From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #158 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 31 2003 Volume 06 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... ["Derek Whit] [idealcopy] Re: Broadcast/Bardots [Ian Grant ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 02:35:03AM +0100, Tim wrote: > Saw the Manchester show. > > We were too late to catch IEP, but Broadcast were great. > > Whats wrong with a band being 'Detached'? > I want to be excited by the performance...I don't want to make friends with > the fucking band! > Be aloof and stroppy (like Wire)! I don't want to be thanked for buying > tickets..just play some music and stimulate my brain...thats what i've paid > for. Wire, for all their studied nature, *do* engage with their audience: Wire gigs stimulate the mind, yes, but they're also frequently visceral, emotionally compelling affairs (as far as I can tell from the Barbican and the "Live at the Metro" disc.) Broadcast were guilty of Nico by numbers: "look, we can do icy Germanic cool! We're adding absolutely nothing of our own to this, but aren't we great anyway!". For me, it works to the detriment of the music - possibly because I *want* music to be emotional, not purely cerebral. When the band gave in and appeared to be *gasp* enjoying themselves and trying to communicate with the audience on more than one level (music being, for me, a form of communication as much as anything else), the concert was much more enjoyable. They were good, but I think they could have been better, and that's a shame. Your milage clearly varies. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Tim Wrote (was think tanl) Whats wrong with a band being 'Detached'? I want to be excited by the performance...I don't want to make friends withthe fucking band! Be aloof and stroppy (like Wire)! I don't want to be thanked for buying tickets..just play some music and stimulate my brain...thats what i've paid for. ........................ I agree Tim,but some bands/artists take this to the extreme,for example I saw Bob Dylan around 12 years ago and he walked onto the stage,played his music and walked off,no hello to the audience who had pais a lot to see him,no intro of his fellow musicians who were all better than he was,no intro to his music like Robert Smith does and no thanx for coming,I've never bought or listened to his music since.Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] USA c.d bargains.... ....... www.djangos.com are having a used c,d sale @ $4.99 each.......(thought you might like to know that,if ya don't.....too bad) Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:22:17 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... Original message: >>>From: Derek White >>>..........The bad joke that was Soft Cell....... >From: > > > > hey now! watch that slagging of Soft Cell ! From: "Ian B" >No, really, Robert, they were truly awful on the Whistle Test. I generally >feel no way about Soft Cell (erring on the side of 'really not that keen' >if >pushed) ///// I hold a slightly different perspective on Soft Cell : To my ears, that 80's synth-pop, with a couple of honourable exceptions, never really did it for me, and it's very nadir was plumbed by Soft Cell. Marc Almonds melodramatic delivery accompanied by by Mr Ball's miscellany of rasps, honks, tweets, and indeterminate 'wasp-in-a-jamjar' synth noises set my teeth on edge every time. but they were utterly terrible on the box the other night. The song ///// Using the term loosely......... >was Sex Dwarf; >Marc Almond was like an adolescent lamely attempting to shock middle class >suburbia with lyrics about life's sleazy side, or something, and it was the >track that just would not stop, on and on and on... >Ian B ///// You hit the nail right on the head there, Ian. 'Sex Dwarf' was indeed interminable rot. One of the things that makes MA so aggravating to me:(apart from the aimless music, that is) is that he is so *desperate* to be 'dangerous', and as you say, shock the prim middle-class sensibilities with his fetishware look, and songs as exemplified by 'Sex Dwarf', about the supposedly seamier side of life, when you rather suspect that the nearest to that scene he got at that time was strolling round Soho 'windowshopping' with his pals on a rare foray from his bedroom in Mum & Dad's semi in Surbiton or wherever. BLAARRRGGGHHH! If my lifetime of atheism turns out to be misguided, and there IS such a place as hell to which I may well be consigned, I fully expect if Old Nick has done his homework, that between broiling my nether regions in molten sulphur, and getting into his more inventive work with the red-hot pincers, he'll lift the lid on the infernal Dansette, and put a Soft Cell disk on the platter, just for me................;-) Sorry to be so vitriolic, Robert: If you like'em then fine. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. However, my rather dim veiw of Soft Cell, and the possibly even more heinous 'Marc & the Mambas' is fixed, and non-negotiable................ :-p Derek W. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:45:27 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Broadcast/Bardots At 04:30 30/05/03 -0400, Tim wrote: >Whats wrong with a band being 'Detached'? >I want to be excited by the performance...I don't want to make friends with >the fucking band! >Be aloof and stroppy (like Wire)! I don't want to be thanked for buying >tickets..just play some music and stimulate my brain...thats what i've paid >for. Absolutely. Admittedly, I greatly prefer Broadcast's recorded output to their live performances...on previous evidence, at least. But there's absolutely nowt wrong with a bit of distance. Quite the reverse, if anything. To stray further off-topic, I distinctly remember a review of an early Bardots gig in Melody Maker - by Steve Sutherland, I think - that heavily criticised them for being aloof, detached, and generally self-absorbed. And he was quite right, too. I was sold on the idea instantly, of course...and a trip to see them in action a few weeks later revealed a band entirely shrouded in projections of red roses and razor blades, apparently oblivious to the fact that precisely two people were paying them any attention. Bloody marvellous, and much missed (by me, if not the rest of the world). Cheers, ig. np: Ed Rush & Optical - The Original Dr Shade (and flippin' splendid it is too...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:10:44 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying In a message dated 5/29/03 10:26:39 AM Central Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: << Stuart Dempster "In The Great Abbey Of Clement VI" >> what does this sound like?? i have always wondered...i have heard it mentioned on the Coil list RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:19:10 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap Sadly, despite my promise to report back on DJ Bursacrap's performance it turned out that he wasn't due on until after the bands and I had to leave to get a train - how did it go Mark? The Crispies were fine last night but the revelation were Biting Tongues who were absolutely blistering. Those who had seen them before couldn't believe it and those who like me had never heard a note couldn't believe they had ever given this up. They sounded like a band who had been miraculously transported forward 20 odd years, laying down that early 80s funkbeat but overlaying it with sounds (sax, trumpet, keyboards) that made me realize that most bands these days don't challenge the noisestructure in this way. Their onstage presence was as powerful as Go4 and the noise was reminiscent of The Pop Group. They were that good. This was supposed to be a one-off but I can't imagine they wouldn't want to do this again. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: 28 May 2003 23:04 To: MarkBursa@aol.com; iansjackson@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap I shall report back on Mr Bursa's choice and skills. Not satisfied with the Crispies tomorrow and Jeffrey Lewis yesterday (and what a wonderful night out that was - especially support acts Hermann Dune (a performance close to rivaling early Pavement for shambolic levity) and Schwervon! (a bargain-basement White Stripes), not to mention Mr Lewis finishing the set in the street when the pub kicked him out) I popped in to see John Cale in Borders Bookshop on Oxford St on the way home tonight. Three solo songs, two from the new ep & one from the new album. Very wordy and will take some listening if the versions on record are anything like this. I've got it but haven't listened yet, as I ended up watching the dull second half and extra time of the Champions League final on getting home, waiting for someone to have a shot on goal. They didn't. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 28 May 2003 00:32 To: iansjackson@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap << WHAAAATTTT...???? i think we need to know more details here chaps...i'm intrigued...having just got hold of CA's 'Frozen Blood' CD... >> This stems from my advisory capacity with the estimable LTM organisation, for whom I act as a kind of A&R man for bands that ceased to be two decades ago... Anyway, to add authenticity to Thursday's event (Crispy Ambulance's first London gig since 1982; Biting Tongues' first gig since god knows when) Mr Nice of LTM and myself shall be, erm, spinning the platters to provide interludes of authentic Factory-flavoured post-punk obscurity. Nothing new shall be played, and we rejoice under the ironic monicker of the Shadowplayers.... As an added badge of authenticity, I was the DJ at JR's Dallas Show Bar in Blackpool in 1980, where the Crispies played there*. As ever with these things I have no idea what will happen. I just intend turning up with a box of singles... Mark *and not much since, so expect equally authentic peelesque missed cues and wrong speeds ;-). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:21:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 7:22:57 AM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: << Sorry to be so vitriolic, Robert: If you like'em then fine. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. However, my rather dim veiw of Soft Cell, and the possibly even more heinous 'Marc & the Mambas' is fixed, and non-negotiable................ :-p >> that's yer business....i happen to like Soft Cell and Marc & the Mambas...what's wrong with a little drama and sleaze now and again...it's all in good fun.. and i could think of many other bands/"artists" that hell could torture me with...such as: Eric Clapton...Bob Dylan...The Red Stripes, the Strokes, The Vines,or any other currently "hip" NYC crap band...not to mention the highly over-rated Radiohead, Bjork, Blur i could go on and on.. but why bother?? i have a pile of cds to listen to by the likes of: Hecker.....Nurse With Wound...Coil...COH....Autechre...Mira Calix...Cabaret Voltaire...Ulrich Schnauss...Pete Namlook...Anthony Rother....Klaus Schulze... Chris Clark...Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece...Arne Nordheim...In The Nursery...Non...Amon Tobin..The Residents.. and Wire RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 19:18:39 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... >and i could think of many other bands/"artists" that hell could torture me >with...such as: Eric Clapton...Bob Dylan...The Red Stripes, the Strokes, >The >Vines,or any other currently "hip" NYC crap band...not to mention the >highly >over-rated Radiohead, Bjork, Blur /////// Aha! We have agreement. Most of the above-mentioned over-rated acts/flavours of the month would give me a headache, too, with the possible exception of Radiohead's 'The Bends', and 'Creep'. Bjork in particular shouldn't be allowed near a mic again....ever. One thing tho' 'Red Stripes'? You've beer on the brain, m'boy..............;-) >and Wire ///////////More agreement. A happy ending, then...................:-) Except I'm still SEND-less.........:((( _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:43:43 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... >>and i could think of many other bands/"artists" that hell could torture me >>with...such as: Eric Clapton...Bob Dylan...The Red Stripes, the Strokes, >>The >>Vines,or any other currently "hip" NYC crap band...not to mention the >>highly >>over-rated Radiohead, Bjork, Blur > >/////// Aha! We have agreement. Most of the above-mentioned over-rated >acts/flavours of the month would give me a headache, too, with the possible >exception of Radiohead's 'The Bends', and 'Creep'. Bjork in particular >shouldn't be allowed near a mic again....ever. One thing tho' 'Red Stripes'? >You've beer on the brain, m'boy..............;-) wasn't "red stripes" (actually, something like "suzi & the red stripes") a linda mccartney one-off way back when? dan, who can't stand beer (somewhat fond of cider, though) & rather likes the white stripes (who're from detroit, not nyc, just as i think the vines are from oz, not gotham), not to mention a number of hip nyc crap bands, a la radio 4, the yeah yeahs, interpol, etc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:51:43 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 2:20:09 PM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: << One thing tho' 'Red Stripes'? You've beer on the brain, m'boy..............;-) >> nope...i think they suck eggs...i don't understand what all the fuss is about... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:56:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... i think the fuss, at least in this instance, is that you're probably talking about the *white* stripes. red stripe is, i think, a jamaican beer. dan >In a message dated 5/30/03 2:20:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: > ><< One thing tho' 'Red Stripes'? > You've beer on the brain, m'boy..............;-) >> > > >nope...i think they suck eggs...i don't understand what all the fuss is >about... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:56:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 2:45:02 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << wasn't "red stripes" (actually, something like "suzi & the red stripes") a linda mccartney one-off way back when? dan, who can't stand beer (somewhat fond of cider, though) & rather likes the white stripes>>>>> red , white, purple...who cares what color their stripes...they bore me.. (who're from detroit, not nyc, just as i think the vines are from oz, not gotham), >>>> actually..i wasn't saying that any of those bands are from NYC...i was merely including the NYC crap/hip bands to the list not to mention a number of hip nyc crap bands, a la radio 4, the yeah yeahs, interpol, etc >>>> forgot about those boring poseurs as well... how's that for a slagging? and the moral of the story? just because it's the "next big thing" or someone tells you that you should like "it", doesn't mean that you should... AND just because it's from NYC or LA doesn't mean it's good RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:57:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 2:45:02 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << One thing tho' 'Red Stripes'? >You've beer on the brain, m'boy..............;-) >> yes..you are correct...it is now 5pm and the end of my work week...looking forward to a whole lotta Red Stripes and absolutely no White Stripes.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:59:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 4:56:56 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << i think the fuss, at least in this instance, is that you're probably talking about the *white* stripes. red stripe is, i think, a jamaican beer. dan >> exactly! drink up! cheers to you all! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:04:35 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... most "next big thing" acts bore the hell out of me (datsuns, anyone?) ... only useful thing about that designation is that it theoretically ensures that bands i (miraculously?) happen to like -- the rapture, yeah yeah yeahs, radio 4, interpol -- actually can be found in the racks around here. (well, yyy & interpol, anyway.) i think if i were particularly susceptible to hype, i'd probably worship radiohead (which i most certainly don't, though their snl appearance a couple of years ago was pretty neat), would've listened to post-black sea xtc, etc. if anything, i'm -- like you, it looks like -- more likely to react *negatively* to hype, hence my complete skepticism toward the likes of godspeed, mogwai, etc. not, i'm very aware, that anything you wrote was directed at me personally. dan >In a message dated 5/30/03 2:45:02 PM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< wasn't "red stripes" (actually, something like "suzi & the red stripes") a > linda mccartney one-off way back when? > > dan, who can't stand beer (somewhat fond of cider, though) & rather likes > the white stripes>>>>> > >red , white, purple...who cares what color their stripes...they bore me.. > > (who're from detroit, not nyc, just as i think the vines > are from oz, not gotham), >>>> > >actually..i wasn't saying that any of those bands are from NYC...i was merely >including the NYC crap/hip bands to the list > >not to mention a number of hip nyc crap bands, a > la radio 4, the yeah yeahs, interpol, etc >>>> > >forgot about those boring poseurs as well... > >how's that for a slagging? > >and the moral of the story? > >just because it's the "next big thing" or someone tells you that you should >like "it", doesn't mean that you should... > >AND > >just because it's from NYC or LA doesn't mean it's good > > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:07:43 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 5:04:55 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << not, i'm very aware, that anything you wrote was directed at me personally. dan >> of course not Dan! i forgot to mention Godspeed, Mogwai (aside from a few tracks), and the Datsuns...thanks for reminding me. RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:46:42 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Up to the sun shall go... In a message dated 5/29/03 10:02:26 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Vivid riot >> of red on Snakedrill. is this on the cd version? i have the vinyl - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:07:26 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot Re: broadcast In a message dated 5/29/03 9:36:33 PM, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: >I don't want to be thanked for buying >tickets..just play some music and stimulate my brain...thats what i've >paid >for. i dunno, gybe are very gracious (well efrim is for sure) at beginning and end of performance, and they're friggin fantastic! >Broadcast started out rather safe and John Barry/60s Retro/Studied cool >for >the first few tunes.... >However, as they progressed they cut loose and got progressively more >interesting. and for the last few numbers they were coming on like Can >with >Liz Frazer on vocals and Richard H.Kirk on troubled, ring-modulated guitar. don't think i'd compare trish to liz frazer (but then again i wouldn't dare compare any vocalist i've ever seen or heard to liz frazer)..however, that guitarist (tim, i think) has one of the best jobs in the business! - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:18:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 5:56:56 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >AND > >just because it's from NYC or LA doesn't mean it's good no, but some of them happen to be the best thing that's happened to post punk since, um, ur...post punk. while radio 4 may not be the deepest band on the planet, they are a heck of a lotta fun. i'll be seeing them next week. - -paul (yo new yawk!) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:29:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 8:19:19 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > AND > > > >just because it's from NYC or LA doesn't mean it's good > > no, but some of them happen to be the best thing that's happened to post > punk > since, um, ur...post punk. while radio 4 may not be the deepest band on the > planet, they are a heck of a lotta fun. i'll be seeing them next week. > > -paul (yo new yawk!) c.d. > > buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrppppp RL ( 9 Red Stripes and counting) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:42:49 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Tim Wrote (was think tanl) Thats was my point! At the Flag:Burning show, Wire uttered not a "hello", "goodbye", "On Bass...Graham Lewis" or "thankyou". All I recall Colin saying all night was, "Alright, ere it is again...and its called....12XU"! And all the better for it! Low are the only band I've ever seen who are good at between-song banter, very funny and made more funny by the intense atmosphere while they are playing... And not listening to Bob Dylan ever again has to be a postive bonus surely? If I never hear another of his interminable, nasal, whining dirges till the day I die I'll be happy. > I agree Tim,but some bands/artists take this to the extreme,for > example I saw Bob Dylan around 12 years ago and he walked onto > the stage,played his music and walked off,no hello to the > audience who had pais a lot to see him,no intro of his fellow > musicians who were all better than he was,no intro to his music > like Robert Smith does and no thanx for coming,I've never bought > or listened to his music since.Ari > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:01:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Wrote (was think tanl) In a message dated 5/30/03 8:44:18 PM Central Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > And not listening to Bob Dylan ever again has to be a postive bonus surely? > If I never hear another of his interminable, nasal, whining dirges till the > day I die I'll be happy. > > > cheers Tim!!!!!! Robert (raising his 10th Red Stripe in honor of Tim) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:02:40 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter In a message dated 5/30/03 9:44:18 PM, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: >Low are the only band I've ever seen who are good >at between-song banter, very funny and made more funny by the intense >atmosphere while they are playing... i haven't had the pleasure of seeing them live yet, but for my money, grant lee phillips is the single most entertaining stage performer when yer talkin between-song banter...and his songs are pretty darn tasty too ;o) - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:04:56 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: the slagging......... i wrote: >radio 4 may not be the deepest band on the >> planet, they are a heck of a lotta fun. i'll be seeing them next week. > >> >> -paul (yo new yawk!) c.d. >> >> to which robert replied: >buuuuuuuuurrrrrrrppppp you'd better belch louder than that. i'm getting a 3 for 1 deal at bowery ballroom next week...radio 4, the rogers sisters, and calla for 12 bucks! - -another www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:09:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: the slagging......... In a message dated 5/30/03 9:06:15 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > you'd better belch louder than that. i'm getting a 3 for 1 deal at bowery > ballroom next week...radio 4, the rogers sisters, and calla for 12 bucks! > > rock on Paul! i'm sure that will be a great night out...have a beer or two (or three..or four) for me.. RL np - Flying Saucer Attack & Roy Montgomery "Goodbye/and Goodbye/The Whole Day" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:13:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: between-song banter In a message dated 5/30/03 9:04:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > >Low are the only band I've ever seen who are good > >at between-song banter, very funny and made more funny by the intense > >atmosphere while they are playing... > > i haven't had the pleasure of seeing them live yet, but for my money, grant > lee phillips is the single most entertaining stage performer when yer talkin > > between-song banter...and his songs are pretty darn tasty too ;o) > > -another the paul > > yeah...and i've heard that Marc Almond does some pretty entertaining in between song bantering.... i do some pretty good in between drink bantering.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:17:31 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... Dan wrote > most "next big thing" acts bore the hell out of me (datsuns, anyone?) ... I've had the misfortune to be in the same room as them twice. They are the second worst rock band ever, after the Stereophonics. > only useful thing about that designation is that it theoretically ensures > that bands i (miraculously?) happen to like -- the rapture, yeah > yeah yeahs, > radio 4, interpol -- actually can be found in the racks around > here. (well, > yyy & interpol, anyway.) I like Interpol. Its derivative but at least it derives from good stuff. i think if i were particularly > susceptible to hype, > i'd probably worship radiohead (which i most certainly don't, though their > snl appearance a couple of years ago was pretty neat), Radiohead were on the Jonathan Ross show tonight. I quite like their new single, and Kid A was quite interesting (stadium rock meets Autechre...great idea not quite realised). But they still annoy the fuck out of me. They know they are a mega-bucks stadiumrock band but they insist on this guilt-trip thing and pretending to be really unpopular and 'indie' when in fact they have millions of fans. Thats really irritating. would've > listened to > post-black sea xtc, etc. if anything, i'm -- like you, it looks > like -- more > likely to react *negatively* to hype, hence my complete skepticism toward > the likes of godspeed, mogwai, etc. You were right! I got really taken in by both Mogwai and Godspeed, but actually i've not listened to that stuff for at least two years now. However, as I write this I am listening to Transistor Blast by XTC! Disk 4. Now there is a band I'd love to have seen live. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:20:05 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 02:10 PM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/29/03 10:26:39 AM Central Daylight Time, > edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > > << Stuart Dempster "In The Great Abbey Of Clement VI" >> > > what does this sound like?? i have always wondered...i have heard it > mentioned on the Coil list > RL Very relaxing, calming, rich resonant reverberating trombone drone.... http://www.newalbion.com/NA013/ http://www.deeplistening.org/ http://www.deeplistening.org/dlc/22demps.html http://www.newalbion.com/artists/dempsters/ Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:20:49 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Wrote (was think tanl) perhaps they were just intimidated by you lot. in atlanta last sept graham, at least, was positively animated in comparison, saying something about how nice it was to be playing in "atlantis" & telling someone calling for 12xU (or something of similar vintage) that wire never play requests (the stomp & stammer review of send misattributes this remark to colin, if memory serves). dan >Thats was my point! > >At the Flag:Burning show, Wire uttered not a "hello", "goodbye", "On >Bass...Graham Lewis" or "thankyou". >All I recall Colin saying all night was, "Alright, ere it is again...and its >called....12XU"! > >And all the better for it! Low are the only band I've ever seen who are good >at between-song banter, very funny and made more funny by the intense >atmosphere while they are playing... > >And not listening to Bob Dylan ever again has to be a postive bonus surely? >If I never hear another of his interminable, nasal, whining dirges till the >day I die I'll be happy. > > >> I agree Tim,but some bands/artists take this to the extreme,for >> example I saw Bob Dylan around 12 years ago and he walked onto >> the stage,played his music and walked off,no hello to the >> audience who had pais a lot to see him,no intro of his fellow >> musicians who were all better than he was,no intro to his music >> like Robert Smith does and no thanx for coming,I've never bought >> or listened to his music since.Ari >> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:29:48 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Tim Wrote (was think tanl) Dan says: > > perhaps they were just intimidated by you lot. in atlanta last > sept graham, > at least, was positively animated in comparison, saying something > about how > nice it was to be playing in "atlantis" & telling someone calling for 12xU > (or something of similar vintage) that wire never play requests > I can't imagine Graham Lewis being intimidated by anyone! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:37:41 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 10:17 PM, Tim wrote: > ....... > However, as I write this I am listening to Transistor Blast by XTC! > Disk 4. > Now there is a band I'd love to have seen live. > Transistor Blast by XTC! Disk 4? What's that? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:58:25 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 31/05/2003 03:17:58 GMT Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > Radiohead were on the Jonathan Ross show tonight. I quite like their new > single, and Kid A was quite interesting (stadium rock meets Autechre...great > idea not quite realised). But they still annoy the fuck out of me. They know > they are a mega-bucks stadiumrock band but they insist on this guilt-trip > thing and pretending to be really unpopular and 'indie' when in fact they > have millions of fans. Thats really irritating. > > > I liked the idea of them doing the Eurovision Song Contest though.I don't imagine Tim that our American friends have a similar unbelievable annual experience ? Chris NP Grandaddy -- sampler ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 04:02:28 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell 2: the slagging......... In a message dated 31/05/2003 03:39:07 GMT Daylight Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > However, as I write this I am listening to Transistor Blast by XTC! > > Disk 4. > > Now there is a band I'd love to have seen live. > I have seen them live & they were great. Twice.Shame Andy Partridge has stage fright.Weird thing in a musician but he's not an exception I imagine. chris NP Puressence - Walking Dead cds ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #158 *******************************