From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #144 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie/Ollie [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy]off topic: NWW/Wag Mag [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy]off topic: NWW/Wag Mag [RLynn9@aol.com] Fwd: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Oor Drumm Buzz ["Magnetic North" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso [Anthony Chapman ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes [Jeremy Stevens ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 05:09:14 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT Around '85 Whistle Test went Andy Kershaw/Womad/30Something tastefulmid80styleeeee so expect lots of Susanne Vega, 'World Music', friggin' REM and anything signed to Kitchenware records in the coming weeks....at best you get The Smiths if you're lucky. ////you're probably about right there. i'm really hoping for sudden sway (one of the few times anyone "weird" got near the studio in the kershaw era). i am not exactly optimistic here , i might add......... > > By rights when the series ends (87 I think) they should repeat the complete > series of BBC2's Snub TV who were right on the button and got almost > everything worth hearing from 87 to...1991??? > From memory: Wire....yes thats WIRE on TV!, KLF, Cabaret Voltaire, The > Fall, > ACR, Happy Mondays, Dinasour JR, Pixies, JAMC, Felt, Nirvana, My Bloody > Valentine, Spacemen 3, New Order, Butthole Surfers, The Sundays, Meat Beat > Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. > //////classic show. ain't gonna happen though. i see they're repeating "i love 1998" tonight......... > > > still, Not seen Gang of Four before, and I've only heard one track by > 'em...which was the one they played. They were fabulous! /////they did it twice , plus the tube at least once. suspect that's yer lot though. a decent tube compilation would be good , it wasn't all frankie and the eurythmics. Best thing I've > > seen on telly for ages...well not since John Fashanu did 1000 sit-ups for > no > reason whatsoever. ////always struck me as a horrible bloke. god knows how he nearly won a popularity contest? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:09:34 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT Agree (as I'm sure most UK - and Dutch? - listers who saw it would) that Snub TV was the finest UK Music TV programme certainly from a music content pov (OK, Top of the Pops has had its moments but its had 40 years to do it instead of 3). Go4 were truly wonderful - Andy Gill's extraordinary guitar and Jon King's bizarre dance style especially. What was interesting from this perspective for me was how of their time they sounded (that early 80s funk beat, like Spandau's Chant #1) but how they transcended it at the same time through sheer power. They were my favourite live band at the time and this reminded me why - they were always so muscular live, like a post punk Zeppelin. Really enjoyed The Sound too, after hearing so much about them here. They are a band I completely missed out on and I nearly did again - I went to the loo to escape some abomination from the archives and re-entered the room to find this impressive and - to me - anonymous band. And typically Whispering Bob declined to say who it was afterwards. So I'm glad I found out from here. Another the Keith (getting unfeasibly excited at the prospect of the Zeppelin DVD due out later this month - I didn't even know I wanted it until I read about it in Mojo) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 17 May 2003 10:09 To: tim@kidsindestructible.com; keith.astbury10@virgin.net; zak_blakk@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org; bartvandamme@home.nl Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > > By rights when the series ends (87 I think) they should repeat the complete > series of BBC2's Snub TV who were right on the button and got almost > everything worth hearing from 87 to...1991??? > From memory: Wire....yes thats WIRE on TV!, KLF, Cabaret Voltaire, The > Fall, > ACR, Happy Mondays, Dinasour JR, Pixies, JAMC, Felt, Nirvana, My Bloody > Valentine, Spacemen 3, New Order, Butthole Surfers, The Sundays, Meat Beat > Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. > //////classic show. ain't gonna happen though. i see they're repeating "i love 1998" tonight......... > > > still, Not seen Gang of Four before, and I've only heard one track by > 'em...which was the one they played. They were fabulous! /////they did it twice , plus the tube at least once. suspect that's yer lot though. a decent tube compilation would be good , it wasn't all frankie and the eurythmics. Best thing I've > > seen on telly for ages...well not since John Fashanu did 1000 sit-ups for > no > reason whatsoever. ////always struck me as a horrible bloke. god knows how he nearly won a popularity contest? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:09:35 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Snub omission... Tim wrote... >By rights when the series ends (87 I think) they should repeat the complete >series of BBC2's Snub TV who were right on the button and got almost >everything worth hearing from 87 to...1991??? >From memory: Wire....yes thats WIRE on TV!, KLF, Cabaret Voltaire, The >Fall, >ACR, Happy Mondays, Dinasour JR, Pixies, JAMC, Felt, Nirvana, My Bloody >Valentine, Spacemen 3, New Order, Butthole Surfers, The Sundays, Meat Beat >Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. ...including Pere Ubu (plus interview with David Thomas...), just had to throw that one in there... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:39:00 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blur to record new LP in Baghdad >I hope the Iraqis say "fuck off you patronising, desparate little >twat..you're not Brian Eno no matter how much you wish you were". Amen to that. Still, if he goes there, there's probably lots of U/E ordnance lying about.......... _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie Iggy plays Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of Charlie Manson on John Moran's "Manson Family: An Opera", which I highly recommend. http://www.deccaclassics.com/archive/www.pointmusic.com/moran.htm ///// I'd just like to chime in and say this is a really excellent album. Though Iggy only appears in two or three places (to the best of my memory), he's perfect. Deliciously chilling. Iggy's zenith for me was The Idiot... np - The Red Crayola : Soldier-Talk - -------------------------------------------------------------------- This week I have been mostly listening to : Olivier Messaien : Visions de l'amen Morton Feldman : Triadic Memories Eddie Prevost : Material Consequences Einsturzende Neubauten : Brussels 9-15-2000 Biggest dissappointment of recent purchases : - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nurse With Wound : Salt Marie Celeste Stapleton's on auto pilot (again!) Really expected better things, especially after reading Jim Haynes' ecstatic review in The Wire. Though I should know better by now than to trust the reviews in The Wire. (This should doubtless generate some response from Robert L... :) Fergus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:04:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie/Ollie > Olivier Messaien : Visions de l'amen Surely one of Messiaen's finest works, perhaps only surpassed by his Quator Pour Le Fin Du Temps. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:16:28 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes > Agree (as I'm sure most UK - and Dutch? - listers who saw it would) that > Snub TV was the finest UK Music TV programme certainly from a music > content pov (OK, Top of the Pops has had its moments but its had 40 > years to do it instead of 3). I have fond memories of Rapido (late 80's), though this may have to do something with it's great presenter Antoine de Caunes. I believe he has become something of an actor now: http://www.mk2.com/aucoeurdumensonge/a_filmodecaunes.htm "Boobs, bums and willies have been the stock in trade of Antoine de Caunes, who strangely is the British idea of the archetypal Frenchman. Yet there's much more to him than his seeming Eurotrash preoccupation with lavatorial humour would suggest." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:19:51 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies >> Iggy is substandard by himself. he had the latter stage Stooges >> cohorts James Williamson and Scott Thurston on the record and who probably >> composed most the music....he was probably more of a vehicle for their >> talent really. > I love Williamsons playing on Raw Power and I'm a big SY fan, but a vehicle > for their talent? SY? Perhaps you mean Thurston Moore instead of Scott Thurston? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:28:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]off topic: NWW/Wag Mag In a message dated 5/17/03 11:45:59 AM Central Daylight Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: > Nurse With Wound : Salt Marie Celeste > > Stapleton's on auto pilot (again!) Really expected better things, > especially after reading Jim Haynes' ecstatic review in The Wire. Though I > should know better by now than to trust the reviews in The Wire. (This > should doubtless generate some response from Robert L... :) > > Fergus > > a response about the new NWW or the reviews in Wire? .... I find that the new Nurse With Wound evokes the feeling of being on a lilting, lifeless, and sinking ship..which is exactly what Stapleton was going for....as for the Wire reviews, some (if not most) are pretentious and ridiculous....and i wonder if some of those folks even REALLY listen to the discs they are commenting on... Robert np - Dave Gahan "Paper Monsters" go ahead and snicker, but it's pretty decent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:06:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso.swf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:12:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]off topic: NWW/Wag Mag this subject header was supposed to read: NWW/Wire Mag.... but somehow ended up being "Wag Mag" oh well, somehow it works RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso Where do you find these things Bart? n.p Bay City Rollers (just kidding,really)Ari Bart van Damme wrote: Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:06:27 +0200 Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso.swf The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:28:46 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso > Where do you find these things Bart? My special connection on Lexington 125 uptown... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:33:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies > > I love Williamsons playing on Raw Power and I'm a big SY fan, but a vehicle > > for their talent? > > SY? Perhaps you mean Thurston Moore instead of Scott Thurston? > > Bart hahahahaha. I do!!! I was mid fit-of-pique when the name Thurston jumped out at me. I can offer no other explanation, guv! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:51:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig Biggies' smalls > hahahahaha. I do!!! I was mid fit-of-pique when the name > Thurston jumped out at me. I can offer no other explanation, guv! since you've no prior convictions we'll let you of the hook this time sonny ;-) bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:32:08 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Oor Drumm Buzz A long written piece in last week Dutch music paper Oor. 6 pages. There is not written much news. But maybe this, we already noticed probably. Wire strategie now is that Colin is doing the public interviews. Also Colin's kind of explanation of the different approaches between Graham and his own in those day. Maybe still this hasn't changed but the way they are working now together works very well, Colin tells. We are all four OK with this way of working. My last listenings Chris Watson (Hear and Now) Fantastic Fransico Lopez (Hear and Now)(also on De Avonden) http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/shows/deavondenspecials/index.shtml? 2785571+3689971+3689888 Calla on mixing it (thanks GR or BH) and a Sylvian/Fennesz song (a nice one also on the same programm) Lou Reed in Later (Cool Man) Phill Niblock: Touch Food Rafael Toral: Engine and SEND - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:24:00 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Funny Headlines >> THE YEAR'S BEST [ACTUAL] HEADLINES OF 2002 >> >> >> Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says >> >> Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers >> >> Iraqi Head Seeks Arms >> >> Is There a Ring of Debris around Uranus? >> >> Prostitutes Appeal to Pope >> >> Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over >> >> Teacher Strikes Idle Kids >> >> Miners Refuse to Work after Death >> >> Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant >> >> War Dims Hope for Peace >> >> If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last Awhile >> >> Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures >> >> Enfield (London) Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide >> >> Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges >> >> Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead >> >> Man Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge >> >> New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group >> >> Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft >> >> Kids Make Nutritious Snacks >> >> Chef Throws His Heart into Helping Feed Needy >> >> Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half >> >> Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors >> >> The Wake Forest University student paper was about to run the >> headline "Deacons to play without Peters," a star player who had been >> injured. A copy editor caught it in time. The headline as it actually >> ran read: "Deacons to play with Peters out." One can only imagine the >> game was sold out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:35:24 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] kikkomaso In message , Bart van Damme writes >http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso.swf Haven't seen this in ages. Was reminded of it when I bought some Kikkoman the other day. Thanks! :) - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:46:44 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blur to record new LP in Baghdad On Saturday, May 17, 2003, at 10:39 AM, White Derek wrote: >> I hope the Iraqis say "fuck off you patronising, desparate little >> twat..you're not Brian Eno no matter how much you wish you were". > > Amen to that. Still, if he goes there, there's probably lots of U/E > ordnance lying about.......... Send him a bouquet of Depleted Geraniums. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 02:47:50 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Iggy/Charlie on 17/5/03 5:45 pm, Fergus Kelly at lockupyourhats@yahoo.com wrote: > Charlie Manson on John > Moran's "Manson Family: An Opera", which I highly > recommend. > spooky . one of my customers bought this cheap for me yesterday. "thought I might like it" ! shit - the heart on my sleeve is clearly visible. indeed - highly recommended "charlie ? charlie ?" JEZ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 02:51:27 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT/de Caunes on 17/5/03 6:16 pm, Bart van Damme at bartvandamme@home.nl wrote: >> Agree (as I'm sure most UK - and Dutch? - listers who saw it would) that >> Snub TV was the finest UK Music TV programme certainly from a music >> content pov (OK, Top of the Pops has had its moments but its had 40 >> years to do it instead of 3). > > I have fond memories of Rapido (late 80's), though this may have to do > something with it's great presenter Antoine de Caunes. > > I believe he has become something of an actor now: > http://www.mk2.com/aucoeurdumensonge/a_filmodecaunes.htm > > "Boobs, bums and willies have been the stock in trade of Antoine de Caunes, > who strangely is the British idea of the archetypal Frenchman. Yet there's > much more to him than his seeming Eurotrash preoccupation with lavatorial > humour would suggest." M. DE CAUNE was/is a TV journalist of some repute - he hosts/hosted a french version of "Any Questions" - very bright dude. Jez/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 02:42:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT as i've noted before, u.s. viewers actually got a taste of the program from roughly '87-'89, courtesy of the usa network's weekend late-night "night flight" schedule. i fondly remember -- & still have on videotape somewhere -- my intitial exposures to the three johns' never & always, mekons' hole in the ground, swans' new mind, head of david's i'm bugged (live), big black's jordan minnesota (ditto), sonic youth's now i wanna be your dog (also ditto), chills' pink frost, pastels' crawl babies, pwei's makeover of love missile f111, sugarcubes' birthday, dragsters' i want to be an american (or something like that ... great song, though i've never come across anything else by them, alas), timelords' doctorin the tardis, renegade soundwave's kray twins, gary clail & tackhead's hard left, world domination enterprises' hotsi girl (title approximate), even wire's silk skin paws (i think ...) & something by, if memory serves, he said. first season's episodes over here were presented by a rough trade employ named, i think, brenda kelly. after that came ... peter something. jackson? dan >Agree (as I'm sure most UK - and Dutch? - listers who saw it would) that >Snub TV was the finest UK Music TV programme certainly from a music >content pov (OK, Top of the Pops has had its moments but its had 40 >years to do it instead of 3). > >Go4 were truly wonderful - Andy Gill's extraordinary guitar and Jon >King's bizarre dance style especially. What was interesting from this >perspective for me was how of their time they sounded (that early 80s >funk beat, like Spandau's Chant #1) but how they transcended it at the >same time through sheer power. They were my favourite live band at the >time and this reminded me why - they were always so muscular live, like >a post punk Zeppelin. > >Really enjoyed The Sound too, after hearing so much about them here. >They are a band I completely missed out on and I nearly did again - I >went to the loo to escape some abomination from the archives and >re-entered the room to find this impressive and - to me - anonymous >band. And typically Whispering Bob declined to say who it was >afterwards. So I'm glad I found out from here. > >Another the Keith (getting unfeasibly excited at the prospect of the >Zeppelin DVD due out later this month - I didn't even know I wanted it >until I read about it in Mojo) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Sent: 17 May 2003 10:09 >To: tim@kidsindestructible.com; keith.astbury10@virgin.net; >zak_blakk@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org; bartvandamme@home.nl >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > > >> >> By rights when the series ends (87 I think) they should repeat the >complete >> series of BBC2's Snub TV who were right on the button and got almost >> everything worth hearing from 87 to...1991??? >> From memory: Wire....yes thats WIRE on TV!, KLF, Cabaret Voltaire, The > >> Fall, >> ACR, Happy Mondays, Dinasour JR, Pixies, JAMC, Felt, Nirvana, My >Bloody >> Valentine, Spacemen 3, New Order, Butthole Surfers, The Sundays, Meat >Beat >> Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. >> >//////classic show. ain't gonna happen though. i see they're repeating >"i >love 1998" tonight......... > >> >> >> still, Not seen Gang of Four before, and I've only heard one track by >> 'em...which was the one they played. They were fabulous! > >/////they did it twice , plus the tube at least once. suspect that's yer >lot >though. a decent tube compilation would be good , it wasn't all frankie >and >the eurythmics. > >Best thing I've >> >> seen on telly for ages...well not since John Fashanu did 1000 sit-ups >for >> no >> reason whatsoever. > >////always struck me as a horrible bloke. god knows how he nearly won a >popularity contest? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 04:15:14 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT finally watched this last night. GO4 excellent.....but the fade , oh dear. mr borland was a bit of a fan of ian mccullough now , wasn't he :-) p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #144 *******************************