From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #147 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] [OT] wecomeinpeace [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Fw: The Glaswegian Rhapsody ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Later [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Later ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Later [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OGWT/copy-control [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Later ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] [OT] SNEAK PREVIEW: Guided By Voices' new album [Bart van Dam] RE: [idealcopy] Later ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT ["sean bowen" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re The Sound / The late Adrian Borland ["White Derek" ] Re: [idealcopy] Later [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT ["Magnetic North" ] Re: [idealcopy] Later [Miles Goosens ] FW: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Great Metro Shows (Chicago) (formerly DeRogatis) [RLynn9@] RE: [idealcopy] Later [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Later [Tisbili@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued It's easy enough to make yer own....I used one Bart sent me .....if we all make our own we'll all have a 'unique' designed c.d cover.migh fetch thousands on ebay,who knows someone might cut it up into little pieces and sell it for millions..............Ari Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:19:15 EDT Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND To: idealcopy@smoe.org In a message dated 5/16/03 8:35:33 PM, scott@kellock42.freeserve.co.uk writes: > >F**K me this is the Best Punk album for 20 odd f**king years and he's on >about >the packaging and decor. if i didn't judge records by their covers, i'd have missed out on a lot of great stuff. i love the send cover too, and i agree with andrew and some of the other copyists that the live disc needs a cover. - -paul (oh yeah, the music is great too) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:18:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] wecomeinpeace http://wecomeinpeace.free.fr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:56:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: The Glaswegian Rhapsody BlankThe Glaswegian Rhapsody=20 (sung to Queen-Bohemian Rhapsody)=20 Is this the real life, is it the methadone?=20 Stuck in the gorbals, two bob fur a telphone?=20 Open yer wine an' talk wi' a whine like meeeee....=20 Am just a weeji, gies us yer Sunny D.=20 Coz I'll chib yer pal,rip yer Da;=20 Slash yer dug,ride yer Maw!=20 Anyway the clyde flows,=20 Disnae really matter to me....to meeeeee...=20 Haw Maw,ive just chibbed some bam,=20 Buckie bottle to the heid,=20 Noo the **** b@star@s deid!=20 Haw Mawe, um just on parole,=20 And noo I'm heading back tae Barlineeeee....=20 Haw Maw, ooh ooh-ooh ohh,=20 Never meant to steal yer purse,=20 But if I'm no fu' o smack this time the morro;=20 Kerry oot, Kerry ooot!!=20 An we'll go oot oan the banter!=20 Too late, the bailiff's here,=20 Sends shivers down ma spine,=20 Gubbed 10 jellies just in time.=20 Goodbye all ma muckers, I've got tae go,=20 Got to go and rip some w@nk fae up the scheme.=20 Haw Maw, ooh ohh-ooh ooh=20 I'm such a jakey bam, I sometimes think I've never been washed at all... = I see a little silhouetto of a bam,=20 Aadidas!! Adidas! Can ye get a kergo?=20 Thunderbird, White Lightning, very very frigh'tning to me!=20 Twenty Mayfair, (twenty mayfair)=20 Twenty Mayfair, (twenty mayfair)=20 Twenty Mayfair an some skins,=20 Magnifico oh oh oh oh!=20 Im just a fat boy, naebody loves me,=20 He's just a fat boy fae a fat family!=20 Spare us a pound fur a wee cup o tea?=20 Get tae fcuk, slanky slob,wil ye get a job?=20 For fcuksake, No! I will no' get a job!-Get a job!=20 For fcuksake, I will no' get a job!-Get a job!=20 For fcuksake, Will you get a job!-Get a job!=20 Will no' get a job, get a job!=20 Will no' get a job, get a job! No,no,no,no,no,no....=20 Oh gonorrheoa! gonorrhoea!=20 Gonorrhoea and the clap!=20 Then doon the pub, has the barman put aside for me?=20 For me,for me, for meeeee!?=20 So you 'hink ye can slash on me and pish in my eye?=20 So you 'hink ye can chib me an' leave me to die?=20 Haw b@wbag, can't dae this to me b@wbag!=20 Just wait till I'm oot, wait till I'm right oot ma nut!=20 Fcuk all really matters; any one can see,=20 Fcuk alll rally matters, fcuk all really matters tae me! [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Blank Bkgrd.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:39:38 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Later > Also half expected the Kings of Leon bassist to tell Jools he sho' had a > purdy mouth. Let's leave Joanna Lumley out of this! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:39:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later > i've heard goldfrapp, but who are the other two? RAH Band - terrible UK pop-disco outfit from late 70s/early 80s made up of session musicians pretending to be a hip NY funk band. RAH were the initials of the main man from what I can remember. Noosha Fox - 'interesting' singer with Fox, slightly quirky post-glam band not without merit. Goldfrapp lookalike (obviously)! Both grazed the UK charts for long enough to stick in our minds though! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:47:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later > RAH Band - terrible UK pop-disco outfit from late 70s/early 80s made up of > session musicians pretending to be a hip NY funk band. RAH were the initials > of the main man from what I can remember. You don't like The Crunch !!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:50:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later In a message dated 5/20/2003 2:47:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >>> RAH Band - terrible UK pop-disco outfit from late 70s/early 80s made up > of > > session musicians pretending to be a hip NY funk band. RAH were the > initials > > of the main man from what I can remember. > > You don't like The Crunch !!!<< I was thinking more of Clouds across the moon! Aaargghh!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:52:32 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OGWT/copy-control > The bastards! I was annoyed I couldn't rip it to my iPod, but never > noticed a sticker... hadn't even occurred to me that a smaller band like > Calexico might receive that treatment. I thought it was just a fluke. I stopped reading at "ipod" and went into an envious delirium. ;-) But, do you think the band had anything to say about the copy-control, or was it their record company? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:23:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later > > You don't like The Crunch !!!<< > > I was thinking more of Clouds across the moon! > > Aaargghh!!! Yes. I do seem to recall that being pretty grim ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:58:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] SNEAK PREVIEW: Guided By Voices' new album SNEAK PREVIEW: I'll Replace You With Machines MP3 from the upcoming Guided By Voices album Earthquake Glue due out August 19th on Matador Records http://www.gbv.com/illreplaceyouwithmachinespreview.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:16:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Later I doubt that I've thought of Noosha Fox in 20 years but it's a fabulously apposite comparison - well done that Ian! How can anyone think The Vines are are any good on this evidence? For those who didn't see it, the singer threw himself around the floor, demolished the drums etc in time-honoured rawk fashion. Unfortunately this being Later, you have to come back 20 minutes later and do another song, so you basically turn it on again, which is rather beside the point. Jools lapping it up was hideous to watch. I'd have been more impressed if they had barged in while McKay or Goldfrapp was playing and shut them up. Or fought Lou - that would have been fun. Thanks for the elucidation on the CD problem, although I'm still not clear on the whole story, especially with Paul P suggesting that copy protection may not be used anymore! Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 20 May 2003 00:07 To: MarkBursa@aol.com; ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later > > >>I've never heard Goldfrapp before but they came across like the RAH Band > > fronted by a Noosha Fox lookalike the other night.<< > > Brilliant! Been trying to work out what they reminded me of all day... Perhaps that's why I liked 'em! > And weren't the Vines just plain embarrasing. Didn't see the whole show, but from what I did... Embarrassing doesn't them justice. One number was one of the worst performances I've ever seen. I can only think that the singer was trying to his version of Kurt Cobain crooning Teen Spirit on TOTP. And failed badly. > Lou Reed's deadpan comment: > "He'll be good if he lives long enough." Wasn't eactly blown way with Lou, mind. The Raven is the 1st Lou album I've not bought in a long, long time, and his performance the other night did nothing to inspire me to buy it. And the BBC version of Perfect Day was better than that one. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:07:39 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT Einsturzende wrote : "What strucks me the most was the expression on his face. He wanted probably the audience to show his saying-power (Don't know if this is good english) so much. Maybe you are right that this song, Sense of Purpose Again, was not let's say sonic the best. But look at his performance. Wow. I did like it." - - Well, I thought they looked brilliant, so if "Sense of Purpose" was not them at their best, I'd like to have seen them at their best. I heard a rumour that Borland took his own life recently. Can any of you confirm this ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:00:41 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re The Sound / The late Adrian Borland >- Well, I thought they looked brilliant, so if "Sense of Purpose" was not >them at their best, I'd like to have seen them at their best. Me too! >I heard a rumour that Borland took his own life recently. Can any of you >confirm this ? Looking at their label's website (www.renascent.com:- thanks to Mark B 4 the link), it does seem that Adrian Borland is no longer with us (It carries an interveiw conducted *'shortly before Adrian's death'*) This was news to me also, but I don't know the circumstances. Anyone else? _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:26:11 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT Indeed Adrian choose for the other side, by jumping in front of a train about three or four years ago. He was suffering for depressions and could not stand anymore probably. > "What strucks me the most was the expression on his face. He wanted probably > the audience to show his saying-power (Don't know if this is good > english) so much. Maybe you are right that this song, Sense of > Purpose Again, was not let's say sonic the best. But look at his > performance. Wow. I did like it." > > - Well, I thought they looked brilliant, so if "Sense of Purpose" > was not them at their best, I'd like to have seen them at their > best. I heard a rumour that Borland took his own life recently. Can > any of you confirm this ? Jan J Noorda - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:30:55 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later In a message dated 20/05/2003 14:40:16 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Noosha Fox - 'interesting' singer with Fox, slightly quirky post-glam band > not without merit. Goldfrapp lookalike (obviously)! > > Both grazed the UK charts for long enough to stick in our minds though! > > Mark > Hey I remember that I think.All I want is a single bed or some such drivel.Nearly 30 years ago I would imagine. Chris NP.Appliance - Imperial Metric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:41:06 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT In a message dated 20/05/2003 20:07:10 GMT Daylight Time, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: > I heard a rumour that Borland took his own life recently. Can any of you > confirm this ? > Indeed this is true.I think I mentioned sometime before that I have a 7" by The Outsiders which features a young teenage Adrian Borland in the punk 77 vein.Pretty good single too.Consequences being the best track on it.Really liked The Sound & sorry to hear of his death. NP Plaid - Trainer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:45:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later > > Noosha Fox - 'interesting' singer with Fox, slightly quirky post-glam band > > not without merit. Goldfrapp lookalike (obviously) > Hey I remember that I think.All I want is a single bed or some such > drivel. > Chris I think you mean a S-S-S-Single Bed, Chris! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:49:25 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later In a message dated 20/05/2003 21:45:21 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > I think you mean a S-S-S-Single Bed, Chris! > That's the one ! Yes indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:11:18 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Re The Sound on OGWT There is site dedicated to him. http://www.brittleheaven.com/ I have to say he was struggling against hearing voices in his head. > Indeed Adrian choose for the other side, by jumping in front of a > train about three or four years ago. He was suffering for > depressions and could not stand anymore probably. > > > "What strucks me the most was the expression on his face. He wanted probably > > the audience to show his saying-power (Don't know if this is good > > english) so much. Maybe you are right that this song, Sense of > > Purpose Again, was not let's say sonic the best. But look at his > > performance. Wow. I did like it." > > > > - Well, I thought they looked brilliant, so if "Sense of Purpose" > > was not them at their best, I'd like to have seen them at their > > best. I heard a rumour that Borland took his own life recently. Can > > any of you confirm this ? > > Jan J Noorda > > -------- > Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:03:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re The Sound / The late Adrian Borland > This was news to me also, but I don't know the circumstances. Anyone else? > Borland site.. http://www.brittleheaven.com/ Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued Bart van Damme wrote: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:42:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued From: Bart van Damme To: Ari Britt > It's easy enough to make yer own....I used one Bart sent me Tell me you didn't! ;-) o.k I didn't (I did I did)......wacha gonna doo about it then aye? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:39:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later At 09:39 AM 5/20/2003 -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >> i've heard goldfrapp, but who are the other two? > >RAH Band - terrible UK pop-disco outfit from late 70s/early 80s made up of >session musicians pretending to be a hip NY funk band. RAH were the initials >of the main man from what I can remember. > >Noosha Fox - 'interesting' singer with Fox, slightly quirky post-glam band >not without merit. Goldfrapp lookalike (obviously)! > >Both grazed the UK charts for long enough to stick in our minds though! Thank God you explained it. Ignorant Yank that I am, I was trying to figure out how to add a "U.S. English subtitle/annotation" feature to the list software so I could follow along. :-) I was at the point where I was wondering if "Noosha Fox" was some bizarre U.K. tabloid variant of "Samantha Fox."* later, Miles *I've heard that she's such a wild dame. Hey, but what's in a name? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:07:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: FW: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued >> Tell me you didn't! ;-) > o.k I didn't (I did I did)......wacha gonna doo about it then aye? I'm gonna come over and punch you right in the nose! ;-) B. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:17:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Great Metro Shows (Chicago) (formerly DeRogatis) In a message dated 5/18/03 4:33:43 PM Central Daylight Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: > 6 Moby, Aphex Twin, and Orbital, 1993: > Three of the most important acts in electronic music sharing the > stage on one bill. > > THIS was one hell of a night! i was at this show and i loved every bit of it...Ultramarine was also on the bill and came across as some sort quirky pastoral folk electronic group and played their particular brand of bouncy ambient techno to perfection..Meat Beat Manifesto, who were also on the bill, rocked the fucking house! especially with "Now!" "Radio- Babylon" and "Psyche-Out" ....i wasn't too keen on Moby anymore but he still put on an energetic show, "Go" still able to move asses quite naturally..Orbital was quite improvisational which was wonderful, their set had a certain looseness which seemed to be the order of the night...no rigid programming here..the Hartnoll Brothers were actually playing their keyboards and switching gears constantly, "Chime" was around 15 minutes of pure bliss..and Aphex Twin put on one of the finest performances that i have ever heard..equal parts swirling ambience and thunderous rumblings of analogue heaven...most of his set was an unrecognizable amoeba of sound (i.e. no "hits") but worked perfectly well to these young ears..and no slabs of sandpaper on the decks either! i still have a t-shirt somewhere! Robert np - Solvent "Solvently One Listens" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:19:19 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Later >Thanks for the elucidation on the CD problem, although I'm still not >clear on the whole story, especially with Paul P suggesting that copy >protection may not be used anymore! > Oh no - CD copy protection is still being used. I think they're just no longer using the "ink pen" easily defeatable kind. That's all. (^_^) There's some excellent info here about the new, more exotic kinds of CD copy protection: http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/docs/ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:59:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND.....continued In a message dated 5/20/03 6:01:14 AM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: >It's easy enough to make yer own....I used one Bart sent me .....if we >all make our own we'll all have a 'unique' designed c.d cover. yeah. i could definitely make my own. i just meant that it "needed" a cover, as in it should've come with one, even a simple one. but anyway...you've given me an idea ari! maybe there's enough room for any who's interested to upload a jpeg of "their cover" to idealcopy at yahoo? then we can all download em and paste together whatever kinda cover we want, like tilework or an exquisite corpse or some other kinda collage. i think that'd be cool. miles? - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:31:42 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later I've heard that she's such a wild dame. Hey, but what's in a name? Ask Miles Goosens. (sounds like a recap of a pre-music career Samantha Fox movie, dunnit? Not that I'd know anything about that personally...) tBe (who has seen some "music" videos of SFox in which her sweater muffins feature prominently) |||||||||||||||| rp: Amon Tobin, Nick Drake, Clash, Dinbot's Wiritney mix ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #147 *******************************