From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #141 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Ray of Gob / Queen of Kodack / Cuddly Vicious [Bart van D] [idealcopy] Bart quoted....... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] I wrote,you responded,c.d length etc so forth and so on....... [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] Ray of Gob / Queen of Kodack / Cuddly Vicious ["Tim" ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] introductions / Iggy and the Stooges / WIRE ["Dave S] RE: [idealcopy] Possible Live dates and other news ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! ["Phillip Blakeney" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered ["Ian B" ] VB: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered ["Jens" ] Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? [Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ray of Gob / Queen of Kodack / Cuddly Vicious >> check out "Ray of Gob" = Sex Pistols vs. Madonna. >> there also is a sert of links at the top of the page to other, similar >> sites. and look, bastardpop is listed there. silly me, must've missed it >> earlier... Terrific this "Ray of Gob"! The site mentions: > Produced by Red, a London based Design / Media company. > This video was thrust into the hands of Glen Matlock and > Paul Cook of the Sex Pistols who both gave it a massive thumbs > up. The video has now been forwarded to Madonna. Wonder what Madonna will do with HER thumbs. Anybody saw Rick Wakeman's version "Ray of Goblins" (I know, I know... what CAN you do? writing for Mr. Lamarr probably). On a similar subject I recently read at the TOTP2 site: > Sex Pistols photographer Dennis Morris, who saw a different side of Sid, > once said: "I always knew the violence part of it was not really Sid. > He was really quite a gentle person, who simply thought he had an image > to live up to." So, despite looking like a hells angel who'd just drunk > a skin full of radioactive waste, Mr Vicious was really a cuddly wuddly bear. Btw, I asked that Dinbot-fella (from the Wire/Britney mix) what tools he uses. Dinbot: > I use Ableton Live. Most people use Acid, but I'm on a Mac and Acid > isn't available for Macs. Ableton is great and is both PC and Mac. I > also use an audio editor (Spark) to chop loops and clean up stuff > before plugging it into Ableton. Anyone have these? Seem nice toys. Gonna get me some xtra RAM first and then -> Silk Skin Comet? Queen of Kodack? Nice Streets a Buzz? Bart Need a litle more lenghth? http://www.dazeofourlives.com/010109.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 02:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Bart quoted....... Sex Pistols photographer Dennis Morris, who saw a different side of Sid, > once said: "I always knew the violence part of it was not really Sid. > He was really quite a gentle person, who simply thought he had an image > to live up to." So, despite looking like a hells angel who'd just drunk > a skin full of radioactive waste, Mr Vicious was really a cuddly wuddly bear ........................................ This is absolutely not true,when I met Johnny back in ''78/'79 he was actually afraid of Sid and wouldn't let him into his appartment and,although I only socialised with J.L for a few months there was never any sign that he had changed his mind.............Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] I wrote,you responded,c.d length etc so forth and so on....... ........someone wrote: 'I think shorter albums are better because the editing is tighter.......... someone else suggested that 'reissues with extra trax spoil the feel of the original'.. Does that mean that Lord of the rings should only have been 2 hours long?is the 'extended version'(with extra scenes) not as good as the original?MY whole point is longer doesn't HAVE to mean lesser quality,especially with groups like Wire who (I'm thinking) wouldn't release what they considered to be a 'Duff' track anyway........ The whole 'fade- out- boys- because- we- don'-t have -enough- room -on -the -L.P- to- fit- it- all -in'discussion surely proves my point....yes? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:31:21 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: vic godard Apologies for the blatant plug but any listers wanting to see Vic and Subway Sect play in Leicester on May 24 do email me for further details or have a look at the website: http://www.surf.to/ambition Regards John >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Subject: [idealcopy] OT: vic godard >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:40:52 -0500 > >from motionrecords.com. if anyone was equivocating over picking up an >available copy of 20 odd years, i'd say go ahead & pull the trigger -- > > >>The good news is that Vic has more gigs lined up but the bad news is >that >we >had a minor disaster at Motion when the manufacturer of our 20 Odd Years >release went bust - which has meant we no longer have the capabilities to >make more copies. We may plan a different 'Best Of' or we may wait and see >what happens to our attempts to locate the 'lost' punk album. The trail is >warming up (slightly) so you never know. >Sales of 'Sansend' have been disappointing especially considering the >excellent reviews. Virtually NO radio play hasn't helped the cause. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:41:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] cuddly wuddly Sid >> Sex Pistols photographer Dennis Morris, who saw a different side of Sid, > This is absolutely not true,when I met Johnny back in ''78/'79 he was actually > afraid of Sid and wouldn't let him into his appartment and,although I only > socialised with J.L for a few months there was never any sign that he had > changed his mind.............Ari Dennis Morris' nick is Johnny/J.L.? Or you mean John Lydon? In which case such views can depend on the beholder. E.g. maybe Mr. Morris felt safe behind his camera? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:48:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.........CD's vs. the sie 1/side 2 dynamic << I don't know whether it was based on a US version or something, but it had Sulk era b-sides replacing some of the tracks. Not good. >> Correct - it was a US edit (rather like the first Clash album). Of course the only CD version of the Associates' Affectionate Punch is the awful re-recorded version. The original has never been out on CD.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:58:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I wrote,you responded,c.d length etc so forth and so on....... > The whole 'fade- out- boys- because- we- don'-t have -enough- room -on -the -L.P- to- fit- it- all -in'discussion surely proves my point....yes? NO!!! We prefer the original Marquee Moon, Ari! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:02:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] cuddly wuddly Sid > >> Sex Pistols photographer Dennis Morris, who saw a different side of Sid, > > > This is absolutely not true,when I met Johnny back in ''78/'79 he was actually > > afraid of Sid and wouldn't let him into his appartment and,although I only > > socialised with J.L for a few months there was never any sign that he had > > changed his mind.............Ari > > Dennis Morris' nick is Johnny/J.L.? Or you mean John Lydon? In which case > such views can depend on the beholder. E.g. maybe Mr. Morris felt safe > behind his camera? > > Bart I've heard Johnny talk about Sid many times on various shows. He always says that Sid was a good bloke until the Pistols / smack and he started believing his own image. It was this later version he didn't like (and felt responsible for creating?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:13:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.........CD's vs. the sie 1/side 2 dynamic << Damn, that's *so* annoying! I quite agree that the way it sounds like they're about to start playing the whole thing through again is an integral part of the track, and to my knowledge, a fairly unique way to end a track. >> Off the top of my head, two direct and very deliberate homages to it are The Weather Prophets version of Why does the rain? (off Mayflower) and Felt's Down an August Path (off Me & a monkey on the moon). I'm sure there are others. >>Equally as bad as rejigged endings, is the occasional tendency to add 21st century digital FX to work recorded in the 70's.... I'm quite sure there are others that people could name.?<< The crappy 'substance' remix of Love will tear us apart with acoustic guitar all over it. The 'Never before' version of the Byrds' Lady Friend with thwacking overdubbed drums (doubly annoying as the mix was nicely cleaned up apart from that...) There are more..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:23:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.........CD's vs. the sie 1/side 2 dyn amic << but now i am curious to hear the difference. can someone describe the EXACT difference? >> Song restarts. Fade begins at "...how the darkness doubled" and is complete by "I was listening, listening...." Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:35:51 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ray of Gob / Queen of Kodack / Cuddly Vicious On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:22:26AM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > I use Ableton Live. Most people use Acid, but I'm on a Mac and Acid > > isn't available for Macs. Ableton is great and is both PC and Mac. I > > also use an audio editor (Spark) to chop loops and clean up stuff > > before plugging it into Ableton. > > Anyone have these? Seem nice toys. Gonna get me some xtra RAM first > and then -> Silk Skin Comet? Queen of Kodack? Nice Streets a Buzz? I have a very old version of Acid for the PC; Great fun. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:38:15 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] introductions > > My names Dave Somers Welcome > > > favorite record is probably still Chairs Missing... > > CM? Same here. (Keiiith! Another one!) > YEAH!!! (I think Alistair is another) Yup! that's right Keith... Btw the set list in Paris was the same as on the Metro Chicago cd (I think) + strange & 106 beats that - 1st encore + a very drill-y pink flag - 2nd encore Colin was xtremely bouncy onstage I have a few spare poster thingy's of the 2 day festival (kill yr idols) so off-list please 1st come first fast etc later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Vinyl releases could be added with fantastic booklets. Photography. Picture Disc. etc. b.e. Lonely is an eye-sore (4AD), Test Dept Faces of Freedom Some Bizarre), or Savage Pepublic Tragic Figures (Sordide Sentimental). Cheaper for consumers. Have no idea if the artist gets more/less money out of a vinyl or ceedee. But quality of sound. It's not bad to hear Eno's on Land with Camp-fire, or Dome 3 with Camp-fire or Wim Mertens with Camp-fire or...when you are used to it. Cassette: Maybe it's good to add the format music cassette to it. This has a side 1 / side 2. It is the less vulnerable formats of all. But small, quality not so good over the years. DVD What do you think of this idea made by Farmers Manual (An Austrian Collective) making Noise collages. They Brought out a DeeVeeDee with all their live recordings on it. The DVD has links to sites somewhere on the www. Now you can choose out of music with a total length of 3 or 4 Days. It's all in the ARt of Stopping? - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:00:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I wrote,you responded,c.d length etc so forth and so on....... << ........someone wrote: 'I think shorter albums are better because the editing is tighter..........<< No-one made such a sweeping generalisation as that. >> someone else suggested that 'reissues with extra trax spoil the feel of the original'..<< See above. >> Does that mean that Lord of the rings should only have been 2 hours long?is the 'extended version'(with extra scenes) not as good as the original?<< 2 hours is 120 minutes too long for me! >>MY whole point is longer doesn't HAVE to mean lesser quality, especially with groups like Wire who (I'm thinking) wouldn't release what they considered to be a 'Duff' track anyway........<< But they CHOSE to make Send 42 minutes long, not 70. Their album, their call. >> The whole 'fade- out- boys- because- we- don'-t have -enough- room -on - -the -L.P- to- fit- it- all -in'discussion surely proves my point....yes? >> Not at all. The Television incident proves the opposite - by 'having' to fade out a track, they created a moment of pure genius. The non-faded version is wank by comparison. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:08:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions << as on the Metro Chicago cd (I think) + strange & 106 beats that - 1st encore + a very drill-y pink flag - 2nd encore<< I wondered which of the PF songs might get a C21 remake - Strange was definitely one that would fit (and be reclaimed from bouncy REM-dom). 106BT is interesting. Thought they might remake Three Girl Rhumba (similar reclamation reasons) Mark I have a few spare poster thingy's of the 2 day festival (kill yr idols) so off-list please 1st come first fast etc >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:36:32 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:08:02AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > I wondered which of the PF songs might get a C21 remake - Strange was > definitely one that would fit (and be reclaimed from bouncy REM-dom). 106BT > is interesting. Thought they might remake Three Girl Rhumba (similar > reclamation reasons) I'm hoping for a 12 Times You-style release of the C21 Pink Flag. It sounded majestic at the Barbican. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:38:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.........CD's vs. the sie 1/side 2 dynamic In a message dated 5/14/03 5:50:10 AM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Of course the only CD version of the Associates' Affectionate Punch is the > awful re-recorded version. The original has never been out on CD.... > > Mark > which is a shame and a crime against humanity! the original is soooooo much better than the remix... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered This represents a truly heinous disregard for the original flow of the album, and the intentions of the artiste(s). Does anyone know any other re-releases similarly messed about with? ///// Yeah, Eno's Music For Films had some tracks in different places, which was quite annoying for someone who'd been used to listening to the album for years, especially an album like this, which, being potential soundtrack music, has a pretty strong narrative thread... Sudden arbitrary fade outs are f***ing annoying too. Happens on a couple of Eyeless In Gaza CDs (Caught In Flux and Drumming The Beating Heart), and on favourite tracks ! Grrr !! Definitely does not sound like EIG remixing themselves somewhat, just some lazy f***er doing the mastering (but surely this is actually giving themselves more work ?) Ferrrrgus np - Camberwell Now : The Ghost Trade "Remember watching the royal wedding together, When we asked each other 'what's it all for ?' What's the point, when it's so so safe and soft, Double locked and a well scrubbed floor" Camberwell Now : Sitcom The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:54 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Ray of Gob / Queen of Kodack / Cuddly Vicious Bart/Andrew: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:22:26AM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > > I use Ableton Live. Most people use Acid, but I'm on a Mac and Acid > > > isn't available for Macs. Ableton is great and is both PC and Mac. I > > > also use an audio editor (Spark) to chop loops and clean up stuff > > > before plugging it into Ableton. > > > > Anyone have these? I've got Ableton Live. Its a stunning piece of software. Not for everyone maybe but suits the way I work (i.e get an idea down as quickly as possible before i get bored!) Does pretty much the same job as Acid (except no midi and only plays wav files) but its much much faster, and more suited to Live work (hence the name) because you just throw samples in and it starts looping straight away. You can also record in realtime all your effect changes, mixer settings, turning loops on and off and then tidy this up later. Great user interface, superb effects that you can overdrive to Kevin Sheilds levels. I tend to create loops and samples with Fruityloops or Reason, and then throw them in here for a final mix. (it supports Rewire you can use Reason or Rebirth as a slave for Live as well) I use Steinberg Wavelab for sound editing, not seen Spark but Wavelab is a doddle to use. Sound like a right gearhead don't i? Seem nice toys. Gonna get me some xtra RAM first > > and then -> Silk Skin Comet? Queen of Kodack? Nice Streets a Buzz? Yeah it would be perfect for that! Share the results with us if you do! I've often toyed with the idea of "remixing" some Wire stuff. Certainly Send would lend itself to some hacking around. Would be fun to bastardise 80s and current Wire.......hmmm Anyone else done any Wire cut-ups? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:03:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Possible Live dates and other news > This is what I found about new live dates later then June. > > WIRE > > Wire will be back end of August to perform @ PukkelPop Festival, possible > Lowland and Bizzare. A possible London date in the summer has been mooted. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:23:51 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Possible Live dates and other news >From: "Keith Astbury" > > This is what I found about new live dates later then June. > > > > WIRE > > > > Wire will be back end of August to perform @ PukkelPop Festival, >possible > > Lowland and Bizzare. > >A possible London date in the summer has been mooted. Best news I've had all week. Guess the IC massive will be in full effect again? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:38:00 +0000 From: "White Derek" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.CD's vs. the 1/ 2 dynamic+REJIGGED MIXES >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Off the top of my head, two direct and very deliberate homages to it are >The >Weather Prophets version of Why does the rain? Ah the Weather Prophets.......a great, somewhat neglected band. I remember loving 'Almost Prayed', but I'm blowed if I can remember enough to even hum it..... Senility creeping in, I fear. Great live band. The 'Never before' version of the Byrds' Lady Friend with >thwacking overdubbed drums (doubly annoying as the mix was nicely cleaned >up >apart from that...) Not sure I'm familiar with this, but the '24-bit remastered' reissues of 'Fifth Dimension', 'Younger than yesterday' and 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers' sound fine to me........ > >There are more..... Do tell, as & when they come to mind! _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:50:46 +0000 From: "Dave Somers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introductions >Ann Arbor? Isn't this the hometown of Iggy Pop/ The Stooges? Yes this is true. Though it hardly makes a difference here considering this is the last place on earth he would ever be sighted. THe only thing that we get out of it is a bunch of over-the-hill guys who look like theyre in the MIchigan Militia who show up to the occasional rehash of Ron Ashton playing an extended 15 minute guitar solo to "I wanna be your Dog". I also think Iggy hasn't done anything since New Values...thuogh we townies still marvel at places like the train bridge that Scott Ashton drove the oversized tour van under and gave a good dent. Do you think Wire ever cared for them much? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:44:58 +0000 From: "Dave Somers" Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] introductions / Iggy and the Stooges / WIRE >>>Ann Arbor? Isn't this the hometown of Iggy Pop/ The Stooges? >> >>Yes this is true. Though it hardly makes a difference here considering >>this is the last place on earth he would ever be sighted. THe only thing >>that we get out of it is a bunch of over-the-hill guys who look like >>theyre in the MIchigan Militia who show up to the occasional rehash of Ron >>Ashton playing an extended 15 minute guitar solo to "I wanna be your Dog". > >Sounds like hell TO me: even though I'm a guitarist, any noodling over a >verse, or at the most two verses is 'verboten', and anything over a minute >would see me looking for the exit, in most cases. > >>I also think Iggy hasn't done anything since New Values... > >Yeah, you're probably right there. > >>Do you think Wire ever cared for them much? >Don't know about that. I remember that pretty much all of the bands that >formed around that era would name-check the Stooges as an influence when >interveiwed, probably for their appreciation of noise, and their rough and >ready approach to shows, recording etc. How many of these actually LIKED >them, as opposed to trying to get some credibility via them is a moot >point. > >I actually don't *think* there's any evidence in Wire's output that >suggests they were Iggy/Stooges fans, but I may be wrong. I've just never >seen anything in Wire's music that suggests they were in love with the >decadent lowlife groove that the Stooges inhabited. Even their noisier >stuff is more controlled, and clinical. Precise. As opposed to chaotic and >a bit ramshackle. And as for the image, there's No OD's , commital or >gargantuan chemical abuse in their collective closets that I know >of..................... > > See Ya , Derek White, Barrow-in-Furness, UK _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:23:19 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Possible Live dates and other news - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 14 May 2003 16:03 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Possible Live dates and other news > This is what I found about new live dates later then June. > > WIRE > > Wire will be back end of August to perform @ PukkelPop Festival, possible > Lowland and Bizzare. A possible London date in the summer has been mooted. - ---------------- Well, it will doubtless be when I'm on holiday. Another the Keith (still muttering about the facts that I was on a ferry to Denmark at the time of last year's ICA gig and will be missing Peej in Cornwall this year. If any of the boys want to know when I'm away so they can book something up just get in touch) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Keith wrote... I've heard Johnny talk about Sid many times on various shows. He always says that Sid was a good bloke until the Pistols / smack and he started believing his own image. It was this later version he didn't like (and felt responsible for creating?) .......................... good point Keith,when I knew (young) Johnny he was 'somewhat' sensitive about the issue............ The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:04:58 +1000 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! This talk of the virtues of vinyl vs CD reminds me of our very own lads' "The First Letter". Someone here a while ago said they thought 'Naked Whooping And Such Like' was the best track on that album. I could NEVER understand this as it seemed to me to be not much of anything. Turns out the vinyl version (all I had at the time) is edited to finish immediately after the line in the rant "...peeled eyes were the order of the day, sun dodgers prepared to turn the black spotlight ON". The vinyl then turns the song OFF. I eventually got the CD as well and now can hear the rest of the song in all its glory. Still think "Ticking Mouth" is the best though, in fact one of Wire's 10 best. Phillip from Australia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. 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Sign up now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:18:32 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flag Unburnt - ----- Original Message ----- From: > I wondered which of the PF songs might get a C21 remake - Strange was > definitely one that would fit (and be reclaimed from bouncy REM-dom). 106BT > is interesting. Thought they might remake Three Girl Rhumba (similar > reclamation reasons) > Mark And so much for the flag burning concept (or at least my assumption of what it might represent - i.e. one last hurrah for Pink Flag at the Barbican, and then the drawing of a veil) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:22:49 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered Does anyone know any other > re-releases similarly messed about with? I have a pretty sloppy CD version of Chrome's Alien Soundtracks. A couple of track titles have been changed (as if whoever was responsible couldn't remember the originals and took a best guess) and one track chopped off at the end by about half a second, a la making a tape for somebody and punching the pause button too early ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:33:27 +0200 From: "Jens" Subject: VB: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered > Does anyone know any other > > re-releases similarly messed about with? > > I have a pretty sloppy CD version of Chrome's Alien Soundtracks. A couple > of track titles have been changed (as if whoever was responsible couldn't > remember the originals and took a best guess) and one track chopped off at > the end by about half a second, a la making a tape for somebody and punching > the pause button too early > > hehe...I bet they were counting on getting away with that, who could tell one weird chrome-break/end/whatever from another? - Jens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:58:36 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more Crammed news In a message dated 5/13/03 11:34:58 PM GMT Daylight Time, magnetic_north@www.neubauten.org writes: > And Colin Newman: Commercial Suicide > > /////a bummer for all those who've bought this second hand at silly prices. > contains the 2 versions of "interview" as well , i see........p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:17:04 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Blakeney > This talk of the virtues of vinyl vs CD reminds me of our very own lads' > "The First Letter". Someone here a while ago said they thought 'Naked > Whooping And Such Like' was the best track on that album. I could NEVER > understand this as it seemed to me to be not much of anything. Turns out > the vinyl version (all I had at the time) is edited to finish immediately > after the line in the rant "...peeled eyes were the order of the day, > sun dodgers prepared to turn the black spotlight ON". The vinyl then > turns the song OFF. I never knew this! I bought this on cassette (only picked up the CD a few weeks back) which contains the music track after the 'reading' - same as the CD. I have to say, I think I'd prefer the vinyl version as the music that follows the words I find a little pedestrian and uninspired. Any other Wire CD/Vinyl variants such as this? I've often wondered if the excellent You Hung Your Lights/Craftsman's Touch from Manscape was as long on vinyl as on CD. There seems a natural beaking off point where I've always imagined it might finish on vinyl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:15:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] introductions / Iggy and the Stooges / WIRE > >I've just never > >seen anything in Wire's music that suggests they were in love with the > >decadent lowlife groove that the Stooges inhabited. Spent? A bit 21st Century Funhouse IMO. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:26:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reissues reordered > Does anyone know any other > > re-releases similarly messed about with? > > I have a pretty sloppy CD version of Chrome's Alien Soundtracks. You should have tried being a Bolan fan in the 80's. His EMI catalogue was taken over by the 'Fan Club', who - considering they were supposed to be Bolan fans themselves - treated it with a complete lack of respect. Including the fade out of Teenage Dream was one of their better moves. Their worst ones were (i) changing all the album sleeves to rather ordinary photo's of, say, Marc reclining in a seat and smiling that had nothing to do with the period in question, let alone the concept, and (ii) 'remixing' some of his tracks, which basically means they put a drum beat of the day underneath the track which has resulted in the 'new' versions dating considerably more than the originals. Tony Visconti reckons that the only reason he later agreed to remix Get It On was that he knew they'd do it anyway so at least he'd do a decent job. I know I didn't have to buy them, but..well, I did. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:18:03 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Mark wrote.........CD's vs. the sie 1/side 2 dyn amic Mag North... >Vinyl releases could be added with fantastic booklets. Photography. Picture >Disc. etc. b.e. Lonely is an eye-sore (4AD), Test Dept Faces of Freedom >Some >Bizarre), or Savage Pepublic Tragic Figures (Sordide Sentimental). the booklet that came with the vinyl of The Pixies 'Doolittle' comes to mind also... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Did ANYONE..... .......record the Undertones on tonights Peel sessions??????????Ari(who's radio can't pick up the BBC in North Carolina).......... The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:46:24 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? >>It's called I'm Watching 4 U. > Jeez, thnx Bryan! SUPERCOOOOOL sacrilege this!! > So who's responsible? Colin himself? ;-) Did anyone notice this comment on the dinbot website? "Very nice! You beat us to the punch on getting a Wire bootie out there. Wire" ---- Pinkflag ( http://www.pinkflag.com ) on May 14, 2003 10:37 AM If that posting is authentic - and it appears it is - it seems that Wire themselves enjoyed the track. (^_^) I would still like to hear a Wire remixed "bootie", though. (^_-) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 02:49:58 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? I think its great! He's not just looped a bit of the track and stuck a Britney vocal on..He's gone to some lengths to use all the parts of Being Watched, including the feedback ending. I presume he's a fan. Respect due! > >>It's called I'm Watching 4 U. > > > Jeez, thnx Bryan! SUPERCOOOOOL sacrilege this!! > > So who's responsible? Colin himself? ;-) > > Did anyone notice this comment on the dinbot website? > > "Very nice! You beat us to the punch on getting a Wire bootie out > there. Wire" > ---- Pinkflag ( http://www.pinkflag.com ) on May 14, 2003 10:37 AM > > If that posting is authentic - and it appears it is - it seems that > Wire themselves enjoyed the track. (^_^) > > I would still like to hear a Wire remixed "bootie", though. (^_-) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:44:26 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! In a message dated 5/14/03 5:05:29 PM, blakeneyhornsby@hotmail.com writes: >Still think "Ticking Mouth" is the >best though, in fact one of Wire's 10 best. absolutely brilliant song. have you listened to first letter through headphones? a very different experience for me when i heard it that way. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:46:20 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs CD - Back on topic! In a message dated 5/14/03 5:05:29 PM, blakeneyhornsby@hotmail.com writes: >Still think "Ticking Mouth" is the >best though, in fact one of Wire's 10 best. absolutely brilliant song. have you listened to first letter through headphones? a very different experience for me when i heard it that way. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:57:44 +0100 From: Jeremy Stevens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? on 15/5/03 2:49 am, Tim at tim@kidsindestructible.com wrote: > I think its great! He's not just looped a bit of the track and stuck a > Britney vocal on..He's gone to some lengths to use all the parts of Being > Watched, including the feedback ending. > I presume he's a fan. Respect due! > > > > > > >>>> It's called I'm Watching 4 U. >> where on the web can this gem be found - i'm salivating - maybe a live collaboration is due? Chapman brothers eat your hearts out. Jez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:32:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Doolittle booklet > the booklet that came with the vinyl of The Pixies 'Doolittle' comes to mind > also... Please tell me more about this one, Ian... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:36:17 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? > Did anyone notice this comment on the dinbot website? > > "Very nice! You beat us to the punch on getting a Wire bootie out > there. Wire" > ---- Pinkflag ( http://www.pinkflag.com ) on May 14, 2003 10:37 AM > > If that posting is authentic - and it appears it is - it seems that > Wire themselves enjoyed the track. (^_^) > > I would still like to hear a Wire remixed "bootie", though. (^_-) Looks genuine enough! Dinbot mailed me this: > And Wire actually left a comment on my site > saying they liked the tune. :-) Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #141 *******************************