From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #137 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, May 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] wire synchronicity #114 [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote pt. 1.2 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire [Bar] Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire [Mar] Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire [And] Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Re: Vinyl etc. [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire ["Gl] [idealcopy] Wire climbs charts upto 2 ["Magnetic North" ] [idealcopy] Dan wrote... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl bored A Cover for metro and Crapman Bros. [Steve Lo] Re: [idealcopy] Major Wire reference in Entertainment Weekly ["Keith Astb] [idealcopy] uzine: Wire Errata [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Vinyl vs. Cd [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... At the risk of sounding fogeysome, the side 1/2 element of an LP is one of the true joys of listening.The fact that there is an enforced break led to much better editing and track ordering IMO, and the time constrictions inherent in vinyl (50 mins max) vs CD (80 mins) made for tighter editing and track choice. There's something proper about 2 sides that is lost on a lot of CDs...........................................................................................Rubbish,you'd be the first to rush out and purchase 'previously unreleased trax' from albums of you fave artists.anyway this doesn't apply in the case of SEND,even the c.d is ony a miserable 40 minutes....personaly i feel cheated,sure I love the c.d,but they could have really treated us eh what.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:44:56 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] wire synchronicity #114 Well, was witness to the fact of another blistering bouncy performance from the boys in Paris last week... Now wading through 300+ emails but meanwhile My hotel room was #211... the address of Le Trabendo is 211 Rue Jean Jaures later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:33:22 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire synchronicity #114 > Now wading through 300+ emails but meanwhile > My hotel room was #211... > the address of Le Trabendo is > 211 Rue Jean Jaures ...and 211 + 211 + nr. of IC-ers = exactly 300 while 300 - 154 + 2X my age = (almost) 211... it's so hermetic it's spooky... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:53:54 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] Live Metro CDs in Australia Hi Another message from Colin: >The Live album is absolutely and totally NOT in distribution however we >cannot stop shops selling copies of send with the free CD that they bought >from PE at over inflated prices. The quantities are very small but it is >still galling for us that fans would think they are somehow being short >changed. We cannot control this. Regards John _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:15:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... In a message dated 5/11/03 7:00:30 PM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Though Neu!, arguably THE absolutely krautrockest krautrock band of all, are > > just guitars & drums..... > > Mark > are you absolutely sure about that? Robert np - Mum - Finally We Are No One ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:23:05 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire >> Where, for instance would The Cocteau Twins be without those >> densely layered Flange/Chorus/ADT/reverb/kitchen sink washes that Guthrie's >> SO fond of? There are others, but the CT are the first to spring to >> mind..... > I'm with White Derek here! I'm on my second Electric Mistress (oo err...) and > have at least three chorus pedals(!!) including two Electro Harmonix Memory > Man analogue delay/chorus things. EH pedals sound fantastic... the Electric > Mistress definitely has more 'flange' than the MXR (which I think was > favoured by John McGeogh). The EH chorus works a treat on the bass - it's > what Peter Hook used. > Was delighted to see Crispy Ambulance's Rob Davenport still using his > original 70s Mistress last year - such a unique sound. > > MXR wins hands down on distortion pedals though - the MXR Distortion+ has > sooo much more bite than the EH Big Muff (they did know how to pitch to the > 70s heavy rocker, didn't they!!) BIG Muff? My very first pedal! It looked and sounded like shit, but I loved it nonetheless. The "Pong" of all FX? >>>>> Btw, anyone know if Wire ever (ab)used the F.- or the C. word? Can't >> think >>> of songs in which they have... Boiling (bubble)Boy maybe?<< > > Map Ref is absolutely drenched in chorus, and was live too. Colin uses > chorus/flange on Not To. The bass on Lorries, for example, and the guitar > intro to the title track. Map Ref?? Chorus?? ......(BIG gulping sound here) Obviously I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I'll shut up and leave it to the real gearheads, cos I love all the above mentioned examples. Suppose it was just a lot of Cure (& clones) I didn't like. Neither have I been properly able to make use of the FX myself - I tried, but it all sounded horrible. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:46:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nathan (this is Vienna) > (Nathan - reference to Nathan Barley, star of TVGH's program "Chorus"[1], > quite blatantly modelled on one Mr D. Albarn) > > [1] Well, actually the *other* c-word. damn... another the chorus line... bet they do it just to tease me! ;-) b. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:57:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... >> Though Neu!, arguably THE absolutely krautrockest krautrock band of all, are > just guitars & drums.....<< are you absolutely sure about that?<< Dinger brought keyboards in on Neu! 75 - he was heading that direction (La Dusseldorf is all keyboards, no guitar). But all the instrumental work on Neu! (the first album) is all Rother's guitar, as far as I'm aware. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:04:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire << BIG Muff? My very first pedal! It looked and sounded like shit, but I loved it nonetheless. The "Pong" of all FX?<< Horrible mushy sound with no bite or control. Awful device. Don't think it was the first though. Those 'Tonebender' fuzz boxes date from the 60s. Great if you want a nice weedy 60s US garage rock sound, like the Count Five! >>>Map Ref?? Chorus?? ......(BIG gulping sound here)<< It could be an autowah. Its on the rhythm guitar part for sure. >>Obviously I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I'll shut up and leave it to the real gearheads, cos I love all the above mentioned examples. Suppose it was just a lot of Cure (& clones) I didn't like. << I loved the flanged sound Robert Smith used on 17 Seconds. That was the reason I bought an Electric Mistress in the first place! >>Neither have I been properly able to make use of the FX myself - I tried, but it all sounded horrible. >> I don't think I'm capable of playing without loads of FX!!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:14:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... << Rubbish,you'd be the first to rush out and purchase 'previously unreleased trax' from albums of you fave artists.<< A different issue. I've no problem with extra tracks o the end of reissues. I'm just referring to the process of compiling an album for vinyl - where attention has to be paid to the closing track on side 1, and the starting track on side 2, and so on. This provides a different listening experiance to a solid 60-minute haul through a CD. Now modern albums are compiled for CD primarily so the attention to track positioning is different. Often now you find the brake point for the vinyl version is arbitrary, and unwanted - the half-way point in the running time. >>anyway this doesn't apply in the case of SEND,even the c.d is ony a miserable 40 minutes....personaly i feel cheated,sure I love the c.d,but they could have really treated us eh what. >> Absolute rubbish. Why does a longer album equate to a better album? Send is the statement Wire wishes to make at this point. In what respect are they "cheating" you? If you want a longer version, you can always read & burn one! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:24:29 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 09:04:16AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > << BIG Muff? My very first pedal! It looked and sounded like shit, but I loved > it nonetheless. The "Pong" of all FX?<< > > Horrible mushy sound with no bite or control. Awful device. Don't think it > was the first though. Those 'Tonebender' fuzz boxes date from the 60s. Great > if you want a nice weedy 60s US garage rock sound, like the Count Five! This does bring a gearhead question to mind; obviously Wire these days are using Pod kit for their "new" guitar sounds, and I suspect most of us young'uns (guitarists who started playing in the late nineties at any rate) are using digital multi-fx/ampsim in preference to stompboxes. (Disclaimer: my rig is about as technological as you can get, really - Parker P38 Fly (complete with active pickups and in-bridge piezo) into Boss BluesMaster solid-state distortion and Boss ME-3030 digital multi-fx, into generic solid-state amp.) These have a markedly different tone under some circumstances, so; a) does anyone know what Wire were using at the Barbican for the PF set? (Not that I'd ever try and cop someone else's guitar sound, you understand. *ahem*.), and; b) Would any of the stompbox users on the list trade in their kit for digi FX if they were starting to play now? > >>>Map Ref?? Chorus?? ......(BIG gulping sound here)<< > > It could be an autowah. Its on the rhythm guitar part for sure. I could be imagining it, but isn't there a fair whack on Forty Versions too? (I think someone's already mentioned Practice Makes Perfect, though I think that was the bass...) > >>Obviously I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I'll shut up and > leave it to the real gearheads, cos I love all the above mentioned examples. > Suppose it was just a lot of Cure (& clones) I didn't like. << > > I loved the flanged sound Robert Smith used on 17 Seconds. That was the > reason I bought an Electric Mistress in the first place! Sadly enough, with my first effects (a hundred-quid Zoom 505), the first sound I dialed in was the octaved-up intro sound of Radiohead's "My Iron Lung". (I think I'm on record as saying that I taught myself to play by playing along to "The Bends" album...) > >>Neither have I been properly able to make use of the FX myself - I tried, > but it all > sounded horrible. >> > > I don't think I'm capable of playing without loads of FX!!!! > Nor me. My "standard" "clean" sound, last I checked, involved at least reverb, chorus and a short delay... but I still don't have enough effects to do a decent Kevin Shields. (Many distortion boxes and heavily gated delay/reverb, from what I heard, but that could well be wrong.) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:32:11 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 09:14:02AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Absolute rubbish. Why does a longer album equate to a better album? > Even as someone from the post-CD generation (I don't even own a turntable, let alone more than ten vinyl records - and the last of those was bought when I was about 12), I find that frequently the longer a record is, the more it's a sign of a band refusing to edit themselves or running out of ideas. (Classic case: REM's early albums versus "New Adventures in Hi-Fi", which would be drastically improved by cutting about four tracks and editing two minutes off half the stuff left. It's not a *bad* record, but it could be a hell of a lot better.) It's noticeable that a lot of my favourite recent albums (Ikara Colt's "Chat and Business" and McLusky's "McLusky Do Dallas" come to mind, never mind "Send"...) are short. This is a gross oversimplification, but it seems to be that the likes of godspeed! and Sigur Ros can get away with the bloated triple-album/double-CD gimmicks a lot better, purely because their music develops through a song at a much slower pace than a more typical guitar-band's does. It's actually quite hard to think of a "song-based" hour-long album which couldn't be improved by some tactical editing, actually. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:01:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from kill rock stars...... In a message dated 5/12/03 7:57:43 AM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: << >> Though Neu!, arguably THE absolutely krautrockest krautrock band of all, are > just guitars & drums.....<< are you absolutely sure about that?<< Dinger brought keyboards in on Neu! 75 - he was heading that direction (La Dusseldorf is all keyboards, no guitar). But all the instrumental work on Neu! (the first album) is all Rother's guitar, as far as I'm aware. Mark >> oh ok...because i was just listening to Neu 75 the other day and heard keyboards... phew! thought the golden anorak was about to be tarnished! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:17:32 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire >>> Neither have I been properly able to make use of the FX myself - I tried, >>> but it all sounded horrible. >> I don't think I'm capable of playing without loads of FX!!!! > Nor me. My "standard" "clean" sound, last I checked, involved at least reverb, > chorus and a short delay... but I still don't have enough effects to do a > decent Kevin Shields. (Many distortion boxes and heavily gated delay/reverb, > from what I heard, but that could well be wrong.) I was merely talking C's and F's here. I never play completely clean, There's allways some or a lot of distortion, compression, delay and/or reverb. I'm only just cutting down on (ab)using reverb. Love that J&MC surfsound! Quite busy lately exploring all the possibilities of the new POD (damn...it has lotsa F's & C's too!). I've just been having fun using the POD's tremolo on Crush with Eyeliner for the first time. FUN! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:09:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire > Quite busy lately exploring all the possibilities of the new POD > (damn...it has lotsa F's & C's too!). I've just been having fun using the > POD's tremolo on Crush with Eyeliner for the first time. FUN! > > Bart Christ. I haven't even picked my electric gtr up in years. It's just me and a 6-string acoustic these days, though I have started toying with the idea of getting some multiple effect thingie. Any recommendations at the lower end of the price range? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:16:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... > >>anyway this doesn't apply in the case of SEND,even the c.d is ony a > miserable 40 minutes....personaly i feel cheated,sure I love the c.d,but they > could have really treated us eh what. >> > > Absolute rubbish. Why does a longer album equate to a better album? > > Send is the statement Wire wishes to make at this point. In what respect are > they "cheating" you? > > If you want a longer version, you can always read & burn one! > > Mark Have to agree with Mark here. I thought vinyl albums were better paced, and cd's are just too bloody long in general. One album I've played loads this year is the Raveonettes which is a mere 20 odd minutes long, but I'm not sure I'd want much more of it. And I certainly wouldn't have played it as much if it'd been padded out with inferior stuff. Maybe it's because vinyl was traditionally around 20 mins each side, but 40 minutes (Send) - is just about the perfect length IMO.... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Mark wrote pt. 1.2 >>anyway this doesn't apply in the case of SEND,even the c.d is ony a miserable 40 minutes....personaly i feel cheated,sure I love the c.d,but they could have really treated us eh what. >> >Absolute rubbish. Why does a longer album equate to a better album? Send is the statement Wire wishes to make at this point. In what respect are they "cheating" you? If you want a longer version, you can always read & burn one!...............................................Maybe so,but I'd rather buy a 12 pack for the same price as a six pack anyday,and 'more' doesn't have to mean less 'quality' many of Wire's c.d's ar 70+ minutes..........Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:40:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote pt. 1.2 << Maybe so,but I'd rather buy a 12 pack for the same price as a six pack anyday,and 'more' doesn't have to mean less 'quality' many of Wire's c.d's ar 70+ minutes.......... >> Which ones? Manscape? In many ways the shorter vinyl version works better. It's only the reissues with extra tracks that are longer. That's just convenient and economic packaging, not replication of an artistic statement. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:05:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire Keith: > Any recommendations at the lower end of the price range? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2529248040&category=226 69 2nd hand POD for (now) 137 quid & 22 hours to go. B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:38:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire << This does bring a gearhead question to mind; obviously Wire these days are using Pod kit for their "new" guitar sounds, and I suspect most of us young'uns (guitarists who started playing in the late nineties at any rate) are using digital multi-fx/ampsim in preference to stompboxes. (Disclaimer: my rig is about as technological as you can get, really - Parker P38 Fly (complete with active pickups and in-bridge piezo) into Boss BluesMaster solid-state distortion and Boss ME-3030 digital multi-fx, into generic solid-state amp.)<< Whereas most of my gear was purchased 2nd hand in the 80s, when multi-fx boards were exepensive.... >> These have a markedly different tone under some circumstances, so; a) does anyone know what Wire were using at the Barbican for the PF set?<< Colin seems to use the Pod exclusively - no idea what Bruce uses, though I imagine it's similar. Graham has huge quantities of stomp boxes, some old, some newer ones with red LEDs. Never really got the Ian Allan book out though, if you know what I mean ;-) >>(Not that I'd ever try and cop someone else's guitar sound, you understand. *ahem*.), and;<< Yeah, right. Hasn't Nathan got a vacancy right now? * >>b) Would any of the stompbox users on the list trade in their kit for digi FX if they were starting to play now? << Given the prices, I'd almost certainly buy digital. Ebay POD rates are equivalent to a single EH box. But as I'm used to the cranky old rubbish I have, I'll not be trading it in. Might add a digital dimension to it though ;-) > >>>Map Ref?? Chorus?? ......(BIG gulping sound here)<< > > I could be imagining it, but isn't there a fair whack on Forty Versions too? (I think someone's already mentioned Practice Makes Perfect, though I think that was the bass...)<< Certainly something on 40V. The Mike Thorne factor should not be underestimated. > >> Sadly enough, with my first effects (a hundred-quid Zoom 505), the first sound I dialed in was the octaved-up intro sound of Radiohead's "My Iron Lung".<< Faux-12 string! >> (I think I'm on record as saying that I taught myself to play by playing along to "The Bends" album...) << Playing along to records is the only way to learn! > >>Nor me. My "standard" "clean" sound, last I checked, involved at least reverb, chorus and a short delay... but I still don't have enough effects to do a decent Kevin Shields. (Many distortion boxes and heavily gated delay/reverb, from what I heard, but that could well be wrong.)>> A lot of it is the reverb effect without the guitar signal, so you get a 'ghost' of what's being 'played'. Also about 5,000,000,000 overdubs. Shields proved 10 years ago that so much of the guitar's capability remains unexplored.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:46:28 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 12:38:38PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>(Not that I'd ever try and cop someone else's guitar sound, you understand> *ahem*.), and;<< > > Yeah, right. Hasn't Nathan got a vacancy right now? * > That's fighting talk. :) I do like Graham Coxon's tone (iirc, the Parklife-era very tight fuzz was Rat distortion into compressor into second Rat distortion, which is definitely an interesting way of going about matters, and I was *this* close to buying a Telecaster - the axe of choice of Coxon and Jonny Greenwood - when I bought myself the Parker), and I'm a great fan of his playing[1], but Blur right now are downright DULL. This is something I thought a band filled with that many people who appeared to loathe each other would never manage. Actually, thinking about it, Stephen Malkmus' career has taken a dive for the sewers with Pig Lib; there goes Damon following Pavement again. :) Now, if Graham Coxon's band needs a rhythm guitarist, we're talking... - - Andrew [1] "This is a Low" contains my favourite guitar solo. Really. - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ CUR1350, 1350 MW Cambridgeshire and online http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:49:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote.......... must agree with mark as well ... to employ analogies from other fields of creativity, are we being cheated when a novel clocks in at 200 pp rather than 1,000? should every short story be a long novel? should every novel be part of a trilogy? is citizen kane flawed because it isn't as long as fritz lang's metropolis? should every best-of be a box set? (well ...) etc. dan >> >>anyway this doesn't apply in the case of SEND,even the c.d is ony a >> miserable 40 minutes....personaly i feel cheated,sure I love the c.d,but >they >> could have really treated us eh what. >> >> >> Absolute rubbish. Why does a longer album equate to a better album? >> >> Send is the statement Wire wishes to make at this point. In what respect >are >> they "cheating" you? >> >> If you want a longer version, you can always read & burn one! >> >> Mark > >Have to agree with Mark here. I thought vinyl albums were better paced, and >cd's are just too bloody long in general. One album I've played loads this >year is the Raveonettes which is a mere 20 odd minutes long, but I'm not >sure I'd want much more of it. And I certainly wouldn't have played it as >much if it'd been padded out with inferior stuff. > >Maybe it's because vinyl was traditionally around 20 mins each side, but 40 >minutes (Send) - is just about the perfect length IMO.... > >Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:08:00 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl bored A Cover for metro and Crapman Bros. >>>they can usually afford > those absurd record players that cost 3 times as >> much as a CD player and require one to remove the turntable (usually made >> of plate glass) in order to move the belt onto a spindle to change the >> speed....<< > >A mere flick of a switch on my trusty 17-year old Dual 505! oh, fresh out of the carton, eh? my pioneer pl 516, bought right after my freshman year in college, turns 25 this month, as do my pioneer sa 7500 II amp & my klh speakers (probably they've got a number, too, but they're about the size of minibar fridges, so i'm not moving them to look). the turntable's been in the shop i think once, the amp never, & the speakers were re-coned in '89. in the meantime, i'm now on probably my 4th tapedeck & 2nd cd player. dan > >> >>I can't believe you're all getting so stressed about having to wait for >> Send! << > >No stress, enjoying the d/l MP3 version as I type ;-) > >>>You must be used to inconvenience, having to get up and change to > side 2 >> all the time<< > >At the risk of sounding fogeysome, the side 1/2 element of an LP is one of >the true joys of listening. The fact that there is an enforced break led to >much better editing and track ordering IMO, and the time constrictions >inherent in vinyl (50 mins max) vs CD (80 mins) made for tighter editing and >track choice. There's something proper about 2 sides that is lost on a lot of >CDs. > >>> and having to take your record player to bits every time you want to play >a 45rpm >> record.<< > >Agree about this - I guess those are really aimed at classical types who >never buy 45s. There's no shortage of record decks that have a switch.... > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:16:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote pt. 1.2 > It's only the reissues with extra tracks that are longer. That's just > convenient and economic packaging, not replication of an artistic statement. I'm not decided. What do you think was Wire's true artistic statement Mark, the R&B's or Send? Or are they just a bunch of (great) songs put together either way? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:57:28 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Vinyl etc. >From: "Tim" >Subject: [idealcopy] Vinyl bored A Cover for metro and Crapman Bros. >I think all of us do..those of us who aren't waiting for the Purists 78RPM >version anyway. Pretty sure it will be regular speed. >I think its hilarious that people require a record re-cutting on Vinyl which >was made mostly on Colins Apple Mac with Protools...they can usually afford >those absurd record players that cost 3 times as much as a CD player and >require one to remove the turntable (usually made of plate glass) in order >to move the belt onto a spindle to change the speed.... Somehow I doubt this rather silly rant describes anyone here. They made it, I bought it ... so stupid me, I kind of like vinyl. At 10 pounds it's not exactly a budget-breaker. >I can't believe you're all getting so stressed about having to wait for >Send! You must be used to inconvenience, having to get up and change to >side 2 all the time and having to take your record player to bits every time >you want to play a 45rpm record. Again, not describing anyone here. I think we've been very patient. I completely disagree w/ Colin/Pink Flag's decision to hold back the cds, but that's life. I also agree w/ Mark--the extra length and continuous flow of cds has done little/nothing to improve pop/rock releases. Before anyone assumes otherwise, no, I do not find vinyl more "pure", or whatever, and if I could only get one Send, I'd get the cd. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:11:48 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FX:Fear and loathing of Flanging & Choruzzzz re Wire > > SO fond of? There are others, but the CT are the first to spring to > > mind.....<< (Snip) > Mistress definitely has more 'flange' than the MXR (which I think was > favoured by John McGeogh). ...which brings us to Magazine. Adamson's bass? Hmm.. Sublime, IMO. > Map Ref is absolutely drenched in chorus 'nuff said. > Mind if I join you?;-) Seeya there. Glenn. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 03/05/06 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:39:59 -0800 From: "Magnetic North" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire climbs charts upto 2 Unbelievable. Last week Wire steps into the Murder charts on 11(Dutch charts compiled by journalists and radio-men) Very important for Dutch music criticasters. They are now at 2 http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/journalism/index.shtml? 2534202+2584688+2584508+11983155 Only the White Stripes are in front of them. Up to the Sun they go... Jan J - -------- Einstuerzende Neubauten (www.neubauten.org) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:51:03 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Britney Spears and Wire? Bryan > this is downloadable from www.dinbot.com > Britney Does Hardcore > Sorry folks, it's not porn, Nevermind. My daughter wants you to re-mix the whole album. Glenn. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 03/05/06 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Dan wrote... ......>A mere flick of a switch on my trusty 17-year old Dual 505! .................................... oh, fresh out of the carton, eh? my pioneer pl 516, bought right after my freshman year in college, turns 25 this month, as do my pioneer sa 7500 II amp & my klh speakers (probably they've got a number, too, but they're about the size of minibar fridges, so i'm not moving them to look). the turntable's been in the shop i think once, the amp never, & the speakers were re-coned in '89. in the meantime, i'm now on probably my 4th tapedeck & 2nd cd player.......................................................tape deck I can understand,'less it's a nakamichi (mines 15 yrs old) as for c.d players,again mine's a nakamichi and it's 13 years old,never gone wrong,it pays (as a general rule) to pay more,for in the long run you pay less.......if that makes any sense.the dual 505 was/is an exception to the rule,as is the revolver and that funny looking turntable that looked like a cake.I sold all my vynil 15 years ago,no regrets..............c.d's take up much less room,the other day i bought 50 cd-r's for 99 cents after mail-in-rebate,i suspect when the tape deck/cassettes wear out that wont be replaced either.Ari The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:11:32 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl bored A Cover for metro and Crapman Bros. >I think all of us do..those of us who aren't waiting for the Purists 78RPM >version anyway. > > I think its hilarious that people require a record re-cutting on Vinyl which > was made mostly on Colins Apple Mac with Protools...they can usually afford > those absurd record players that cost 3 times as much as a CD player and > require one to remove the turntable (usually made of plate glass) in order > to move the belt onto a spindle to change the speed.... > > I can't believe you're all getting so stressed about having to wait for > Send! You must be used to inconvenience, having to get up and change to > side 2 all the time and having to take your record player to bits every time > you want to play a 45rpm record. Not sure why you feel the need to attack the vinyl format. My understanding was that the vinyl version of Send is a different bunch of music. Different mixes, different tracklist. Not being a digital purist, I ordered it. I also ordered the CD, as I assume did others who are still waiting. Posteverything is holding them until the vinyl comes in. Meh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:26:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Major Wire reference in Entertainment Weekly Thanks Paul. >"It's not a folk group, you know." It's certainly not. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:54:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] uzine: Wire Errata Who's the cleverdick responsable? Well...? B. ============ THREE ERRATA In our all too hurriedly written review of Wire's new "Send" cd in [uzine 03.05], we not only forgot to mention that Wire was to play London's Barbican Hall on April 26th with the complete "Pink Flag" `nd "Send" albums on their set list, but also that mailorder customers of Posteverything.com who bought the first two volumes of "Read & Burn" will get a bonus album of live mixes from The Metro (Chicago, USA, 2002) with every copy of "Send" they order. We were also wrong in attributing "The agfers of Kodack" to "R&B2" instead of "R&B1"; the "Read & Burn" series, meanwhile, will continue later this year with a third volume that 'will mark a new direction', allegedly... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:10:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Vinyl vs. Cd Remeber when cds first came out and usually there was a lag between the vinyl version of an album with the cd to follow later? MM ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o } \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:40:17 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... Get a sneak preview if it is Poverty at http://www.homestead.com/thiefoffire/index~ns4.html Cheers John >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years Mix-Up... >Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:28:22 +0100 > >>>anyone want to guess what next weeks Gof4 track is going to be...??? this >>>is am REALLY looking forward to... >> >>If it's the one I've seen before, it's To Hell With Poverty >> >>-- >>Anthony Chapman > >i forget which ones they played for OGWT to be honest, i presume this was >'Solid Gold' period so was it 'Paralyzed' as well, maybe...??? i'm guessing >but anything off that LP is fine by me... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:07:44 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 Yes, but did they ever actually show the 1980 edition? If they did somehow I missed it. And nobody on the list commented on it being shown either. Please don't say I missed the PiL footage again. Cheers John >From: "ian s jackson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Whistle Test Years 1981 >Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:28:12 +0100 > >just in case anyone hasn't noticed... > >tonights show includes the Gang Of Four... > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:36:57 -0500 From: Steve Loubert Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vinyl bored A Cover for metro and Crapman Bros. >I think all of us do..those of us who aren't waiting for the Purists 78RPM >version anyway. > > I think its hilarious that people require a record re-cutting on Vinyl which > was made mostly on Colins Apple Mac with Protools...they can usually afford > those absurd record players that cost 3 times as much as a CD player and > require one to remove the turntable (usually made of plate glass) in order > to move the belt onto a spindle to change the speed.... > > I can't believe you're all getting so stressed about having to wait for > Send! You must be used to inconvenience, having to get up and change to > side 2 all the time and having to take your record player to bits every time > you want to play a 45rpm record. Not sure why you feel the need to attack the vinyl format. My understanding was that the vinyl version of Send is a different bunch of music. Different mixes, different tracklist. Not being a digital purist, I ordered it. I also ordered the CD, as I assume did others who are still waiting. Posteverything is holding them until the vinyl comes in. Meh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:24:46 +1000 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 'Send' in Oz but NOT my letterbox John said: > >Hmmmm. I thought the limited edition with live CD was exclusive to >mail order only??? > Maybe the shop ordered one by mail order?? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. 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