From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #157 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] hey Bart... [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] OT : The Waste of Champion's.......the final yawn ["Derek] [idealcopy] Re: Other new music ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell [Superflyww9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank ["Michael Flaherty" ] [idealcopy] Ed wrote........ [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire in SF [Santa Cruzer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] hey Bart... ........Happy 40th buddy.............Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:15:23 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT : The Waste of Champion's.......the final yawn I ended up watching the dull second half and extra time >of the Champions League final on getting home, waiting for someone to >have a shot on goal. They didn't. So it was even duller than the first half was it? I'm quite glad I shut off the tele at halftime, and went visiting: I watched the first half, and thought of paint, drying, and that maybe I should really do something with a greater fun content: I do need some root canal work done......... It was *dreary*, wasn't it. As usual, the pundits were salivating over all these allegedly highly skilled players, and their touches. I reckon that they couldn't find the goal with a map and compass, myself..................... _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:19:40 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Other new music >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:39:18 EDT >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music > >Poor salesmanship! No way are Calla anything like MBV. File under slowcore >bands like Galaxie 500, Codeine and Spain. > >Saw them a couple of weeks ago - most songs build from a quiet start to a >big >noisy ending as well as anyone. I'd go see them live before deeming them >"worthy rock"... I've seen Calla twice in concert now (once when they opened for Interpol and again when they opened for Luna). I was thoroughly impressed both times; they certainly have more of a shoegazer sound in concert, even if their albums sound more like a slower Jesus And Mary Chain with more bass. I recommend their 2001 album, Scavengers, if you like Televise. I always think of David Lynch movies when I listen to Scavengers...it has that sort of feel to it. Jason Now Playing: Buzzcocks - "Sick City Sometimes" _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:31:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hey Bart... In a message dated 5/29/03 4:40:00 AM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > ........Happy 40th buddy.............Ari > yeah Bart...i hope you have a great birthday! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:35:31 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] I'm getting better....[was] IC at the Paradiso? Addendum This may be of interest regarding Jon Wozencroft and Andrew of The Hafler Trio Wasn't the story that Andrew had some incurable/fatal from of hepatitis? I wonder if I can get my $10.00 back from that non-auction benefit on Ebay? BillE \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ rp: 1 giant leap; pat metheny - first circle; linton kwesi johnson - making history; some old xtc b-sides - the somnabulist right now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:30:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying << I watched the first half, and thought of paint, drying, >> I was once flown to Germany in a private plane to watch paint dry. It was a press conmference for a German paint manufacturer, who took a small group of hacks to Frankfurt to watch tehir new quick-drying car paint. They sprayed it on a panel, and we watched. Someone said "this is like watching paint dry". The Germans, understandably were unamused. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:36:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'm getting better....[was] IC at the Paradiso? Addendum << Wasn't the story that Andrew had some incurable/fatal from of hepatitis? I wonder if I can get my $10.00 back from that non-auction benefit on Ebay? >> I think the gist of it is Wozencroft has said AMcK ISN'T ill, while AMcK says he is...certainly how I read it. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:52:46 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 08:30:13AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > I was once flown to Germany in a private plane to watch paint dry. Quote of the year. We can all pack up and go home now, no-one's going to top that! :) - A (seeing Broadcast tonight, which should be good.) - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:01:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Up to the sun shall go... > >>As far as I know, the effects of 'A' and 'B' strains are as follows: Hep > B > is an acute illness, and although V. uncomfortable, can be treated and is > gone within weeks << > > AKA jaundice, as caught by Mr Newman in India, and the subject of Vivid riot > of red on Snakedrill. How's that for a neat return to topic? ;-) >>p.s. The bit about getting flown by private plane to Germany to watch paint dry: was this a wind-up?. If not, where can I get a job like that? I can watch oceans of the stuff dry, if they'll fly me everywhere, and give me an expense account...........;-))<< Takes years of training and no small amount of skill to be able to watch paint dry, I assure you.... Alternatively, become a journalist. Worked for me ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:25:11 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Paint drying On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 08:52 AM, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 08:30:13AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> I was once flown to Germany in a private plane to watch paint dry. > > Quote of the year. We can all pack up and go home now, no-one's going > to top that! :) Not to top that, but I get paid for watching paint dry. Or more accurately, provide my clients the opportunity to do so. Ed - ---- listening to: Residents "Demons Dance Alone" -Saw the very last show in Detroit a few months ago. A very, very good show. Still gives me warm fuzzies when I think of it. Also XTC "River Of Orchids", The Last Balloon", Across This Antheap", "Scarecrow People"... Einst|rzende Neubauten "Haus der Luge" Stuart Dempster "In The Great Abbey Of Clement VI" and "Underground Overlaps From The Cistern Chapel" Stephen Scott "Minerva's Web/Tears Of Niobe" Hector Zazou "Songs From The Cold Seas" John Zorn/Naked City "Torture Garden" Merzbow Cibo Matto "Apple", Sugar Water" - -and many hours of editing some of my old Special Ed radio collages - of which are becoming available to anyone interested. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:21:22 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Ari's concert c.d's and other worthwhile garbage............ Jethro Tull,Madison Sq. gdns,'78 - I think I might have been at that one myself. Don't remember much about the show except that the opening act - Livingston Taylor - he of the brother of James variety - got booed off the stage w/out even a chance to perform a complete song. I'm not a fan of his, but I was embarrassed as a music fan for the behavior of the crowd. Even Ian Anderson remonstrated the audience when the Tull came out to play. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:48:05 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat >> They are doing All Tomorrows Paties BTW in Los >> Angeles along with Yo Le Tengo & The Fall amongst others. > Bart: thanks for the pointer! Does anyone know more about Ulrich Schnauss, > played on that show before the Braithwaite mix? I *really* liked it - I > need that album if it's all that good. > (I think I'll go to his gig in Cambridge soon.) > - Andrew Did I point? Bart NP: Death Of A Party - Blur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:03:10 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > hey now! watch that slagging of Soft Cell ! > > RL > No, really, Robert, they were truly awful on the Whistle Test. I generally feel no way about Soft Cell (erring on the side of 'really not that keen' if pushed) but they were utterly terrible on the box the other night. The song was Sex Dwarf; Marc Almond was like an adolescent lamely attempting to shock middle class suburbia with lyrics about life's sleazy side, or something, and it was the track that just would not stop, on and on and on... Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:58:58 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt/soft cell You sound jealous. In a message dated 5/29/03 11:28:08 AM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: << No, really, Robert, they were truly awful on the Whistle Test. I generally feel no way about Soft Cell (erring on the side of 'really not that keen' if pushed) but they were utterly terrible on the box the other night. The song was Sex Dwarf; Marc Almond was like an adolescent lamely attempting to shock middle class suburbia with lyrics about life's sleazy side, or something, and it was the track that just would not stop, on and on and on... Ian B >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:59:46 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank >From: Andrew Walkingshaw >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Think Thank > >On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:54:25AM -0400, but "99.9" is my favourite song on the album, >and of the year >so far. Actually, it's from last year, but who's counting? ;) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Ed wrote........ .....-and many hours of editing some of my old Special Ed radio collages of which are becoming available to anyone interested. .................. Now YOU'RE 'asking for trouble LOL.........nice to see you're a Zorn fan,though I dunno 'bout torture garden.Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:18:59 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 07:59:46PM -0500, Michael Flaherty wrote: > >From: Andrew Walkingshaw > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Think Thank > > > >On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:54:25AM -0400, > but "99.9" is my favourite song on the album, > >and of the year > >so far. > > Actually, it's from last year, but who's counting? ;) Not I. It's still a bloody great track, it was a bloody great track on R+B02, and I think it'll sound bloody great ten years hence. I adore it. Off-topic: Just saw Imitation Electric Piano (on Duophonic - very Tortoisey, and I really liked them (but I really like Tortoise, so go figure)) supporting Broadcast (Warp, new album "Ha Ha Sound" out soonish) at the Boat Race (Cambridge's 200-capacity pub/club/general-purpose- dive). As I said, IEP were good - they have a five-track EP available which I'm listening to now, and I suspect anyone who liked Tortoise's "Standards" will find a bit to enjoy here. Broadcast were also fun, but very... detached, I think. The vocalist clearly wants to be Nico, and they managed the icy demeanour, but at the cost of engaging with the audience - the person I was with and I reckoned they were at their best when the facade came down a bit due to things going slightly wrong, or on their current single (which is just a damn good track). - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridge and online (Real/Ogg) http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ "Random Walk", 11pm Wednesdays - indie, post-rock, post-punk, witless banter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:35:03 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Think Tank Andrew wrote: > > Just saw Imitation Electric Piano (on Duophonic - very Tortoisey, and > I really liked them (but I really like Tortoise, so go figure)) > supporting Broadcast (Warp, new album "Ha Ha Sound" out soonish) at > the Boat Race (Cambridge's 200-capacity pub/club/general-purpose- > dive). > > As I said, IEP were good - they have a five-track EP available which I'm > listening to now, and I suspect anyone who liked Tortoise's "Standards" > will find a bit to enjoy here. Broadcast were also fun, but very... > detached, I think. The vocalist clearly wants to be Nico, and they managed > the icy demeanour, but at the cost of engaging with the audience - the > person I was with and I reckoned they were at their best when the > facade came > down a bit due to things going slightly wrong, or on their current single > (which is just a damn good track). Saw the Manchester show. We were too late to catch IEP, but Broadcast were great. Whats wrong with a band being 'Detached'? I want to be excited by the performance...I don't want to make friends with the fucking band! Be aloof and stroppy (like Wire)! I don't want to be thanked for buying tickets..just play some music and stimulate my brain...thats what i've paid for. Broadcast started out rather safe and John Barry/60s Retro/Studied cool for the first few tunes.... However, as they progressed they cut loose and got progressively more interesting. and for the last few numbers they were coming on like Can with Liz Frazer on vocals and Richard H.Kirk on troubled, ring-modulated guitar. A fine exercise in slowly dismantling your own sound. Something Wire do to great effect too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in SF Greetings fellow copyists~ We'll I've been eyeball-deep in school lately and have been completely offline for weeks now. I did get online long enough to purchase my ticket for the SF show. Decided to give virtuous tickets a try. We'll see how smooth that goes! I'll try to get to the Edinburgh Castle around 6:00 or so. Looking forward to meeting any and all copyists who will rep REE sent! I'll plan on buying at least one round! > Of course I'll be there--can't keep me away. I have > a ticket!! > > If people would like to meet up for drinks before > the show I would like to > suggest my idea of the ideal spot: The Edinburgh > Castle. A big, friendly > Scotish oasis only a block away from GAMH, which is > in a not so nice bit of > town. > > Robert (another) > > Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:19:51 -0600From: "Paul Ye" > Subject: [idealcopy] Wire at > the GAMH>Talking of San Francisco, is anyone on the > list going>to the gig in June?>>NormI am sending in > my fax order on Monday for three out of SLC, two of > which are listees. I think Robert Cambra would also > be attending(?) I am sure there will be a gathering > of sorts somewhere to warm up for the show, but I > will be relying on others to say where as I have > never been to San Fran. 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