From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #167 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, June 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Londoners can have their cake [Alistair Tear ] Britney Intervention (was Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd) ["Paul Pietromonaco" <] [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast ["Jan J Noorda" ] RE: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Re: The Cure - Trilogy DVD ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy] [WAY OT] Is this one of the signs of the impending apocalypse? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] vinyl vs cd [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT] Is this one of the signs of the impending apocalypse? [PaulRabjohn@] Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Londoners can have their cake Bugger! I would but it's Nick Cave for me tonight why do these things always coincide??? Dirty 3 played Paris same night as wire Crispy Ambulance at the ICA with dj Bursa laaarge in da house same night as wire in Amsterdam like London buses... you wait for ages then 3 come along at once later A > -----Original Message----- > From: Fergus Kelly [mailto:lockupyourhats@yahoo.com] > Sent: 05 June 2003 16:32 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Londoners can have their cake > > > Just wanted to blow a trumpet for my mates The > Jimmycake, who are supporting Manitoba in the ICA on > the 6th of June, and are WELL worth checking out. I > saw them last saturday and they're positively ON FIRE. > > Now in their third year of existence and currently > finishing their third release, The Jimmy Cake are more > than ready to unleash the enormous force of > their live show on the unsuspecting world. The lineup > fluctuates between six and fifteen people on stage but > we expect a showing of nine regular Jimmies > for this show. Although a long-established legend in > their native Dublin the band have been (to their > detriment) far more concerned with their music than > they have with their business. Now they are ready to > right the wrongs and give the world a well-deseved > look at a genuine phenomenon. Alongside the > rock artillery of guitars, bass, drums and > electronics, the band features accordion, banjo, > clarinet, trumpet, trombone and assorted saxophones. > The music ranges from funereal folk dirges to > blistering noise attacks and covers all the ground > between while always being immediate and > communicative; few have seen the show and been left > unmoved. There are several composers, producers, > session players, record label bosses > and improvisors among the bands ranks. > > Some of the players: > > Drummer John Dermody runs the Frontend Synthetics > label for leftfields electronica who have recently > been taken on by Warpmart. > > Keyboardist Paul Smyth as well as working as sideman > for David Kitt has established himself on the UK > free-improvising scene, playing alongside the likes of > Derek Bailey, John Russell and Evan Parker and will be > playing the next Mopomoso event, he also runs Nysha > Records and works with The Whispering Gallery > promoting experimental events in Ireland. > > Saxophonist Diarmuid MacDiarmada as well as working > extensively in session-work and being a member of The > Tycho Brahe, also runs Goppa Records, launched last > year with the 'Orang-utan' compilation featuring, > among others Nurse With Wound (a recent convert to The > Jimmy Cake cause), Aranos and Volcano The Bear. > > Accordion and trombonist Jurgen Simpson is going from > strength to strength on his career as a composer; he > is currently writing an opera which will be performed > in London over the Summer months. > > > http://www.thejimmycake.com > http://www.thetychobrahe.com > http://www.gopparecords.com > http://www.frontendsynthetics.com > http://www.thewhisperinggallery.com > http://www.nysharecords.com > > Check 'em out ! > > Fergus > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:02:23 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #166 I played the Send CD last night - just to compare it with the vinyl, and it definitely suffers badly from distortion on some tracks. I'll admit - I usually prefer the vinyl sound to CD, but in this case the differences are significantly worse than usual. It does sound like the CD was recorded too high. Playback in my CD recorder verifies this, although some of the distortion occurs in places where the record levels don't hit the "red". I will have to re-visit the Read and Burn CDs, but I can't remember those CDs suffering in the way Send does. Having said this, I'd like to say that the whole Read & Burn / Send packages were well worth waiting for. It's great that the band continue to do things that are "fresh" and exciting. It would be so easy just to live off their past and put out "greatest hits" albums to keep the cash coming in. Keep it up! Paul (rezMole) PS As a receiver of the digest version of this list, can I PLEASE ask that people refrain from over quoting. It really is annoying to have the same email repeated three or four times in quick succession, with only a line or two added each time. PPS Regarding record clamps - my turntable came with one. Not sure if they can be bought separately or not. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:27:38 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd kristoph wrote: > just finished the cd conversion of pf456redux. 16 songs in under 40 > minutes, not a moment wasted. Interesting. Even though I own the vinyl, I just did this with the tracks from the three CDs. Side note: I'm using the "Original Version" of Nice Streets Above (i.e. the one on Send), to get the same transition to Raft Ants that PF456 Redux has. Total time? 54:35. paul wrote: > i just finished listening to the cd tracks in the vinyl order, > putting the 3 new send tracks between the 2 eps. that clocks in at 53:32 > Actually, you're missing a track, I think. There should be four tracks - there are on the vinyl. The order goes R&B 01, Half Eaten, Being Watched, You Can't Leave Now (flip record over) Mr. Marx's Table, R&B 02. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:32:30 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Britney Intervention (was Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd) > p.s. tell me i'm not the only one who thinks of britney and hears her voice > while listening to wire now! Okay - "You're not the only one who thinks of Britney and hears her voice while listening to Wire now!". I mean, yes, actually you are the only one who would do this, but at least I did what you asked! (^_^) Now, just take a deep breath and try to think some non-Britney thoughts. Here, listen to this nice Blue Oyster Cult CD - that ought to get your mind off of the Brit-ster. (^_^) Don't Fear The Reaper! Cheers, Paul N.P. Wire - PF456 Redux ++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:39:56 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast Anyone have any luck getting across the alleged webcast on 'fabchannel' ? A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Radiohead Field Day Festival Update .text { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif}.small { FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif}.tiny { FONT-SIZE: 5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif}.textinput { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif}.submit { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif} From: Radiohead newsletter FIELD DAY FESTIVAL STILL ON RADIOHEAD, BEASTIE BOYS, BECK, BLUR, UNDERWORLD Others confirming by the hour... ONE-DAY ONLY AT GIANTS STADIUM THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 7th TICKETS ON SALE 5 P.M. 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Not sure if they can be bought separately or not yes they can,those in europe should consider 'the pig' if it's still available.Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:12:44 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast I think they haven't got permission to broadcast or so. Have asked them by e-mail what happened. No answer. And the new webTV announcement is Third Eye Foundation instead of Tombola 2009 or Wire. > Anyone have any luck getting across > the alleged webcast on 'fabchannel' ? > > A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:27:52 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast I reckon they took one look at Aerogramme and thought No way, these fuckers are just too ugly A > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan J Noorda [mailto:Ad_Roon@hotmail.com] > Sent: 06 June 2003 11:13 > To: Ideal Copy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paradiso webcast > > > I think they haven't got permission to broadcast or so. Have > asked them by > e-mail what happened. No answer. > And the new webTV announcement is Third Eye Foundation > instead of Tombola > 2009 or Wire. > > > Anyone have any luck getting across > > the alleged webcast on 'fabchannel' ? > > > > A > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:45:56 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Britney Intervention Nice going guys, now I even hear her on Nice Streets! ;-) Bart >> p.s. tell me i'm not the only one who thinks of britney and hears her >> voice while listening to wire now! > Okay - "You're not the only one who thinks of Britney and hears her voice > while listening to Wire now!". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:52:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] pure gristle This month's Uncut contains a 4 out of 5 review of Send (alomng with the usual photo. Methinks the boys ahve turned into Robert Johnson - just the one photograph available)... First new album in 12 years from post-punk legends. Comprising tracks from last years Read & Burn EP, it's mail-order only follow-up and four new tracks, Send is a return to the blistering, all-cylinders-blazing spirit of their 1977 debut album, from which their new label takes it's name. No angular, honeyed pop digressions here, no spatial avant rock, Send is pure gristle, a vicious statement of musical intent. Difference is, after a quarter of a century, they come at us heavily armed with state-of-the-art technology, which lends this album a density and dimension lacking in their skinny punk beginnings. Standouts included Mr Marx's Table and the totally cryptic but fiercely turned The Agfers of Kodack. David Stubbs Keith NP Smog - supper (ambition is up there with Being Watched as my fave track of the year) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:21:52 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The Cure - Trilogy DVD >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:26:22 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Cure - Trilogy DVD > >picked it up yesterday afternoon, though with tv time monopolized by buffy >reruns, the first game of the nba title series & a law & order rerun i was >able to watch only my 2 favorite songs from those 3 albums, pornography's >100 years & a strange day. of course, old-timers like me aren't likely to >ever think of the cure's "trilogy" as being anything but 17 seconds, faith >& >pornography ... I had the same thoughts when I first heard about Bloodflowers being the third album in the "trilogy"; I think that most Cure fans think of the "trilogy" as Seventeen Seconds, Faith, and Pornography. I admit that I probably feel as such because these albums are issued together in box sets at times. Still, they do flow together well. I personally like Faith a good bit more than Pornography, so I would never have any objections to hearing that album in its entirity. Still, the DVD is butt-kickingly good. I'm glad to see the The Cure can still play an intense performance of Pornography. Jason Now Playing: Pernice Brothers - Yours, Mine & Ours (this album continues to impress me) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:36:07 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #166 Derek White wrote: If I have one gripe on initial impression with 'SEND', it is the sound. Thus far, most plays have been on my portable discman, and the problem's at the bass end. Without the bass-boost 'on' it's too thin: with it in the mid-position it's got more oomph, but I tend to agree with those IC'ers who thought that the bass was a tad over-recorded. If I have the bass boost full-on, the whole thing breaks up into mush at any appreciable volume. /// I guess that's why the bass is so thin. It was difficult for me as well, with the first R&B, especially with the kick drum sound. We certainly got used to hearing booming kicks and bass during the 90's, but this was in a very 'open' production sound where the hi & lo frequencies are more dominant than the mid ones. Send is full with mid-range frequency guitars and a 90's boom sound would probably cover it up or just make it sound bad. My vinyl's a bit warped too, but it sounds ok. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:44:10 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [WAY OT] Is this one of the signs of the impending apocalypse? From the BBC: Morrissey secures album deal Former Smiths' lead singer Morrissey has landed a new record deal and will start work on his first album in six years. The announcement of a deal with Sanctuary Records comes off the back of renewed interest in The Smiths, following the recent 20th anniversary of their first single. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:04:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #166 I've just been listening to Being Watched LOUD in the car. Sure it's very bassy, but I like that sort of throbby noise (a la Sidewalking). There's a couple of tracks on Silo's Alloy that's more of a problem bass-wise for me, where the bass makes the speakers reverberate. Maybe it's a Swim thing. Keith > Derek White wrote: > > If I have one gripe on initial impression with 'SEND', it is the sound. (snip) > If I have the bass boost > full-on, the whole thing breaks up into mush at any appreciable volume. > Giluz: > /// I guess that's why the bass is so thin. It was difficult for me as well, > with the first R&B, especially with the kick drum sound. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:25:05 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Send Review in Uncut "... a return to the blistering all-cylinders-blazing spirit of their 1977 debut.." "Send id pure gristle, a vicious statement of musical intent" **** But, have you got 23 down in the crossword yet, Keith AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:12:55 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vinyl vs cd i'm leaning more and more towards getting the vinyl sooner, rather than later, each post on this topic making the case stronger. except for the level drop at the beginning of nsa, i assumed a thing like the distortion level on most tracks was intentional. but on my drive into nyc the other night, i found send almost unlistenable on my car stereo (which is a piece of crap btw), it was sooo distorted. hm of course it's also appealing to have a listen to how the band chose to edit the songs down. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 6/6/03 5:05:16 AM, P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk writes: >I played the Send CD last night - just to compare it with the vinyl, and >it > >definitely suffers badly from distortion on some tracks. I'll admit - I > >usually prefer the vinyl sound to CD, but in this case the differences >are > >significantly worse than usual. It does sound like the CD was recorded >too > >high. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:21:32 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT] Is this one of the signs of the impending apocalypse? In a message dated 6/6/03 8:45:09 PM GMT Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > The announcement of a deal with Sanctuary Records comes off the back of > renewed interest in The Smiths, following the recent 20th anniversary > of their first single. > /////this is the label run by iron maiden's management , right :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:31:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd In a message dated 6/6/03 5:28:36 AM, paulp@wrq.com writes: >Total time? 54:35. > > > >paul wrote: > >> i just finished listening to the cd tracks in the vinyl order, > >> putting the 3 new send tracks between the 2 eps. that clocks in at 53:32 > >> > > > >Actually, you're missing a track, I think. There should be four tracks >- you're half right, i included all 4 songs but forgot to count marx as a new track. i used the ep version of nsa. that's the missing minute and 3 seconds. weird thing is it should only amount to 55 seconds - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:32:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? I think the apocalypse actually starts when the records charts. --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > From the BBC: > > Morrissey secures album deal > ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:48:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [WAY OT]apocalypse? > I think the apocalypse actually starts when the > records charts. > > --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > From > the BBC: > > > > Morrissey secures album deal It's all happening... Front cover of the latest Word magazine. Free Smiths magazine with this weeks NME (20th anniversary edition) Front cover of last weeks The Guide (and an article that includes the great response he made to a fan who said Moz had made him so happy - "I didn't mean to"). A programme on Channel 4 this Sunday. And now a record deal. Big Mouth Strikes Again? Fingers crossed... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:48:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Review in Uncut > But, have you got 23 down in the crossword yet, Keith > > AndyL Phew! That's a toughie ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:04:03 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Britney Intervention/you can't enter now In a message dated 6/6/03 5:34:00 AM, paulp@wrq.com writes: >Now, just take a deep breath and try to think some non-Britney thoughts. > >Here, listen to this nice Blue Oyster Cult CD - that ought to get your >mind > >off of the Brit-ster. (^_^) > > > >Don't Fear The Reaper! thanks paul. now i'm thinking of the young jamie lee curtis. anyway, has anyone listened to the dutch radio version of you can't leave now since getting send? it's 8 seconds longer, but only 6 are of the dj speaking at the end. it's got an extra 2 seconds of intro. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #167 *******************************