From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #143 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] send vinyl has arrived ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] Wire London date this summer ?? [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/OGWT [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] GO4/OGWT ["Magnetic North" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies ["Dave Somers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies ["Dave Somers" ] [idealcopy] Recent Listening [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Blur to record new LP in Baghdad ["Tim" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:14:23 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] send vinyl has arrived Arrived a few minutes ago. I'm three tracks in to the Send CD and it sounds fantastic. Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:16:01 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] send vinyl What I forgot to mention is that the vinyl has a sticker on it similar to the 1-2 Times U sleeve meaning that you can't play your vinyl without breaking the seal. Which is a bit of a pisser. But I suppose that's the point. Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wire London date this summer ?? The possibility of a Wire London date this summer was mentioned here a few days ago - where did anyone hear about this ? Nothing on any of the relevant sites... Fergus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] GO4/OGWT Christ weren't the Gang Of Four only f****ing brilliant on The Old Grey last night, Gawd bless 'em ! Quite enjoyed The Eurythmics too, I always thought the In The Garden LP had some good songs. Though I nearly fell off the chair when I saw Holger Czukay stroll up to the mike at the end to do a bit of French horn farting. Brilliant. I'd totally forgotten he did stuff with them. I've heard that he's quite unwell at the moment - anyone know any more about this ? Some really awful stuff on The Old Grey (hey, that could be a nickname for Robert..:) aswell - as usual - the zenith of which has to have been Altered Images. God help us. Or maybe God help them. Nothing is more cringe inducing than watching Clare Grogan prance about the stage singing about insects, for f***sake. Sounded like she kept saying "In-sex... in-sex..." Fergus np - Magazine : Real Life "Keep your silence to yourself, You will forget yourself" Magazine : Burst The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:49:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/OGWT > Christ weren't the Gang Of Four only f****ing brilliant on The Old Grey last > night, Gawd bless 'em ! bugger, i thought that was on tonight! bugger bugger bugger! bartwurstchen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:20:22 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GO4/OGWT Yes the GO4 were great, but they faded it out. This instead of Stanley Clark and Jack Bruce. p.s. I have no idea what these artists are doing in a programm about 1981. Funny also to see U2, Adam & Ants, Scars, Eurithmics.... Do not forget Adrian Borland and the Sound Have good memories of them on a free festival in Groningen, probably also aug 1981. They were quite popular then in Groningen, because of the No Nuke demonstrations. Anyway the Sound had played all their reportoire, after 4 or 5 encores. And Borland started Ian Curtis: Transmission. On the same festival the SCars were also playing very good > Christ weren't the Gang Of Four only f****ing brilliant on The Old > Grey last night, Gawd bless 'em ! > > Quite enjoyed The Eurythmics too, I always thought the In The Garden > LP had some good songs. Though I nearly fell off the chair when I > saw Holger Czukay stroll up to the mike at the end to do a bit of > French horn farting. Brilliant. I'd totally forgotten he did stuff > with them. I've heard that he's quite unwell at the moment - anyone > know any more about this ? > > Some really awful stuff on The Old Grey (hey, that could be a > nickname for Robert..:) aswell - as usual - the zenith of which has > to have been Altered Images. God help us. Or maybe God help them. > Nothing is more cringe inducing than watching Clare Grogan prance > about the stage singing about insects, for f***sake. Sounded like > she kept saying "In-sex... in-sex..." > > Fergus > > np - Magazine : Real Life > > "Keep your silence to yourself, > You will forget yourself" > > Magazine : Burst > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:44:02 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT >From: "Magnetic North" .... >Do not forget Adrian Borland and the Sound I missed the OGWT last night, forgot to set the vid: given the amount of irrelevant dross this series has used, that normally wouldn't be too much of a disaster, but missing a band I've long liked but never seen, either live or on TV, is a *real* pisser. :-( :-( And I'm having trouble finding their CD 'From the lion's mouth' , too........... Aw, crap! _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:54:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT Derek, >>And I'm having trouble finding their CD 'From the lion's mouth' , too...........<< Buy direct from the label. Most albums available for a tenner. http://www.renascent.co.uk/ And look, they're doing the Wild Swans too! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:54:11 +0000 From: "Dave Somers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies Nor do I...I don't think they would have been on the list if they hadn't been reactiviated in the last couple years. JUst another attempt to oversimplify and group disparate sensibilites under one clunky umbrella...all for the Cannon of punk. silly dave > >whilst we're talking proto-punks , in this months Record Collector there's >an MC5 piece. in the long list of bands they suggest as heavily influenced >by kramer & co , wire is the first one mentioned. again , not something i'd >really have agreed with that much. p _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:02:00 +0000 From: "Dave Somers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies > >> I'd submit his American Caesar album of 1993? as a worthy addition to >the > >> canon. > > >Zombie Birdhouse... dirty and fabulous! > >Lust for Life... of course. > >Bart Lust for Life is a great record, and prior to his greatest, New Values, so it still is consistent with the judgement that New Values was truly that last. Iggy is substandard by himself. he had the latter stage Stooges cohorts James Williamson and Scott Thurston on the record and who probably composed most the music....he was probably more of a vehicle for their talent really. dave _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:40:08 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Recent Listening Evan Parker and Alexander Schlippenbach (w/ an excellent drummer, whose name escapes me): Live at the Empty Bottle in Chicago. Inventive music w/out a safety net. Also: their reissues (under Schlippenbach's name) on Unheard Music. John Cage, Complete Violin Vol. 5 (Mode) Jerome Noetinger and Erikm, What a Wonderful World Phill Niblock, Touch Food ProjeKct One, Live at the Jazz Cafe Planning to listen to Send (esp. the 4 new tracks) when it comes. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:33:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > >Do not forget Adrian Borland and the Sound > > I missed the OGWT last night, forgot to set the vid: given the amount of > irrelevant dross this series has used, that normally wouldn't be too much of > a disaster, but missing a band I've long liked but never seen, either live > or on TV, is a *real* pisser. :-( :-( I missed it, too. Gutted. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:40:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies > Iggy is substandard by himself. he had the latter stage Stooges > cohorts James Williamson and Scott Thurston on the record and who probably > composed most the music....he was probably more of a vehicle for their > talent really. > dave I love Williamsons playing on Raw Power and I'm a big SY fan, but a vehicle for their talent? Come on! I know the last few Iggy LP's have been patchy but do singing and writing lyrics count for nothing, or are we saying that only guitarists have talent? Keith (who would rate Iggy's vocals in his all time top 10) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:51:10 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire London date this summer ?? I'm reliably informed the band felt there should be a Barbican antedote in London late summer. > The possibility of a Wire London date this summer was mentioned here a few days ago - where did anyone hear about this ? Nothing on any of the relevant sites... Fergus --------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:42:52 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions/Iggy On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:50 AM, Dave Somers wrote: >> Ann Arbor? Isn't this the hometown of Iggy Pop/ The Stooges? > I also think Iggy hasn't done anything since New Values. Iggy plays Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of Charlie Manson on John Moran's "Manson Family: An Opera", which I highly recommend. http://www.deccaclassics.com/archive/www.pointmusic.com/moran.htm > ..thuogh we townies still marvel at places like the train bridge that > Scott Ashton drove the oversized tour van under and gave a good dent. Is that the train bridge on Washington St. near First? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:23:12 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] beat us into submission? ". . . Wire. Bouncing up and down into the 21st century, the Duracell-battery-powered irritants are back to beat us into submission once more."--Sunday Times Well, I wouldn't say I am beaten into submission by new Wire. I would say that I am vibrated body and mind, energized, vibrated, even oscillated. Very happily expecting Send with vinyl package next week. I took advantage of the delay to add the new Swim~ release to my order. And I just read that I get a cute little badge too in appreciation of my turntablist patience. Very nice. Robert (another) ********************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:36:53 +0100 From: "Scott KELLOCK" Subject: [idealcopy] SEND Comments like " My copy of "Send" arrived in this morning's post - I'm currently ripping it to minidisc to listen to on the train down to the London gig. I really like the minimalist packaging - though the live CD is even more minimally decorated, coming as it does in a plain plastic slip-sleeve. No, I haven't listened to it yet. I only picked it up ten minutes ago." F**K me this is the Best Punk album for 20 odd f**king years and he's on about the packaging and decor. Recommended Reading. "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore Thanks Colin, Bruce, Graham and Robert for a wonderful Album. Please bring the show to Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 02:05:23 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT My heart goes out to all these crestfallen fellow IdealCopyists! I know how you feel. One Saturday night in 1987, I switched on Radio 1 and heard a really weird version of Sister Ray. I didn't know until the end it was my then absolute favourite band, New Order, and it was the very last track of a live 'In Concert' which I had missed! I was inconsolable until the CD came out several years later! But, as it happens, I taped the Whistle Test show (and last weeks PiL-featuring episdode), although I'm afraid it cuts off before the end of of the thrilling climax of Stanley Clarke's 20 minute bass-slapping jam. I may make Ideal Copies, in return for bribes. (Can only do VHS PAL, but can also capture as mpeg file if really good bribe is offered) I suspect this is as exciting as the show will get.(Can anyone correct me?) Whistle test seldom veered close to the cutting edge hence the rather desperate search for anything from 1981 that wasn't Rainbow or King Crimson (which presumably explains The Scars..who clearly had been raiding the bins outside Spandau Ballet's flat and stealing their discarded Nu Romantic threads) Around '85 Whistle Test went Andy Kershaw/Womad/30Something tastefulmid80styleeeee so expect lots of Susanne Vega, 'World Music', friggin' REM and anything signed to Kitchenware records in the coming weeks....at best you get The Smiths if you're lucky. By rights when the series ends (87 I think) they should repeat the complete series of BBC2's Snub TV who were right on the button and got almost everything worth hearing from 87 to...1991??? From memory: Wire....yes thats WIRE on TV!, KLF, Cabaret Voltaire, The Fall, ACR, Happy Mondays, Dinasour JR, Pixies, JAMC, Felt, Nirvana, My Bloody Valentine, Spacemen 3, New Order, Butthole Surfers, The Sundays, Meat Beat Manifesto, 808 State, Stone Roses and pretty much every everyone else. How much does this series need to be re-released on DVD? A darn sight more than fucking "Whistle Test" and "Later...with Jools Holland" which already are. still, Not seen Gang of Four before, and I've only heard one track by 'em...which was the one they played. They were fabulous! Best thing I've seen on telly for ages...well not since John Fashanu did 1000 sit-ups for no reason whatsoever. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Keith Astbury > Sent: 16 May 2003 23:34 > To: White Derek; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Sound /OGWT > > > > >Do not forget Adrian Borland and the Sound > > > > I missed the OGWT last night, forgot to set the vid: given the amount of > > irrelevant dross this series has used, that normally wouldn't > be too much > of > > a disaster, but missing a band I've long liked but never seen, > either live > > or on TV, is a *real* pisser. :-( :-( > > I missed it, too. > > Gutted. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 02:30:58 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Blur to record new LP in Baghdad http://www.nme.com/news/story.htm?ID=105058 I hope the Iraqis say "fuck off you patronising, desparate little twat..you're not Brian Eno no matter how much you wish you were". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:16:42 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 01:36:53AM +0100, Scott KELLOCK wrote: > Comments like > > " My copy of "Send" arrived in this morning's post - I'm currently ripping it > to minidisc to listen to on the train down to the London gig. I really like > the minimalist packaging - though the live CD is even more minimally > decorated, coming as it does in a plain plastic slip-sleeve. No, I haven't > listened to it yet. I only picked it up ten minutes ago." > > F**K me this is the Best Punk album for 20 odd f**king years and > he's on about the packaging and decor. If you're going to slag me off in public, reading what I said is advised. :) As I said, I was ripping it to MD to listen on the train down to the London gig. Allow me to provide a chronology. 1pm Andrew (that's me that is) leaves his room to go to the train station, in order to move himself (via public omnibus) to the local train station, where he intends to partake of further public transport on the nation's railway network (via both overground and underground lines) so as to arrive at the Barbican Hall, where a popular beat combo known as Wire are expected to perform. 1:05pm Andrew arrives in the post-room of his place of residence (an academic institution and hall of residence, hence the centralised post) and finds a Jiffy bag awaiting him, bearing the distinctive postal marks of the business known as PostEverything. Ripping said package open, Andrew discovers recorded media labelled "Send" and "Live at the Metro", which he has been very much awaiting. 1:10pm Andrew decides to return to his room, so as to render digital copies of the music unto a portable music-playing system, for his edification and delight on the way to the nation's capital city - this process having to be undertaken in somewhat of a hurry, as it means that Andrew will miss the train he was intending to take. Having consulted online timetables, he notes the feasibility of getting a train forty minutes later, and proceeds. This process takes somewhat over twenty minutes. 1:15pm Andrew decides to inform the collection of (mostly) highly intelligent knaves and rogues who collectively refer to themselves as the Ideal Copy Mailing List that copies of these much awaited recordings were under active distribution: being uninclined to send one-line terse messages, and clearly not being able to comment about a record which he is unable to listen to at that time (being as the disc containing said recording was currently spinning at eight times normal speed, in order to enable maximally rapid transfer of its contents to the preferred digital mobile format), he decides to post about the packaging of the records - all he can reasonably can post about not having being fortunate enough to be able to have *listened* to them by that point, and furthermore because the packaging of the "Send" recording had been a matter of some discussion between members of said Ideal Copy. 1:30pm: Andrew sprints out of the door and makes his way to London, listening to the "Send" album in the process. .... much elided.... 9:15pm: Step-aerobics? In pink? On a Barbican stage? What the.... - -fin- I'm not inclined to bullshit about records I haven't been able to hear yet, so I talked about what I could *at that point* talk about. However, given you've just flamed someone in public without even performing a basic check for context, evidently this type of behaviour puts me in a minority. Strangely enough, I thought people on IC would want to know that "Send" was in the post - and I thought, personally speaking, getting to London to see the band live was more important than staying where I was for a further hour and a half, listening to the CDs and missing my train in the process. Of course, if you'd been following the context of my messages to the list, you would have known this - maybe I should attach a copy of my life history up to that point, complete with educative historical and geopolitical context, with every post. Oh, and "Send" is (for my money) the best thing Wire have ever done, and as such one of the best records ever recorded. Screw this "punk" ghetto, it's just really good *music*. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #143 *******************************