From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #161 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 3 2003 Volume 06 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Paradiso = EGL- 1 AT- 0 [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson [James Wallis ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Tombola 2009, Who are the heroes tonight? ["Jan J Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Aerogramme [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] OT: Records for sale ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] Biting Tongues [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Stereophonics/ ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Stereophonics/ [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Murder list week 22 (third week at 1) ["Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Paradiso = EGL- 1 AT- 0 Hi folks back at work after trip to Amsterdam Another great performance from the boys on Thursday, can't say I cared for any of the other acts on show...no ryme or reason to the programming of this 'Tombola 2009' event that I could discern. Unless all these acts are on Konkurrent on something. In the sprit of the IC massive, I nicked Graham's set- list from the stage. When I looked at it later it was the 'Pink flag' setlist and not what they had played. Cheeky monkey! A guy came over to say hello 'cos he recognised me from previous wire gigs and I took him to be Jan (Noorda) however he is (another) the Jan and lurks hereabouts later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:53:06 +0100 From: James Wallis Subject: [idealcopy] Band banter In message , Tim writes >Thats was my point! > >At the Flag:Burning show, Wire uttered not a "hello", "goodbye", "On >Bass...Graham Lewis" or "thankyou". >All I recall Colin saying all night was, "Alright, ere it is again...and its >called....12XU"! Was nobody else at Reading 1990? The band appeared, Graham strode to the front of the stage, gazed out over the sea of assembled and largely unclad rock-kids, paused and said, "Number four on your song-sheets -- Abide with Me" At this point the audio on my tape is interrupted by the sound of me pissing myself laughing. - -- James Wallis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:02:16 +0100 From: James Wallis Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson In message , HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes >Unfortunately Mark, I have to tell you that you seem to be right on all >counts here - not that I'm a KC fan either, but I was intrigued by >their comeback >as a callow 16 year old as there was so much fuss about it. > >Belew was also responsible for an album called the Lone Rhino, from which >there was a magnificent and unjustly neglected single called 'Big >Electric Cat'. >I say this, though everyone I've ever played it to thought it was shit. Belew was also responsible for some amazing work with Laurie Anderson circa Home of the Brave, and can be seen on her film of the concert playing a guitar with a rubber neck. "Big Electric Cat" is great; also "I am what I am", which may be off the same album, or a different one. For those who aren't against the odd sweeping generalisation I reckon his work's been not so good in the last ten years or so, although he did produce the first album from Boston's godlike Irresponsibles. - -- James Wallis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:43:03 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson > Should I award myself a golden progger's cape to go with the anorak?? "Liberace" Bursacrap? ;-) http://www.foe.com/grand2002/pickard/liberace.jpg Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:44:11 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter In a message dated 6/1/2003 9:44:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > I seem to remember Wir at Sheffield Leadmill circa 1990 where they were > distinctly 'cheesed off' for whatever reason & proceeded to play the 2nd > half of the gig as one long melody of their entire back > catalogue at some > considerable speed ////was this on the manscape tour? sounds a great one to have a tape of.............p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:50:08 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009, Who are the heroes tonight? It was warm on the 29th of May. I decided to walk from Amsterdam Railway station up to the center. Trolleys overcrowded. Lot of beggar musicians on the street. Cause E is where the Blues. Highlight in this genre probably a in traditional clothing ensemble out of the Tuva region, singing playing music from Mongolia near the Rijksmuseum. Overtone throat sounds. Frank Zappa years ago presented to western world musicians Huun Huur Tu and now a comparable ensemble already plays on the streets in Amsterdam. Culture reduced to instant thrown away music or... maybe it is fun to see such kind of variety in the city on streets for free. I reached my sleeping address. Friends of mine are living near the center. In the garden the first beer appeared. Jos Moers, just for fun and not ambitious at all, his own words, but released in small amounts 7" singles http://www.meeuw.net/muzak.html , decided not to go up to Wire. We went up to the Paradiso for about 7.30. Tickets 14.00 Euro each and member-ship. A man gives me a flyer with the following on it FabChannel Concerts On Line. We can see on the internet the following WIRE, Aerogramme, Hidden Cameras, Aaron Richies, Alasdair Roberts. It should be there the 4th of June on http://www.fabchannel.com/frameset.php A first familiar face. Klaas Schippers, formerly musician of L.U.L. and nowadays Solbakken. He also works for De Konkurrent. Say hello to him. He answers back, but with a straight face. Maybe he has something to do with the festival. I know what kind of stress there could be be by organizing festivals. Down in the big room, a man with a guitar climbs the stage. This must be Aaron Richies. I think it is cool for him to play here and not on the streets. Sorry for him I am in a different mood. Aerogramme appears. A kind of rock-act. Do not know them. I think American band. Not impressed. We decided to go upstairs. A band called Eastern Lane is on stage. That's better. Down stairs again. The Hidden Cameras are moving up to play. They are from Toronto and looked like if, they were coming from Toni Boltini's Circus. A kind of theater act. Reminds me a little of Band of Holy Joy from the 80's, but with a too positive outlook. Later a review in the Dutch paper NRC calls them the high-light of this festival. More familiar faces. Robert, from Vera. He tells me Igor and Sjikzelf from buroagogo are here also. And Fritz de Jong. He tells me he missed Wire in London at the moment he was in the city. Formerly he was the fantastic drum-hitter from Dokkumer Lokaeltsje and L.U.L also. They were big fans of This Heat and Wire. Frits drum-play even reminded me a little of Charles Hayward's. But Frits stopped. I was with there they gave Colin Newman a demo cassette and asked him to produce their coming album somewhere in 83-84. Frits told me now: Colin answered later back that it was not necessary to take him as producer. It was made good already. WHO ARE THE HEROES TONIGHT? For me no doubt. It all started with 99.9. Nice to hear this at that volume. Details coming through. Colin appears. He looks quiet. First time I see him performing with glasses on. Every one get's older and here is the evidence fierce-rock music is not just for, or made by young people. Yes I even would say all the other bands I heard tonight look like or behave like teenagers. Maybe I am getting older too. Bruce, Robert and Graham following and Read and Burn starts. All the tracks they can play live and we already had heard were played. High Volume. Sound is great. A lot of people are dancing. Three encores. The highlight for me was Strange. I had never seen and heard this by them live. And with that sound. MMmmmm. With a grin from ear to ear. I was hoping some new sounds or new songs were tried out. Forgot a little the sequence of the songs. Hope I get a new chance when it appears on the mentioned web-tv. Unfortunately no merchandise of them. Was a nice chance to buy now Akatombo, or two cute buttons. One for myself and one for.... THE OTHER DAY Up to Staalplaat. Bought some missing Touch releases. Later the evening up to the Balie. Jon Woz. presents Chris Watson's Weather Report. Time-Lapse audio. The images of Jon are not his best, but sound is great. Modern way of listening, sit or lay on a bag. The second performance was by David Shea. He played live with at his back-ground a cut-up documentarie about Hijackers. Spoke later with Roland Spekle the organizer of this. He was my sonic sound dealer and founder of the label Barooni, and Impact-festival in Utrecht, and Steim Studio concert organizer, and now the Balie small concerts organizer under the name Interzone. http://www.balie.nl/live/ Later he asked me to come to a concert the next day by John Oswald and DJ Olive. A Film should be shown called London Orbital. IBTABA. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:02:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter (by numbers) >> Best in between song banter: Jonathan Richman, Howe Gelb, Pere Ubu/David >> Thomas, Frank Sidebottom, Dr. Hook. > your 1,2, and 3 picks would probably make my top ten too. 4 and 5 i haven't > seen, so... Speaking of 1's, 2's, 3's and 4's... Counting an intro can be great between-song banter, so I choose The Ramones! Though of course Jonathan Richman DID made it to 6 in Roadrunner. Philip Glass' "Einstein on the Beach"... the main theme (which is repeated many many times) is the choir singing "1 2 3 4 / 1 2 3 4 5 6 / 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8", counting off the duration that each chord is held. But darn it, that doesn't count cos it's inside the "song". (Rain Man) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:38:56 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick >From: Santa Cruzer >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick/Banter > > like him or not, tony levin is an absolute master on either the stick or >the bass. I must admit to not *really* liking this torturous but very 'proficient' incarnation of KC. However, the 'Stick' thing that Tony Levin plays has always intrigued me: would some Copyist of the muso variety care to e-mail me and tell me about this instrument/device? Like, how many strings does the darn thing have, and how is it tuned....(wags need not point out "by turning the machine heads"..;-) ) I know NOTHING about this instrument, so ANY info would be appreciated. ***(Off-list would probably be best, so we don't put non-musicians in a coma of boredom...........)**** Thanx in advance................. Derek there are > > the ones who, because of some great gift or > > technical ability, have the > > potential to do something great, yet always seem to > > screw it up. > > >===== >Rick Hindman, 3R Productions >PO Box 7770 >Santa Cruz, CA 95062 >t: (831) 425-7335 >f: (831) 425-7356 >http://www.3rproductions.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:12:21 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Re:K C & 'gifted people screwing up...' >>From: Santa Cruzer >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick/Banter >> >there are the ones who, because of some great gift or technical ability, >>have the potential to do something great, yet always seem to screw it up. Step forward *any number* of 'rawk' and metal guitarists, who have awesome technique, but absolutely NO TASTE WHATSOEVER, and just widdle all over their work in some sort of "Look how fast I can go , Ma"-type of exercise. The *Worst* offenders are: probably no 1 :- Steve Vai: former Zappa apprentice, and the Devil's guitar-player in the film 'Crossroads' no 2 :- Yngwie Malmsteen: Again, immaculate technique, but output irredeemably unlistenable Joe Satriani escapes the cut by having at least an ear for melody, and some modicum of taste.......... Give me someone who only knows six chords, can't really solo, but has *IDEAS* and something to say for themselves any day of the week........... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:38:48 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009, Who are the heroes tonight? > It was warm on the 29th of May... Great and extensive review here Jan! So very sad I could not be there! :-(( It's no comfort at all that, still a bit hungover from the night before, I saw Glaswegian Aerogramme & our other friends from the north (Newcastle/Berwick) Eastern Lane "the night after" in Vera. Aerogramme (emo-core?) did nothing for me, but some Eastern Lane tunes I quite liked. Their singer looked like Bob Pollard's greatgrandson (I guess they all must be 15 or so). Bart (emo-core...? Taking the shoegazer thing a bit further up to the point that their heads get stuck in the sand? Oh riiight... that's EMU!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:21 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009, Who are the heroes tonight? On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:38:48PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > It was warm on the 29th of May... > > > Great and extensive review here Jan! > So very sad I could not be there! :-(( > > It's no comfort at all that, still a bit hungover from the night before, I > saw Glaswegian Aerogramme & our other friends from the north > (Newcastle/Berwick) Eastern Lane "the night after" in Vera. Aerogramme > (emo-core?) did nothing for me Not heard them described as that before; sure, their lyrics tend towards the emotional, but musically I see them as being good, creative, but fundamentally quite straight-ahead alt-rock. "Sleep and Release" is an album I've thoroughly enjoyed. (Incidentally, half the band used to be in the post-rockers Ganger.) Their album features one wonderful phrase in the sleeve-notes: "This album contains no guest performances from bands more successful than we are." - - A - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:59:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick >>I know NOTHING about this instrument, so ANY info would be appreciated.<< Plenty of available sites on google - search "chapman stick" Eg http://www.stickent.com/ I suspect it's an interesting and useful instrument if played with a certain amount of economy. However I'd guess that most users are hardcore musos, and therefore the tyranny of Technique rules the roost, sadly. Issue one to Mr Gilbert immediately! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 06:59:53 -0700 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 05:38 AM, Derek White wrote: >> From: Santa Cruzer >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson/Levin/Stick/Banter > I must admit to not *really* liking this torturous but very > 'proficient' incarnation of KC. However, the 'Stick' thing that Tony > Levin plays has always intrigued me: would some Copyist of the muso > variety care to e-mail me and tell me about this instrument/device? > Like, how many strings does the darn thing have, and how is it > tuned....(wags need not point out "by turning the machine heads"..;-) > ) > I know NOTHING about this instrument, so ANY info would be appreciated. > ***(Off-list would probably be best, so we don't put non-musicians in > a coma of boredom...........)**** > Thanx in advance................. > Derek > I'll do this on-list. Here's some starting places: The Chapman Stick. was invented by Emmett Chapman about thirty years ago. The Stick is a ten- or twelve-stringed instrument that has strings going from the range of a bass to that of a guitar. It is played not by holding the strings down and strumming as with a guitar but by tapping the strings on the fretboard. This allows the player to use both hands independently to produce music........ http://www.stick.com/ http://www.otheroom.com/chapman.htm http://xstick.sourceforge.net/ http://traevoli.com/tapping.php Hope this is helpful. I played fretless bass and electronics with "Inserts", and eclectic improvisational electronics band about 20 years ago and two of the members had each used Chapman Sticks. My younger brother also plays one. I hope to hear from you again. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:01:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009, Who are the heroes tonight? << our other friends from the north > (Newcastle/Berwick) >> Berwick is so far in the north of England that it's football team plays in the Scottish league. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:30:01 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:The Vines: who likes them anyhow? > > > mind you , the vines are worse. p > > > > The Vines are a soap opera masquerading as a band, only with lower >production values. >So does *anyone* like The Vines here? //// Don't look in my direction, I think they blow harder than an October gale........ Perhaps the question is would anyone who does like them actually own up to it?...;-) What was it Lou Reed said about them on 'Later...' the other week? "He'll be good if he lives long enough? Well, anyone remember that Hammer flick "She", with Ursula Andress? I reckon the vines need a walk in that blue flame if they are to fulfill Lou's 'prediction'.............:-) Derek W. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:30:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Aerogramme >> Aerogramme (emo-core?) did nothing for me > Not heard them described as that before; sure, their lyrics tend > towards the emotional, but musically I see them as being good, > creative, but fundamentally quite straight-ahead alt-rock. "Sleep and > Release" is an album I've thoroughly enjoyed. (Incidentally, half the > band used to be in the post-rockers Ganger.) > Their album features one wonderful phrase in the sleeve-notes: "This album > contains no guest performances from bands more successful than we are." I read the term emo-core on the flyer Andrew and it just made me laugh. Emotional? They certainly were passionate in their performance. Lyricly I couldn't understand a word, but the singer unexpectedly, as they look like wild Vikings (or better yet: Picts) had a tiny sweet Grandaddy-like voice... wich was a nice contrast. His between-songs banter wasn't bad either, asking us to bare with them as this was their last performance of an extensive 11 week tour and they were absolutely exhausted. Good guys, good performance and great accent (you speak like that too Andrew?), but their music isn't really my cup of er... scotch? sorry, it's so obvious. ;-) Bart NP: Ikara Colt / Chat and Business ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:43:16 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Aerogramme On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:30:13PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > absolutely exhausted. Good guys, good performance and great accent (you > speak like that too Andrew?), but their music isn't really my cup of er... > scotch? sorry, it's so obvious. ;-) Shame this is 2003, then (and not 1977)... I actually talk with a (comparatively) very English accent; Edinburgh on the whole isn't home to the strongest of accents anyway, and my mother is English as well; to cap that off, I've been living in Cambridge for (oh hell, is it really that long?) nearly five years. Also, I don't drink. This immediately causes people to doubt my Scottishness :) > NP: Ikara Colt / Chat and Business I adore this record. More, please. (I still can't understand why the NME dumps them in with the 80's Matchbox Aural Disaster and friends... Who cares if they're derivative as hell, *I wasn't around* for the first pass!) - - A - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:18:13 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band banter on 2/6/03 10:53 am, James Wallis at james@erstwhile.demon.co.uk wrote: > In message , Tim writes >> Thats was my point! >> >> At the Flag:Burning show, Wire uttered not a "hello", "goodbye", "On >> Bass...Graham Lewis" or "thankyou". >> All I recall Colin saying all night was, "Alright, ere it is again...and its >> called....12XU"! > > Was nobody else at Reading 1990? The band appeared, Graham strode to the > front of the stage, gazed out over the sea of assembled and largely > unclad rock-kids, paused and said, > > "Number four on your song-sheets -- Abide with Me" > > At this point the audio on my tape is interrupted by the sound of me > pissing myself laughing. I was there - thanks for reminding me of the one liner! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:18:40 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Records for sale Hi A friend of mine is flogging some vinyl and CDs which may be of some interest to listers. I've attached the list. If anyone wants anything off of it I suggest you contact him asap as he's planning on putting it on ebay. Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >10" >Coil - The Unreleased Themes for Hellraiser. Signed on front by John >Balance and incl signed and dated letter from John Balance. (Solar Lodge >COIL001) 1988 > >12" >Psychic TV - Love War Riot/Eve Ov Destruction TOPY 048 (with 2 inserts and >a postcard) >Wire - Kidney Bingos 12MUTE67 >AC Marias - Time Was 12MUTE70 (with A5 flyer insert and Mute Documentary >Evidence leaflet) >HMHB - Let's Not PP26T >HMHB - Dickie Davies Eyes PP21T >Current 93/HOH - Crowleymass MAL108 (orig 1987 release with insert and >pics on labels) >Current 93 - Happy Birthday Pigface Christus LAY18 (orig 1987 release with >insert) > >CD >Current 93 - Looney Runes DURTRO 004CD (1990) >Wire - Manscape ENIGMA/MUTE (US release, slightly different text on >inserts and completely different disc print) > >Vinyl LP >Asmus Tietchens/Terry Burrows - Watching the Burning Bride (Hamster - HAM >16) (1986) >William S Burroughs - The doctor is on the market (Les Temps Moderenes - >V:XX) (1986) >Chris & Cosey - Trance (The original Rough Trade release ROUGH44) (1982) >Current 93 - Imperium (Maldoror MAL777) (Original 1987 pressing with 2 >inserts) >Current 93 - Swastikas for Noddy (LAYLAH LAY20) (Original 1988 pressing >with lyric sheet insert) >HMHB - Back again in the DHSS (PROBE 8) (1987) >Legendary Pink Dots - Brighter Now (Terminal Kaleidoscope TK001) (1986) >Muslimgauze - Abu Nidal (Limited Edition Records LIMITED6) (1987) >Henry Rollins/Gore - Live '87, a side each (EKSAKT Eksakt 034) (1987) >Recoil - 1+2 (Mute STUMM 31) (either with 45rpm or 33rpm on labels) > >and, ahem... >Soft Cell - The Singles (Some Bizzare BIZLP3) >Rush - Permanent Waves (Anthem ANR-T-1021) >Neil Young - Decade (3 x LP) (Reprise K64037) >Echo & The Bunnymen - Heaven up here (either the German or UK release) (KOW >58 320 or KODE 3) > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:29:39 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Records for sale Of course it would help if I gave you his email address: Stuart.Fairbrother@tudor-rose.co.uk Cheers John >>10" >>Coil - The Unreleased Themes for Hellraiser. Signed on front by John >>Balance and incl signed and dated letter from John Balance. (Solar Lodge >>COIL001) 1988 >> >>12" >>Psychic TV - Love War Riot/Eve Ov Destruction TOPY 048 (with 2 inserts >>and a postcard) >>Wire - Kidney Bingos 12MUTE67 >>AC Marias - Time Was 12MUTE70 (with A5 flyer insert and Mute Documentary >>Evidence leaflet) >>HMHB - Let's Not PP26T >>HMHB - Dickie Davies Eyes PP21T >>Current 93/HOH - Crowleymass MAL108 (orig 1987 release with insert and >>pics on labels) >>Current 93 - Happy Birthday Pigface Christus LAY18 (orig 1987 release >>with insert) >> >>CD >>Current 93 - Looney Runes DURTRO 004CD (1990) >>Wire - Manscape ENIGMA/MUTE (US release, slightly different text on >>inserts and completely different disc print) >> >>Vinyl LP >>Asmus Tietchens/Terry Burrows - Watching the Burning Bride (Hamster - HAM >>16) (1986) >>William S Burroughs - The doctor is on the market (Les Temps Moderenes - >>V:XX) (1986) >>Chris & Cosey - Trance (The original Rough Trade release ROUGH44) (1982) >>Current 93 - Imperium (Maldoror MAL777) (Original 1987 pressing with 2 >>inserts) >>Current 93 - Swastikas for Noddy (LAYLAH LAY20) (Original 1988 pressing >>with lyric sheet insert) >>HMHB - Back again in the DHSS (PROBE 8) (1987) >>Legendary Pink Dots - Brighter Now (Terminal Kaleidoscope TK001) (1986) >>Muslimgauze - Abu Nidal (Limited Edition Records LIMITED6) (1987) >>Henry Rollins/Gore - Live '87, a side each (EKSAKT Eksakt 034) (1987) >>Recoil - 1+2 (Mute STUMM 31) (either with 45rpm or 33rpm on labels) >> >>and, ahem... >>Soft Cell - The Singles (Some Bizzare BIZLP3) >>Rush - Permanent Waves (Anthem ANR-T-1021) >>Neil Young - Decade (3 x LP) (Reprise K64037) >>Echo & The Bunnymen - Heaven up here (either the German or UK release) >>(KOW 58 320 or KODE 3) >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:37:43 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Aerogramme > I actually talk with a (comparatively) very English accent; Edinburgh > on the whole isn't home to the strongest of accents anyway, and my > mother is English as well; to cap that off, I've been living in > Cambridge for (oh hell, is it really that long?) nearly five years. Edinburgh? Ow ok, I thought you were from Glasgow too. Hope that isn't as much as an insult as it would be in Holland (e.g. between R'dam & A'dam). > Also, I don't drink. This immediately causes people to doubt my > Scottishness :) Yeah, I remember that from a previous whisky-thread. I guess in this I COULD be mistaken for a Scotsman. ;-) >> NP: Ikara Colt / Chat and Business > I adore this record. More, please. (I still can't understand why the NME > dumps them in with the 80's Matchbox Aural Disaster and friends... Who > cares if they're derivative as hell, *I wasn't around* for the first pass!) I was around, but don't care at All! Lovely energetic record this! NME are fools! Bart (now hearing: a superb and severe thunder/lightning!) NP: Breeders / Title TK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:25:42 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Biting Tongues Liked the sound of that Crispy Ambulance / Biting Tongues gig! Thanks for the review Keith. Maybe someone can confirm, but I always link Biting Tounges with Graham from 808 State. Was he in the line-up? Certainly the few tracks I have on compilations still sound good to me. Do they have current material? MarkB's setlist sounded like a top selection. Would love to hear 'Pump' cranked out at club-level volume. That awesome bassline is a classic for me. Cheers, MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:03:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Stereophonics/ > > tragic news in todays paper ; this years fleadh is cancelled as they can't > > find a vaguely big , vaguely celtic band to headline....... > > > > can't Julian Cope come up with something naff to save the day?? > > RL Hey! Stop it!!! Still as someone who was born in Wales, Jules might just qualify for fleadh... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:04:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter > Lucky stars is probably ther worst record of any genre ever made, ever. > Though You're moving out today by Carole Bayer Sager runs it close. > > Mark I would like to nominate Tallulah Gosh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:51:54 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the stick >>the 'Stick' thing that > > Tony Levin plays has > > always intrigued me: would some Copyist..... tell me about this >instrument/device? >From: Monochromatic Man >Here is the website for the stick: >http://www.stick.com/ Thanks for the info, Billy. And Thanks to all IC'ers who e-mailed me both on & off-list. Much appreciated. It *is* an interesting instrument, isn't it? :-) _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:18:33 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Stereophonics/ In a message dated 6/2/03 6:02:58 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Still as someone who was born in Wales, Jules might just qualify for > fleadh... > /////i think if you've visited wales once you could probably get on the bill.......... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:52:05 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Murder list week 22 (third week at 1) 1 (1) Wire- Send (Konkurrent) 2 (2) Lucinda Williams- World Without Tears (Lost Highway/ Universal) 3 (3) Kaizers Orchertra- Ompa Til Du Dor (Bertus) 4 (--) Audio Bullys- Ego War (Source/ Labels) 5 (4) The White Stripes- Elephant (XL/V2) 6 (5) Caesar-Caesar (Excelsior) 7 (6) Blur- Think Tank (Parlophone/EMI) 8 (13) Eastern Lane- Shades Of Black (Rough Trade/Konkurrent) 9 (17) The Roots- Phrenology (MCA/Mercury) 10 (9) Vive La Fjte- Nuit Blanche (Lowlands) 11 (7) Prefuse 73- One Word Extinguisher (Warp/Zomba) 12 (11) Matthew Herbert Big Band- Goodbye Swingtime (Accidental/Pias) 13 (12) South San Gabriel- Welcome, Convalescence (Munich) 14 (10) Stuurbaard Bakkebaard- Mercedes (Munich) 15 (14) Ibrahim Ferrer- Buenos Hermanos (World Circuit/ Munich) 16 (--) Seedling- Let's Play Girls & Boys (Transformed Dreams) 17 (15) Vic Chesnutt- Silver Lake (South West/Sonic Rendezvous) 18 (18) Rowwen Heze- Dageraad (NL/V2) 19 (19) Bonnie Prince Billy- Master And Everyone (Drag City/ Domino) 20 (16) A.R.E. Weapons- A.R.E. Weapons (Rough Trade/ Konkurrent) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:53:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the defence......... > >From: > > > > > > hey now! watch that slagging of Soft Cell ! > > From: "Ian B" > > >No, really, Robert, they were truly awful on the Whistle Test. I generally > >feel no way about Soft Cell (erring on the side of 'really not that keen' > >if pushed) > Derek... > ///// I hold a slightly different perspective on Soft Cell : To my ears, > that 80's synth-pop, with a couple of honourable exceptions, never really > did it for me, and it's very nadir was plumbed by Soft Cell. Bit late in the day replying to this, but I only got chance to watch it this evening. For the Soft Cell fans amongst us who wouldn't have seen it (Robert, Billy?), can I just say that if you like SC you would have loved it. Marc at his most camp pirouetting around in front of the facial hair version of Chris Lowe. And singing my fave track off their debut LP (well alongside Youth) live. >> and it was the > >track that just would not stop, on and on and on... > > >Ian B > > ///// You hit the nail right on the head there, Ian. 'Sex Dwarf' was > indeed interminable rot. Yes it went on and on. But is that a bad thing? The Crimson track though was HORRIBLE! I know there's a load of KC fans here, but honestly this was so dire (and I'm not anti KC per se - I've even got a KC LP somewhere), I had to switch it off before plucking up the courage to watch it in it's entirity. As if the mid-70's like excess of riffing wasn't bad enough, Belews mannered vocals had me practicing a few Lennox Lewis like jabs on the my telly. "I'm stressed" he kept repeating. I was fucking stressed by the end of it! It would have been bad enough if it had been released in 1975, but this was post-punk! I can't think what Fripp was doing letting Belew and that twat with 'the stick' drown him out. On a happier note, I always liked Japan's OGWT version of Ghosts though. It was where I first heard it, and so it was good to hear it again. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:33:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Re:K C & 'gifted people screwing up...' > Give me someone who only knows six chords, can't really solo, but has > *IDEAS* and something to say for themselves any day of the week........... Hello! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:41:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Biting Tongues << Liked the sound of that Crispy Ambulance / Biting Tongues gig! Thanks for the review Keith. Maybe someone can confirm, but I always link Biting Tounges with Graham from 808 State. Was he in the line-up? Certainly the few tracks I have on compilations still sound good to me. Do they have current material?<< Graham Massey is the one constant member in BTs' history. He's very much the Colin Newman of the band - still very current and involved consistently in music (while the others have clearly not all been involved constantly). The line up at the ICA was the original 1981 line-up as found on Don't Heal. No new material as yet, but LTM has released a 'best of' and is planning some more archive releases later in the year, hence the gig. I believe the performance was recorded so a live album might surface too. Another gig is pencilled in for Manchester in September, but don't hold m e to that. >> MarkB's setlist sounded like a top selection. Would love to hear 'Pump' cranked out at club-level volume. That awesome bassline is a classic for me. >> Cheers mate! Precisely why I chose it. Never heard it at club volume, and it worked really well - one of the highlights of the set for me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:08:41 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the defence of the indefensible... >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Derek White> > > > hey now! watch that slagging of Soft Cell ! > > > > From: "Ian B" > > > > >No, really, Robert, they were truly awful on the Whistle Test. and it >was the track that just would not stop, on and on and on... > > ///// You hit the nail right on the head there, Ian. 'Sex Dwarf' was >indeed *interminable rot.* > >Yes it went on and on. But is that a bad thing? ////YES!! Absolutely it is. Oh yes indeedy. >......... I always liked Japan's OGWT version of Ghosts though. ////////Yeh, I enjoyed that too............ DW _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:47:09 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [OT] Chapman Stick (was Re: [idealcopy] Re:King Crimson) > > The Chapman Stick is a sort of combination guitar/bass thing that > > you play as if it was a guitar with 2 fretboards, so there's no plucking or > > strumming invoilved. > > ////i saw a truly awesome clip of one of these being used by nick > "kajagoogoo" beggs who these days , bizarrely , plays with john paul jones (yep , the > led zep / kaja link we've all been looking for). The inventor of the Stick, Emmett Chapman, actually used to play it in live editions of Tim Buckley's Starsailor-era band. Would have been very interesting to hear some of these performances, but, alas, none were ever professionally recorded. Rumor is that there were some studio tracks cut as well, but these don't seem to be around either. So, now we have a King Crimson, Led Zep, Kaja, Tim Buckley link. :) I have a friend who plays a stick, BTW. Quite an interesting instrument. If you have KC's Dicipline album, you can hear what it sounds like at the start of Elephant Talk. That's almost pure Stick. This has been a Rock History--. moment, courtesy of the trivia archives of Paul A. Pietromonaco. Cheers, Paul N.P. Led Zeppelin "DVD" - in dts 5.1 channel audio! Please don't hate me! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:19:43 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure At 11:52a -0400 05.27.2003, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>>Also on the bill were And Also The Trees who were, to be frank, pants. >(They weren't even 2nd rate Joy Division.)<< > >They had their moments, though they were such blatant Cure copyists. I have >their first album, which is not bad, in a derivative sort of way. Saw them a >few times (they came from somewhere like Redditch) around Brum. And they were >certainly the support at at least one Cure gig I saw so I guess it >was that one. Their following albums were quite a bit more different.. and remain (in my opinion) much more successful/consistent than the Cure to this day. I understand that the drums on So This Is Silence ended up in 100 Years. Lyrically, beyond the first album at least, they have been quite brilliant. As best as I know they are from Worcestershire (though, that may just be the general area you speak of). cheers! - -f. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #161 *******************************