From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #155 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 29 2003 Volume 06 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: 99.9 [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 99.9 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Cure [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] was OT: Bauhaus and beyond...and back (to wire) again ["t] [idealcopy] Crispy Ambulance at the ICA ["sean bowen" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat ["Keith Astbury" > >>n.p. 99.9, and trying to determine where it fits among the best wire > > tracks > > ever<< Mark replied: > Very high up. Indeed. > > Mark >> Well, it looks as if I could be in a minority of one here, but it's probably my least favourite track on Send. I've never gone much on the 'epic' tracks (eg 'should have known better', 'torch it', 'feed me' - Hox's Spring being the exception that proves the rule). The ones I go back to and play again at the moment after playing the whole thing through are Being Watched, Marx and Nice Streets. Just remembered, I was handed a flyer on my way out of the Barbican with Bruce's name on it - DJing I think. What was this about and did anyone go? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:17:00 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 99.9 In a message dated 5/28/2003 4:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, HowardJSpencer writes: > Just remembered, I was handed a flyer on my way out of the Barbican with > Bruce's name on it - DJing I think. What was this about > and did anyone go? ////this was something with whitehouse i think , no doubt still smarting after yet again failing to be the uk eurovision entry. somebody said that bruce's performance was going to be "brief".........p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:56:55 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure One of And Also The Trees used to work at Our Price in Walsall so they might have been from there. Future records aka Reflex. In their defence they did put out some Very Things stuff as well. Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: MarkBursa@aol.com, keith.astbury10@virgin.net, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:13:38 EDT > >In a message dated 5/27/03 4:53:08 PM GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com >writes: > > > > >>Also on the bill were And Also The Trees who were, to be frank, pants. > > (They weren't even 2nd rate Joy Division.)<< > > > > They had their moments, though they were such blatant Cure copyists. I >have > > their first album, which is not bad, in a derivative sort of way. Saw >them a > > > > few times (they came from somewhere like Redditch) around Brum. And they > > were > > certainly the support at at least one Cure gig I saw so I guess it was >that > > one. > >//////i think they were from malvern. they had one single produced by a >lesser member of the cure (lol tolhurst? his hidden talent?). always saw >them as >prize wasters. they were on "future" records (the label that was previously >called "no future" and tried to ditch its skinhead/oi roots) along with the >later >synthpop incarnation of blitz. that label must have had one hell of an A&R >department :-) p _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:57:17 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ >/////bauhaus certainly had their moments but that clip was pretty appalling >, >histrionic goth has not dated very well i am afraid. in fact the whole show >was pretty duff , >looks like boring bob got to choose despite the fact he'd >been fired by then. i mean.....elton......good grief. I think you're right about who did the choosing for this show: the clue is the fact that the Waitresses were on with *that* (annoying) track, and I've heard him play this refugee from 'novelty island' a few times on his radio show, whilst chortling to himself. And if memory serves, he's long had a penchent for Elton John, who also cropped up in the previous OGWT compilation series. >and i guess it might get worse. p Bet on it....................DW _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:15:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure << //////i think they were from malvern. << Sounds about right. Definitely one of the leading Worcestershire bands of the early 80s (along with the Cravats/Very Things and the Dancing Did). >>they had one single produced by a lesser member of the cure (lol tolhurst? his hidden talent?). << First album is produced by the Lolster. Quite competently too. Must've had a good engineer ;-) >>always saw them as prize wasters. they were on "future" records (the label that was previously called "no future" and tried to ditch its skinhead/oi roots) along with the later synthpop incarnation of blitz. that label must have had one hell of an A&R department :-) p >> AATT carried on for years - I've seen albums from as recently as 1995, and indeed they may still be going today, playing the Alvechurch Raincoat & Firkin. We shall never know. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:17:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure.... << .......about 14-15 years ago(maybe less) I saw a (british) group that,if one closed ones eyes,sounded so much like the Cure it coulda been them...anyone know who they might have been? >> Could quite possibly have been And Also the Trees!! Any more clues Ari? Where'd you see them? Headline or support, and if support, who was headlining? Did they have a girl singer? Could have been the Cranes... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:24:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ << no, you're right, they did do 'Spy...' as well...i still have the vid somewhere... how they decided to show 'Ziggy...' instead is probably down to old fart Harris sitting back and saying 'see, i told you they were shit at the time...' or something along those lines, i'll betcha... >> To be fair, it was a hit, and people know it. Spy in the cab is the only post-punk record about the Passenger and Goods Vehicles (Recording Equipment) Regulations 1979. Oddly it portrays the monitoring of dodgy truck drivers' hours by means of teh tachograph as a kind of Orwellian intrusion into personal freedom rather than an aid to the safety of other road users. Silly goth people. Stick to songs about Dracula and the Baader Meinhof gang. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:27:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] was OT: Bauhaus and beyond...and back (to wire) again << :o( unfortunately i never saw our boys til 2000. but of course, they did have a few new (as yet unreleased) ones between 2000 and 2002. will new songs be played next month? hm... >> I doubt it, but you never know.... The European gigs were basically the '02 set as per Metro. >Subsequently saw the reformation tour in 97 which was a lot of fun. >No-nonsense greatest hits show, played dead straight. They looked *exactly* >the same as >in 81. i agree. that was loads of fun. i hoped that the two new cover tunes they added were hinting that there'd be more to come, but it seems it was just a reunion tour and not the "resurrection" the ads implied.<< Probably just as well. Does the world really need a Bauhaus covers album? (though admittedly the cover John Cale's of Rose garden funeral of sores is mighty fine. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:31:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Rough Trade post punk comp Not sure this has been noted. Another RT compilation, majoring on post-punk, but inserting a few tracks by current bands underthe influence (Rapture, Rogers sisters, Life without buildings etc). And what's bringing up the end of CD1? Ex-lion tamer, no less.. http://www.roughtrade.com/docs/post_punk_tracks03.htm Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:34:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Single, OK? << "Mark & Lard"?? Is that like: Marks & Spencer's XL underwear or a just cheap shot at Bursa's and his favourite food? ;-) >> Mmmm, laaard. /homer simpson off Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:39:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music << > Televise - Calla have already been mentioned here and thee favorbale > mentions were what persuaded me to purchase. Seriously impressed. I was seriously un-impressed. This was sold to me as the "new" My Bloody Valentine. It sounds fuck all like MBV. Its dull, 'worthy' rock with rather earnest vocals. Not my bag at all. >> Poor salesmanship! No way are Calla anything like MBV. File under slowcore bands like Galaxie 500, Codeine and Spain. Saw them a couple of weeks ago - most songs build from a quiet start to a big noisy ending as well as anyone. I'd go see them live before deeming them "worthy rock"... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:43:09 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Cure > Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:10:32 +0100 > From: "Keith Astbury" > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure > > > >>I may have mentioned this before, but I saw the Cure on their Faith > tour. > > > The support was excellent - Lydia Lunch in her 8 Eyed Spy guise (snip) > Mark asks... > > Where was that? > Hanley Kings Hall, Stoke, circa Nov 1981. Also on the bill were And Also The > Trees who were, to be frank, pants. (They weren't even 2nd rate Joy > Division.) > > They were polite on that tour. Much better on the ones either side - the > > Primary tour (late 80) and the Pornography tour in 82, when they were > falling > > apart. I think I saw them twice on each of those tours, plus another odd > gig to > > promote the Charlotte Sometimes single, which was also excellent. > Maybe this was one of those gigs then, cos Faith had been out 6 months by > then whereas Charlotte would have been the current 45. > Keith I have a live tape of The Cure from their UK tour in late 1981, from Edinburgh Odeon (if I recall) - it was indeed the same period as the 'Charlotte Sometimes' single. They play early versions of 'A Hundred Years' and 'The Figurehead', with changed (probably improvised) lyrics if I recall. 'Charlotte Sometimes' (which sounds pretty weedy compared to the single if I remember) is in there too, as well as 'Splintered In Her Head' (which had been in their set from earlier in the year, its on a Whiskey A Go Go live tape I have for sure). A live bootleg LP I have is from another tour where they play versions of some of the Faith tracks and a few odd b sides (such as 'I'm Cold', 'Another Journey By Train') - I'd have to check, but its either late 1980 or early 1981. The 1984 'Concert' LP was pretty disappointing really, however its worth flagging up the cassette version (called 'Concert and Curiosities'), which I don't think has been mentioned in this thread - it has a whole side of additional live recordings from 1977-1982 and has some really good tracks/recordings. The three-piece Cure of the Faith era tours were pretty fantastic, going by recordings I have heard, especially the versions of tracks from 'Three Imaginary Boys' and 'Seventeen Seconds'. I think the story goes that they are mostly mixing desk recordings from Smith's collection and after they had done that live LP he gave them away. > Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ari Britt > Subject: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure.... > .......about 14-15 years ago(maybe less) I saw a (british) group that,if one closed ones eyes,sounded so much like the Cure it coulda been them...anyone know who they might have been? > Ari (a very keen Cure fan,even now,yes siree) Can't think specifically of who that would be, but would like to flag up The Names as a band to investigate - I always figured that The Cure might have pinched 'A Short Term Effect' from them as the main riff is near identical to parts of their 'I Wish I Could Speak Your Language' song from 1981 (b side of their 'Nighshift' single). I recently bought the 'Spectators of Life' CD, having had the singles and LP for a long time, and was well taken with it - some relly fantastic songs on there only ever recorded live. I'd avoided it thinking the quality would be a bit ropey, but it has a real strength that some of their studio stuff seemed to lack at times. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:13:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Cure << .......about 14-15 years ago(maybe less) I saw a (british) group that,if one closed ones eyes,sounded so much like the Cure it coulda been them...anyone know who they might have been? > Ari (a very keen Cure fan,even now,yes siree) Can't think specifically of who that would be, but would like to flag up The Names as a band to investigate -<< Unlikely that Ari saw them unless he was in Belgium. The Names played 1 gig in the UK, at the Venue in London in 1982 (about the same time as Colin Newman's gigs there). Of course they were billed to support ACR in Manchester in 1980, but didn't turn up, so New Order made their unscheduled debut insetad. >> I always figured that The Cure might have pinched 'A Short Term Effect' from them as the main riff is near identical to parts of their 'I Wish I Could Speak Your Language' song from 1981 (b side of their 'Nighshift' single).<< Good spot. Not made than connection before. >> I recently bought the 'Spectators of Life' CD, having had the singles and LP for a long time, and was well taken with it - some relly fantastic songs on there only ever recorded live. I'd avoided it thinking the quality would be a bit ropey, but it has a real strength that some of their studio stuff seemed to lack at times. >> They've aged better than some other bands of that era. Nightshift is a great single. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:43:40 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ Am I the only one to think that such a lyric wouldn't be out of place on 154? (Howzat for bringing a thread back on topic?) John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: iansjackson@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:24:23 EDT > ><< no, you're right, they did do 'Spy...' as well...i still have the vid > somewhere... how they decided to show 'Ziggy...' instead is probably down >to > old fart Harris sitting back and saying 'see, i told you they were shit >at > the time...' or something along those lines, i'll betcha... > >> > >To be fair, it was a hit, and people know it. > >Spy in the cab is the only post-punk record about the Passenger and Goods >Vehicles (Recording Equipment) Regulations 1979. > >Oddly it portrays the monitoring of dodgy truck drivers' hours by means of >teh tachograph as a kind of Orwellian intrusion into personal freedom >rather >than an aid to the safety of other road users. > >Silly goth people. Stick to songs about Dracula and the Baader Meinhof >gang. > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:42:47 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure.... >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ari Britt >Subject: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure.... > >.......about 14-15 years ago(maybe less) I saw a (british) group that,if >one >closed ones eyes,sounded so much like the Cure it coulda been them...anyone >know >who they might have been? >Ari (a very keen Cure fan,even now,yes siree) >n.p Pink Flag (remastered)(*^$$#ing great) Could be The Essence???? paulye _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:03:41 +0100 From: "timmaher" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] was OT: Bauhaus and beyond...and back (to wire) again I remember writing off to the address in Northampton, that was on the rear sleeve of the Bauhaus' Terror Couple Kill's Colonel single. A few days later, my self addressed envelope was returned in the post. I opened it, to find it was full of grass clippings, and nothing else. I now live near Northampton myself, and was recently introduced to their then-manager, whose address it was on the sleeve. When I reminded him of the grass clipping, he nearly pissed himself laughing. Still got the envelope with the grass cuttings though. Tim - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] was OT: Bauhaus and beyond...and back (to wire) again > << :o( unfortunately i never saw our boys til 2000. but of course, they did > have > a few new (as yet unreleased) ones between 2000 and 2002. will new songs be > played next month? hm... >> > > I doubt it, but you never know.... > > The European gigs were basically the '02 set as per Metro. > > > >Subsequently saw the reformation tour in 97 which was a lot of fun. > >No-nonsense greatest hits show, played dead straight. They looked *exactly* > >the same as > >in 81. > > i agree. that was loads of fun. i hoped that the two new cover tunes they > added were hinting that there'd be more to come, but it seems it was just a > reunion tour and not the "resurrection" the ads implied.<< > > Probably just as well. Does the world really need a Bauhaus covers album? > (though admittedly the cover John Cale's of Rose garden funeral of sores is > mighty fine. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:26:11 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Crispy Ambulance at the ICA To Mark & Keith, Look forward to seeing you (and C.A.) at the ICA tomorrow. How will I recognise you ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:03:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] was OT: Bauhaus and beyond...and back (to wire) again In a message dated 5/28/03 8:29:24 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Probably just as well. Does the world really need a Bauhaus covers album? > >(though admittedly the cover John Cale's of Rose garden funeral of sores >is >mighty fine. they did do enough of em to make at least an album's worth! and they did make some pretty good choices of tunes too. and just to keep it back on topic (a bit), if i could hear one band cover i am the fly, i think i'd like it to be bauhaus. just seems so right for them. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:05:47 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music In a message dated 5/28/03 8:40:31 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Spain don't think i've heard anything by spain. hmm...add another name to the list :o) - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:56:18 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) Stand up comedian Which one is the real Bill Hick? http://www.cygnetstudios.com/Groups/BillHicksBrassQuintet.htm LOYH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:03:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap I shall report back on Mr Bursa's choice and skills. Not satisfied with the Crispies tomorrow and Jeffrey Lewis yesterday (and what a wonderful night out that was - especially support acts Hermann Dune (a performance close to rivaling early Pavement for shambolic levity) and Schwervon! (a bargain-basement White Stripes), not to mention Mr Lewis finishing the set in the street when the pub kicked him out) I popped in to see John Cale in Borders Bookshop on Oxford St on the way home tonight. Three solo songs, two from the new ep & one from the new album. Very wordy and will take some listening if the versions on record are anything like this. I've got it but haven't listened yet, as I ended up watching the dull second half and extra time of the Champions League final on getting home, waiting for someone to have a shot on goal. They didn't. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 28 May 2003 00:32 To: iansjackson@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DJ Bursacrap << WHAAAATTTT...???? i think we need to know more details here chaps...i'm intrigued...having just got hold of CA's 'Frozen Blood' CD... >> This stems from my advisory capacity with the estimable LTM organisation, for whom I act as a kind of A&R man for bands that ceased to be two decades ago... Anyway, to add authenticity to Thursday's event (Crispy Ambulance's first London gig since 1982; Biting Tongues' first gig since god knows when) Mr Nice of LTM and myself shall be, erm, spinning the platters to provide interludes of authentic Factory-flavoured post-punk obscurity. Nothing new shall be played, and we rejoice under the ironic monicker of the Shadowplayers.... As an added badge of authenticity, I was the DJ at JR's Dallas Show Bar in Blackpool in 1980, where the Crispies played there*. As ever with these things I have no idea what will happen. I just intend turning up with a box of singles... Mark *and not much since, so expect equally authentic peelesque missed cues and wrong speeds ;-). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:05:20 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Other new music Agree absolutely Mark - a fine live band. Were you at the Water Rats gig? - I was going to go but had to go up to Liverpool instead for work rather annoyingly. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 28 May 2003 13:39 To: tim@kidsindestructible.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music << > Televise - Calla have already been mentioned here and thee favorbale > mentions were what persuaded me to purchase. Seriously impressed. I was seriously un-impressed. This was sold to me as the "new" My Bloody Valentine. It sounds fuck all like MBV. Its dull, 'worthy' rock with rather earnest vocals. Not my bag at all. >> Poor salesmanship! No way are Calla anything like MBV. File under slowcore bands like Galaxie 500, Codeine and Spain. Saw them a couple of weeks ago - most songs build from a quiet start to a big noisy ending as well as anyone. I'd go see them live before deeming them "worthy rock"... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:10:41 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ I saw Bauhaus probably in 82 at 4 am at an end of term party in the Royal Institute of British Architects, which somehow I'd got an invite to. Can't say I ever liked them much after Bela Lugosi but they were OK that night, for a band at 4am. On the night I preferred the white funk sounds of Funkapolitan, who got me grooving down like a white funk bloke. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 27 May 2003 10:49 To: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ >> their gigs were always like sonic youth, in that most of the songs were from the next album,<< Or indeed Wire! >> but if memory serves it was 81ish pre mask at either irving plaza or the ritz in ny. > paul (my friend was across the pond working wimbeldon and got to > see that > "final concert" at hammersmith) c.d.<< Saw Bauhaus a couple of times - at Dudley JBs in 1980 where they were stunning - basically the first album and early singles. Pete Murphy whipping a strobe light round his head like a lassoo. Saw them again the next year on the legendary tour with Subway Sect (crooner mode) and the Birthday Party and they frankly came across as rather camp and overly theatrical, and were completely blown off stage by the BP, who I'd not seen before. Subsequently saw the reformation tour in 97 which was a lot of fun. No-nonsense greatest hits show, played dead straight. They looked *exactly* the same as in 81. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:22:21 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] IC at the Paradiso? I am very curious if there are some idealcopyists in Amsterdam tomorrow evening. And if Wire and Mogwai are not enough there is also a possibility to go Friday evening to see how Jon Wozencroft presents his new Touch release Weather Report by Chris Watson at the Balie. Somewhere between Paradiso and Melkweg. It looks history is already made before it has started already. And for B Art, Best wishes for your birthday. If there is something cute, I will send you one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:22:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat > Stuart Braithwaite (sp?) of Mogwai was doing a mix of sorts & the last track was Ex-Lion Tamer.They are doing All Tomorrows Paties BTW in Los Angeles along with Yo Le Tengo & The Fall amongst others. Talking of whom... I'm currently reading Interference (Tapehead vs Television), Jim Shelley's collection of Guardian telly reviews from the 90's. Hie review of Match of the 70's includes... "As for Allan 'Sniffer' Clarke, has anyone ever seen him and Mark E. Smith of The Fall-ah in the same-ah room-ah? 'Turnstile Psyche Goal-Hanger Conspiracy', as Mr Smith would say-ah." He also reckoned that Brian Kidd was one of The Verve.... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:05:59 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 12:22:39AM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > Stuart Braithwaite (sp?) of Mogwai was doing a mix of sorts & the last > track was Ex-Lion Tamer.They are doing All Tomorrows Paties BTW in Los > Angeles > along with Yo Le Tengo & The Fall amongst others. Bart: thanks for the pointer! Does anyone know more about Ulrich Schnauss, played on that show before the Braithwaite mix? I *really* liked it - I need that album if it's all that good. (I think I'll go to his gig in Cambridge soon.) - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:16:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music > >>Agree absolutely Mark - a fine live band. Were you at the Water Rats > gig? - << Indeed. Also in attendance our own Mr Rowland. An excellent gig, and a nice limited edition (300 copies) live EP as a souvenir! >>I was going to go but had to go up to Liverpool instead for work > rather > annoyingly.<< Hate it when that happens. Work trips meant I never saw the Auteurs. At least three tours in a row coincided with me being off somewhere (usually quite nice, but still annoying). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:20:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat > >>"As for Allan 'Sniffer' Clarke, has anyone ever seen him and Mark E. > Smith > of The Fall-ah in the same-ah room-ah? 'Turnstile Psyche Goal-Hanger > Conspiracy', as Mr Smith would say-ah."<< This is absolutely true. Sniffer was on Soccer AM on Sky last year and he's become a ringer for MES. But cleaner. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure....pt.1.2 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: From: MarkBursa@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:17:11 EDT Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Talking of the Cure.... To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com, idealcopy@smoe.org << .......about 14-15 years ago(maybe less) I saw a (british) group that,if one closed ones eyes,sounded so much like the Cure it coulda been them...anyone know who they might have been? >> Could quite possibly have been And Also the Trees!! Any more clues Ari? Where'd you see them? Headline or support, and if support, who was headlining? Did they have a girl singer? Could have been the Cranes... Mark Saw them at Nottingham University,they may have had a female singer but I don't THINK so........... they were the 'main act'............... Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Ari's concert c.d's and other worthwhile garbage............ I know I'm askin' for trouble here........but here's m' concerts put to c.d so far ,you know how to contact me......Ari (they're all excellent quality) *=Austin Conference Centre..... A3 @ the BBC Maida Vale studio 2002 + live at Barrowlands,glasgow,1998 newcastle2002 dublin nov. 2002glasgow& alt mixes 2001 Joan Armatrading @ Leicester,1982 Beck/Flaming lips.austin conference center,nov.,2002 David Byrne @ the Cats Cradle (local club where I'm going to see the Fall in July (2 c.d's) Leonard Cohen,ACC* 10/31/'88 Lloyd Cole & commotions Glastonbury '86 " " " " " Odeon,Hammersmith '85 The Cure: Odeon,'88 glastonbury '88 glastonbury '86 NEC (Birmingham) '85 the E centre,Salt Lake City 2000 (2c.d set streamed off the net) Ian Dury & Blockheads concerts 'Golddiggers',Cheltenham '84 Odeon, '78 Dominion theatre,'80 Knebworth '85 Eurythmics ,dominion theatre '82/Yazoo,Golddiggers '83 on one disc Brian Ferry Belfast 2002 Hipsway,Reading U ni,'86 James,Belfast,1991 Jewel ACC* 2000/Fiona Apple,W54th street '97 on one c.d Cowboy Junkies,Manchester,'90 Midnight Oil Glastonbury,'85 The Only ones Peel sessions The Orb,@ the Fridge,Brixton,'91 Roy Orbison,ACC,August '85 Robert Palmer @ Palais,'83 Town & country club,'91 Phish,ACC,2000 Radiohead euro tour,(2 c.d's)2000 @ the Gorge,Seattle,2001 The Avalon,Boston (usa) '96 Victoria Park,Warrington,2000 (2 c.d's) Glastonbury,'97 Roxy Music: Wembley Arena '80 Palais,'79 The The Reading,'93 singles/,extra trax not on c.d from soul mining/KCRW sessions singles/st. Georges Hall,Bradford,'89 Richard Thompson @ the Cats Cradle '94 (2 c.d's) The Tubes europe tour '84 Jethro Tull,Madison Sq. gdns,'78 Steel Pulse '78/UB40 '82 Peel Sessions Tom Waits,ACC '78 Morphine KCRW sessions/The Yeah Yeah Yeahs WFMU 2002,on one c.d Wir at the mean fiddler,london '91 and as soon as Miles gets 'round to it,some Wilco concerts off the radio....... btw........only really interested in good sound quality recordings which is why I haven't included many of the Wire concerts I have........over and out. Ari Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Are You The Weakest Link?? >Are you the weakest link? Below are four (4) questions. You have to >answer them instantly. You can't take your time, answer all of them >immediately. > >OK? Let's find out just how clever you really are. > >Ready? > >GO!!! (scroll down) > > > > > > > > > > >First Question: > >You are participating in a race. You overtake the second person.What >position are you in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: If you answered that you are first, then you are absolutely >wrong!If you overtake the second person and you take his place, you are >second! > > >Try not to mess up in the next question. > > >To answer the second question, don't take as much time as you took for >the first question. > > > > > > >Second Question: If you overtake the last person, then you are...? > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: If you answered that you are second to last, then you are wrong >again. Tell me, how can YOU overtake the LAST person?! > > >You're not very good at this are you? > > > > > > > >Third Question: Very tricky math! Note: This must be done in your head only >Do NOT use paper and pencil or a calculator. Try it. > > > > > > >Take 1000 and add 40 to it. Now add another 1000. Now add 30. Add >another 1000. Now add 20. Now add another 1000. Now add 10. What is the >total? > > > > > > >Scroll down for answer.. > > > > > > > > > > >Did you get 5000? The correct answer is actually 4100. >Don't believe it? Check with your calculator! > >Today is definitely not your day. Maybe you will get the last question >right? > > > > > > >Mary's father has five daughters: 1. Nana, 2. Nene, 3. Nini, 4. Nono. > >What is the name of the fifth daughter? > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: Nunu? NO! Of course not. Her name is Mary. Read the question >again > > >KEEP THIS GOING TO FRUSTRATE > >THE "SMART PEOPLE" IN YOUR LIFE! Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] spam spam spam........(O.T) I sent.......... ..an email to this list and the Shriekback list yet it ended up in the 'Bulk' (spam) file,anyone else having this problem with yahoo? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Are You The Weakest Link?? Ari Britt wrote:To: shriek_digicon@yahoogroups.com, idealcopy@smoe.org From: Ari Britt Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Shriekback_Digital_Conspiracy] O.T: Are You The Weakest Link?? >Are you the weakest link? Below are four (4) questions. You have to >answer them instantly. You can't take your time, answer all of them >immediately. > >OK? Let's find out just how clever you really are. > >Ready? > >GO!!! (scroll down) > > > > > > > > > > >First Question: > >You are participating in a race. You overtake the second person.What >position are you in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: If you answered that you are first, then you are absolutely >wrong!If you overtake the second person and you take his place, you are >second! > > >Try not to mess up in the next question. > > >To answer the second question, don't take as much time as you took for >the first question. > > > > > > >Second Question: If you overtake the last person, then you are...? > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: If you answered that you are second to last, then you are wrong >again. Tell me, how can YOU overtake the LAST person?! > > >You're not very good at this are you? > > > > > > > >Third Question: Very tricky math! Note: This must be done in your head only >Do NOT use paper and pencil or a calculator. Try it. > > > > > > >Take 1000 and add 40 to it. Now add another 1000. Now add 30. Add >another 1000. Now add 20. Now add another 1000. Now add 10. What is the >total? > > > > > > >Scroll down for answer.. > > > > > > > > > > >Did you get 5000? The correct answer is actually 4100. >Don't believe it? Check with your calculator! > >Today is definitely not your day. Maybe you will get the last question >right? > > > > > > >Mary's father has five daughters: 1. Nana, 2. Nene, 3. Nini, 4. Nono. > >What is the name of the fifth daughter? > > > > > > > > > > > >Answer: Nunu? NO! Of course not. Her name is Mary. Read the question >again > > >KEEP THIS GOING TO FRUSTRATE > >THE "SMART PEOPLE" IN YOUR LIFE! Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If we stand together long enough and in the right place, perhaps the accustomed fog will lift and we will glimpse whole new planets and, further off, the unfamiliar stars. ~~'Shriek Without End'~~ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:56:35 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] feeling hot hot heat In a message dated 5/28/03 7:06:53 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > Bart: thanks for the pointer! Does anyone know more about Ulrich Schnauss, > played on that show before the Braithwaite mix? I *really* liked it - I > need that album if it's all that good. > > (I think I'll go to his gig in Cambridge soon.) > > - Andrew > > the first Ulrich Schnauss lp: Far Away Trains Passing By is an absolute gem...very melodic and shimmering...kind of like Robin Guthrie meets Cluster.... Schnauss has a new lp due out on June 2nd..it's titled : A Strangely Isolated Place...for more info: www.city-centre-offices.de RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:51:45 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC at the Paradiso? Addendum This may be of interest regarding Jon Wozencroft and Andrew of The Hafler Trio: From: h3o Date: Wed May 28, 2003 9:18:37 PM America/Detroit To: h3o-o3h@www.god-emil.dk Subject: jon "wozencroft" Reply-To: h3o-o3h@www.god-emil.dk it has come to my attention that the 'entity' formerly known as "jon wozencroft" has been vomiting "non-truths" as regards my physical condition. as he refuses to even contact me even incidentally and his information is based on literally nothing, I would ask all concerned to disregard statemets he has made as rgards me situation, health, or anything else. if anyone wishes to examine my medical records I will be happy to supply them. there are numerous people in Iceland and Denmark that have seen first hand what the situation really is. that "he" chooses to report these 'lies' has resulted in his being persona non grata as people have met me on the short tour. verified. someting j. woozlepip did not do. j. wozencroft is a thief, and is preventing the re-release of h3o works. his partner, msc harding has witheld monies from me for approx. 15 years. they have made NO attempt to even talk about this "situation". I'm just being "difficult" they are liars and frauds. I urge everyone with an ounce of sense not to buy their pathetic products, and to spread the "word". oh, and mr j.woz is still subscribed to this list. if this doesen't work, his email address is: touchjonwoz@dial@pipex.com please let him know what you think of his silence.. ./a - ------------------------------------------------------- On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 06:22 PM, Jan J Noorda wrote: > I am very curious if there are some idealcopyists in Amsterdam tomorrow > evening. > > And if Wire and Mogwai are not enough there is also a possibility to > go Friday > evening to see how Jon Wozencroft presents his new Touch release > Weather > Report by Chris Watson at the Balie. Somewhere between Paradiso and > Melkweg. > It looks history is already made before it has started already. > > And for B Art, Best wishes for your birthday. If there is something > cute, I > will send you one. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #155 *******************************