From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #149 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 23 2003 Volume 06 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Desmond Simmons on tour ["White Derek" ] [idealcopy] cure for the cure [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Other new music [P J Kane ] [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Other new music ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Bart wrote.... [Ari Britt ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued/gilbert/lewis....... [Ari Britt <] [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.3 [Ari Britt ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Other new music ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] A Single, OK? [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Other new music [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:52:35 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Desmond Simmons on tour > >Desmond Simmons resurfaces in June as guitarist in Barry Melton's latest >band. Is this Barry 'The Fish' Melton, Country Joe McDonald's erstwhile axeman? _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:09:38 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Other new music Apart from Wire's "Send", which no doubt we've all got now (can we start the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's Obligatory Pop Song[1], I think ... :)), are there any other CDs people have been particularly enjoying recently? I need to get a copy of Akatombo's "Trace Elements", but I've been thoroughly enjoying Four Tet's "Rounds", Yo La Tengo's "Summer Sun", the Yeah Yeah Yeahs album, and the McLusky single (due out in the UK next week) "There Ain't No Fool In Ferguson". McLusky are rapidly ascending to the title of Most Sarcastic Band in the World, which suits me just fine. Also, I finally picked up godspeed!'s "... Zero Kanada" ep, which is majestic. I do feel the need for more new music, though, and there are a lot of people on this list with very varied taste, so... - - Andrew ("and if you can deal with this hepatitis p***-wrecked molotov cocktail monobrow s***hole / baby - you can deal with anywhere at alllll!") [1] see also Map Ref, Outdoor Miner, Ahead ... - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk | http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk | http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio - 11pm Wednesdays, "Random Walk" | http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:28:23 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Re The Sound on OGWT >NP: The Cure - Disintegration (damn if this isn't the best album ever >recorded) No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a great #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the Door as #3? >my fascination of The Chameleons, Echo And The Bunnymen, etc. etc. Speaking of the Bunnymen here's a little quiz for you guys - and the one that has almost nothing to do with them! I digged an old tape yesterday of a band I couldn't remember what they sounded like and started playing it. On the first listen I said "damned country rock". But on the second play I was striken by the similarity between the singer's voice and that of Ian McCullough (sp?), though it could be just me. As a hint - it's an American band, the band name is about two colo[u]rs and they cover a classic folk tune. Who will be the pretender for the anorak this time? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:03:37 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued hello all. thanks for that site with all of the Wire album covers. i was interested to notice The The's _Burning Blue Soul_ listed. i see at AllMusic that B Gilbert is credited with production/guitar/piano. does anyone know what tunes he worked on from that disc? much obliged. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:06:19 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] cure for the cure >> NP: The Cure - Disintegration (damn if this isn't the best album ever >> recorded) > No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a great > #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the Door as > #3? All as best album recorded EVER? Jees, they don't even make it to my top 250! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:15:26 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music << are there any other CDs people have been particularly enjoying recently? >> lessee... in my CD carry case right now: "Send" by Wire. Duh. "Imperial" by Robin Guthrie. interesting ambient guitar stuff, but not quite as spectacular as i would have expected from him. "Album Sampler" from Lorna. this band is giving away this CD free. go to HTTP://www.lornamusic.co.uk (which does a bizarro re-direct...) and they have tons of free downloads too. they vary from simle pop to trip-hop-esque stuff to post-rockish. very cool. "El Naval" by Mus. ambient pop from Spain. "Version Soul" by Spaceways Inc. Ken Vandermark, Nate McBride, and Hamid Drake = awesome jazz/funk fusion. "Polyfusia" by Seefeel. not new, but i just finally found the CD in a used shop, to upgrade from a well-worn "taped by a friend" copy. still good after all these years. "She Has No Strings Apollo" by The Dirty Three. i just love this band. so unique. this is good, but not as good as their last two. (at least, it doesn't move me like "Whatever you love you are" or "Ocean Songs" did.) "Turbogold" by Moreland Audio. Atlanta-based math-rock. i know these guys, so .... it's pretty good. not the best math rock i have heard, but still pretty good. okay, that's what i've got. << I need to get a copy of Akatombo's "Trace Elements", >> waht's this? << but I've been thoroughly enjoying Four Tet's "Rounds", >> is this out yet? i haven't seen it yet. maybe it hasn't hit The States yet.... << the McLusky single (due out in the UK next week) "There Ain't No Fool In Ferguson". McLusky are rapidly ascending to the title of Most Sarcastic Band in the World, which suits me just fine. >> Most Sarcastic Band In The World. sounds interesting. any samples on the web? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:17:12 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock > Speaking of the Bunnymen here's a little quiz for you guys - and the one > that has almost nothing to do with them! I digged an old tape yesterday of a > band I couldn't remember what they sounded like and started playing it. On > the first listen I said "damned country rock". But on the second play I was > striken by the similarity between the singer's voice and that of Ian > McCullough (sp?), though it could be just me. As a hint - it's an American > band, the band name is about two colo[u]rs and they cover a classic folk > tune. Who will be the pretender for the anorak this time? Green on Red? Gas Food Lodging? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:46:22 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock My guess would be Green On Red too. Chris NP Muse - Bliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:06:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock > My guess would be Green On Red too. > Chris I read this before I knew what the question was. My money was on the question being what do you think is the worst band name ever. Keith PS I rate Disintegration too. NP Sigus ros - ( ) (God I love this album. It contains some of the most beautiful pieces of music I've heard) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:09:05 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock In a message dated 22/05/2003 20:06:57 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > NP Sigus ros - ( ) (God I love this album. It contains some of the most > beautiful pieces of music I've heard) > > Not heard it yet but hope to soon. Chris NP The Mad Capsule Markets - Fly High -Interesting ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:14:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock >> My guess would be Green On Red too. > I read this before I knew what the question was. My money was on the > question being what do you think is the worst band name ever. Reversed that would be: Red, red against green... Red, red against green... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:59:52 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt Now don't forget that OGWT is on tonight not tomorrow. Yes, I too forgot to tape the Go4 appearance. But what did they have on the Whistle Test in 1982? Bauhaus? Haircut 100? Blue Rondo a la Turk? Chron Gen? John http://www.surf.to/ambition _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:48:14 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw (can we start > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > Obligatory Pop Song Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least representative. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Bart wrote.... Brings to mind Pythons' radio play The Death of Mary Queen of Scots. A knight knocks on the door and asks, 3Are you Mary Queen of Scots?2 Sheanswers: "Yes" (sounds of thumping and knocking). The second act is,3I think she9s dead.2 3No, I9m not,2 she meekly replies, followed by moreknocking and thumping.Brrt 9By6 7the0 3numbers2,9 eh8 7Bart5 9?2 1Ari2.......... btw Miles,still getting everything at this address........... The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued/gilbert/lewis....... Gilbert AND Lewis were on track 3(Time again for the golden sunset) and track 9(The river flows east in spring) Ari Hey Miles,I'm still getting email at THIS address..............Ari threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com P J Kane wrote: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:03:37 GMT To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued From: P J Kane hello all. thanks for that site with all of the Wire album covers. i was interested to notice The The's _Burning Blue Soul_ listed. i see at AllMusic that B Gilbert is credited with production/guitar/piano. does anyone know what tunes he worked on from that disc? much obliged. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.3 > No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a great > #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the Door as > #3? ............... Disagree Bart,I think Faith was their best,boy I wish they were still around,anyone know what Roberts doing these daze? Hey Miles...etc.etc. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock Bart van Damme wrote: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:14:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: damned country rock From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news >> My guess would be Green On Red too. > I read this before I knew what the question was. My money was on the > question being what do you think is the worst band name ever. Reversed that would be: Red, red against green... Red, red against green... Bart Damme Bart you're funny (hey M...ah forget it!)Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music Ian B wrote: From: "Ian B" To: "Andrew Walkingshaw" , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:48:14 +0100 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw (can we start > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > Obligatory Pop Song Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least representative. ............... Agreed,In the art of stopping should be 'the single' Ari (hey) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:51:32 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music > (can we start > > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > > Obligatory Pop Song > > Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least > representative. It wouldn't be my choice as a single (The Art of Stopping or Comet would be), but I LOVE Being Watched. Been playing it loads - I love the way it, well, throbs I suppose. Andrew asked what (else) we were listening to.... Televise - Calla have already been mentioned here and thee favorbale mentions were what persuaded me to purchase. Seriously impressed. Phoenix - The Warlocks. Really derivative admittedly, but there's traces of loads of people I really like - The Stooges, Wire (Pink Flag-like riff), Loop, Happy Mondays - and that's just the first two tracks! Fever to Tell - YYY's There's been some dissenting voices here, but I like it, esp. the single and the closing few tracks. Elephant - White Stripes Esp. the lengthy Hendrix-like Ball & Biscuit, and - even better - The Hardest Button to Button. Think Tank - Blur Not everyone's cup of tea here, but on initial listens I'm impressed. FWIW I think it's their best album since Modern Life is Rubbish. Supper - Smog Go Native (single) - Appliance and one from last year that I've bought in recent months... Neon Golden - The Notwist, which sounded pretty unremarkable on initial plays, but which I think is EXCELLENT. Like Tarwater playing 3 minute pop songs. And they probably kept the best track till last (Consequence is fab!). Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:55:12 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: ogwt 1982 My favourites of this 1982 evening Japan, King Crimson, Soft Cell, Bauhaus and maybe Ry Cooder. What happened to Bauhaus? They supposed to be so art-rock like. They tried to restart a little years ago, but... have no idea. Perhaps Marilyn Manson were big fans of them. Now don't forget that OGWT is on tonight not tomorrow. Yes, I too > forgot to tape the Go4 appearance. But what did they have on the > Whistle Test in 1982? Bauhaus? Haircut 100? Blue Rondo a la Turk? > Chron Gen? > > John > > http://www.surf.to/ambition > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:21:50 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Personalised Wire Stamps >I know canada had a program for this for a while. >>Are their more countries with these possibilities? > Australia does these as well. Perhaps (as the philatilests would say we could do an omnibus issue!!). This email is a test as I've ditched hotmail for yahoo to see if I can get #*%@ing paragraph breaks to get through in my posts. Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:20:45 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.3 >> No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a >great >> #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the >Door as >> #3? >............... >Disagree Bart,I think Faith was their best,boy I wish they were still around,anyone know what Roberts doing these daze? from a cure news page -- The Cure have signed a 3 record deal with I Am Recordings/Artistdirect. Recording is currently scheduled to start in July 2003, with Ross Robinson producing. No release date has been set, but don't expect it before late 2003 or early 2004. Trilogy DVD/Video - The Cure will be releasing a 2 disc dvd (and video) of their Trilogy shows in Berlin last year. Release date is June 2nd/3rd, 2003 in Europe & North America, June 15th in South America and July 21st in Australia. (set lists consist of the entirety of pornography, disintegration & bloodflowers, with a few others thrown in.) for my money (& god knows i've almost certainly spent more on the cure than any other band, considering the high price of bootlegs), their best albums go something like this -- 1) pornography 2) 17 seconds 3) head on the door 4) 3 imaginary boys 5) the top very much subject to change, of course. 3 or so years ago, i wouldn't have rated pornography at all. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:28:42 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.4 1.Pornography (Remember Riverside Tv Show & the dancers? - Excellent) 2.Faith 3.The Singles Anyone know of This Heat Video footage? Tim >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure pt. 1.3 >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:20:45 -0500 > > >> No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration is a > >great > >> #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me rates Head on the > >Door as > >> #3? > >............... > >Disagree Bart,I think Faith was their best,boy I wish they were still >around,anyone know what Roberts doing these daze? > >from a cure news page -- > >The Cure have signed a 3 record deal with I Am Recordings/Artistdirect. >Recording is currently scheduled to start in July 2003, with Ross Robinson >producing. No release date has been set, but don't expect it before late >2003 or early 2004. > >Trilogy DVD/Video - The Cure will be releasing a 2 disc dvd (and video) of >their Trilogy shows in Berlin last year. Release date is June 2nd/3rd, 2003 >in Europe & North America, June 15th in South America and July 21st in >Australia. (set lists consist of the entirety of pornography, >disintegration >& bloodflowers, with a few others thrown in.) > >for my money (& god knows i've almost certainly spent more on the cure than >any other band, considering the high price of bootlegs), their best albums >go something like this -- > >1) pornography >2) 17 seconds >3) head on the door >4) 3 imaginary boys >5) the top > >very much subject to change, of course. 3 or so years ago, i wouldn't have >rated pornography at all. > >dan _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 2MB attachments (up to 100 percent more per e-mail). Go to http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/home&pgmarket=en-au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:57:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued oops, sorry ed. i meant to send this to the whole list... >In a message dated 5/21/03 10:27:05 PM, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > >>http://patrick.op.het.net.je/wire/images.html > >hey that's cool. i've never seen that page. what i was actually trying >to suggest was that anyone who wants to create a cover for the metro live >cd, do so and post it for others to download. then, if anyone wanted to >take all or some of the images and create a mix n match cd cover, voila! - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:04:06 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bart wrote.... > 9By6 7the0 3numbers2,9 eh8 7Bart5 9?2 > 1Ari2.......... I could of course pass it as a Peter Greenaway thing, but this just happens when you use the wrong quotation marks. Or maybe it's a PC<->MAC thing... when i send it, it looked allright. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:36:19 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cure for the Cure >> No, it isn't :) Boys Don't Cry is better. Though Disintegration >> is a great #2 album from a great #1 band. Anyone else but me >> rates Head on the Door as #3? Ari: > Disagree Bart,I think Faith was their best,boy I wish they were > still around,anyone know what Roberts doing these daze? > Hey Miles...etc.etc. The above was Syarzhuk's opinion Ari, mine was: > All as best album recorded EVER? > Jees, they don't even make it to my top 250! Which I'm sure you wouldn't agree with either and which reflected on: > NP: The Cure - Disintegration (damn if this isn't the best album > ever recorded) If I had to choose I'd pick both Disintegration & Head on the Door. Last time I saw Robert Smith was on BBC's Later-with-Jools last year (or the one before). Wasn't great, but I've seen worse. I liked the Cure a lot in the 80's, but these days I hardly play them anymore. FunBart3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:51:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Single, OK? > the "release Being Watched as a single" campaign now? It's the album's > Obligatory Pop Song > Ugh, hope not! It's the weakest track on the album, and possibly least > representative. > Agreed,In the art of stopping should be 'the single' Ari Definitely COMET! It just has that anthemic quality. Could make a "Song 2" for a new generation. In my mind I've seen the video a million times. Weird new political Manga intertwined with flashy-lights live bits. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:00:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Other new music > Think Tank - Blur > Not everyone's cup of tea here, but on initial listens I'm impressed. FWIW I > think it's their best album since Modern Life is Rubbish. Was it you Keith, who told us you couldn't play a copy-controlled Think Tank on your cd-player, and if so, has this fact anything to do with your appreciation of the above? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #149 *******************************