From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #150 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: cure for the cure ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] HAPPY 40th BIRTHDAY BART..... [Ari Britt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:18:54 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: cure for the cure As someone here has already written, The Cure's next three albums are set to be produced by Ross Robinson (Korn, Slipknot, etc.). Ross Robinson has been hugely influenced by The Cure, as he has mentioned in interviews, so I'm hoping that he'll be faithful to The Cure sound (and that The Cure will not be releasing a nu-metal album...lol). Robert Smith has always had the driver's seat pretty much when it comes to album sound, though, so there's probably no big worry. I have heard that the next album will be a bit heavier in sound. My top five Cure: 1. Disintegration 2. Seventeen Seconds 3. Faith 4. The Head On The Door 5. Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me I saw The Cure in a 1,000 seat capacity club venue here in Atlanta a few years ago when they were doing a promotional tour for Bloodflowers. It was quite a rush to see the band from mere feet away and watch them play "One Hundred Years" in the small venue, as it was meant to be heard. I had to fake being a member of a radio station club to get the tickets, but that's a long story in itself. People were paying over $400 to scalpers for tickets to that show, so quite lucky here to get them for the face value ($36). I met the band briefly after the show and joked with Robert about his South Park appearance. Talk about a band who is down to earth and nice to their fans...that's these guys. Jason NP: X - "Johnny Hit And Run Paulene" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:34:51 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT Bart! You stole the anorak from Mr.Bursa! Yes, it was GoR with GFL. Was it the hint or you too hear the similarity between GoR and E&tB? I was worried this is flukes of my imagination. Speaking about the Cure - the fact that there is no consensus on their Top 3 albums means that they are a very important band. Don't you hate those bands that can be summed by "get their X, but don't get Y and Z because they suck"? And I do want to see a list of 250 best albums recorded ever that doesn't include any Cure. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:07:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] KC on the WT Hey, what about Crim on the Whistle Test last night... f***in' great or WHAT ! Such a shame the Old Grey did the old Sudden Fade trick - how dare they ! Only to segue it into some SHITE of course... I saw Fripp doing a day long Frippertronic thing in The Union Chapel in Islington in 97. I came along for the last hour. There he was, guitar in hand, sitting by the altar, wearing a suitably priestly smock, amid two stacks of samplers and FX racks, as the layering loops circled the holy space. Every so often he would 'dismount' from his position and walk in a very stately fashion, and sit down in the front pew, as the loops continued their course. At one stage, when he was playing, someone took a photograph. Fripp stopped playing. He looked totally shocked. He raised his hands in despair. I really thought he was going to start crying. It was hilarious. It took him several minutes to compose himself and get back to the job at hand. It was as though someone had tried the photograph God... or something... Ah, there's nothing like the true English eccentric... Fergus np - Colin Newman : A -Z " A spanner in the works ! " -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:42:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: GoR / Cure for the Cure > Bart! You stole the anorak from Mr.Bursa! Yes, it was GoR with GFL. Was it > the hint or you too hear the similarity between GoR and E&tB? I was worried > this is flukes of my imagination. You flatter me Syarzhuk, but to tell you the truth without the BIG *wink-wink* 2-coloured hint I would never have guessed it. You do have a point though about the singers similarities - I hear that. > Speaking about the Cure - the fact that there is no consensus on their Top 3 > albums means that they are a very important band. Don't you hate those bands > that can be summed by "get their X, but don't get Y and Z because they > suck"? True... we've only got to look at Wire for this. And yeah, the Cure are indeed a great band. I just don't play them all that much anymore. Maybe soon I'll rediscover 'em as has happened with lots of bands I thought I'd never give a spin again. > And I do want to see a list of 250 best albums recorded ever that doesn't > include any Cure. (gad... that's another fine mess I've gotten myself into) I er... you're going to need a petition for that, signed by every IC member...... without any veto's! (phew, I think I got away with that) ;-) > Be healthy, stay wealthy... But how do I BECOME wealthy? Cheers, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] WOT (Way off topic) Fahrenheit 911 Michael Moore, the Oscar winning documentary film-maker, has managed to get a Walt Disney owned subsidiary to put up initial finance for a film linking the family of the president of the US with America's public eneny No.1, Osama bin Laden. And, if the movie ever gets made, it could have some fascinating Irish connections, because a key player in the drama will almost certainly be bin Laden's brother-in-law, who paid millions for an Irish passport. Moore, star of hit movie Bowling For Columbine, was last week promised bridging finance from Disney offshoot Miramax, despite having been told earlier that Mel Gibson's film production company was pulling out of the venture. The movie, called Fahrenheit 911, purports to investigate the historical ties between the Bush family and the bin Ladens via the Carlyle group, and the report that the Bush administration allowede 24 bin Laden family members to leave the US on a private Saudi jet before the FBI could question them. Miramax has scheduled Fahrenheit 911 to hit the screens in the months leading up to the 2004 US presidantial election, just as president Bush will be running for a second term. The Irish interest comes through Sheikh Khalid Mahfouz, the Saudi banker who married one of bin Laden's sisters and who bought 11 Irish passports at the start of the 90s. Then Taoiseach Charles Haughey is known to have facilitated the transaction. Sheik Khalid has subsequently been named as a bin Laden benefactor, who laundered money into tax exempt US entities that turned out to be alleged Al-Qaeda fronts. At the same time Sheikh Khalid enjoyed close links with Bush Snr and the Texas oil industry. (from The Irish Independant) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:47:04 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.3 > > No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a > > great > > #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the > > Door as > > #3? > > > Disagree Bart. I think Faith was their best. Not that anyone was burning to know this information about me, but I always thought Seventeen Seconds was the Cure's best. (^_^) The Top was probably number 2 on my list, equally matched by Siouxsie & The Banshees' Hyena, since Robert's style was all over both records. Can't make up my mind about number 3. (^_^) Head On The Door was pretty good - think I might rate Staring At The Sea - The Singles up there too. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:49:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Send vinyl again zzzzzzzzzzzz So, has everybody received their copy yet? Besides me, of course. It's probably collectable at this point. Still Send-less for the holiday weekend. Cheers, Billy __________________________________________________ It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:10:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send vinyl again zzzzzzzzzzzz At 05:49 PM 5/23/2003 +0100, Monochromatic Man wrote: >So, has everybody received their copy yet? Besides me, >of course. >It's probably collectable at this point. Not me, but I ordered the vinyl in a completely separate transaction -- which meant that I received the SEND CD promptly. I was chalking this up as a stroke of luck until hearing about the latest pink flag tchotchke, which of course will necessitate a *third* order to posteverything.com... :-) Anyway, the priority should be and probably is to get the vinyl and vinyl/CD combos to the previously SENDless, so I'm not bummed at all about my vinyl not yet arriving. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:25:02 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt: Bauhaus and beyond........ >From: "John Roberts" >Now don't forget that OGWT is on tonight not tomorrow. Yes, I too >forgot to tape the Go4 appearance. But what did they have on the Whistle >Test in 1982? Bauhaus? They *were* on last night,and pretty lamentable they were too. I usually don't mind them, but what posessed the compilers to pick *this* of all the stuff they had?. I'll bet even the band were embarrassed by it, so much did it remind you of amateur hour down the Dog & Duck. The guitarist seemed to have brought his favourite 'bargain bucket' lead with him as it spluttered and eventually died, and the bass player's sound couldn't have been worse if he'd been using nylon fishing line nailed to a plank. :-O And they were one of the better acts. What other delights were on offer? The bad joke that was Soft Cell? The Waitresses?? Elton bloody John???? GIVE ME A BREAK!! (Derek, wondering if it's worth setting the vid for next week.........) Haircut 100? Blue Rondo a la Turk? > Chron Gen? Thankfully not...................... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:38:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WOT (Way off topic) Fahrenheit 911 Saw an extended documentary on Dutch telly the other day about the Carlyle group claiming that the Bin Ladens and Bush sr. were in the same room on 9-11 watching the attacks together. Apparently the Carlyle group is a very very secretive and powerfull (republican orientated) society which has grown mainly due to superfriendly connections between the Saudies and the US after the Gulfwar. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of these days Mr. Moore will be found with a bullit between his eyes. Though he sometimes can be a bit of a populist I take my hat of for the man here. The Carlyle group is some sort of Darth Vader! It seems to represent everything that is corrupt in this world. Bart > Michael Moore, the Oscar winning documentary film-maker, has managed to get a > Walt Disney owned subsidiary to put up initial finance for a film linking the > family of the president of the US with America's public eneny No.1, Osama bin > Laden. And, if the movie ever gets made, it could have some fascinating Irish > connections, because a key player in the drama will almost certainly be bin > Laden's brother-in-law, who paid millions for an Irish passport. Moore, star > of hit movie Bowling For Columbine, was last week promised bridging finance > from Disney offshoot Miramax, despite having been told earlier that Mel > Gibson's film production company was pulling out of the venture. The movie, > called Fahrenheit 911, purports to investigate the historical ties between the > Bush family and the bin Ladens via the Carlyle group, and the report that the > Bush administration allowede 24 bin Laden family members to leave the US on a > private Saudi jet before the FBI could question them. Miramax has! > scheduled Fahrenheit 911 to hit the screens in the months leading up to the > 2004 US presidantial election, just as president Bush will be running for a > second term. The Irish interest comes through Sheikh Khalid Mahfouz, the Saudi > banker who married one of bin Laden's sisters and who bought 11 Irish > passports at the start of the 90s. Then Taoiseach Charles Haughey is known to > have facilitated the transaction. Sheik Khalid has subsequently been named as > a bin Laden benefactor, who laundered money into tax exempt US entities that > turned out to be alleged Al-Qaeda fronts. At the same time Sheikh Khalid > enjoyed close links with Bush Snr and the Texas oil industry. (from The Irish > Independant) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:52:20 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send vinyl again zzzzzzzzzzzz In a message dated 23/05/2003 17:50:05 GMT Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > Still Send-less for the holiday weekend. > > Cheers, > Billy > And me Billy.I ordered the vinyl too. ZZZZZZZZZ Chris NP.Alpinestars - Burning Up ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] F.911 Saw an extended documentary on Dutch telly the other day about the Carlyle group claiming that the Bin Ladens and Bush sr. were in the same room on 9-11 watching the attacks together. Apparently the Carlyle group is a very very secretive and powerfull (republican orientated) society which has grown mainly due to superfriendly connections between the Saudies and the US after the Gulfwar. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of these days Mr. Moore will be found with a bullit between his eyes. Though he sometimes can be a bit of a populist I take my hat of for the man here. The Carlyle group is some sort of Darth Vader! It seems to represent everything that is corrupt in this world. Bart ............................... Nothing would suprise me about this administration,most folk over here don't even know that the current pres. gave himself the power to CANCEL THE ELECTIONS in the 'Homeland Security Bill' 'cause it's so long that not even the Senators that passed it had time to read it............ Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] HAPPY 40th BIRTHDAY BART..... ........must be SOMETIME around now....which makes me old enough to be your Dad,so do as you're told,you hear? Have a nice one bro'.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:38:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: cure for the cure >1. Disintegration my problem with disintegration, which probably would win most polls as their best ever, is that to my admittedly jaded ears all the songs sound too similar, except for lovesong, which i absolutely loath more than any other song they've ever recorded (only hot hot hot comes close, though admittedly i've exposed myself to wild mood swings' dubious charms as little as possible). fascination street & pictures of you do stand out from the crowd, though ... & 2 late is about as good a b-side as they ever did, which with this band is saying a hell of a lot. still, as i've noted before, their tour in support of the album *did* land them in new orleans, across lake pontchartrain from my home at the time, for my 30th birthday -- excellent timing. >2. Seventeen Seconds >3. Faith >4. The Head On The Door >5. Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me > >I saw The Cure in a 1,000 seat capacity club venue here in Atlanta a few >years ago when they were doing a promotional tour for Bloodflowers. It >was quite a rush to see the band from mere feet away and watch them play >"One Hundred Years" in the small venue, as it was meant to be heard. I >had to fake being a member of a radio station club to get the tickets, but >that's a long story in itself. People were paying over $400 to scalpers >for tickets to that show, so quite lucky here to get them for the face value >($36). lucky son of a gun ... i've got a 2cd boot of their dallas promo-tour show, & it's -- as the kids say -- killer. strange day & 100 years separated by only one song? jesus. (when they played dallas on their tour proper 4 or 5 months later we got the latter but not the former, which come to think of it may have been the only song off pornography we *didn't* get ...) dan np: w.i.t. whatever it takes I met the band briefly after the show and joked with Robert about >his South Park appearance. Talk about a band who is down to earth and >nice to their fans...that's these guys. > > >Jason > >NP: X - "Johnny Hit And Run Paulene" > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:33:29 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 09:24 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/22/03 1:27:11 AM, edspecial@digitalrealm.net > writes: >> http://monkey.org/~pheezy/shooby/ > whose music is this? > -paul > www.mp3.com/winteracademy Shooby Taylor: http://www.keyofz.com/keyofz/shooby.htm http://www.shooby.com/shooby/ http://www.earthstation1.com/shooby.html http://www.keyofz.com/keyofz/nyt.html http://www.maxbass.com/shooby.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:40:13 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Cure for red wine-ism >anyone know what Robert's doing these daze? I am sure what ever it is there is a lot of drinking involved!! I think my favorite, and their best album differs. I think their best album is definately Disintegration, especially if you include the b-sides. But, my favorite is mostly Boys Don't Cry/Three Imaginary Boys. Faith has a lot of votes too, but the former is just to damn happy and bouncy. :) OK, alright. Come and watch me sh- sh- shake tonite... paulye _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #150 *******************************