre-'94 trance: >Hardfloor, Arpeggiators, etc. Second-wave avant-funk: Chakk, Portion >Control, 400 Blows. Doctors of Madness/Richard Strange. Angletrax. Judie >Tzuke. Man Jumping. Crammed Records. UK Decay. Mid-Eighties New Zealand: The >Chills, The Clean, etc. Jean-Michel Jarre. Shambling: Ron Johnson Records, >Stump, Shrubs, Bogshed, Big Flame, Membranes. Yargo. The Skids circa >Absolute Game/Joy. Terence Trent D9Arby. Osibisa. Belgian hardcore techno. >Luigi Nono. Really herky-jerky/quirked out New wave: first three albums XTC, >Punishment of Luxury, Lene Lovich, Nina Hagen, Plastics, Cardiacs. >Landscape. Post-golden age SST: Saccharine Trust, Paperbag, Always August, >Universal Congress Of, Lawndale, Zoogz Rift. "Mature2 Undertones circa 3It9s >Going To Happen2 and 3Julie Ocean2. Gryphon. Jethro Tull. Sailor/Pilot. >Swans Way. Raunch-era Last Few Days. Brand X. Non-Devo Akron (Tin Huey, >Rubber City Rebels, etc). Batcave: Specimen, Alien Sex Fiend, Sex Gang >Children, Flesh For Lulu. > >DON9T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT >[their day will never come again] > >Starship. Simple Minds from 3Don9t You Forget About Me2 onwards. The Doobie >Brothers. Pearl Jam. Collective Soul. Bush. Primal Scream (all phases). >UB40. Jamiroquai. Lloyd Cole and the Commotions. Fatboy Slim. NWOBHM: Iron >Maiden, Saxon, etc. Manic Street Preachers. Beck. Deep Purple/Rainbow. Roger >Waters solo. Pink Floyd post-Roger Waters. Elvis Costello from Blood & >Chocolate onwards. Texas. Leisure Process. The Police circa Synchronicity. >Mid-period Factory: Cath Carroll, Kalima, etc. Big Country/The Armoury Show. >Microdisney/Fatima Mansions. Bethnal. TRB. Erasure. The Red Hot Chilli >Peppers. Jeff Beck. 1984/85 retro-rock Americana: True West, Guadacanal >Diary, Long Ryders, Jason & the Scorchers. Curve/Garbage. Living Colour. >Blood Sweat n9 Tears. UK mod revival: Secret Affair, Merton Parkas. College >rock (including all REM apart from Murmur). > >Compiled from data provided by Dominic Laruffa, Kodwo Eshun, Jess Harvell, >Rebecca Rosengarde, Jon Dale, Sasha Frere-Jones, Job de Wit, Suzanne Spiers, >Joshua Merin, David Howie, Steven W. Schuldt, Scott Neill, Matthew Ingram >(ha, gotcha), Nicola Stecher, Haley Kenshin, Nick Runcible, Gus Halpern, >Michael Jary, Graham Dudlike, Mark Simmons, Donald Pryner, Alice Thompson, >Heike Blumner, Jake Sandlin, Fletcher Kern, Claire Brighton, B. Cole, Chas >Bovis, Jason Blum, Noam Chomsky, >Chris P. Laika-Crouton, Rennie J. Pilgrem, Hugh Ball, Michael Belfer, Owen >Gavin, M. P. Acardipane, Sasha Digweed, Jen Porridge, Chris Watson, Ally >Turnbull, Adrian Newton, Mal Linder, Una Friel, Nicky Mancuso, David Siano, >Danny Privet-Hedge, Rupert Sager, D. Raskit, Sprettro Blanquez, D. Galas, >Orlando Julius, Smitty Davenport, Sid Barcelona, Jeff Simply, Sly Fidelity, >Brown Hitgowenit, H.P. Buggo, Waldorf Statler, Andy Breton, Linda >Gartside-Stroheimer, Gabi Bargeld, Holger Fehlmann, Mannie Fresh, Lynval >Schneider, Rowland Cave, Bruce Falconi, J.D. Carducci, Mark E. Bramah, Deena >Wrigley, Hilary Small, Brenda Twice. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:29:17 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 4 >NOTES > >1/ Which Eighties? Post-punk still has some legs but it9s advisable to >disinvest from obvious names and areas, and stack your portfolio with the >very obscure (John Peel one-offs) or the geographically remote (Germany, >Australia, the Belgium/Netherlands, even France). Generally speaking, the >early Eighties looking pretty peaked on most fronts, even though it9s yet to >really cross over into the mainstream, so the smart money is already moving >deeper in that decade--skipping >the mid-Eighties (the so-called 3Bad Music Era2: 83/84/85/86) altogether and >going straight to the late Eighties. Now is the time to start investing in >second-wave industrial/Euro Body Music and early dreampop (the surprise, >seemingly premature return of My Bloody Valentine to currency). Likewise in >dance music, it would seem that last year9s power move--punk-funk/mutant >disco/Italodisco/NYC electrofunk (Prelude/Russell/West End)--is already >tapped out, and the more astute speculators will be moving into the >post-electro/pre-house phase (Cutting, Nitro Deluxe, Freestyle). The trouble >with moving to the late Eighties and bypassing the mid-period (a time when >things were so desperate that The Triffids were regarded as saviours) is >that the optimum time span for recycling is 20 years or more, and although >revival-attempts often begin after 15 years, the first several attempts are >usually false starts or premature stabs (sort of equivalent those warriors >in Zulu who sacrifice themselves in order to test the firepower of the >besieged British garrison and use up their ammunition), e.g Romo which was >roughly 14 years after the period it was attempting to revive and thus six >to eight years premature. So although we can expect some tentative moves >into baggy/Madchester, say, these are too risky for the sensible >coolmongerer. > >2/ It seems like only yesterday. Dance music9s cycles run about half the >duration of rock9s cycles--instead of 20 years, the optimum period is 10 >years. Despite the surprisingly non-appearance of a major ardkore/darkcore >revival (probably because people started pining for and recycling that era >within only a few years of its demise), we9re gearing up for a massive > 94-the-year-jungle-broke ragga-amen-rinse revival. For a while now, > ardkore dealers have been devoting more space to tunes from 94-95 and >prices have been rising accordingly. Other signs include the Soundmurderer >CD, figures like DJ Shitmat and Enduser, Luke Vibert who has cut five old >skool jungle singles and has the Amen Andrew Vol. 1 record sooncome on >Rephlex, while Mike Paradinas9s Planet Mu label is putting out a compilation >of Remarc9s classic amen tunes. Power moves here entail moving out well >beyond the obvious knowns (forget about the serious middlebrown zone of >Rage/Grooverider/Fabio/Reinforced/Goldie, and especially Bukem --even though > Demon9s Tune9 was one of the first Amen tunes) and expand the > auteurisation9 syndrome to the figures who never got the >iD/Face/Muzik/Mixmag treatment: Remarc, Bizzy B, Randall, DJ Nut Nut, Kemet >Crew, Suburban Base/Ganja (Marvellous Cain, Hype, Pascal/Johnny Jungle, >Noise of Art, Flex, Krome & Time), Dead Dred/Second Movement/Back 2 Basics, >DMS & Boneman, X Ram/Shimon/Andy C, Gappa G & Hyper Hyper, Formation/SS, >plus the countless ragga-sploitation bandwagon-jumping dancehall relicks of >the era. Ultra power moves: Leviticus Burial9 and anything by M-Beat >especially the ones not featuring General Levy. >posted by Simon Reynolds 12:31 AM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:45:19 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? In a message dated 6/7/03 12:55:28 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Moz getting a record contract made Page 5 of The Guardian today. Not > content > with announcing the news, there was an editorial comment. People have > finally got something good to say about him. As he is human and needs to be > loved - just like everybody else does! - this can only be a good thing. > /////bizarre goings on.........mozzer is everywhere like a rash. and , with all due respect , a half page piece in the guardian (on the news pages.....) on him finally getting a deal seems way out of proportion to his sales or status. whoever is doing his PR deserves one hell of a pay rise. .........and boy this is going to be one hell of a let down if he comes up with yet another bland re-working of past glories. though i have to concede the smiths were massively the best thing on that ogwt the other night. was 1983 the worst year ever? ; could have thought so from that garbage. i see next week they are combining 84 and 85 into one show , suspect this may be a warning of the standard of merchandise on offer. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:54:13 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] how many dead or alive in 1985? >though i have to concede the smiths were massively the best thing on that >ogwt the other night. was 1983 the worst year ever? ; could have thought so from >that garbage. i see next week they are combining 84 and 85 into one show , >suspect this may be a warning of the standard of merchandise on offer. p hmmm ... so maybe comparative poverty wasn't the *only* reason i procured only, iirc, some 7 new albums in '85 (considerably less than i often buy in a single trip to the store nowadays, of course), including, um, bronksi beat's age of consent & fgth's pleasuredome. good thing i got psychocandy as an xmas gift just before the year ended ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:56:03 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 4 dan , i am seriously impressed with that. anyone know anything about dj shitmat ; sounds a cool dude :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:39:46 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] how many dead or alive in 1985? In a message dated 6/7/03 9:54:48 PM GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > i procured > only, iirc, some 7 new albums in '85 (considerably less than i often buy in > a single trip to the store nowadays, of course), including, um, bronksi > beat's age of consent & fgth's pleasuredome. good thing i got psychocandy as > an xmas gift just before the year ended ... > /////i'm trying hard to think what was good that year. i know the smiths would be the easy answer , but what competition was there? actually i didn't think that bronskis album was so bad...............p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:06:08 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] how many dead or alive in 1985? >In a message dated 6/7/03 9:54:48 PM GMT Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> i procured >> only, iirc, some 7 new albums in '85 (considerably less than i often buy in >> a single trip to the store nowadays, of course), including, um, bronksi >> beat's age of consent & fgth's pleasuredome. good thing i got psychocandy as >> an xmas gift just before the year ended ... >> >/////i'm trying hard to think what was good that year. i know the smiths >would be the easy answer , but what competition was there? actually i didn't think >that bronskis album was so bad...............p you're right -- pretty decent, actually. certainly far less filler than pleasuredome (which would've been packed with filler even as a single disc, i'd say). otherwise, best of '85, at least for me, would include several that i didn't hear till later -- the mekons' fear & whiskey, the cure's head on the door, wall of voodoo's 7 days in sammystown, omd's crush (not the most universal choice, i'm sure), the fall's this nation's saving grace, naked raygun's throb throb, new order's low-life, kommunity fk's close one sad eye, the sisters' first & last & always, jazz butcher's sex & travel ... intriguing to see (upon browsing through the trouser press record guide's 4th edition) how many bands with fairly voluminous '80s catalogues somehow gave '85 a skip -- sparks, the banshees, big black, iggy pop, pil, xtc, etc. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:07:38 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl >>> "I have two sleeves with my copy. :-) " >> I don't have ANY sleeves 'cause it #%@^ing hasn't arrived here yet!! >But the one you played in the store Phillip? How many? How many? ;-) No, no, no 'twas the CD version that I spent my lunch (part) hour hogging the store listening post- I (still) haven't even SEEN the vinyl let alone played it :-( Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:49:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] how many dead or alive in 1985? dan... > > i procured only, iirc, some 7 new albums in '85 paul... > /////i'm trying hard to think what was good that year. i know the smiths > would be the easy answer , but what competition was there? actually i didn't think > that bronskis album was so bad...............p I usually do a list of top 10 or 20 fave albums of the year. In 1985, I obviously couldn't be bothered because I only did a top 3 (Meat is Murder, Psychocandy & Lowlife) even though I know I had others - June Brides 'stories', Little Creatures, Drinking Gasoline, Perhaps, Dexys excellent Don't Stand me Down spring to mind, but after that I'm stuggling. Can't think of too many '85 LP's I've bought since either. Good year for singles though! But at the risk of sounding pedantic - sorry! - Bronski & FGTH were from '84 ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:07:41 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 4 It was very funny, but it also smacked of Nathan Varley-esque Coke-fuelled wank and It bled London-centric desparate knob-jockey muso-spunk all over my cultural carpet. Quietly pleased to have got a lot of it already (as have many of us here)...a lot of it has never been out of fashion tho. When were My Bloody Valentine not cool? And I've had a many a pub-argument over pre-baggy Happy Mondays. Bang on about Simple Minds and Primal Scream. I think he's right about Wire. Despite making an almighty slab of 00s noise they still aren't hip. Doesn't really matter to me...maybe it does to Colin? he missed Freddie Starr who is clearly due a comeback! Steve Wright is a big fan of Radiohead. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > Sent: 07 June 2003 21:56 > To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: uberhip index pt 4 > > > dan , i am seriously impressed with that. anyone know anything about dj > shitmat ; sounds a cool dude :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:48:10 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] how many dead or alive in 1985? In a message dated 6/7/03 5:40:37 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > >/////i'm trying hard to think what was good that year. i know the smiths > >would be the easy answer , but what competition was there? actually i didn't >think >that bronskis album was so bad...............p i don't think anyone mentioned nick cave, neubauten, the cabs, the wake or the chameleons yet. agreed it's more difficult to find 10 or 20 winners from the u.k. and europe in 85 (compared with previous years), but some of the better music was probably to be found in the u.s. at that time. savage republic, camper van beethoven, dead kennedys, volcano suns, sonic youth, swans, live skull, butthole surfers, agitpop, replacements, husker du, foetus, tom waits, and david thomas...while i wouldn't consider myself a big enough fan of all of those, they did release some more than decent music in the mid 80's. and i know there's more i'm just not thinking of right now. - -another the paul n.p. illyah kuryahkin-count no count www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #168 *******************************