From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #166 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 6 2003 Volume 06 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux/I read (I think) ["Ian B" ] RE: [idealcopy] Send Redux [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] The Cure - Trilogy DVD ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Cure - Trilogy DVD ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] vinyl'd [k erickson ] Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'dmm [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux/I read (I think) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Could just be the cut but some of the R&B1 tracks sound different - cleaner > in most cases. And the sequencing is better with the extra 5 tracks. > What about Being Watched and Nice Streets Above? A few of us on the list (me included), having received the CD made vague bleating noises about the 'recorded at too high a level' effect on these two tracks that sounded more like a fault than any kind of ironic post-modern take on the listener's expectations of modern recording technology (or something). Is it the same on the vinyl, on all the CDs, or perhaps a faulty batch of CDs? Ian B (in same dilemma as Andrew W, and pondering on Chriswire's sound advice) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:56:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux/I read (I think) << What about Being Watched and Nice Streets Above? A few of us on the list (me included), having received the CD made vague bleating noises about the 'recorded at too high a level' effect on these two tracks that sounded more like a fault than any kind of ironic post-modern take on the listener's expectations of modern recording technology (or something). Is it the same on the vinyl, on all the CDs, or perhaps a faulty batch of CDs?<< The vinyl sounds 'cleaner', though I haven't done a back-to-back test. The CD has mainly been played in the car and the vinyl on the hifi.... >> Ian B (in same dilemma as Andrew W, and pondering on Chriswire's sound advice) >> there's no excuse for not owning a turntable! You should be able to pick up a good 2nd hand one for peanuts.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux/shuddup and play the music......... Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:what are the differences in the tracks? if it's just the order (and inclusion of all ep tracks) then can't we get the same experience making a cd-r of everything in that order? - -paul c.d. In a message dated 6/4/03 7:12:46 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: >There are differences in the tracks but it's the overall impact of listening >to >the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to the Non Flag Side.If >you know >what I mean! > I don't suppose you do. > I'll try again.There are more Wire tracks on it too.It gels better.Oh >God >this is getting nowhere.Just buy the bloody record & tell me I'm wrong >8:) I'd love to but I too have no way of playing an L.P,I could of course try spinning it on a finger and placing a wired pencil into the grooves...............Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:03:50 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux/I read (I think) On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:56:57AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > there's no excuse for not owning a turntable! You should be able to > pick up a good 2nd hand one for peanuts.... I'd need an amp and speakers too, but the major problem is not having the available *space* to put one: my room at present makes a shoebox look spacious. - - Andrew (who has a tiny CD mini system as a result: it sounds crap, but it's a lot better than nothing at all) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] send(ing) a discordant note With all the discord about the inner sleeve (or lack of) the sticker thingies,the warped records and the fuzzy sound on some of the c.d trax,plus the fact that some listees still haven't recieved their copy,I'm wondering if Wire are aware of our thoughts and feelings and,if they are,how they intend addressing them now and in the future.Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:35:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send(ing) a discordant note << With all the discord about the inner sleeve (or lack of) the sticker thingies,the warped records and the fuzzy sound on some of the c.d trax,plus the fact that some listees still haven't recieved their copy,I'm wondering if Wire are aware of our thoughts and feelings and,if they are,how they intend addressing them now and in the future. >> Shit happens. Sometimes records are warped. Sometines the sleeves are late. These things happen to big labels too. As far as Wire and PostEverything is concerned, I'm prepared to cut them an enormous amount of slack. Frankly, without the ability to exercise the control they have, we wouldn't have a functioning Wire. For that we should all be thankful, and fully supportive. I'm sure everything will become smoother in time. But really I've no complaints*. The package is good, the music is superb and the price is most reasonable. Mark * apart from the inner sleeve sticker! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:01:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #164 In a message dated 6/5/03 2:00:02 AM Central Daylight Time, P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk writes: > Yep, my copy of Send is a bit warped too. Don't have a problem playing it > though - I usually clamp my records to the turntable and that helps smooth > out the warp somewhat. > > how do you do that? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:27:20 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: well ot - Wobble reviews thames book Money spines iron hook Wobble reviews Thames book! It's beginning to - and back OT again :) Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:29:18 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Hi Chris; >White Derek (as you will always be to me too !) I think I'm stuck with it..........;-) > > Comet seems the obvious choice to me & Spent is awesome too.They would be >my choices. ////// Yeah, after about five playings of the CD's and counting , I think it would be down to one of those two. Spent is *really* awesome, and has a piledriving power and momentum that could teach other noise-merchants a thing or two. HOWEVER, as 'Comet' is probably more radio-friendly, which I suppose in some ways is the 'raison d'etre' of singles, I'd go with that one for a first single. Mainly because I think 'our boys' are more likely to stick around with Wire mk III if decent airplay begets meaningful sales, leading to (hopefully) more albums. >Can I just say I much prefer the vinyl Send to the CD.It kicks ass in that >little bit harder way. With >maybe the exception of Mr Marxs Table.Are you >with me or against me on this one? ////// Sorry, but I can't pass a valid comment on this question. As somebody who at this moment doesn't own a functioning turntable, I haven't yet aquired the vinyl, as my 27-year-old Bang and Olufsen 1100 finally gave up the ghost. I have to be honest and say that the lp version wasn't top of my shopping list, if it merely duplicated the CD, but the extra R & B tracks, plus the reports of better, sharper sound from listmembers are forcing me to reconsider.... While it may seem churlish to nit-pick, given that the *content* of the CD is soooo good, If I have one gripe on initial impression with 'SEND', it is the sound. Thus far, most plays have been on my portable discman, and the problem's at the bass end. Without the bass-boost 'on' it's too thin: with it in the mid-position it's got more oomph, but I tend to agree with those IC'ers who thought that the bass was a tad over-recorded. If I have the bass boost full-on, the whole thing breaks up into mush at any appreciable volume. It's not the machine, I promise you: it's this particular disc. >A question to the masses.Just done a dumb thing & bought a CDS by Buffalo >Tom> >......for some bizzare reason I had it in my head they were Dinosaur Jr >.Anybody else done something >similar? >The only other occasion this happened that I can recall was in 1980 when I >asked for a >Fall album for my birthday & my sister bought me an album by The Wall. ///// You still on speaking terms with her? ;-) >But I have several Dinosaur Jr records.Why on earth would I get that >confused? > Chris: 43 & getting worried.... ///// Hmmm. A bit early for Alzheimers, but if you find youself in street, sans strides, habitually boiling kettles dry, or producing iron-shaped holes in clothing, perhaps seek medical opinion........ ;-) >NP.Send - Vinyl ////// NP Send-CD :-)....... DW _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:42:40 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux, & vinyl generally >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com> > The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be >overlooked. > > Indeed so, but there are exceptions. Anyone remember the dreaded 'Dynaflex'? It was thinner than an inferior yoghurt and warped if you looked at it sideways. Much favoured by the RCA group and subsiduaries, if I recall. It was so thin, you could astonish friends, as you rolled up your (less favourite) albums, newspaper fashion. BUT the upside was that records pressed in the stuff seem to have retained their sparkling clarity, even after very many plays. :-) United Artists used some of the heaviest vinyl I've ever seen, but either the pressing quality *or vinyl* was so poor that discs made of this often started out real muddy,particularly as the side wore to a close, ( 'pinch' effect?) and deteriorated rapidly thereafter.. :-( _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:58:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Redux >> it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than >> the CD in my >> opinion.There are differences in the tracks but it's >> the overall impact of listening to >> the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to >> the Non Flag Side. > Chris, I couldn't agree with you more here. I love the > lp version. So much energy! Plus, it's fun to play a > new release on the wheel of steel. Don't know why, but with this conversation I picture two gentlemen smoking their pipes. ;-) Bart (waiting for the 78 rpm Send) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:16:23 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Send Redux haha... and here's their website http://www.artfink.demon.co.uk/chap/ A > >> it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than > >> the CD in my > >> opinion.There are differences in the tracks but it's > >> the overall impact of listening to > >> the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to > >> the Non Flag Side. > > > Chris, I couldn't agree with you more here. I love the > > lp version. So much energy! Plus, it's fun to play a > > new release on the wheel of steel. > > > Don't know why, but with this conversation I picture two > gentlemen smoking their pipes. ;-) > > Bart (waiting for the 78 rpm Send) > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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Although a long-established legend in their native Dublin the band have been (to their detriment) far more concerned with their music than they have with their business. Now they are ready to right the wrongs and give the world a well-deseved look at a genuine phenomenon. Alongside the rock artillery of guitars, bass, drums and electronics, the band features accordion, banjo, clarinet, trumpet, trombone and assorted saxophones. The music ranges from funereal folk dirges to blistering noise attacks and covers all the ground between while always being immediate and communicative; few have seen the show and been left unmoved. There are several composers, producers, session players, record label bosses and improvisors among the bands ranks. Some of the players: Drummer John Dermody runs the Frontend Synthetics label for leftfields electronica who have recently been taken on by Warpmart. Keyboardist Paul Smyth as well as working as sideman for David Kitt has established himself on the UK free-improvising scene, playing alongside the likes of Derek Bailey, John Russell and Evan Parker and will be playing the next Mopomoso event, he also runs Nysha Records and works with The Whispering Gallery promoting experimental events in Ireland. Saxophonist Diarmuid MacDiarmada as well as working extensively in session-work and being a member of The Tycho Brahe, also runs Goppa Records, launched last year with the 'Orang-utan' compilation featuring, among others Nurse With Wound (a recent convert to The Jimmy Cake cause), Aranos and Volcano The Bear. Accordion and trombonist Jurgen Simpson is going from strength to strength on his career as a composer; he is currently writing an opera which will be performed in London over the Summer months. http://www.thejimmycake.com http://www.thetychobrahe.com http://www.gopparecords.com http://www.frontendsynthetics.com http://www.thewhisperinggallery.com http://www.nysharecords.com Check 'em out ! Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:41:07 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves >> "I have two sleeves with my copy. :-) " > I don't have ANY sleeves 'cause it #%@^ing hasn't arrived here yet!! But the one you played in the store Phillip? How many? How many? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:44:04 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:41:07PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > >> "I have two sleeves with my copy. :-) " > > > I don't have ANY sleeves 'cause it #%@^ing hasn't arrived here yet!! > > But the one you played in the store Phillip? How many? How many? ;-) Hmm. Considering the subject matter, and the last line of Bart's message, a bootleg of Pink Flag and Dead or Alive's "You Spin Me Round" came to mind. What a terrifying, terrifying concept. (Could it be made to _work_, though..?) - - Andrew (HOW MANY DEAD OR ALIVE!) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:58:28 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Redux In a message dated 05/06/2003 15:01:16 GMT Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Bart (waiting for the 78 rpm Send) > Hey Bart I don't smoke & I'm not a gentleman. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:00:47 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Redux In a message dated 05/06/2003 15:20:15 GMT Daylight Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > haha... > and here's their website > > http://www.artfink.demon.co.uk/chap/ > > Great stuff.Laughed my head off.But it can't be me or White Derek surely? Chris NP. Wall of Voodoo - Mexican Radio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:01:52 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves >> But the one you played in the store Phillip? How many? How many? ;-) > Hmm. Considering the subject matter, and the last line of Bart's > message, a bootleg of Pink Flag and Dead or Alive's "You Spin Me > Round" came to mind. > What a terrifying, terrifying concept. (Could it be made to _work_, > though..?) Just as I was recovering of Mr. Burns' very upsetting appearance on Never Mind the Buzzcocks he gives me this... 8-/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/extremecosmetics/collagen.shtml Bart (lip-o-fatty) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:11:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send > Yep, my copy of Send is a bit warped too. When I look at my cd for a very long time it looks a bit warped too... and then there's all these colours... like... wow... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:14:39 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] The Cure - Trilogy DVD Since there are quite a few Cure fans here... I bought The Cure - Trilogy concert DVD a few days ago and am quite impressed with it. Last year, The Cure played three concerts where the albums, Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers, were all played in their entirity, back to back. The Trilogy DVD was recorded from the two nights that The Cure played these albums in Berlin. The Cure comes out like gangbusters for "One Hundred Years" and stay that way for the rest of the Pornography album. These Trilogy shows were the first time that The Cure had played "Short Term Effect" since the early '80's, so that performance is a landmark in itself. I was especially impressed, though, with the performance of "The Hanging Garden"; this has never been one of my favorite Cure tracks, but the live performance on the DVD is vastly superior to the studio recording. The Disintegration performances are near flawless and actually improve on the studio sound. "The Same Deep Water As You" is incredible on the DVD, as are "Plainsong", "Lullaby", and "Disintegration". I really enjoyed the Bloodflowers set as well; I do, of course, have a higher opinion of Bloodflowers than a lot of Cure fans do...I think that it's an awesome album. The tempo is a bit slower on this album and "Watching Me Fall" is not played quite as fast as it probably should have been. The band picks up the pace a lot during "39", though; that performance is quite intense. The concert ends with an encore of "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and an awesome performance of "The Kiss". Yeah, I was envious of the Cure fans who were able to make it to Belgium and Berlin for these Trilogy shows and I'm even moreso envious after watching this DVD. Wow. The concert was filmed well; the sound is a bit bass-heavy, but that's fine with me. During "A Stange Day", the filming goes into this cheesy slo-motion camera effect as Smith and company move around...it's like watching an '80's Police concert video or something...I would have rather watched this performance filmed normal so that I could see the instruments played. That's the one flaw with the filming of the performance, but the rest of the DVD is spot-on. The DVD has a little over a half hour of band interviews. Robert Smith states his intention for the upcoming Cure album to be the "heaviest album ever made" and for it to expand upon the themes presented in the Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers trilogy....except that he plans for the new album to be even darker. I'm looking forward to hearing it, for sure. With Ross Robinson at the producer's wheel, this album could be a great Cure album or it could be a bad Cure album that's fun in a "slow-down-the-car-and-look-at-that-terrible-car-wreck-on-the-side-of-the-road" kind of way. We'll see. So, in short, I highly recommend the Trilogy DVD. Jason Now Playing: Pernice Brothers - Yours, Mine & Ours (a likely candidate for my Top Five Albums Of 2003 list at year's end) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:17:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than the CD in my opinion.There are differences in the tracks but it's the overall impact of listening to the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to the Non Flag Side.If you know what I mean! I don't suppose you do. I'll try again.There are more Wire tracks on it too.It gels better.Oh God this is getting nowhere.Just buy the bloody record & tell me I'm wrong 8:) Chris As Derek said, buying the vinyl wasn't high on my priorities, though I too may have to re-consider! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:30:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves > Just as I was recovering of Mr. Burns' very upsetting appearance on Never > Mind the Buzzcocks he gives me this... 8-/ > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/extremecosmetics/collagen.shtml > Lovely. I'd shag him! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:41:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 6/5/03 11:17:14 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << As Derek said, buying the vinyl wasn't high on my priorities, though I too may have to re-consider! >> yes...i didn't have enough money to spare early on...so now i suppose i will purchase one as well.... so i can hear for myself.. RL np - The Legendary Pink Dots "The Maria Dimension" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:42:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/extremecosmetics/collagen.shtml > Lovely. > I'd shag him! As you do it save Keith... B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:45:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Vinyl sleeves In a message dated 6/5/03 11:30:04 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/extremecosmetics/collagen.shtml > Lovely. I'd shag him! >> yeah keith...you guys could rub your leather trousers against each other and make funny noises... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:26:22 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Cure - Trilogy DVD picked it up yesterday afternoon, though with tv time monopolized by buffy reruns, the first game of the nba title series & a law & order rerun i was able to watch only my 2 favorite songs from those 3 albums, pornography's 100 years & a strange day. of course, old-timers like me aren't likely to ever think of the cure's "trilogy" as being anything but 17 seconds, faith & pornography ... dan >Since there are quite a few Cure fans here... > >I bought The Cure - Trilogy concert DVD a few days ago and am quite >impressed with it. Last year, The Cure played three concerts where the >albums, Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers, were all played in >their entirity, back to back. The Trilogy DVD was recorded from the two >nights that The Cure played these albums in Berlin. > >The Cure comes out like gangbusters for "One Hundred Years" and stay that >way for the rest of the Pornography album. These Trilogy shows were the >first time that The Cure had played "Short Term Effect" since the early >'80's, so that performance is a landmark in itself. I was especially >impressed, though, with the performance of "The Hanging Garden"; this has >never been one of my favorite Cure tracks, but the live performance on the >DVD is vastly superior to the studio recording. > >The Disintegration performances are near flawless and actually improve on >the studio sound. "The Same Deep Water As You" is incredible on the DVD, >as are "Plainsong", "Lullaby", and "Disintegration". > >I really enjoyed the Bloodflowers set as well; I do, of course, have a >higher opinion of Bloodflowers than a lot of Cure fans do...I think that >it's an awesome album. The tempo is a bit slower on this album and >"Watching Me Fall" is not played quite as fast as it probably should have >been. The band picks up the pace a lot during "39", though; that >performance is quite intense. > >The concert ends with an encore of "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and an >awesome performance of "The Kiss". > >Yeah, I was envious of the Cure fans who were able to make it to Belgium and >Berlin for these Trilogy shows and I'm even moreso envious after watching >this DVD. Wow. The concert was filmed well; the sound is a bit >bass-heavy, but that's fine with me. During "A Stange Day", the filming >goes into this cheesy slo-motion camera effect as Smith and company move >around...it's like watching an '80's Police concert video or something...I >would have rather watched this performance filmed normal so that I could see >the instruments played. That's the one flaw with the filming of the >performance, but the rest of the DVD is spot-on. > >The DVD has a little over a half hour of band interviews. Robert Smith >states his intention for the upcoming Cure album to be the "heaviest album >ever made" and for it to expand upon the themes presented in the >Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers trilogy....except that he >plans for the new album to be even darker. I'm looking forward to hearing >it, for sure. With Ross Robinson at the producer's wheel, this album >could be a great Cure album or it could be a bad Cure album that's fun in a >"slow-down-the-car-and-look-at-that-terrible-car-wreck-on-the-side-of-the-r oad" >kind of way. We'll see. > >So, in short, I highly recommend the Trilogy DVD. > > >Jason > >Now Playing: Pernice Brothers - Yours, Mine & Ours (a likely candidate for >my Top Five Albums Of 2003 list at year's end) > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:44:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] i am the fly electroclash cover? anyone heard anything about this, as mentioned on an electroclash list? makes sense, i suppose, in light of fischerspooner's version of the 15th ... Subject: Re: Crossover's "I Am the Fly"? Its Crossover Vs. Adam Sky - The Fly I have it on a single Promo CDR. I haven't heard anything about it on Vinyl yet but would prefer to have it there.. Tune into Redux on XM-Radio tomorrow @ 10pm, It's on my new mix. (BTW we (Patrick Lemeuix & I) do a 2 hour electro show every thursday @ 10) It rebroadcasts over the weekends but alot of the programing is being changed around so I am not sure when.. I'll keep the list updated. - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:35:42 -0000 >From: "shadowplaysf" >Subject: [ Electroclash ] Crossover's "I Am the Fly"? >To: electroclash@yahoogroups.com > > Does anyone know where to find Crossover's cover of Wire's "I Am the > Fly"? Is it an unlisted track on the vinyl or CD of their > full-length, b-side to a 12"? I have not found it listed on anything. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:38:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux, & vinyl generally Derek White wrote: >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com> > The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be >overlooked. > > Indeed so, but there are exceptions. Anyone remember the dreaded 'Dynaflex'? It was thinner than an inferior yoghurt and warped if you looked at it sideways. Much favoured by the RCA group and subsiduaries, if I recall. It was so thin, you could astonish friends, as you rolled up your (less favourite) albums, newspaper fashion. BUT the upside was that records pressed in the stuff seem to have retained their sparkling clarity, even after very many plays. :-) ........................................................ It may have appeared so,especialy on a 'cheaper' turntable,but in fact they were so flimsy taht they were easy meat for the diamond tip of the stylus to cut into. ................................................................. United Artists used some of the heaviest vinyl I've ever seen, but either the pressing quality *or vinyl* was so poor that discs made of this often started out real muddy,particularly as the side wore to a close, ( 'pinch' effect?) and deteriorated rapidly thereafter.. ................................... It's not the 'thickness' of the l.p that matters,but the purety of the vynil used,if a record is manufactured from recycled plastics,as many are,then no matter the thickness it won't sound too good,a record made of virgin vynil,no matter the thickness,will sound better.Ari :-( _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:44:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? In a message dated 6/4/03 11:04:16 PM GMT Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > I must apologise.I did not get rid of that album by The Wall "Dirges & > Anthems"- I have it her.Still in my collection.It came with a free 3 track EP > too.And a Send type sticker that sealed the open cover. > Guess what I'll be playing next ? > ////i seem to recall that was they're "big label" album. i was amazed they managed to swing that......polydor wasn't it? is it any good? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:46:15 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? In a message dated 6/5/03 12:57:13 AM GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > > >> >>BTW I thought Ian Lowery Group and King Blank were pants. Macho rock >> posturing and a poor man's Nick Cave imo. << > > Never heard ILG. From what I remember of King Blank, your description is > pretty fair ////i have a (very cheaply purchased) album called "king blank to the ian lowery group" , one side of each. and it isn't much cop. p (IL was just on the first 2 wall singles , then they got somebody punkier in) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:58:17 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Hi Paul absolutely correct.Polydor in 1982.Produced by Peter Wilson.Have to say I will give it another play or two but first impressions second time around are not bad.By the way the album is dedicated to the memory of Alex Harvey. "Ribs & Balls" & all that.When I was 16 or 17 Alex was in his sensational stage & died shortly after if memory serves.Other than that I know very little except his stuff goes for big money on E-Bay. Cheers Chris NP.The Wolfgang Press - Time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:00:56 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT cos its OGWT Time Ah, another mixed bag on the Mouldy old Whistletest. This weeks Its 1983, and its all gone a bit Khaki and Plaid. Early Big Country...not heard this since the 80s...that first LP was alright actually...think I sold it in the early 90s though. The Smiths of course, The ridiculous Spandau Ballet (but hey at least they could play their instruments which is more than you can say for Blue and Westloife) Robert Wyatt (the oft-repeated shipbuilding of course) Tom Robinson War Baby (forgotten what a grim song that was) Waterboys (an overlong, amorphous blob of a song....was everyone writing for stadiums in those days..blame U2) Fun Boy Three Ah, and Marillion, complete with Fish, pretetending to blow his brains out with two fingers in a gun shape. I'm not going to diss them because they are too easy a target...one should only have pity. The people I really feel sorry for are the wives & girlfriends of Marillion fans...but there can't be many of 'em. Did they show XTC last week? (english settlement) now rotating: Ulrich Schnauss - "A Strangely Isolated Place". (This is class.This sounds Like Cocteau Twins & Perfect Kiss-era New Order having a huge drugs and sex orgy. If he didn't have such a teutonic sounding name he'd be as big as Royksopp or that Lemon Jelly. ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:54:01 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: [idealcopy] vinyl'd just finished the cd conversion of pf456redux. 16 songs in under 40 minutes, not a moment wasted. i didn't bother splitting up the tracks either -- just a track for each side of the vinyl. (why would i listen to only _some_ songs?) besides there's just no breathing space between the songs. and i quite like it that way. i try to get that effect on all the cd compilations i make. also took the opportunity to digitalise Bruce's ovo mix/orf mix vinyl. very cool mixes (and they predate 'in esse' for all you bruce-wary ic-ers). especially nice is his backcatalogue mix, which features prominently my favourite bruce solo track, 'there are' (which was criminally left off of the 'this way-->shivering man' cd compilation), with an eerie passage of straining/murmuring voices... now a few weeks wait until i see wire in chicago. seems like an embarassment of riches, no? kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:09:22 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'dmm I probably spent more time breaking up the tracks than recording the album. They are very close together. Recorded some Wire side projects from vinyl and also working on a remix of Instant Shed. There goes the weekend. Cheers, Billy - --- k erickson wrote: > just finished the cd conversion of pf456redux. 16 > songs in under 40 > minutes, not a moment wasted. i didn't bother > splitting up the tracks > either -- just a track for each side of the vinyl. > (why would i listen > to only _some_ songs?) besides there's just no > breathing space between > the songs. and i quite like it that way. i try to > get that effect on > all the cd compilations i make. also took the > opportunity to digitalise > Bruce's ovo mix/orf mix vinyl. very cool mixes (and > they predate 'in > esse' for all you bruce-wary ic-ers). especially > nice is his > backcatalogue mix, which features prominently my > favourite bruce solo > track, 'there are' (which was criminally left off of > the 'this > way-->shivering man' cd compilation), with an eerie > passage of > straining/murmuring voices... > > now a few weeks wait until i see wire in chicago. > seems like an > embarassment of riches, no? > > kristoph ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:39:53 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vinyl'd In a message dated 6/5/03 10:56:16 PM, saintgermain@earthlink.net writes: >just finished the cd conversion of pf456redux. 16 songs in under 40 >minutes, not a moment wasted. i didn't bother splitting up the tracks >either -- just a track for each side of the vinyl. (why would i listen > >to only _some_ songs?) besides there's just no breathing space between nice. all this talk about it is making it tempting for me, but my list is so long already i can't see re-buying it again just to get edited versions...not yet at least. i just finished listening to the cd tracks in the vinyl order, putting the 3 new send tracks between the 2 eps. that clocks in at 53:32 - -paul c.d. p.s. tell me i'm not the only one who thinks of britney and hears her voice while listening to wire now! and i mean listening to wire, not just to being watched! i think i wanna hear her voice on lowdown, serious of snakes, and i'm not sure what else...am i nuts? what if she hopped on stage with em, like debbie gibson did with circle jerks! my god, then there could be a whole album...someone stop me www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #166 *******************************