From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #151 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Major Labels Mess Your Computers [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:46:49 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Major Labels Mess Your Computers http://www.alternativetentacles.com/ http://www.alternativetentacles.com/news.php?sd=mvXzv0NJldxeVYrYmxS#135 05/06/03 :Major Labels To Mess With Your Computers? Reuters May 5, 2003, 4:48 AM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-999652.html Some of the world's largest record labels are quietly financing the creation of programs by small software firms that, if deployed, would sabotage the computers and Internet connections of people who download pirated music, according to a published report. Citing industry executives, The New York Times reported in an article that appeared on its Web site on Saturday, that the efforts bear varying degrees of legality including attacking a computer's Internet connection to slow or halt downloads and overwhelming distribution networks with programs that masquerade as music files. "There are a lot of things you can do--some quite nasty," the Times quoted Marc Morgenstern, chief executive of software company Overpeer, as saying. The company receives support from several large media companies, it said. If large record labels roll out the programs, it would be the most aggressive tactic yet in the music piracy wars by the recording industry, which has claimed that music piracy costs it more than $4 billion in annual sales worldwide. Last month a federal judge in Los Angeles ruled that file-sharing services Grokster and Morpheus were not guilty of copyright infringement. The Times said approaches under development range from relatively modest in degree to quite severe. One method is a "Trojan horse" program that simply redirects users to Web sites where they can legitimately buy the songs they had tried to download. Another locks up a computer for a certain amount of time, minutes or hours, risking the loss of data that was not saved if the user restarts the computer, the paper reported. The industry's big five labels--Vivendi's Universal Music Group, AOL Time Warner's Warner Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, Bertelsmann's BMG and EMI Group--have all backed the development of counterpiracy programs, according the industry executives, but none would discuss details publicly, the paper reported. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:26:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ In a message dated 5/23/03 12:26:09 PM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: > What other delights were on offer? The bad joke that was Soft Cell? The > Waitresses?? Elton bloody John???? GIVE ME A BREAK!! > > hey now! watch that slagging of Soft Cell ! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:29:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WOT (Way off topic) Fahrenheit 911 In a message dated 5/23/03 10:45:13 AM Central Daylight Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: > Michael Moore, the Oscar winning documentary film-maker, has managed to get > a Walt Disney owned subsidiary to put up initial finance for a film linking > the family of the president of the US with America's public eneny No.1, Osama > bin Laden. yes, but isn't hooking up with Disney an evil and despicable act as well?? food for thought (oh wait, Mr. Moore doesn't need any more food) RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:20:05 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure > > Be healthy, stay wealthy... > >But how do I BECOME wealthy? That's a whole 'nuther question! Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:21:55 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] wire reviewed on Alternative Tentacles site http://www.alternativetentacles.com/product.php?product=650 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:31:40 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]Later Romania, Electronic Six and...Beuys Nice performance in Later from the Electronic Six and the ublievable family Haidouk with their Romanian traditional music. I saw them once here in a park neirby. My neighbour a Romanian art and political refugee has to see this. The neighbour was well-known to Hans vander Grinten. Hans is one of the brothers vander Grinten, who are/were curators and collectors of the work made by Joseph Beuys. It is all installed in a castle in Museum Schloss Moyland, somewhere in Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. Wonder if Graham has visited once. http://www.bedburg-hau.de/moyland/ Bought today Don de Lillo's last novel. Kosmopolis Has anyone read this already? QUOTE GL: Probably as much influence as the Beatles... There again: "The slayer of giants in the finest of stockings!" Young Bueys for goal posts, scraped knees, time for tea, Marmite sandwiches... - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:09:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] send:received Package containing CDx2, vinyl & badge arrived this morning. The sad bastard anorak completist faction of the IC massive can breathe easy. Mark ;-) MP: Metro - phew! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:39:31 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send:received In a message dated 24/05/2003 15:10:31 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Package containing CDx2, vinyl & badge arrived this morning. > > The sad bastard anorak completist faction of the IC massive can breathe > easy. > > Mark ;-) > > MP: Metro - phew! > AND ME TOO !! AND ME TOO !! Chris NP SEND !! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:34:51 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: cure for the cure >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:38:25 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cure for the cure > >fascination street & pictures of you do stand out from the crowd, though >... >& 2 late is about as good a b-side as they ever did, which with this band >is >saying a hell of a lot. Oh yeah. "2 Late" is an amazing track. The Cure is, in my opinion, the best B-sides band around. "The Exploding Boy", "I'm Cold", "Another Journey By Train", "2 Late", "Halo", "It Used To Be Me", "This Twilight Garden", etc. etc. All great stuff. I heard that a Cure B-sides box set was going to be released by Polydor sometime this year. The Chain Of Flowers website (http://www.chainofflowers.com) mentioned this months ago. I'm not sure if they are still moving forward with it or not, but, if they do, this has the potential to be the most kick-ass box set ever released. If you have all of the full-length Cure albums, then you only know half of the story...the B-sides are just too damn good to ignore. >lucky son of a gun ... i've got a 2cd boot of their dallas promo-tour show, >& it's -- as the kids say -- killer. strange day & 100 years separated by >only one song? jesus. (when they played dallas on their tour proper 4 or 5 >months later we got the latter but not the former, which come to think of >it >may have been the only song off pornography we *didn't* get ...) I've got the 2CD live boot of the Atlanta promo show that I attended at The Roxy...it's amazing stuff. "The Figurehead", "A Strange Day", "100 Years", etc. Simply amazing. This Roxy show was broadcast on 99X that night and the quality of the recording tops the quality of The Cure's "official" live albums, Show and Paris. I also attended the Atlanta show on the Dream Tour that same May at Lakewood Ampitheathre. I didn't expect it to hold a candle to the much smaller show that I had attended months earlier, but it came pretty damn close...The Cure played for over three hours and their setlist included two songs from Faith, "All Cats Are Grey" and "Faith". I've got the 3CD boot of that show as well. It's always a good thing to have live boots from shows that I attended. Speaking of live shows: I got tix for the Buzzcocks show in Atlanta at Cotton Club on July 16. It looks to be a fun time. The songs that I've heard from the new album are impressive enough to merit watching the new material in concert. I'm curious to hear how their older stuff sounds live now. Jason NP: a mix CD of Frank Black songs that I made a few days ago. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:20:16 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send:received In a message dated 5/24/03 3:40:29 PM GMT Daylight Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > AND ME TOO !! AND ME TOO !! > > Chris ////////but sadly not me :-( p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:44:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure > > Speaking about the Cure - the fact that there is no consensus on their Top 3 > > albums means that they are a very important band. Don't you hate those bands > > that can be summed by "get their X, but don't get Y and Z because they > > suck"? > > True... we've only got to look at Wire for this. And yeah, the Cure are > indeed a great band. I just don't play them all that much anymore. Maybe > soon I'll rediscover 'em as has happened with lots of bands I thought I'd > never give a spin again. I haven't played The Cure in some time either, but I know I'd still like the following... 1. 17 Seconds 2. Disintregration 3. Faith 4. Pornography I'll stop there... I noticed a couple of folk mentioned The Top. I never really liked it to be honest (apart from Shake...) - or the Banshees Hyaena which Paul made mention of. Two albums that really disappointed me by bands that I LOVED at the time, but whilst for better or worse I continued buying Siouxsie LP's, my Cure fixation (with the exception of the excellent Disintregration and the odd 45) never really recovered. I'll definitely get round to getting Bloodflowers one day mind... > > And I do want to see a list of 250 best albums recorded ever that doesn't > > include any Cure. > > (gad... that's another fine mess I've gotten myself into) > I er... you're going to need a petition for that, signed by every IC > member...... without any veto's! (phew, I think I got away with that) ;-) I'll gladly sign a petition Bart!!! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:23:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music > > Think Tank - Blur > > Not everyone's cup of tea here, but on initial listens I'm impressed. FWIW I > > think it's their best album since Modern Life is Rubbish. > > Was it you Keith, who told us you couldn't play a copy-controlled > Think Tank on your cd-player, and if so, has this fact anything > to do with your appreciation of the above? ;-) > > Bart Yeah it was me. And as I've only played it whilst sitting at the computer with the tinny speakers a couple of feet from my head, you may be right! I'd still like to hear it on a cd-player though!! Keith NP Think Tank whilst sitting at the computer! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:29:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure << 1. 17 Seconds 2. Disintregration 3. Faith 4. Pornography >> Rearrange those to 1,3,4,2 and you've got my top 4. 17secs is well up there for me. Whereas Kiss me Kiss me Kiss me, The Top and Wild Mood Swings are, with one or two tracks excepted, pants. Bloodflowers flatters to deceive. Wish they'd release a 1980-vintage live album, plus the BBC sessions (the first 5 Peels are all splendid, as is the Saturday Live set from 85). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:31:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send:received << ////////but sadly not me :-( p >> Why am I not surprised that Droitwich postie couldn't be arsed to lug that round! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:03:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] KC on the WT << Hey, what about Crim on the Whistle Test last night... f***in' great or WHAT ! >> Erm, what! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:12:59 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send:received In a message dated 24/05/2003 19:20:50 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > > ////////but sadly not me :-( p > Mate.It will come .It WILL come. Chris NP Puressence -Walking Dead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:16:30 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] send:received In a message dated 24/05/2003 23:32:56 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Why am I not surprised that Droitwich postie couldn't be arsed to lug that > round! > Paul have you checked the garage or round by the bin.Or your neighbours as it certainly won't go through the letterbox ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:18:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Single, OK? << > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > Obligatory Pop Song > Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least > representative. > Agreed,In the art of stopping should be 'the single' Ari Definitely COMET! It just has that anthemic quality. >> Nah, there's only one single - Spent. You know I'm right. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:32:38 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure In a message dated 5/24/03 6:30:44 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Wish they'd release a 1980-vintage live album, plus the BBC >sessions (the first 5 Peels are all splendid, as is the Saturday Live set >from >85). > concert, recorded in 84, not 80, and though it brings back horrible memories for me (driving around manhattan's upper west side trying to find parking for almost the entire length of the cure concert that night) is a good collection of songs. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 02:42:17 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Other new music > > (can we start > > > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > > > Obligatory Pop Song > > > > Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least > > representative. Well Its one of the more interesting tracks. It wouldn't sound out of place on the 'Wir' album...its the closest Send gets to Mute-era Wire. Maybe not representative of Pinkflag version of Wire, but perhaps a nod to the next move? Keith A said: > Andrew asked what (else) we were listening to.... > > Televise - Calla have already been mentioned here and thee favorbale > mentions were what persuaded me to purchase. Seriously impressed. I was seriously un-impressed. This was sold to me as the "new" My Bloody Valentine. It sounds fuck all like MBV. Its dull, 'worthy' rock with rather earnest vocals. Not my bag at all. As for new music, The Four Tet LP is OK but not as good as its supposed to be. I find it rather too tasteful in places...much like DJ Shadow. This week I have been mostly listening to: Cabaret Voltaire - "Methodology 74-78 The Attic Tapes" Box Set. OK not new music at all. Great little archive of 3 CDs of a very young CV, very obviously inebriated (lots of stifled giggles in the background)...messing around with synth, woodwind, tapes, beatboxes and guitar...gradually finding their sound in Chris Watsons attic. I expected this to be really difficult listening. Its not!. If you're a fan of early CV you will love this. The sound is Suprisingly Hi-Fi (they had good gear even then) and a lot of it is brilliant and often more enjoyable than the first few Cabs LPs. A lot of this is very minmal, ambient electronica that still sounds fresh (think a darker version of Immersion). Listen On and you realise...they pretty much had it back in 1974! Lots of spoken-word stuff in broad Sheffield accents too....eeh they were a reet good band was the Cabs. And 'The Single'....."Ah 12345, Come on Kids Lets Jive...Ah Come on baby hit those Keys..." Chris Clark - Ceramics is The Bomb He is to Warp what Crispy Ambulance were to Factory...but this shamless Aphex Twin/Squarepusher impersonator releases mini-LP which shits on anything Aphex & Squarepusher have done this century. Autechre - Draft 7.30 Makes more sense on every listen, but still doesn't make much sense after 10 or so. Like all Ae stuff, I know it will suddenly take hold...maybe after 10 more listens. Fennesz - Field Recordings If you liked Endless Summer (which sounds a lot more like MBV than Calla!) then you'll like this. If you like this, get the rest of his stuff. Kids Indestructible - Trans Pennine Express. Blowing my own trumpet! Our record company describes it as "space-rock in a MBV/Spiritualized way with Boards of Canada Melodies". Who am I to disagree? http:://www.gooom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:47:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure > >>concert, recorded in 84, not 80, and though it brings back horrible > memories > for me (driving around manhattan's upper west side trying to find parking > for > almost the entire length of the cure concert that night) is a good > collection > of songs.<< > > But recorded by the worst of all Cure line-ups (Andy Anderson on drums and > Phil Thornally on bass). For that alone I find it pretty much unlistenable. > > Something from the Primary tour in 1980 would be ideal. 3-piece band - > mainly 17 seconds/Faith set with better versions of many of the 3 Imaginary boys > songs. NOW you're talking.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:58:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure i wrote about the cure-concert: >is a good >> collection >> of songs. mark replied: >> >> But recorded by the worst of all Cure line-ups (Andy Anderson on drums >and >> Phil Thornally on bass). For that alone I find it pretty much unlistenable. i'm judging by tracklist, as i'd have to agree with you on that...i haven't listened to it in years :o) and it was the first cure album i ever got on cd. some of my early cd purchases were pretty horrid, now that i think about it, as i was buying pretty much only things i didn't have on vinyl already. only recently did i start buying cds of records i already own...mostly for the bonus tracks (thanks ltm!) but i admit it's real nice to have some of my favorite records on cd now. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #151 *******************************