From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #145 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, May 19 2003 Volume 06 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie/Ollie ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Wire cannot climb charts anymore ["Magnetic North" ] [idealcopy] Wire at the GAMH ["Paul Ye" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on Snub [Anthony Chapman ] [none] [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] Outdoor Cat On His Side ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] I Offered a Bottle Opener to Mick Turner ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Graeme wrote....... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] shoulda wrote. [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] DeRogatis [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] oh dear....... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re:Wire mag [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Fwd: [idealcopy] Re:Wire mag [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Ari's new yahoo address....... [Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie/Ollie Well, I'm a bit of a fan of Et Exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum myself - - saw it at the Proms once and the last five minutes blew me away - crashing wind and percussion conjuring up, I think, the Day of Judgement. Took me a while to recover from that one. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 17 May 2003 18:05 To: wire-news Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie/Ollie > Olivier Messaien : Visions de l'amen Surely one of Messiaen's finest works, perhaps only surpassed by his Quator Pour Le Fin Du Temps. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:15:43 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes Well, there's nothing really strange about us Brits regarding de Caunes as the archetypal Frenchman as this was the part he chose to play on Rapido and Eurotrash. I always found his performance a hindrance to enjoyment of Rapido personally. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 17 May 2003 18:16 To: wire-news Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes > Agree (as I'm sure most UK - and Dutch? - listers who saw it would) that > Snub TV was the finest UK Music TV programme certainly from a music > content pov (OK, Top of the Pops has had its moments but its had 40 > years to do it instead of 3). I have fond memories of Rapido (late 80's), though this may have to do something with it's great presenter Antoine de Caunes. I believe he has become something of an actor now: http://www.mk2.com/aucoeurdumensonge/a_filmodecaunes.htm "Boobs, bums and willies have been the stock in trade of Antoine de Caunes, who strangely is the British idea of the archetypal Frenchman. Yet there's much more to him than his seeming Eurotrash preoccupation with lavatorial humour would suggest." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:10:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > finally watched this last night. GO4 excellent.....but the fade , oh dear. > > mr borland was a bit of a fan of ian mccullough now , wasn't he :-) p I was a big Bunnyfan circa 79-81 and like most of their other stuff too, but I prefer The Sound to be honest. They're more like JD IMO though. Keith NP Smog - supper ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:09:41 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Snub omission... - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian s jackson Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. > > ...including Pere Ubu (plus interview with David Thomas...), just had to > throw that one in there... > > ian.s.j. And AC Marias. Twice! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:26:31 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT In a message dated 5/18/03 12:10:26 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > I was a big Bunnyfan circa 79-81 and like most of their other stuff too, but > I prefer The Sound to be honest. They're more like JD IMO though. > //////i liked the bunnymen but must say i always saw the likes of the sound/comsats/chameleons as real "bunnymen-lite" and never really bothered with them much. i thought borlands vocals on that ogwt performance bordered on karaoke mccullough to be honest. but i'm not claiming to have heard much more than the singles. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 05:52:43 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire cannot climb charts anymore Fantastic news to them. Wire is at no. 1 at the Dutch Murder-charts. Compiled by radio-men, journalist and other criticasters. http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/journalism/index.shtml? 2534202+2584688+2584508+12066299 This is very good start for the broader audience at the Low Nether-lands. or is it to far away First Tombola 2009 festival in Amsterdam the 29th. It will be crowded at the Paradiso I suppose. What to expect now. MTV-Netherlands, or the BOX tv? JANJ - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 06:05:51 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > > I was a big Bunnyfan circa 79-81 and like most of their other stuff too, but > > I prefer The Sound to be honest. They're more like JD IMO though. > > > > //////i liked the bunnymen but must say i always saw the likes of > the sound/comsats/chameleons as real "bunnymen-lite" and never > really bothered with them much. i thought borlands vocals on that > ogwt performance bordered on karaoke mccullough to be honest. but > i'm not claiming to have heard much more than the singles. p What strucks me the most was the expression on his face. He wanted probably the audience to show his saying-power (Don't know if this is good english) so much. Maybe you are right that this song, Sense of Purpose Again, was not let's say sonic the best. But look at his performance. Wow. I did like it. - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:10:45 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009 On Ascension Day De Konkurrent, promotor/distributor a.o. of alternative music in the Netherlands, organized a festival called Tombola 2009 with the following news about it. This is mentioned on De Konkurrent site http://www.konkurrent.nl/nieuwsdex.html The Paradiso has two stage-rooms. A Big One and a smaller one upstairs And the doors are open about 7.00 This will probably the line-up of the festival BIG ROOM Aerogrammmme Eastern Lane WIRE Hidden Cameras SMALL ROOM upstairs Adam Green Sleepy Jackson Seedling Hanin Elias (ex-Atari Teenage Riot) SINGER/SONGWRITERSET, somewhere Alasdair Roberts (Appendix Out) Aaron Richies (Royal Citie) and suspended A.R.E. Weapons (It nearly happened, Bill Hick is not sad about it) p.s. Mogwai is playing at the Melkweg. that's not far from Paradiso Hopefully this will be again one of the legendary performances at the PAradiso, like in former days Joy Division, Swans, Bad Brains, Meat Beat Manifesto, Nick Cave, Janj - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:11:42 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on Snub Wire on 'Snub' in 1989 was a wonderful piece of television and a rare highlight of UK mainstream TV music coverage in the '80s. The snippets from the videos for both "Eardrum Buzz" and "Kidney Bingos" were brilliant, and the interview clips were as enlightening as Wire could ever be. I found it amusing that the preceding voice-over said "Snub managed the quite considerable feat of assembling all four members together at one sitting", but Gotobed doesn't say a single word ! I suspect they just edited out his contributions from the full version just to make it look like he was completely silent. I also remember from around that time, a late-night Tony Wilson late-night arts programme which featured AC Marias doing "Just Talk" with Gilbert on guitar. He sat bent over the instrument in intense Bob Fripp-like concentration, as he played the same 3-chord riff throughout the song. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:19:51 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire at the GAMH >Talking of San Francisco, is anyone on the list going >to the gig in June? > >Norm I am sending in my fax order on Monday for three out of SLC, two of which are listees. I think Robert Cambra would also be attending(?) I am sure there will be a gathering of sorts somewhere to warm up for the show, but I will be relying on others to say where as I have never been to San Fran. Keep in touch Norm. Paulye _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:04:11 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on Snub In message <000701c31d58$2c8d6f60$85c5e150@oemcomputer>, sean bowen writes >I also remember from around that time, a late-night Tony Wilson >late-night arts programme which featured AC Marias doing "Just Talk" >with Gilbert on guitar. He sat bent over the instrument in intense Bob >Fripp-like concentration, as he played the same 3-chord riff throughout >the song. IIRC AC Marias also featured on Snub TV, although it may just have been a video. - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Tombola 2009 The Paradiso has two stage-rooms. A Big One and a smaller one upstairs And the doors are open about 7.00 This will probably the line-up of the festival BIG ROOM Aerogrammmme Eastern Lane WIRE Hidden Cameras SMALL ROOM upstairs Adam Green Sleepy Jackson Seedling Hanin Elias (ex-Atari Teenage Riot) SINGER/SONGWRITERSET, somewhere Alasdair Roberts (Appendix Out) Aaron Richies (Royal Citie) and suspended A.R.E. Weapons (It nearly happened, Bill Hick is not sad about it) p.s. Mogwai is playing at the Melkweg. that's not far from Paradiso Hopefully this will be again one of the legendary performances at the PAradiso, like in former days Joy Division, Swans, Bad Brains, Meat Beat Manifesto, Nick Cave, Darn Jan,makes me wish I still lived in Amsterdam..............Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:12:15 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [none] A hilarious video from Fox's The Late Show with Joan Rivers was shown on which Wire appeared during the '80s. Wire performed the song Drill and was then interviewed by the guest host, Suzanne Sommers, who obviously had no idea who they were. ..... http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/live_reviews/0200_uk_rfh_pp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:12:56 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Outdoor Cat On His Side Fergus rejoindered (more of it?) >>Subject: [idealcopy] Wire synchronicity # 112 Wire synchronicity # 112 Whilst taking the bus up to Stansted airport on the way home, I was just thinking about the drums on Comet, and how Robert doesn't replicate the 'double figure' (can't think of a better ,or, more musical expression) on the bass drum live. Then I glanced out the window,and we whizzed past a pub called The Comet... A little later I was ruminating about turning 40 next year. I looked out The Other Window just as we flew past a 40 sign, real split second stuff. Fergus ---------------- This kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME! The more it happens the more you are going in the right direction. The one that happeneed the day before Pink Flag at Hoxton On the Rocks which made me laugh a lot was the wooden cat on my speaker falling off onto the floor and lying on his side... Of course I was playing Outdoor Miner VERY LOUD Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:16:13 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] I Offered a Bottle Opener to Mick Turner I've just done almost a fortnight of solid gigging! 5 Philip Jeck + Disco Operating System + Unplugboy / St Philips Church, Salford 6 L'Altra + Berg Sans Nipple / Tmesis, Manchester 7 Noxagt + Bilge Pump + Mild Man Jan + Q-Car / Retrobar, Manchester 8 Steve Wynn + Chris Cacavas / Tmesis, Manchester 9 Evan Dando w/Chris Brokaw / Uni, Manchester 10 Black Dice + David Grubbs + Semiconductor + Animal Collective + Crescent / Gardner Arts Centre, Brighton 11 Dirty 3 + Clogs / Gardner Arts Centre, Brighton 12 Calla / Water Rats, London 13 Joan of Arc + Owen + Polaris / Star & Garter, Manchester 14 Dirty 3 + Mr Cardboard Box Man / Leicester, Phoenix Art Centre 15 Dirty 3 + Mr Cardboard Box Man + Deer Park / Leeds, Brudenell Social Club 16 Noxagt + Zu + I'm Being Good / London Spitz 17 Dirty 3 + Adem / London Barfly The last of these gigs (Dirty 3) is being broadcast by John Kennedy on XFM on Monday evening. If anyone in London could record it I would love a copy! Anyone going to the Primavera festival in Barcelona? What a great line up, even if it looks as if WIRE and Sonic Youth will be playing two clashing finales!!! Trumans Water back in Manc June 5th Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Dirty Three - She Has No Strings Apollo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:22:29 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Late Show w/Joan Rivers > A hilarious video from Fox's The Late Show with Joan Rivers was shown > on which Wire appeared during the '80s. Wire performed the song Drill > and was then interviewed by the guest host, Suzanne Sommers, who > obviously had no idea who they were. ..... > Hmmm... that writing looks familiar.... Oh yeah - I wrote that! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Ex-Lion Tamer... ... Jim DeRogatis reviewed Chicago's Metro and Pink Flag today: http://www.suntimes.com/output/derogatis/sho-sunday-metro18.html http://www.suntimes.com/output/derogatis/sho-sunday-dero18.html Regards, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:10:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Bo Krogsgaard Subject: [idealcopy] Send review from Exclaim! Found this review in a Canadian music magazine. Dunno if it is available elsewhere, but here goes: WIRE Send With this first full-length release in 13 years, first-generation UK art-punks Wire somehow manage to touch on elements of past glories while dishing out fresh, high-energy sonic goods that sound typically ahead of their time. With the debatable exception of "You Can't Leave Now", Send thumps, whirs and smashes along with the intensity of a fleet of Ministry-assembled hotrods. Three of these 11 tracks were originally released on Wire's 2002 mini-album, Read & Burn -- 01, while four others arrive from the mail-order-only follow-up EP, Read & Burn -- 02. The balance of material is brand new. As a reward, fans who purchase Send via the band's web site bonus out with an exclusive live CD recorded last year in Chicago. (Pinkflag, www.pinkflag.com) - -- Chuck Molgat (Exclaim!, May 2003) b ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Graeme wrote....... 15 Dirty 3 + Mr Cardboard Box Man + Deer Park / Leeds, Brudenell Social Club 16 Noxagt + Zu + I'm Being Good / London Spitz 17 Dirty 3 + Adem / London Barfly The last of these gigs (Dirty 3) is being broadcast by John Kennedy on XFM on Monday evening. If anyone in London could record it I would love a copy! ................................ Me Too! Ari (anyone got any live Wilco off the radio?)hint hint........... n.p:Incredible Strig Band.......'U' The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] shoulda wrote. ...........incredible STRING band (hey,dyslexics are teople poo!) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:32:12 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] DeRogatis Here's a 3rd Ex-Lion Tamer article: "A critic's notebook of far too many nights at Metro" by Jim DeRogatis When I moved to Chicago in June 1990 to become the Sun-Times' pop music critic, I didn't know a soul in town. I went to an apartment search firm and gave the staffers one simple instruction: Find me a place within walking distance of Metro. I had first visited Chicago and Metro three years earlier, when I was the drummer in a band called the Ex-Lion Tamers that opened the first American tour by the legendary Engish art-punks Wire. The tour played 22 shows across the country and in Canada, selling out rooms such as the Ritz in New York, the 9:30 Club in Washington, D.C., and the Variety Arts Center in Los Angeles. As an unknown opener (and a cover band to boot), th Ex-Lion Tamers had a flimsy contract guaranteeing a mere $100 per show, plus a pizza for the four of us to split in the dressing room before performing. As the reluctant road manager, I had to argue vociferously with several club owners to collect our $100. Metro was the only club where the proprietor, Joe Shanahan, paid us more than the guarantee ($250), and treated us as well to an actual meal at a fine Italian restaurant. When I returned to the paper in 1997 after a two-year departure, the first show I reviewed was at Metro, and once again, I told the apartment searchers my one geographical demand. Having visited almost every major rock club in America, Metro remains one of my favorite places to see a show, thanks to the sound, the sightlines, and most of all it's welcoming vibe. I relate this to offer some insight into why so many musicians think so fondly of the place. (I'll also note that there have been plenty of times when Shanahan probably wished I choked on my spaghetti in 1987--say, whenever I panned a band that he had just booked for a big guarantee). But the biggest reason to celebrate Metro's anniversary is of course the music. Having heard Shanahan's 20 favorite concerts from the last 20 years, I had to compile a list of my own (in chronological order): 1 Wire and the Ex-Lion Tamers, 1987: Though it's hard to be objective about this one. 2 The Jesus Lizard, 1992: One of those electrifing shows where singer David Yow spent perhaps five minutes onstage and the rest surfing on the outstreched arms of his fans. 3 Urge Overkill, 1993: The record release party for "Saturation," which remains one of the best albums of the alternative era. Unfortunately, it was all downhill for the Urge from there. 4 The Smashing Pumpkins, 1993: Here's a show that Shanahan and I both recall, though for different reasons: Angered by one sentence I'd written in a long feature about the band, Billy Corgan launched into a spirited distribe that was subsequently captured on several bootlegs, memorializing me for posterity as "that fat f---ing critic from the Sun-Times!" 5 Prince, 1993: Prime Prince in a funky after hours jam that was a hundred times better than his actual performance at the Chicago Theatre earlier that night. 6 Moby, Aphex Twin, and Orbital, 1993: Three of the most important acts in electronic music sharing the stage on one bill. 7 Arrested Developement, 1994: An unforgettable evening of Afrocentric positivity. 8 The Flaming Lips, 1994: A free show that the band performed as a thank-you to Chicago fans who helped make "She Don't Use Jelly" a national hit on alternative-rock radio. 9 Material Issue, 1994: The late Jim Ellison never sang with more passion or conviction. 10 Hole and Veruca Salt, 1994: It was a riot, girls. 11 Stereolab, 1994: Ninety minutes of blissed-out, trance-inducing drone. 12 Tom Jones, 1995: One of two nights up close and personal with a living legend. 13 Bob Dylan, 1997: Even better than Tom Jones. 14 Spiritualize, 1997: Transcendent psychedelia that temporarily transformed Metro into the dark side of the moon. 15 Naked Raygun, 1997: I had seen Chicago's post-punk heroes when they toured and played Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ. They were even better when they reunited a decade later to play the club they always called home. 16 The Smoking Popes, 1997: After the Pumpkins, the Popes were the band that Shanahan worked with most closely, and they deserved to be stars on the same level. 17 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, 1998: One of the most intense evenings of live music I've ever experienced. 18 Cheap Trick, 1998: Rockford's (Illinois) finest played four shows durng which they performed their first four albums in their entirety. The best was the night they did "At Budokan". 19 Common, 1998: Another hometown hero caught in a moment of triumph, playing live with a big band for one of the first times. 20 The Flaming Lips, 2002: The latest in Metro's long line of memorable New Year's Eve shows, and the beginning of another in what Chicago music lovers hope will be many, many more years of revelry. From Chicago Sun-Times; May 18, 2002 (Showcase Section) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:18:48 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] oh dear....... WIRE VINYL- THE FINAL WORD 16 May 2003 Unbelievably this release has been dogged by more bad luck! Stocks arrived but in the wrong sleeves! This matter is being rectified as this is being posted (16th May) and we will be able to send out the final articles next week (22nd at the absolute latest but probably before then) Aplogies to all those who have waited. Colin Newman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:10:10 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Wire mag In a message dated 18/5/03 9:31:15 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << >Nurse With Wound : Salt Marie Celeste >Stapleton's on auto pilot (again!) Really expected better things, especially after >reading Jim Haynes' ecstatic review in The Wire. Though I should know better by now >than to trust the reviews in The Wire. (This should doubtless generate some response >from Robert L... :) wish that Wire mag would do the decent thing and introduce some sort of star/smiley face rating for albums. Just because they get them all for free dosen't mean we do, and I've shelled out for some SHITE too on their recommendation. Star ratings are good - they concentrate the minds of journos. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Re:Wire mag HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/5/03 9:31:15 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << >Nurse With Wound : Salt Marie Celeste >Stapleton's on auto pilot (again!) Really expected better things, especially after >reading Jim Haynes' ecstatic review in The Wire. Though I should know better by now >than to trust the reviews in The Wire. (This should doubtless generate some response >from Robert L... :) wish that Wire mag would do the decent thing and introduce some sort of star/smiley face rating for albums. Just because they get them all for free dosen't mean we do, and I've shelled out for some SHITE too on their recommendation. Star ratings are good - they concentrate the minds of journos. Howard. I have NEVER purchased ANYTHING to do with music on somebody elses recommendation. I make sure to check it out somehow first. how the f^%$%$& would any reviewer,no matter how upbeat his taste,possibly recommend something that I should go out and buy,even though my own taste is VERY diverse I can only be my own judge.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Ari's new yahoo address....... ..........tired of unsolicited mail I shall now be using threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com (and shall slowly stop using luvjazzz.) rock on Tommy................Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #145 *******************************