From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #142 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Flag Unburnt ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... [Ari Britt ] Fwd: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news ["ian s jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] introductions ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news ["Tim ****" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:52:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... > .......record the Undertones on tonights Peel sessions??????????Ari The Undertones? What was it - a repeat of an old session? >(who's radio can't pick up the BBC in North Carolina).......... you should be able to pick it up on the net, Ari. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:42:59 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten http://www.rathergood.com/lightsabre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:50:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:42:59PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > http://www.rathergood.com/lightsabre It is, indeed, rather good; as are McLusky. (Their new single is not half bad either.) I find it funny that McLusky's first album, "My Pain and Sadness is More Sad and Painful than Yours", is actually much less polished, and in general much less Big and Rock and Shiny (etc) than their second album, "McLusky do Dallas"... ... which was recorded with that noted Big Shiny Rock producer/engineer, Steve Albini. :) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:27:01 +0100 From: Anthony Chapman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten In message <20030515125040.GC44116@colon.colondot.net>, Andrew Walkingshaw writes >It is, indeed, rather good; as are McLusky. (Their new single is not >half bad either.) Coincidentally, I'm off out on tour with them, starting Monday (doing sound). - -- Anthony Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:24:05 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions I'd submit his American Caesar album of 1993? as a worthy addition to the canon. sg I also think Iggy hasn't done anything since New Values... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:29:08 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered "I have a pretty sloppy CD version of Chrome's Alien Soundtracks. A couple of track titles have been changed (as if whoever was responsible couldn't remember the originals and took a best guess) and one track chopped off at the end by about half a second, a la making a tape for somebody and punching the pause button too early" Who issued that? I've a Touch 'N Go CD release of Half Machine Lip Moves/Alien Soundtracks that's been in print forever (at least the last 12 years). I know Dossier also did some Chrome reissues, combining them with some questionable Damon Edge solo releases. sg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:35:46 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... ari wrote".......record the Undertones on tonights Peel sessions??????????Ari(who's radio can't pick up the BBC in North Carolina)............. " Have you tried listening on the web? - all the BBC stations stream and archive their programs for a week sg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:28:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flag Unburnt > >>And so much for the flag burning concept (or at least my assumption of > what > it might represent - i.e. one last hurrah for Pink Flag at the Barbican, > and > then the drawing of a veil)<< > > You don't expect them to do what you expected, did you? > > Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:42:31 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news > And Colin Newman: Commercial Suicide > > /////a bummer for all those who've bought this second hand at silly > prices. oh my -- is this supposed to be a rare one? i am new to this Wire collecting thing, so bear with me -- but i foun the Enigma release on vinyl at Wax N Facts here in Atlanta for $5. i actually haven't listened to it yet. is this a good one? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:47:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news couldn't swear to it, but i think it's the earlier cd version that's hard to find. wonder if i passed over that vinyl during one of my recent visits to wax'n'facts (i'm exiled down in montgomery). picked up my own copy new at, i think, a mall store in north little rock back in '87 or whenever ... dan >> And Colin Newman: Commercial Suicide >> >> /////a bummer for all those who've bought this second hand at silly >> prices. > >oh my -- is this supposed to be a rare one? i am new to this Wire collecting thing, so bear with me -- but i foun the Enigma release on vinyl at Wax N Facts here in Atlanta for $5. i actually haven't listened to it yet. is this a good one? > >PJK > >please don't hate me because i can't type..... >--- >All the cool kids are doing it: >HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:38:12 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] Ed Special's new email address Trying out a new ISP. Ed Special's new email address is Ed Special it may be geared up only for local until later today, but what the heck... Thanks Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:16:22 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Graziano (Re: IB on sloppy Alien Soundtracks reissue) > Who issued that? I've a Touch 'N Go CD release of Half Machine Lip > Moves/Alien Soundtracks that's been in print forever (at least the last 12 > years). I know Dossier also did some Chrome reissues, combining them with some questionable Damon Edge solo releases. > sg > It's Dossier, doubled up with the truly grim Alien Soundtracks II. The Monitors has become Coming West, SS Cygni has become Dancing in the Shadows. Front cover has been colourised, which ain't too bad, though. Half Machine and Alien Soundtracks on one CD sounds like a good package. I might just try and track one down. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:22:33 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news - ----- Original Message ----- From: P J Kane Re Commercial Suicide > oh my -- is this supposed to be a rare one? i am new to this Wire collecting thing, so bear with me -- but i foun the Enigma release on vinyl at Wax N Facts here in Atlanta for $5. i actually haven't listened to it yet. is this a good one? > > PJK I think it's an extremely good record. As a new collector of Wire and related, it might come as something of a surprise to you though. It's unlike anything involving Newman before or since (with the possible exception of It Seems - which I've never heard - hopefully Crammed can reissue this one). Go get yer $5.00 worth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:56 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flag Unburnt - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > You don't expect them to do what you expected, did you? > > > > Mark ;-) I expected them to not do what I was expecting, and since I was expecting PF songs I expected that they'd not do them, which then lead me to expect...and so forth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:27:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news CS is not at all rare on vinyl i'm afraid but on ebay a cd goes for $30-40 typically. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... Stephen Graziano wrote:From: "Stephen Graziano" To: "Ari Britt" , Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:35:46 -0400 ari wrote".......record the Undertones on tonights Peel sessions??????????Ari(who's radio can't pick up the BBC in North Carolina)............. " Have you tried listening on the web? - all the BBC stations stream and archive their programs for a week sYes,I KNOW...but off air recordings are SO much more 'dynamic'...............Ari,(who saw them live about 20 years ago) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten should be 'rather silly .com' personally I'd rather suck pussy than cock any day of the week............... Bart van Damme wrote:Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:42:59 +0200 Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news http://www.rathergood.com/lightsabre The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:23:50 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news >Re Commercial Suicide > > oh my -- is this supposed to be a rare one? i am new to this Wire >collecting thing, so bear with me -- but i foun the Enigma release on vinyl >at Wax N Facts here in Atlanta for $5. i actually haven't listened to it >yet. is this a good one? > > > > PJK Ian B replies... >I think it's an extremely good record. As a new collector of Wire and >related, it might come as something of a surprise to you though. It's >unlike anything involving Newman before or since (with the possible >exception of It Seems - which I've never heard - hopefully Crammed can >reissue this one). Go get yer $5.00 worth agree with Ian B... 'Commercial Suicide' is one of the great Newman LP's IMO...and having played 'It Seems' last night, i'd describe it as the slightly inferior cousin of 'CS' but still well worth having...i think the last time i posted about 'IS' i said it had dated somewhat, and it still kind of sounds that way, but i enjoyed it a lot more this time, having not given it a spin for a while... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:35:50 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] atomic kitten Ari: > should be 'rather silly .com' personally I'd rather suck pussy than cock any > day of the week............... OK, I guess that's makes it officially spring ladies & gentlemen. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:50:27 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? >> I think its great! He's not just looped a bit of the track and stuck a >> Britney vocal on..He's gone to some lengths to use all the parts of Being >> Watched, including the feedback ending. >> I presume he's a fan. Respect due! >> >> >>>>> It's called I'm Watching 4 U. >>> > >where on the web can this gem be found - i'm salivating - maybe a live >collaboration is due? > http://www.dinbot.com/music/dinbot-watching4u.mp3 Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:52:31 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions uk copyists may fear or loathe this one, i'm not sure. my question is: who is this more fun for, us or the kiddies? http://www.boohbah.com/ cheers, paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:17:07 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: [idealcopy] Send Onion http://www.theonionavclub.com/reviews.php?review_type_id=2&issue_id=103#revi ew3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:21:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Graziano > I'd submit his American Caesar album of 1993? as a worthy addition to the > canon. > sg Hell. I'd go further than that! Blah Blah Blah and it's BIG 80's production - particularly the Ig-does-Sinatra tracks such as Shades and Hideaway. Instinct. Metal's not my genre, but there's some great stuff here. Neon Forest off the otherwise workmanlike Brick by Brick. Wild America off the aforementioned American Caesar LP is AWESOME! And there's been the odd great track since (Corruption, Mask, etc). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Metal........ Keith.A >Instinct. Metal's not my genre, but there's some great stuff here. Not mine either,though other than Led Zep (are they still considered metal?)my only real 'like' is Scraping Feotus off the Wheel "Nail"I can do any goddamn thing I want................Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:52:53 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news The new version of CS Cd is released 29th May on Crammed (cram109cd) complete with the rarish Interview 12" which i do personally like very much so that's a bonus, for me anyway! Tim >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:23:50 +0100 > >>Re Commercial Suicide >> > oh my -- is this supposed to be a rare one? i am new to this Wire >>collecting thing, so bear with me -- but i foun the Enigma release on >>vinyl >>at Wax N Facts here in Atlanta for $5. i actually haven't listened to it >>yet. is this a good one? >> > >> > PJK > >Ian B replies... >>I think it's an extremely good record. As a new collector of Wire and >>related, it might come as something of a surprise to you though. It's >>unlike anything involving Newman before or since (with the possible >>exception of It Seems - which I've never heard - hopefully Crammed can >>reissue this one). Go get yer $5.00 worth > >agree with Ian B... 'Commercial Suicide' is one of the great Newman LP's >IMO...and having played 'It Seems' last night, i'd describe it as the >slightly inferior cousin of 'CS' but still well worth having...i think the >last time i posted about 'IS' i said it had dated somewhat, and it still >kind of sounds that way, but i enjoyed it a lot more this time, having not >given it a spin for a while... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 2MB attachments (up to 100 percent more per e-mail). Go to http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/home&pgmarket=en-au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:45 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send Onion > http://www.theonionavclub.com/reviews.php?review_type_id=2&issue_id=103#revi > ew3 "the minimalist rockabilly raver "Comet" Nice one, can I quote it? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:07:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies >> I'd submit his American Caesar album of 1993? as a worthy addition to the >> canon. Zombie Birdhouse... dirty and fabulous! Lust for Life... of course. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:07:19 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ig's Biggies whilst we're talking proto-punks , in this months Record Collector there's an MC5 piece. in the long list of bands they suggest as heavily influenced by kramer & co , wire is the first one mentioned. again , not something i'd really have agreed with that much. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #142 *******************************