From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #164 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 4 2003 Volume 06 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? ["Derek White" ] Re: [idealcopy] ATP LA Cancelled [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] for Hood fans [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ot: Japan "Ghosts".... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Trumans Water ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux [k erickson ] Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? [MarkBursa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:44:41 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Apologies for resurrecting an old debate, but was any concensus reached hereabouts to the question "which track from 'Send' should be a single?" Since I've only just got my copy, I've not reached a conclusion yet (although *some* tracks kinda rule themselves out)............dw _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:05:43 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] ATP LA Cancelled According to the ATP web site All Tomorrows Parties LA has been cancelled, due to poor ticket sales, seemingly till September. Wire will be undertaking the rest of their short tour as planned and a relacement LA gig is being sought. Please check with ATP over their plans for tickets already sold. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:20:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP LA Cancelled In a message dated 6/4/03 8:09:02 AM Central Daylight Time, Ad_Roon@hotmail.com writes: << According to the ATP web site All Tomorrows Parties LA has been cancelled, due to poor ticket sales, seemingly till September. Wire will be undertaking the rest of their short tour as planned and a relacement LA gig is being sought. Please check with ATP over their plans for tickets already sold. >> wow...what a shame...kind of shocking that the "Promised Land"..."The Mecca of Cool" ...."Utopia" that is Los Angeles couldn't support a great festival such as that...maybe there wasn't enough "American Idol" type hipsters on the bill ...maybe if all the bands agreed to wear hip hugger jeans and cool shades more people out there would be interested.... ATP should have been held in San Francisco.... Robert - whose hatred of Los Angeles remains intact..as if you couldn't tell.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:11:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] for Hood fans Artist: THE REMOTE VIEWER Title: Here I Go Again On My Own Label: CITY CENTRE OFFICES (GERMANY) Catalog #: BLOCK 007 CD "Craig Tattersall and Andrew Johnson aka The Remote Viewer have been active in the UK-indie-scene for a good number of years now. Both started as members of Hood (Craig played drums, Andrew guitar) and recorded four albums with the band. Here I Go Again On My Own is the second Remote Viewer album to date. The ten tracks are all very personal, intimate moments full of fragile warmth and quiet melancholy taking you by the hand as soon as the guitar comes in and plays along to colorful melodies and small clicky beats. This is an album sounding like a dreamy day spent alone in the countryside, when you look down a hill and whisper songs from another world. File under indietronics." for more info: http://www.city-centre-offices.de. RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:48:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: Japan "Ghosts".... In a message dated 6/2/03 2:52:57 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << On a happier note, I always liked Japan's OGWT version of Ghosts though. It was where I first heard it, and so it was good to hear it again. Keith >> Ghosts is indeed a splendid track....it was a hit as well..kind of strange to think of it being played on the radio ...strange noises and all..whilst your mum cleaned the floors or did the dishes... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:12:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter > Another The Tim (Tim Four Asterisks) wrote: Oops. I didn't realise there were two Tim's. I thought Tim **** was Tim's new email address. Or Tim when he was feeling particularly pissed off ; ) > As for Freddie Starr, it seems that, contrary to popular demand, he has > managed to get past customs from Costa Del Skol and is back on tour (at > least according to a poster I saw in Llandudno last month) Llandudno? Hey. You're in my territory now! Anyone see that programme about FS a couple of yrs ago? He really did seem as if he'd lost his marbles. Shame. I saw FS circa '86 and - against my better judgement here - I have to say he was really good live, particularly the speeded up Vincent routine. And whilst I know it's not the greatest accolade in the world, he's the best Elvis impersonator I've seen! Keith NP Echoboy - giraffe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:26:04 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux Is everyone's copy of send redux warped? Not much point in taking it back to the shop if the entire batch was warped (as often happens) which is why I ask. The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be overlooked. Whose cretinous idea was it to seal up the inner sleeve with that stupid sticker? The last thing I want is to scratch the record before I've even played it! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Bruce Gilbert & Fennesz living up the ArseElectronic CD-R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:25:14 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Trumans Water Trumans Water and I'm Being Good are now on tour in Europe and these are shows that shouldn't be missed by anyone into post-Sonic Youth guitar noiserock energy. 3/6 : LONDON : Underworld w/ Ten Grand 4/6 : NOTTINGHAM : Rescue Rooms w/ Ten Grand 5/6 : MANCHESTER : Tmesis w/ Tsuji Giri 6/6 : DUBLIN : Whelans w/ Wormholes 7/6 : LEEDS : Cardigan Arms 8/6 : BIRMINGHAM : Bar Academy (Birmingham Academy) w/ Distophia 9/6 : BRIGHTON : Freebutt w/ Michael Burns 10/6 : PARIS : Guingette Pirate 11/6 : BRUSSELLS : Magazijn 4 12/6 : LIEGE : tbc 13/6 : AMSTERDAM : Occi 14/6 : HAMBURG: tbc 15/6-23/6 : Scandinavian dates TBC The new Trumans Water album 'You are in the line of fire and they are shooting at you is out on Homesleep (www.homesleep.it) on July 7 and is as goodly rockin' as ever. Here's some blurb: Within 2 years of forming in San Diego, CA in 1991, TRUMANS WATER were literally splattered all over the media. Featured in magazines and newspapers ranging from Spin to NME to Melody Maker to the New York Times, TRUMANS WATER were hailed as the bringers of punk rock's "next level;" this being at a time when the ailing musical climate blinded itself enough to believe that MTV and "gateway bands" like NIRVANA and GREEN DAY could possibly be their ticket out of the doldrums of 3-chord excess. By 1995 (and after releasing 8 full-length albums, a 6-song 10", 3 cassettes and 8 7" singles), the band reached a major turning point with a 3-way split- Kirk Branstetter relocating to Portland, OR to reform TW with new drummer Kevin Cascell while his brother Kevin divided his time between the band's new homebase and Paris, France. Glen Galloway remained in San Diego with his blossoming family and new band SOUL JUNK. In 1998, TRUMANS WATER resurfaced as a 4-piece again with the return of Glen. They released the band's (by this time) 11th full-length album Fragments of a Lucky Break on Emperor Jones Records; more importantly, they proved that transglobal barriers could not keep them apart. They toured the US and Europe extensively for the next year, with and without Glen. Fast-forward four more years to the present, 2003. TRUMANS WATER are now an 11-year running institution of modern rock music. They have shared the stage with bands such as BECK, THE JESUS LIZARD, POLVO, BABES IN TOYLAND, GUIDED BY VOICES, ROCKET FROM THE CRYPT, THE BOREDOMS, Elliot Sharp's CARBON and DOO RAG and while on their only day off during their month-long European tour in March of this year, they showed up at a FALL gig and got a spot on the bill- no booking agent, no contract! Such are the fruits of the continuous laboring of one of the best rock bands to survive the 90's and continue into the new millennium. ! Trumans Water has also had some random collaboration/help from many great people, including Thurston Moore, Tim Green (FUCKING CHAMPS and NATION OF ULYSSES), King Coffey (BUTTHOLE SURFERS), Chan Marshall (CAT POWER), Jason Reece (...AND YOU WILL KNOW US BY THE TRAIL OF DEAD) and AZALIA SNAIL. Their next record will be released on the Italian indie label Homesleep Records. Here's some blurb o I'm Being Good: A lazy version of me (i.e. me) would say "I'M BEING GOOD sound like TRUMANS WATER meets SONIC YOUTH meets UNWOUND". I have done before. Actually I'M BEING GOOD sound like a whole load more other bands, but they still always end up sounding like I'M BEING GOOD. Let the quotes do the talking. "At present, Brighton's I'M BEING GOOD are retreading the steps of the late, lamented American band POLVO, slinging deleriously woozy lead guitars over tightly wound, angular art-rock foundations. At a time when most British bands disport themselves in worthless second-hand signifiers, there are worse precedents to build on, and I'M BEING GOOD are to be admired for attempting anything interesting amid a culture of T*PLOADER NME cover stories". (Sunday Times) "Possibly the only band still trying to use music as a form of expression rather than as some kind of detatched fucking genre-points scheme". (School of Hard Cocks Magazine) "I'M BEING GOOD have been playing in various forms for nigh on six years now *(ahem, now 10)* and their guitar oriented quasi-improv blather has reached absurdly great heights. Hearing a new CD or watching them play live has become one of the few genuine highlights of the 'postrock' or whatever it's called this week calendar. The eleven pieces presented here capture the band at a new high, as they roll tunes into spit balls and fire them across a shifting rhythmic structure with the casual abandon that only the truly talented can muster. The fact that these guys aren't world famous is a testament to the genuine clarity of their vision". (Fringecore Magazine) for more info check out: www.trumanswater.com www.homesleep.it www.imbeinggood.com Manchester gig lowdown at Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:22:01 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux On Wednesday, Jun 4, 2003, at 15:26 America/Detroit, Bill Hick wrote: > Is everyone's copy of send redux warped? > > Not much point in taking it back to the shop if the entire batch was > warped > (as often happens) which is why I ask. > > Whose cretinous idea was it to seal up the inner sleeve with that > stupid > sticker? The last thing I want is to scratch the record before I've > even > played it! my copy is warped. and i too thought the inner sleeve sticker unnecessary & bothersome. i took some care in unsealing it, but unlike the outer sleeve (whose surfaces were equal) the uneven cut resulted in a less appealing resolution. that said, i think the vinyl sounds great. i like the edits of most of the songs, especially 'spent' and 'read and burn'. doesn't work so well on '99.9', as might have been predicted. and i would give the packaging an A+ if not for the aforementioned sticker. a (slightly mixed) blessing. kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:31:33 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:26:04PM +0100, Bill Hick wrote: > NP Bruce Gilbert & Fennesz living up the ArseElectronic CD-R As they say, Tell Us More. I'm intrigued, though I can't speak for anyone else. - - A - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:36:20 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? White Derek (as you will always be to me too !) Comet seems the obvious choice to me & Spent is awesome too.They would be my choices.Can I just say I much prefer the vinyl Send to the CD.It kicks ass in that little bit harder way. With maybe the exception of Mr Marxs Table.Are you with me or against me on this one? A question to the masses.Just done a dumb thing & bought a CDS by Buffalo Tom> What's wrong with that you may ask? Well for some bizzare reason I had it in my head they were Dinosaur Jr .Anybody else done something similar.The only other occasion this happened that I can recall was in 1980 when I asked for a Fall album for my birthday & my sister bought me an album by The Wall.Remember them? Didn't last long in my collection. But I have several Dinosaur Jr records.Why on earth would I get that confused? Chris 43 & getting worried.... NP.Send - Vinyl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:41:01 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter In a message dated 04/06/2003 18:12:47 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Anyone see that programme about FS a couple of yrs ago? He really did seem > as if he'd lost his marbles. Shame. I saw FS circa '86 and - against my > better judgement here - I have to say he was really good live, particularly > the speeded up Vincent routine. > > And whilst I know it's not the greatest accolade in the world, he's the best > Elvis impersonator I've seen! > > Oh God! Ok I will own up to it.I saw Freddie Starr about 1990 in Blackpool & who was supporting him.None other than....... ....... Wait for it..... Dana Chris NP All kinds of everything ...No actually.Ian McCulloch --Candleland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:41:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 6/4/03 3:32:38 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << NP Bruce Gilbert & Fennesz living up the ArseElectronic CD-R As they say, Tell Us More. I'm intrigued, though I can't speak for anyone else. - A >> yes..i assume that this is the ARS Electronic thingy? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:42:52 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 04/06/2003 20:28:21 GMT Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be overlooked. > > Whose cretinous idea was it to seal up the inner sleeve with that stupid > sticker? The last thing I want is to scratch the record before I've even > played it! > Agreed Graeme although mine is not warped that sticker on both the inner & outer sleeve is a pain in the arse.Did the same with the Pink Flag single in 2000 as well. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:00:42 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux Er hang on. What's all this about an inner *and* an outer sleeve? My copy came in a plain white sleeve *only* - with the label visible through the hole cut in it. (Not that the labels have anything printed on them other than a small black flag on one of them.) The sticker seals this plain white sleeve. Am I to assume that there is another sleeve that fits round this? If so I am assuming it looks like the cover to the CD? Can somebody verify that my copy is missing its outer sleeve or not? Help! Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com >To: umur_ot@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:42:52 EDT > >In a message dated 04/06/2003 20:28:21 GMT Daylight Time, >umur_ot@hotmail.com >writes: > > > > The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be overlooked. > > > > Whose cretinous idea was it to seal up the inner sleeve with that stupid > > sticker? The last thing I want is to scratch the record before I've even > > played it! > > > >Agreed Graeme > although mine is not warped that sticker on both the inner & outer sleeve >is >a pain in the arse.Did the same with the Pink Flag single in 2000 as well. > Chris _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:04:36 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux Just to clarify mine came with 2 white card sleeves.An inner & an outer with the red sticked on each one sealing the open end.Did everyone reveive similar? Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:10:41 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Sometimes this list really spooks me. I've been listening to Buffalo Tom today too. Not through my own choice really: I was taping some albums of a friend's for him who hasn't got a turntable anymore. I do have the first Buffalo Tom album as I really liked the opening track Sunflower Suit. But I haven't played it in years. If I do want to listen to something like that I'll stick on a Dinosaur Jr album - so I understand where you're coming from Chris. But the point I wanted to make is that their lyrics are awful. Really really awful. Even worse than the Cranberries. If you don't believe me have a look here: http://www.landoflyrics.com/cgi-bin/displayalbums.pl?artist=39 The Wall? Top band. Saw them support Stiff Little Fingers in 1981. The album is a bit pants but the early singles are worth a dip: Ghetto and New Way(?) particularly. Mind you I was recommending Chron Gen's Reality a couple of weeks ago. Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com >To: zak_blakk@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:36:20 EDT > >White Derek (as you will always be to me too !) > > Comet seems the obvious choice to me & Spent is awesome too.They would be >my >choices.Can I just say I much prefer the vinyl Send to the CD.It kicks ass >in >that little bit harder way. With maybe the exception of Mr Marxs Table.Are >you with me or against me on this one? >A question to the masses.Just done a dumb thing & bought a CDS by Buffalo >Tom> >What's wrong with that you may ask? Well for some bizzare reason I had it >in >my head they were Dinosaur Jr .Anybody else done something similar.The only >other occasion this happened that I can recall was in 1980 when I asked for >a >Fall album for my birthday & my sister bought me an album by The >Wall.Remember >them? >Didn't last long in my collection. >But I have several Dinosaur Jr records.Why on earth would I get that >confused? > Chris 43 & getting worried.... > > >NP.Send - Vinyl _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:14:02 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux Hi Chris Two sleeves *and* two stickers???!!! Mine is one sticker on one sleeve. Do both your sleeves have holes in the centre or is the outer one uncut? John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com >To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:04:36 EDT > >Just to clarify mine came with 2 white card sleeves.An inner & an outer >with >the red sticked on each one sealing the open end.Did everyone reveive >similar? > Cheers Chris _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:40:35 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy][OT] Family/Fripp/Seger > > The backing band on Dolphins was Family, if I recall. They did pretty >much > > unrehearsed, which is impressive. > > > >No kidding? > >(runs to DVD player with PAL/NTSC converter and pops in OGWT DVD) > >Huh - so that's what they look like. You can tell you're not from Leicester Paul. As Family are if you weren't aware. 8-) The subject of vinyl reminds me of some records I've listened to today and thus two questions I wanted to ask anyone in the know:  I'm sitting here listening to Eno's Warm Jets LP. (Playing it as one of the tracks features in a novel my partner's reading - Dennis Cooper, Frisk.) How much is Fripp's other stuff like this album?  I had two of Head's albums on earlier. Never thought anything of them when they were around and still don't. And also featuring a Nick Shephard of Cortinas and final Clash line up infamy on there too. Very unlike Pop Group imo. Can't see how you go from Pop Group to Head. From Pop Group to Mark Stewart and the Mafia yes. Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:43:46 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? CHRIS chose wisely: > Comet seems the obvious choice to me & Spent is awesome too. Count me in... (but I'm repeating myself here) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:44:05 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux the inner sleeve is much thinner than the outer , both are sealed with the same red sticker. could i guess that the band paid for thick white sleeves , got sent thin flimsy ones , complained , got sent the correct thicker ones then stuffed the sealed thin sleeves inside the thick ones and re-sealed them again? or maybe it was designed that way as a concept........... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:45:42 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 04/06/2003 22:44:05 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn writes: > the inner sleeve is much thinner than the outer , both are sealed with the > same red sticker. could i guess that the band paid for thick white sleeves , > got sent thin flimsy ones , complained , got sent the correct thicker ones > then stuffed the sealed thin sleeves inside the thick ones and re-sealed them > again? > > or maybe it was designed that way as a concept........... p > > Good lord.I think you may be right Paul.But how does that explain our John's who only received one? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:48:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? In a message dated 6/4/03 10:11:41 PM GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > The Wall? Top band. Saw them support Stiff Little Fingers in 1981. The > album is a bit pants but the early singles are worth a dip: Ghetto and New > Way(?) particularly. Mind you I was recommending Chron Gen's Reality a > couple of weeks ago. //////never saw them but always thought "hobby for a day" was a great single , but i guess their punky image scared a lot of indie types off. original singer ian lowery then did ski patrol , who were also well worth a listen. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:51:16 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux For me it's: Two sleeves, both white, both with holes so the flag (and the non-flag) shows through , both with the same sticker. The outer sleeve is a little heavier cardstock. Vinyl is warped. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > Hi Chris > > Two sleeves *and* two stickers???!!! > > Mine is one sticker on one sleeve. > > Do both your sleeves have holes in the centre or is the outer one uncut? > > John > > > > http://www.surf.to/ambition > > > > > > >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > >To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:04:36 EDT > > > >Just to clarify mine came with 2 white card sleeves.An inner & an outer > >with > >the red sticked on each one sealing the open end.Did everyone reveive > >similar? > > Cheers Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:52:51 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Ian Lowery?! Oh no - that's another album I had to tape today! I didnt' realise he was in The Wall. I know (?) he used to be in the Folk Devils and King Blank. BTW I thought Ian Lowery Group and King Blank were pants. Macho rock posturing and a poor man's Nick Cave imo. I did hear Folk Devils many years ago and from what I remember a bit like a poor man's Birthday Party? John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, CHRISWIRE@aol.com, >zak_blakk@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:48:43 EDT > >In a message dated 6/4/03 10:11:41 PM GMT Daylight Time, >johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > > > > The Wall? Top band. Saw them support Stiff Little Fingers in 1981. >The > > album is a bit pants but the early singles are worth a dip: Ghetto and >New > > Way(?) particularly. Mind you I was recommending Chron Gen's Reality a > > couple of weeks ago. > >//////never saw them but always thought "hobby for a day" was a great >single >, but i guess their punky image scared a lot of indie types off. original >singer ian lowery then did ski patrol , who were also well worth a listen. >p _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:59:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? > //////never saw them but always thought "hobby for a day" was a great > single > , but i guess their punky image scared a lot of indie types off. original > singer ian lowery then did ski patrol , who were also well worth a listen. p > Then The Folk Devils, King Blank and er.. The Ian Lowery Group. FDs' 'Brian Jones's Bastard Son' is a fantastic lost single. Is he still going? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:01:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > Good lord.I think you may be right Paul.But how does that explain our > John's > who only received one? > I remember Mr Roberts complaining to PE, then getting his copy - then an announcement about the wrong sleeves. So John, you've got the rare "wrong sleeve" version (ie no sleeve!!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:04:16 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? Hey People I must apologise.I did not get rid of that album by The Wall "Dirges & Anthems"- I have it her.Still in my collection.It came with a free 3 track EP too.And a Send type sticker that sealed the open cover. Guess what I'll be playing next ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:06:05 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Ian Lowery >Then The Folk Devils, King Blank and er.. The Ian Lowery Group. > >FDs' 'Brian Jones's Bastard Son' is a fantastic lost single. > >Is he still going? > >Mark > Doesn't appear so. There's a biog here which finishes at King Blank: http://www.trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=folk_devils But the things that Google turns up eh? Found out that one of Ian Lowery Group/King Blank is now in Bush: http://www.bush-music.com/nigel.html John _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:08:23 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux I think I might have a problem proving that! Or, anyone who hasn't broken their seal/bought the vinyl yet might just get their copy, break the outer seal, place outer sleeve in bin and hey presto - a rarity! 8-) John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: CHRISWIRE@aol.com, PaulRabjohn@aol.com, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, > idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:01:18 EDT > > > > Good lord.I think you may be right Paul.But how does that explain our > > John's > > who only received one? > > >I remember Mr Roberts complaining to PE, then getting his copy - then an >announcement about the wrong sleeves. So John, you've got the rare "wrong >sleeve" >version (ie no sleeve!!) > >Mark > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:14:01 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP LA Cancelled In a message dated 6/4/03 9:21:22 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >ATP should have been held in San Francisco.... > or new york :o) - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:01:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? > I did hear Folk Devils many years ago and from > what I remember a bit like a poor man's Birthday Party? > > John Weren't the Folk Devils the band that split up during an interview with one of the weekly music mags. The singer said something like "I'm not staying in this band forever. In fact, that's it I'm quitting". Or something like that. Keith NP last years Mojo 20 reggae classics cd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:03:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > For me it's: Two sleeves, both white, both with holes so the flag (and the > non-flag) shows through , both with the same sticker. The outer sleeve is a > little heavier cardstock. Vinyl is warped. > > Steve No-one's really selling this LP to me at the moment ; ) So how do the versions differ from the cd? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:11:14 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux Keith it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than the CD in my opinion.There are differences in the tracks but it's the overall impact of listening to the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to the Non Flag Side.If you know what I mean! I don't suppose you do. I'll try again.There are more Wire tracks on it too.It gels better.Oh God this is getting nowhere.Just buy the bloody record & tell me I'm wrong 8:) Chris NP Appliance - Go Native CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:21:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] How many sleeves? I have two sleeves with my copy. :-) MM --- John Roberts wrote: > Er hang on. What's all this about an inner *and* an > outer sleeve? > > My copy came in a plain white sleeve *only* - with > the label visible through > the hole cut in it. (Not that the labels have > anything printed on them > other than a small black flag on one of them.) The > sticker seals this plain > white sleeve. > > Am I to assume that there is another sleeve that > fits round this? If so I > am assuming it looks like the cover to the CD? Can > somebody verify that my > copy is missing its outer sleeve or not? Help! > > Cheers > > John > > http://www.surf.to/ambition > > > >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > >To: umur_ot@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:42:52 EDT > > > >In a message dated 04/06/2003 20:28:21 GMT Daylight > Time, > >umur_ot@hotmail.com > >writes: > > > > > > > The joys of thicker vinyl are not to be > overlooked. > > > > > > Whose cretinous idea was it to seal up the inner > sleeve with that stupid > > > sticker? The last thing I want is to scratch the > record before I've even > > > played it! > > > > > > >Agreed Graeme > > although mine is not warped that sticker on both > the inner & outer sleeve > >is > >a pain in the arse.Did the same with the Pink Flag > single in 2000 as well. > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:22:42 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 04:11 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > Keith > .......Just buy the bloody record & tell me I'm wrong 8:) > Chris Is the bloody record rare? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:26:07 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Reduxmm could i guess that the band paid > for thick white sleeves , got > sent thin flimsy ones , complained , got sent the > correct thicker ones then > stuffed the sealed thin sleeves inside the thick > ones and re-sealed them again? This is what I thought... ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:26:59 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 05/06/2003 00:23:33 GMT Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > Is the bloody record rare? > Ed > > I suppose so.But it's well done too ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:29:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Send Redux --- CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > Keith > it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than > the CD in my > opinion.There are differences in the tracks but it's > the overall impact of listening to > the Flag Side turning it over & then listening to > the Non Flag Side. > NP Appliance - Go Native CDS Chris, I couldn't agree with you more here. I love the lp version. So much energy! Plus, it's fun to play a new release on the wheel of steel. MM ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:31:28 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 04:26 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/06/2003 00:23:33 GMT Daylight Time, > edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > > >> Is the bloody record rare? >> Ed >> >> > > I suppose so.But it's well done too ! Sort of a happy medium? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:33:48 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux In a message dated 05/06/2003 00:32:17 GMT Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > I suppose so.But it's well done too ! > > Sort of a happy medium? > Definately.I'd steak my record collection on it.That's enough from me ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] warped send/those naughty French. .......y'all seem to forget that the L.P was pressed in France,they no doubt realised that most pressings would go to Britain and a few to the U.s of A. Who attacked poor Iraq? for (not) having weapons of mass destruction?Who didn't,and still gets 'bad publicity' in you know where.... France 1 USA/Britain 0 as for warped,sounds like they were pressed too hot or cooled too quickly. .The sticker definitely takes the Brass Anarak for most stoopid idea this year.Ari n.p Eno/Byrne my life in the bush of ghosts (O.O.P version,rock on Tommy) Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:49:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warped Send Redux > it doesn't need to be sold to you.It's better than the CD in my > opinion. And mine. I'm also planning to make PF456 Unredux, ie a CD of the longer versions of all the R&B/Send songs, in the same sequence as on the vinyl ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] J.R asked  I'm sitting here listening to Eno's Warm Jets LP. (Playing it as one of the tracks features in a novel my partner's reading - Dennis Cooper, Frisk.) > How much is Fripp's other stuff like this album? on occasions John,on occasions......Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:57:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] SEND: Single signals? In a message dated 6/4/2003 10:54:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > >>BTW I thought Ian Lowery Group and King Blank were pants. Macho rock > posturing and a poor man's Nick Cave imo. << Never heard ILG. From what I remember of King Blank, your description is pretty fair! > >> I did hear Folk Devils many years ago and from what I remember a bit > like a poor man's Birthday Party?<< I just liked that Brian Jones... single. Can't remember any more and I don't think I've got any of their records... 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